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From 1 to VR14 on Console, What's the issue?
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think that the time and effort that people spend grinding, whether it be NPC's for CP's; questing for leveling; practicing vet dungeons; or practicing PVP should have a direct impact on your abilities in comparison to the other people around you. Otherwise, what the hell is the point of me participating in these activities for hours on end? I don't play an MMO to be on the same level as everyone else around me.
I play an MMO so that I can put in a lot of hours and become a more powerful player. What is the point of going into the VR questing zones if they aren't the best ways to level up? If they weren't worth doing then I wouldn't spend my time grinding out all of the quests and skyshards. But oh goodness when I finish getting my skyshards, going through the quests and grinding out CP's I feel more powerful, as I should. Just because you're lazy or don't have time to put hours into grinding out your character doesn't mean that the system is broken. What it means is that the system works! I'm not here to be on the same level as all of you!! I'm here to become the hero of Tamriel and exterminate anyone who wants to take that title away from me.
If you think that it's too much work to max yourself out and go through the grind (which I find to be a very fun and entertaining grind) then you're just weak. You clearly aren't the hero of Tamriel since you're not committed enough to put in the time and effort that it takes to become a skilled adventurer. Have fun working the rest of your days in the Vulkhel Guard inn, peasant.
Logical...beware of the replies
(ZOS did this cause they didn't have any content to put out for over a year)
Or (it's not fair cause...XYZ reason)
And lastly (I don't want to play that way but the game says play the way you want)
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on August 7, 2015 3:46PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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GeneralFlogger✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »Oh yeah, and I'm not playing every other mmo, I'm tired of that argument. I bought eso, not star wars (that is p2w), that's why I'm posting this is an eso forum. So I want to game I'm playing to work to do what I think would be best for the majority of the community and the longevity of the game
Still doesn't change the fact that it is your choice not to complete content readily available to you that will solve most all of what you're trying to argue. I don't see how making 2/3rd of the game irrelevant is by any means better for the longevity of the game. It's just amazing to me how people feel so entitled to what others have without wanting to put the necessary work into actually achieving something.
Dude I love PvP, why would I go do something I don't enjoy just to get better at something I do enjoy doing. It's a game not a job, I should have to feel like I'm grinding on the way to endgame. Games that make me feel like that I don't play. Like New Vegas, loved fallout 3, new Vegas was a drag and felt like work, didn't beat it. Games should be fun and enjoyable, and an mmo should make the game enjoyable no matter how you want to play it. And I like PvP, just because you famed NPCs for way too many hours to let people know the exact time spent, doesn't mean I should. Sorry guy, I'm not going to intentionally burn myself out on a game I love playing. I don't need to feel like a god to enjoy myself, I don't need a video game to make me feel like a big man. I do it for fun
Again that's my point, you can pvp in most any game, you choose to play a game which you seem to dislike the majority of its content? Maybe find a game you can enjoy more than 25% of? Why should the game be changed for you?
Hahahahaha im not changing the 75% of the game, I'm not saying change anything about the game. I'm saying make a new campaign, a non-cp campaign, just like a non-vet campaign already exists. Any show me the game that has PvP like eso on X1. Show it to me and I'll check it out
No, you're not changing 75% of the game. I thought it was pretty clear that I said you DISLIKE 75% of the game which is obviously why you aren't progressing through to be able to compete in PvP hence your argument. If you really enjoyed the game that much you wouldn't be so bent out of shape about what is required to reach lvl cap. You say you love PvP but you hate the progression bc you don't gain enough xp. But then in your next post it doesn't matter because it's what you love to do and anyone who does reach level cap ONLY grinds npcs and needs the number to prove it? No, why I WANT the number is to pwn lazy people who sit around and whine and are too preoccupied with excuses to complete easy content.1 -
markt84✭✭✭I think that the time and effort that people spend grinding, whether it be NPC's for CP's; questing for leveling; practicing vet dungeons; or practicing PVP should have a direct impact on your abilities in comparison to the other people around you. Otherwise, what the hell is the point of me participating in these activities for hours on end? I don't play an MMO to be on the same level as everyone else around me.
