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People who say sorc shield arent Op LOL
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trimsic_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I listen to my guildmates who play a sorc. They all say that the sorc is OP because:
- Shield stacking is OP and scales off magicka
- Bolt escape is OP when used with a high regen build
Of course, many sorcs reading this post will yell and state that sorcs are not OP.2 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.
It's funny how 6+ months ago someone said the same thing about dks.
It's funny how dk's got nerfed to the ground.
Not really. DKs are still very viable in pvp.
Viable not as viable as nb's or sorc though it's why everyone rerolls to a sorc or nb.
70% of people in pvp are sorc or nb currently.
Did you just make that statistic up on the spot?
Ofc a random guess from what i see on console, very rare i vs another dk or a templar.
lol.
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✭✭✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.
It's funny how 6+ months ago someone said the same thing about dks.
It's funny how dk's got nerfed to the ground.
Not really. DKs are still very viable in pvp.
Viable not as viable as nb's or sorc though it's why everyone rerolls to a sorc or nb.
70% of people in pvp are sorc or nb currently.
Did you just make that statistic up on the spot?
Ofc a random guess from what i see on console, very rare i vs another dk or a templar.
lol.
what an insightful comment i now see how you got 5 stars.PS4 EU DC
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Milktray✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.
It's funny how 6+ months ago someone said the same thing about dks.
It's funny how dk's got nerfed to the ground.
Not really. DKs are still very viable in pvp.
Viable not as viable as nb's or sorc though it's why everyone rerolls to a sorc or nb.
70% of people in pvp are sorc or nb currently.
On xbox one eu i see a few nb's, quite a few sorc's but mostly it seems to be either dk or tempZoS please understand everyone thinks and pronounces things differently, so please add to your 'rules' that things get removed if the Mod doesn't actually quite understand phrasing0 -
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@Lionxoft, You can do pictures, right?Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Lionxoft , The part I was referring to was this:Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Lionxoft , so, to be clear, you're saying there are Sorcs out there capable of 140k Healing ward?As a Dragonknight. 70cp around 1.6. Not using healing ward or barrier. If healing ward were used appropriately it would be over 140k.
Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar while dealing nasty damage too though. I don't think there's any argument that the Sorcerer's ward should scale off of health instead of a dps stat like magicka.
That's a ~50k healing ward at full health (the 300% only kicks in based on health lost)
There's no argument about scaling off of HP, just ask any non-magicka build. The shield is there to make up for a deficiency (You know, when all LA wearers got *** via 1.6 and MA/HA got free spell resist), not make already tanky/high HP builds even stronger.
And OP, and your pointless thread, see PTS for changes to come. Use search feature to better understand how to play your own class.
@Merlin13KAGL
You didn't comprehend the first sentence at all. The image is a Dragonknight (obviously) and it was stated in the first part of the post. Pretty boldly stated as well if I might add. Healing ward was mentioned because the bubble stack could be even higher for the example shown in my image. Lastly, I mentioned Sorcs only because of the fact that they can scale their damage while increasing the strength of their anti-crit bubble.
Here's a public school directory for the US if you want to revisit grade one. Just trying to help.
http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/
But thanks for not being a complete jackass.Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar
/sarcasm
P.S. I didn't realize "Writing Comprehension" was a thing. You've proven me wrong.
You're quoting something that was never stated? Nice. Don't be so willing to showcase your shortcomings, Merlin. My guess is you're an upset sorcerer in defense mode hoping that ZOS does not see the rational change. Sorc's ward scaling off of an offensive stat such as magicka is pure idiocy. I figured that was fairly clear in my example but then again I wasn't posting for the potato heads in the crowd.
Just in case you weren't aware the definition of "comprehend" is listed below. Always trying to help.com·pre·hend
[ˌkämpriˈhend]
VERB
grasp mentally; understand:
and links?
The important parts have been highlighted for you. Perhaps if you spent less time trying to be a **** instead of remembering what you write in your own posts, you'd have more time leftover for those fancy internet searches you seem to enjoy so much.