I play an MMO so that I can put in a lot of hours and become a more powerful player. What is the point of going into the VR questing zones if they aren't the best ways to level up? If they weren't worth doing then I wouldn't spend my time grinding out all of the quests and skyshards. But oh goodness when I finish getting my skyshards, going through the quests and grinding out CP's I feel more powerful, as I should. Just because you're lazy or don't have time to put hours into grinding out your character doesn't mean that the system is broken. What it means is that the system works! I'm not here to be on the same level as all of you!! I'm here to become the hero of Tamriel and exterminate anyone who wants to take that title away from me.
If you think that it's too much work to max yourself out and go through the grind (which I find to be a very fun and entertaining grind) then you're just weak. You clearly aren't the hero of Tamriel since you're not committed enough to put in the time and effort that it takes to become a skilled adventurer. Have fun working the rest of your days in the Vulkhel Guard inn, peasant.
Thats cool, you NEED to feel like the big man in a video game, I don't. I enjoy being better than someone else, not having better buffs. I don't need inflated attributes so I can take on 10 dudes solo. I'm cool with taking on 2 if I win I win, if I don't I don't. You play mmos to feel important, I don't, my actual life does that for me. I play video games to have fun.0 -
Machiavelli✭✭✭Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.0
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GeneralFlogger✭✭✭@markt84 The hypocrisy in what you are saying is astounding. You are literally are telling me that what you enjoy most out of this game is being better than everyone and I'm the egotistical one? LolEdited by GeneralFlogger on August 7, 2015 4:05PM1
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markt84✭✭✭Machiavelli wrote: »Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.
Owning who? They system isn't new player friendly and your not catch up with cp grinders. No with no new blood and everyone is more powerful, who exactly donyounplan on owning?0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭I think that the time and effort that people spend grinding, whether it be NPC's for CP's; questing for leveling; practicing vet dungeons; or practicing PVP should have a direct impact on your abilities in comparison to the other people around you. Otherwise, what the hell is the point of me participating in these activities for hours on end? I don't play an MMO to be on the same level as everyone else around me.
I play an MMO so that I can put in a lot of hours and become a more powerful player. What is the point of going into the VR questing zones if they aren't the best ways to level up? If they weren't worth doing then I wouldn't spend my time grinding out all of the quests and skyshards. But oh goodness when I finish getting my skyshards, going through the quests and grinding out CP's I feel more powerful, as I should. Just because you're lazy or don't have time to put hours into grinding out your character doesn't mean that the system is broken. What it means is that the system works! I'm not here to be on the same level as all of you!! I'm here to become the hero of Tamriel and exterminate anyone who wants to take that title away from me.
If you think that it's too much work to max yourself out and go through the grind (which I find to be a very fun and entertaining grind) then you're just weak. You clearly aren't the hero of Tamriel since you're not committed enough to put in the time and effort that it takes to become a skilled adventurer. Have fun working the rest of your days in the Vulkhel Guard inn, peasant.
Well said sir0 -
psicorpb16_ESO✭✭✭umm the game is ESOTU , no amount of arguing is going to change the core , the development that's coming is pretty much already laid out, companies like these won't/can't change the underlying structure of the gameplay. It's just too much to expect.
Band aids can be added (xp pots) and I'm sure there are others in the pipeline to be drip fed to us. No amount of arguing on the forums or endless threads will amount to any significant change , it's just banging your head against a brick wall.
Vet lvls will or will not be replaced (the decision has already been made) CP gains might be slightly nerfed (but not by any significant amount)
There will be more ways to 'help progression' in the crown store
There will always be ppl that are better than you , whether down to skill, or as nearly as is always the case, down to the amount of Time invested.
(I'll just add that I'm quite impressed that ZOS have kept it mainly down to time invested and not amount of available credit cards....so far)2 -
markt84✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »@markt84 The hypocrisy in what you are saying is astounding. You are literally are telling me that what you enjoy most out of this game is being better than everyone and I'm the egotistical one? Lol
What?0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭Machiavelli wrote: »Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.
Owning who? They system isn't new player friendly and your not catch up with cp grinders. No with no new blood and everyone is more powerful, who exactly donyounplan on owning?
Probably people who want to sit around and complain vs continuing to advance their characeters? Just a guess.1 -
markt84✭✭✭psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »umm the game is ESOTU , no amount of arguing is going to change the core , the development that's coming is pretty much already laid out, companies like these won't/can't change the underlying structure of the gameplay. It's just too much to expect.
Band aids can be added (xp pots) and I'm sure there are others in the pipeline to be drip fed to us. No amount of arguing on the forums or endless threads will amount to any significant change , it's just banging your head against a brick wall.
Vet lvls will or will not be replaced (the decision has already been made) CP gains might be slightly nerfed (but not by any significant amount)
There will be more ways to 'help progression' in the crown store
There will always be ppl that are better than you , whether down to skill, or as nearly as is always the case, down to the amount of Time invested.
(I'll just add that I'm quite impressed that ZOS have kept it mainly down to time invested and not amount of available credit cards....so far)
I'm not saying make ANY significant changes. I'm saying turn some empty non-vet campaigns into non-cp campaigns. The games core is untouched completely.0 -
Machiavelli✭✭✭Machiavelli wrote: »Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.
Owning who? They system isn't new player friendly and your not catch up with cp grinders. No with no new blood and everyone is more powerful, who exactly donyounplan on owning?
Other people who started the grind after me. There are what 3600ish cp points possible? That's the cap. We have Xp potions, pledge rings, and get more xp in a duo. Grinding CP isn't hard.1 -
psicorpb16_ESO✭✭✭I just have to say one more thing.... Why do some ppl insist on being the Best? What's wrong with just having fun and being Good? Everyone can't be the best, the sooner some ppl realise this the better. At the end of the day it's about having fun.1
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markt84✭✭✭Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.
Owning who? They system isn't new player friendly and your not catch up with cp grinders. No with no new blood and everyone is more powerful, who exactly donyounplan on owning?
Other people who started the grind after me. There are what 3600ish cp points possible? That's the cap. We have Xp potions, pledge rings, and get more xp in a duo. Grinding CP isn't hard.
Hahahaha grinding isn't hard. Here is th definition of grinding since you have no idea what it actually means
grind·ing
ˈɡrīndiNG/
adjective
1.
(of a state) oppressive, tedious, and seemingly without end.
"grinding poverty"
2.
(of a sound or motion) harsh and grating.
"the group's grinding, ear-splitting guitar"0 -
psicorpb16_ESO✭✭✭psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »umm the game is ESOTU , no amount of arguing is going to change the core , the development that's coming is pretty much already laid out, companies like these won't/can't change the underlying structure of the gameplay. It's just too much to expect.
Band aids can be added (xp pots) and I'm sure there are others in the pipeline to be drip fed to us. No amount of arguing on the forums or endless threads will amount to any significant change , it's just banging your head against a brick wall.
Vet lvls will or will not be replaced (the decision has already been made) CP gains might be slightly nerfed (but not by any significant amount)
There will be more ways to 'help progression' in the crown store
There will always be ppl that are better than you , whether down to skill, or as nearly as is always the case, down to the amount of Time invested.
(I'll just add that I'm quite impressed that ZOS have kept it mainly down to time invested and not amount of available credit cards....so far)
I'm not saying make ANY significant changes. I'm saying turn some empty non-vet campaigns into non-cp campaigns. The games core is untouched completely.
My posts weren't aimed at you btw , nor anyone else specifically, they were just generic.
I actually agree with a lot you're saying
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GeneralFlogger✭✭✭psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »I just have to say one more thing.... Why do some ppl insist on being the Best? What's wrong with just having fun and being Good? Everyone can't be the best, the sooner some ppl realise this the better. At the end of the day it's about having fun.
It just seems like for some people, the glass will always be half empty. It's like they can't function rationally with the idea that someone out there might be a little better, a little more advanced or have a better piece of gear, etc, etc... Good luck finding any game where everything is equal 100% of the time. No one owes you anything and if you're not willing to adjust how you play to achieve certain goals you will be left behind in games like this.1 -
Machiavelli✭✭✭Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.
Owning who? They system isn't new player friendly and your not catch up with cp grinders. No with no new blood and everyone is more powerful, who exactly donyounplan on owning?
Other people who started the grind after me. There are what 3600ish cp points possible? That's the cap. We have Xp potions, pledge rings, and get more xp in a duo. Grinding CP isn't hard.
Hahahaha grinding isn't hard. Here is th definition of grinding since you have no idea what it actually means
grind·ing
ˈɡrīndiNG/
adjective
1.
(of a state) oppressive, tedious, and seemingly without end.
"grinding poverty"
2.
(of a sound or motion) harsh and grating.