I'm not upset at all. I'm not the one that's ignorant about the numbers and what they can and can't possibly be.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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✭Rook_Master wrote: »One of these is not like the other:
1. DK: Obsidian Shield: Scales off Max Health
2. Templar: Blazing Shield: Scales off Max Health
3. Sorc: Hardened Ward: Scales off Max Magicka
One of these also doesnt do damage when it expires............ in case you didnt know
not to mention one of these is not like the other
Templer: reflect and instant selfheal
DK: reflect and instant selfheal
sorc:
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PoseidonEvil✭✭✭Is it shield stacking or your ability to survive long enough to kill said sorc with shields lol?..In-game ID: alchelvly
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rook_Master wrote: »One of these is not like the other:
1. DK: Obsidian Shield: Scales off Max Health
2. Templar: Blazing Shield: Scales off Max Health
3. Sorc: Hardened Ward: Scales off Max Magicka
One of these also doesnt do damage when it expires............ in case you didnt know
not to mention one of these is not like the other
Templer: reflect and instant selfheal
DK: reflect and instant selfheal
sorc:
Sorc , instant 15k shield with the ability to heal health and their spamming shield, also the ability to increase said shield while increasing dps, only shield to scale of magicka.PS4 EU DC
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Farorin✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »INB4 defend the op class.
I agree that shield stacking has gotten silly (as a person who enjoys sorc quite a bit, although sorcs just do it a bit better with hardened ward any magicka class can shield stack) keep in mind it comes at the expense of being normally squishy and fairly mediocre dps in pve. They have good pvp damage, good burst, but I'd hope with the fixing/nerfing of shields that they gain something to be more worth it in pve compared to stamina templar and dragonknight. The reason I mention it is because adding more sustained dps while allowing them to shield stack the way they did before would probably be silly pvp wise, hopefully this with allow them to change other things on sorc to be better more well rounded in all aspects of the game.
PS: Why do I get this sneaking suspicion.....that you're a nightblade that won't also talk about nightblades being pretty amazing on PTS? Just a nagging suspicion. :-P
NB on the PTS are pretty poor.
I kill them very easily. The only annoying thing is cloak, but if you reveal them with a flare or whatever, they go down really quick.0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So...because Sorcerers are surviving, that makes them OP? There is no "healing" when it comes to Sorcerer, unless you count Healing Ward, which is about to be nerfed into Oblivion in and of itself. As of live it's dependent on how much of the shield is left anyways, so there's that. Against a Stamina Build, only one shield works anyways.
Nerfing shields would destroy this class unless they were given a self heal that isn't a clannfear like ALL of the other classes. We have the strongest damage shield because we can't heal.
Sorcs are good, sorcs are strong. Sorcs can do LOTS of stuff. But if you can't kill them then you need to learn a good bit more about how to fight in this game.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So...because Sorcerers are surviving, that makes them OP? There is no "healing" when it comes to Sorcerer, unless you count Healing Ward, which is about to be nerfed into Oblivion in and of itself. As of live it's dependent on how much of the shield is left anyways, so there's that. Against a Stamina Build, only one shield works anyways.
Nerfing shields would destroy this class unless they were given a self heal that isn't a clannfear like ALL of the other classes. We have the strongest damage shield because we can't heal.
Sorcs are good, sorcs are strong. Sorcs can do LOTS of stuff. But if you can't kill them then you need to learn a good bit more about how to fight in this game.
Here we go another sorc defending his Op class with a L2P.
Simply fact is sorc can have high shield (survivability) , Mobility (BE) and damage all in one build, no other class is even close to that.
Your shield should not stack of your dps attribute, again no other classes does. Also believe it or not theres more classes than sorc and therefore other classes are losing healing ability. You think i want a 17% heal from GBD?PS4 EU DC
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✭trimsic_ESO wrote: »I listen to my guildmates who play a sorc. They all say that the sorc is OP because:
- Shield stacking is OP and scales off magicka
- Bolt escape is OP when used with a high regen build
Of course, many sorcs reading this post will yell and state that sorcs are not OP.
i am playing a sorc - i do sign these, but i do say aswell
shield stacking is a problem because of healing ward - and not the sorc shield - wich is way to powerfull, a up to 25-45k shield on life IS to much and it is the only shield able to do so. the problem is outside of sorcs nearly no one is using them even though they can and should but refuse to because of stubborn- and stupidness ( quoting one of the thread participants: "i do not want to create my build around fighting one opponent class." - neglacting that using this shield on his class makes him lose one QB slot to the most powerfull ability IG in terms of survivability).