"the group's grinding, ear-splitting guitar"
Well your comprehension is little off. None of that means it's hard. Things can be tedious, that doesn't mean they are hard. Continuing your education can seem to be without end, but that doesn't mean it's hard. Nice try though!1 -
markt84✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »I just have to say one more thing.... Why do some ppl insist on being the Best? What's wrong with just having fun and being Good? Everyone can't be the best, the sooner some ppl realise this the better. At the end of the day it's about having fun.
It just seems like for some people, the glass will always be half empty. It's like they can't function rationally with the idea that someone out there might be a little better, a little more advanced or have a better piece of gear, etc, etc... Good luck finding any game where everything is equal 100% of the time. No one owes you anything and if you're not willing to adjust how you play to achieve certain goals you will be left behind in games like this.
Hahaha who said anything about 100% equal? I'm just saying take away the 25% advantage, he'll the only reason why there are CPs is because end gamers cried like babies for more progression. And the bar was only lifted after the majority of the community got the first one. Well the majority of consoles players haven't gotten first bar yet, we didn't get 6 months to hit it before it was lifted higher0 -
ghostwise✭✭✭Not too worried about the pvp aspect because it seems to fall on who has the larger group at any given time dictates who wins a campaign. It would have created a much better endgame pvp system if transfers weren't allowed but that's not a big issue anymore I don't think. What was way wrong was letting folks bring over their millions of gold and immediately break the economy and guild store system.
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GeneralFlogger✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »I just have to say one more thing.... Why do some ppl insist on being the Best? What's wrong with just having fun and being Good? Everyone can't be the best, the sooner some ppl realise this the better. At the end of the day it's about having fun.
It just seems like for some people, the glass will always be half empty. It's like they can't function rationally with the idea that someone out there might be a little better, a little more advanced or have a better piece of gear, etc, etc... Good luck finding any game where everything is equal 100% of the time. No one owes you anything and if you're not willing to adjust how you play to achieve certain goals you will be left behind in games like this.
Hahaha who said anything about 100% equal? I'm just saying take away the 25% advantage, he'll the only reason why there are CPs is because end gamers cried like babies for more progression. And the bar was only lifted after the majority of the community got the first one. Well the majority of consoles players haven't gotten first bar yet, we didn't get 6 months to hit it before it was lifted higher
Yes let's swing the nerf bat because you don't feel like achieving anything and you want everything handed to you. Screw all of the players who only have champion points to progress. They can just go read lore books and fish because you don't feel like you should have to do anything to reach a status they invested time into achieving. Am I understanding your point correctly? Because, like I said earlier, it's your CHOICE not to take advantage of the system, period, regardless of your reasoning. Either be okay with not using it to your advantage or suck it up and go achieve something.Edited by GeneralFlogger on August 7, 2015 4:34PM0 -
markt84✭✭✭Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.
Owning who? They system isn't new player friendly and your not catch up with cp grinders. No with no new blood and everyone is more powerful, who exactly donyounplan on owning?
Other people who started the grind after me. There are what 3600ish cp points possible? That's the cap. We have Xp potions, pledge rings, and get more xp in a duo. Grinding CP isn't hard.
Hahahaha grinding isn't hard. Here is th definition of grinding since you have no idea what it actually means
grind·ing
ˈɡrīndiNG/
adjective
1.
(of a state) oppressive, tedious, and seemingly without end.
"grinding poverty"
2.
(of a sound or motion) harsh and grating.
"the group's grinding, ear-splitting guitar"
Well your comprehension is little off. None of that means it's hard. Things can be tedious, that doesn't mean they are hard. Continuing your education can seem to be without end, but that doesn't mean it's hard. Nice try though!
te·di·ous
ˈtēdēəs/
adjective
too long, slow, or dull: tiresome or monotonous.
tire·some
ˈtī(ə)rsəm/
adjective
causing one to feel bored or annoyed.
"weeding is a tiresome but essential job"
synonyms: boring, dull, tedious, insipid, wearisome, wearing, uninteresting, uninvolving, uneventful, humdrum, monotonous, mind-numbing; More
You got me there, yeah I don't find things that are tedious and tiresome hard to do. Good point. Man that sounds like so much fun to play a video game where to way to get better you have to grind tediously and is so tiresome to do. Man, sign me up0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.
Owning who? They system isn't new player friendly and your not catch up with cp grinders. No with no new blood and everyone is more powerful, who exactly donyounplan on owning?