the other point is stacking alot of magica reg to make BE overpowered does significantly reduce your shield strength and dmg as you are using 5+ reg set boni and drinks instead of buff food. leading to the sitauation of having to recast your shield after every attack round as it is either depleted or next to opening you to the naughty overflowbug, reducing your weak dmg even further.
on the other side sorc are the class enable cheating like no other in regards of absorb values, stat inflation mundus abusement etc.Edited by Tankqull on August 5, 2015 12:43PMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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The only part you got right is that damage shouldn't scale off any of those attributes - they should be for quantity, not quality, dictating how many hits you take or times you trigger a skill.leepalmer95 wrote: »So...because Sorcerers are surviving, that makes them OP? There is no "healing" when it comes to Sorcerer, unless you count Healing Ward, which is about to be nerfed into Oblivion in and of itself. As of live it's dependent on how much of the shield is left anyways, so there's that. Against a Stamina Build, only one shield works anyways.
Nerfing shields would destroy this class unless they were given a self heal that isn't a clannfear like ALL of the other classes. We have the strongest damage shield because we can't heal.
Sorcs are good, sorcs are strong. Sorcs can do LOTS of stuff. But if you can't kill them then you need to learn a good bit more about how to fight in this game.
Here we go another sorc defending his Op class with a L2P.
Simply fact is sorc can have high shield (survivability) , Mobility (BE) and damage all in one build, no other class is even close to that.
Your shield should not stack of your dps attribute, again no other classes does. Also believe it or not theres more classes than sorc and therefore other classes are losing healing ability. You think i want a 17% heal from GBD?
Tying the major part of damage on any class to the primary stat makes no sense and will never lend itself to balance. It's exactly why the standalone games had more than just three attributes.
But this? No other class can have high survivability, mobility, and damage all in one build...?
I'll start sending out the memos now, because three other classes obviously didn't receive them.
/thread.
Edited by Merlin13KAGL on August 5, 2015 12:47PMJust because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »So...because Sorcerers are surviving, that makes them OP? There is no "healing" when it comes to Sorcerer, unless you count Healing Ward, which is about to be nerfed into Oblivion in and of itself. As of live it's dependent on how much of the shield is left anyways, so there's that. Against a Stamina Build, only one shield works anyways.
Nerfing shields would destroy this class unless they were given a self heal that isn't a clannfear like ALL of the other classes. We have the strongest damage shield because we can't heal.
Sorcs are good, sorcs are strong. Sorcs can do LOTS of stuff. But if you can't kill them then you need to learn a good bit more about how to fight in this game.
Here we go another sorc defending his Op class with a L2P.
Simply fact is sorc can have high shield (survivability) , Mobility (BE) and damage all in one build, no other class is even close to that.
Your shield should not stack of your dps attribute, again no other classes does. Also believe it or not theres more classes than sorc and therefore other classes are losing healing ability. You think i want a 17% heal from GBD?
Why should the shield not scale to magicka? It's a magical ward. You summon it with magicka. There's no reason for it NOT to be a magicka-scaled spell. The other classes have heals. Good heals. Heals that you can reliably use. Sorcerers don't.
DK: Coagulating Blood + Igneous Shield -- Both a heal AND a good damage shield
Templar: AN ENTIRE TREE DEVOTED TO HEALING + Blazing Shield -- Really no explanation needed here
Nightblade: Cloak + Sap Essence + Funnel Health -- No damage shield, but the ability to go invisible at well and a skill that not only heals you, but passively increases healing.
Sorcerer: Hardened Ward + a Clannfear that requires a 1 second cast time, must be on the active bar to be out and active, and can die prematurely.
We shield because we have to. If we don't, we die. It's that simple.
That being said, I do agree with the fact that bolt is overpowered. I myself can cast it 13 times in a row before I'm OOM. No one should have that ability. I use Streak offensively, not to run away all the time.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »So...because Sorcerers are surviving, that makes them OP? There is no "healing" when it comes to Sorcerer, unless you count Healing Ward, which is about to be nerfed into Oblivion in and of itself. As of live it's dependent on how much of the shield is left anyways, so there's that. Against a Stamina Build, only one shield works anyways.