Other people who started the grind after me. There are what 3600ish cp points possible? That's the cap. We have Xp potions, pledge rings, and get more xp in a duo. Grinding CP isn't hard.
Hahahaha grinding isn't hard. Here is th definition of grinding since you have no idea what it actually means
grind·ing
ˈɡrīndiNG/
adjective
1.
(of a state) oppressive, tedious, and seemingly without end.
"grinding poverty"
2.
(of a sound or motion) harsh and grating.
"the group's grinding, ear-splitting guitar"
Well your comprehension is little off. None of that means it's hard. Things can be tedious, that doesn't mean they are hard. Continuing your education can seem to be without end, but that doesn't mean it's hard. Nice try though!
te·di·ous
ˈtēdēəs/
adjective
too long, slow, or dull: tiresome or monotonous.
tire·some
ˈtī(ə)rsəm/
adjective
causing one to feel bored or annoyed.
"weeding is a tiresome but essential job"
synonyms: boring, dull, tedious, insipid, wearisome, wearing, uninteresting, uninvolving, uneventful, humdrum, monotonous, mind-numbing; More
You got me there, yeah I don't find things that are tedious and tiresome hard to do. Good point. Man that sounds like so much fun to play a video game where to way to get better you have to grind tediously and is so tiresome to do. Man, sign me up
Lots of other games out there, servers are too crowded as it is...1 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »First thread here, been playing Elder Scrolls since morrowind as well I have played many mmorpgs such as UO, SWTOR etc... I just don't understand the outrage around the current VR system or champ points? Most threads I've read are, for the most part, suggesting that lvl 10 characters should be competitive immediately. In what game has this ever been the case? That you can expect to be just as competitive as someone who has gone through and completed the majority of the content when you choose not to. Because, in most all of these threads that is what is being argued is someone's choice not to complete a system implemented by ZOS to lvl up your char and make you more competitve in both pvp and pve. If you are choosing not to run the quests why get on here and whine about it? It's not like anyone is forcing you to play this game and nothing is owed to you just for purchasing the cd or dl. Ultimately it's how you decide to play, but if your gonna sit around at a crafting hub or focus on grinding npcs or pks instead of utilizing the quest system than re adjust your expectations. I leveled lvl 1 to vr14 in about a month and a half. I also work a full time job and take care of a family of 4. I don't see how so many people are having such a hard time with this system unless they just dislike the game in which case, by all means, go find something else, at the very least it will cut down the load times for cyrodiil for those of us that do.
We all leveled our toons from 1 to VR14. Now go do ANOTHER ONE... an alt... and then come back and tell us how great the VR system is. I promise you that you're going to want to tear your eyes out of their sockets with boredom by the time you get to VR5, if not sooner.
Edited by Emma_Overload on August 7, 2015 4:49PM#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
sadownik✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think that the time and effort that people spend grinding, whether it be NPC's for CP's; questing for leveling; practicing vet dungeons; or practicing PVP should have a direct impact on your abilities in comparison to the other people around you. Otherwise, what the hell is the point of me participating in these activities for hours on end? I don't play an MMO to be on the same level as everyone else around me.
I play an MMO so that I can put in a lot of hours and become a more powerful player. What is the point of going into the VR questing zones if they aren't the best ways to level up? If they weren't worth doing then I wouldn't spend my time grinding out all of the quests and skyshards. But oh goodness when I finish getting my skyshards, going through the quests and grinding out CP's I feel more powerful, as I should. Just because you're lazy or don't have time to put hours into grinding out your character doesn't mean that the system is broken. What it means is that the system works! I'm not here to be on the same level as all of you!! I'm here to become the hero of Tamriel and exterminate anyone who wants to take that title away from me.
If you think that it's too much work to max yourself out and go through the grind (which I find to be a very fun and entertaining grind) then you're just weak. You clearly aren't the hero of Tamriel since you're not committed enough to put in the time and effort that it takes to become a skilled adventurer. Have fun working the rest of your days in the Vulkhel Guard inn, peasant.
Good for you, but i have a job already.0 -
markt84✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.
Owning who? They system isn't new player friendly and your not catch up with cp grinders. No with no new blood and everyone is more powerful, who exactly donyounplan on owning?
Other people who started the grind after me. There are what 3600ish cp points possible? That's the cap. We have Xp potions, pledge rings, and get more xp in a duo. Grinding CP isn't hard.
Hahahaha grinding isn't hard. Here is th definition of grinding since you have no idea what it actually means
grind·ing
ˈɡrīndiNG/
adjective
1.
(of a state) oppressive, tedious, and seemingly without end.
"grinding poverty"
2.
(of a sound or motion) harsh and grating.
"the group's grinding, ear-splitting guitar"
Well your comprehension is little off. None of that means it's hard. Things can be tedious, that doesn't mean they are hard. Continuing your education can seem to be without end, but that doesn't mean it's hard. Nice try though!
te·di·ous
ˈtēdēəs/
adjective
too long, slow, or dull: tiresome or monotonous.
tire·some
ˈtī(ə)rsəm/
adjective
causing one to feel bored or annoyed.
"weeding is a tiresome but essential job"
synonyms: boring, dull, tedious, insipid, wearisome, wearing, uninteresting, uninvolving, uneventful, humdrum, monotonous, mind-numbing; More
You got me there, yeah I don't find things that are tedious and tiresome hard to do. Good point. Man that sounds like so much fun to play a video game where to way to get better you have to grind tediously and is so tiresome to do. Man, sign me up
Lots of other games out there, servers are too crowded as it is...
Hahaha good comeback. Or I can voice my opinion on this ESO FORUM in hopes zos sees the validity in my argument and creates a non-cp campaign. What do you think zos would rather me do? Stop playing or come here and try to get a non-cp campaign created?0 -
ZOS_Alex✭✭✭Hi, everyone.
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GeneralFlogger✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »First thread here, been playing Elder Scrolls since morrowind as well I have played many mmorpgs such as UO, SWTOR etc... I just don't understand the outrage around the current VR system or champ points? Most threads I've read are, for the most part, suggesting that lvl 10 characters should be competitive immediately. In what game has this ever been the case? That you can expect to be just as competitive as someone who has gone through and completed the majority of the content when you choose not to. Because, in most all of these threads that is what is being argued is someone's choice not to complete a system implemented by ZOS to lvl up your char and make you more competitve in both pvp and pve. If you are choosing not to run the quests why get on here and whine about it? It's not like anyone is forcing you to play this game and nothing is owed to you just for purchasing the cd or dl. Ultimately it's how you decide to play, but if your gonna sit around at a crafting hub or focus on grinding npcs or pks instead of utilizing the quest system than re adjust your expectations. I leveled lvl 1 to vr14 in about a month and a half. I also work a full time job and take care of a family of 4. I don't see how so many people are having such a hard time with this system unless they just dislike the game in which case, by all means, go find something else, at the very least it will cut down the load times for cyrodiil for those of us that do.
We all leveled our toons from 1 to VR14. Now go do ANOTHER ONE... an alt... and then come back and tell us how great the VR system is. I promise you that you're going to want to tear your eyes out of your sockets with boredom when you get to VR5, if not sooner.
Yeah, already started... so am I to feel inferior in my position just because you've lost interest in the game? What I said to the last guy, if you are that sick of it don't let the door hit you on the way out. And who is "us" by the way? Do you speak for the community here? Would be helpful to make sure I get my response to the right person in another couple months when I'm done.0 -
Machiavelli✭✭✭Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.
Owning who? They system isn't new player friendly and your not catch up with cp grinders. No with no new blood and everyone is more powerful, who exactly donyounplan on owning?
Other people who started the grind after me. There are what 3600ish cp points possible? That's the cap. We have Xp potions, pledge rings, and get more xp in a duo. Grinding CP isn't hard.
Hahahaha grinding isn't hard. Here is th definition of grinding since you have no idea what it actually means
grind·ing
ˈɡrīndiNG/
adjective
1.
(of a state) oppressive, tedious, and seemingly without end.
"grinding poverty"
2.
(of a sound or motion) harsh and grating.
"the group's grinding, ear-splitting guitar"
Well your comprehension is little off. None of that means it's hard. Things can be tedious, that doesn't mean they are hard. Continuing your education can seem to be without end, but that doesn't mean it's hard. Nice try though!
te·di·ous
ˈtēdēəs/
adjective
too long, slow, or dull: tiresome or monotonous.
tire·some
ˈtī(ə)rsəm/
adjective
causing one to feel bored or annoyed.
"weeding is a tiresome but essential job"
synonyms: boring, dull, tedious, insipid, wearisome, wearing, uninteresting, uninvolving, uneventful, humdrum, monotonous, mind-numbing; More
You got me there, yeah I don't find things that are tedious and tiresome hard to do. Good point. Man that sounds like so much fun to play a video game where to way to get better you have to grind tediously and is so tiresome to do. Man, sign me up
You have this subjective thing down to an art.
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markt84✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »First thread here, been playing Elder Scrolls since morrowind as well I have played many mmorpgs such as UO, SWTOR etc... I just don't understand the outrage around the current VR system or champ points? Most threads I've read are, for the most part, suggesting that lvl 10 characters should be competitive immediately. In what game has this ever been the case? That you can expect to be just as competitive as someone who has gone through and completed the majority of the content when you choose not to. Because, in most all of these threads that is what is being argued is someone's choice not to complete a system implemented by ZOS to lvl up your char and make you more competitve in both pvp and pve. If you are choosing not to run the quests why get on here and whine about it? It's not like anyone is forcing you to play this game and nothing is owed to you just for purchasing the cd or dl. Ultimately it's how you decide to play, but if your gonna sit around at a crafting hub or focus on grinding npcs or pks instead of utilizing the quest system than re adjust your expectations. I leveled lvl 1 to vr14 in about a month and a half. I also work a full time job and take care of a family of 4. I don't see how so many people are having such a hard time with this system unless they just dislike the game in which case, by all means, go find something else, at the very least it will cut down the load times for cyrodiil for those of us that do.
We all leveled our toons from 1 to VR14. Now go do ANOTHER ONE... an alt... and then come back and tell us how great the VR system is. I promise you that you're going to want to tear your eyes out of your sockets with boredom when you get to VR5, if not sooner.
Yeah, already started... so am I to feel inferior in my position just because you've lost interest in the game? What I said to the last guy, if you are that sick of it don't let the door hit you on the way out. And who is "us" by the way? Do you speak for the community here? Would be helpful to make sure I get my response to the right person in another couple months when I'm done.
Sick of doing what? Having fun grinding? Well I don't grind in the game because I play it for enjoyment, not the feeling of "power" the game gives me. I'm sorry you waist away your hours grinding in a video, but that's not me dude. So how about if you don't like the idea of non-CPs don't let the door hit you on the way out of this thread0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.
Owning who? They system isn't new player friendly and your not catch up with cp grinders. No with no new blood and everyone is more powerful, who exactly donyounplan on owning?
Other people who started the grind after me. There are what 3600ish cp points possible? That's the cap. We have Xp potions, pledge rings, and get more xp in a duo. Grinding CP isn't hard.
Hahahaha grinding isn't hard. Here is th definition of grinding since you have no idea what it actually means
grind·ing
ˈɡrīndiNG/
adjective
1.
(of a state) oppressive, tedious, and seemingly without end.
"grinding poverty"
2.
(of a sound or motion) harsh and grating.
"the group's grinding, ear-splitting guitar"
Well your comprehension is little off. None of that means it's hard. Things can be tedious, that doesn't mean they are hard. Continuing your education can seem to be without end, but that doesn't mean it's hard. Nice try though!
te·di·ous
ˈtēdēəs/
adjective
too long, slow, or dull: tiresome or monotonous.
tire·some
ˈtī(ə)rsəm/
adjective
causing one to feel bored or annoyed.
"weeding is a tiresome but essential job"
synonyms: boring, dull, tedious, insipid, wearisome, wearing, uninteresting, uninvolving, uneventful, humdrum, monotonous, mind-numbing; More
You got me there, yeah I don't find things that are tedious and tiresome hard to do. Good point. Man that sounds like so much fun to play a video game where to way to get better you have to grind tediously and is so tiresome to do. Man, sign me up
Lots of other games out there, servers are too crowded as it is...
Hahaha good comeback. Or I can voice my opinion on this ESO FORUM in hopes zos sees the validity in my argument and creates a non-cp campaign. What do you think zos would rather me do? Stop playing or come here and try to get a non-cp campaign created?
Hey man, do what you gotta do, just know that while you're petitioning the rest of us will be that much further a head while you wait. Might need a much bigger nerf bat in a month or two when xp doubles+/- for vet levels and two new vrs are released.0