Nerfing shields would destroy this class unless they were given a self heal that isn't a clannfear like ALL of the other classes. We have the strongest damage shield because we can't heal.
Sorcs are good, sorcs are strong. Sorcs can do LOTS of stuff. But if you can't kill them then you need to learn a good bit more about how to fight in this game.
Here we go another sorc defending his Op class with a L2P.
Simply fact is sorc can have high shield (survivability) , Mobility (BE) and damage all in one build, no other class is even close to that.
No other class tops at 14.5k DPS even when using that shield. They top at 18k+ without any shield.
Actually, I only do PvE and if you make our DPS increase to 18k DPS without shields I am actually happy, as I can certainly use those two abilities slots I'd gain by getting rid of a now useless (for DPS) shield.
Edited by Vahrokh on August 5, 2015 1:34PMVaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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iTzStevey✭✭✭DaveTheMinion wrote: »The problem with PVP
Yeah I killed you, "I am a god! Worship me"
WHAT! how did you kill me? I hate the lag in this game, and people who cheat by using exploits!
Sometimes you win and sometimes you loose. GET OVER IT!
Exactly, i don't get the "but my class can't do anything like that!" Argument either, these people must have done zero research into the classes before playing them.
I don't get the "Conjured ward should scale of max health" argument either, sorcs have the lowest health of any class, making conjured ward scale off max health would pretty much make them a pointless class, in pvp atleast.
What people should of learned from this game by now:
1.Research a games classes BEFORE you choose one, instead of screaming OP because you can't kill every other player in two seconds flat.
2.Research other classes after becoming familiar with your own. Infact why not PLAY other classes, you'll learn a lot about how they play and will know their weaknesses.
3.Whoever came up with the whole "play your way!" Thing is full of sh*t.
4.Sorcs and nightblades can flee effectively, but DKs and Temps are the best tanks in the game bar none, with enough skill,gear and cp you can tank quite a few players whilst waiting for backup.
5.Skill and knowledge win most of the time.
6.Skill and knowledge win most of the time. (Incase you missed the first time i said it)
7. If you're looking for a balanced game, sell ESO immediately, the game will never be balanced aslong as the champiom system exists.1 -
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✭✭Are sorcerer shields really better then the dragonknight skills? I can cast spiked armor, dragon blood and obsidian shield at the same time and their duration times are all decent as well as their effects (even more so morphed)...I can't see 2 sorcerer shields beating those 3.Edited by waterfairy on August 6, 2015 12:15AM0 -
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✭✭Op isnt saying nerf the class, hes just laughing at the people who say it isnt overpowered, which it massively is thanks to extra shields.0 -
markt84✭✭✭Are sorcerer shields really better then the dragonknight skills? I can cast spiked armor, dragon blood and obsidian shield at the same time and their duration times are all decent as well as their effects (even more so morphed)...I can't see 2 sorcerer shields beating those 3.
Haha yeah dude the sorc stacked shields are way better1 -
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✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Lionxoft, You can do pictures, right?Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Lionxoft , The part I was referring to was this:Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Lionxoft , so, to be clear, you're saying there are Sorcs out there capable of 140k Healing ward?As a Dragonknight. 70cp around 1.6. Not using healing ward or barrier. If healing ward were used appropriately it would be over 140k.
Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar while dealing nasty damage too though. I don't think there's any argument that the Sorcerer's ward should scale off of health instead of a dps stat like magicka.
That's a ~50k healing ward at full health (the 300% only kicks in based on health lost)
There's no argument about scaling off of HP, just ask any non-magicka build. The shield is there to make up for a deficiency (You know, when all LA wearers got *** via 1.6 and MA/HA got free spell resist), not make already tanky/high HP builds even stronger.
And OP, and your pointless thread, see PTS for changes to come. Use search feature to better understand how to play your own class.
@Merlin13KAGL
You didn't comprehend the first sentence at all. The image is a Dragonknight (obviously) and it was stated in the first part of the post. Pretty boldly stated as well if I might add. Healing ward was mentioned because the bubble stack could be even higher for the example shown in my image. Lastly, I mentioned Sorcs only because of the fact that they can scale their damage while increasing the strength of their anti-crit bubble.
Here's a public school directory for the US if you want to revisit grade one. Just trying to help.
http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/
But thanks for not being a complete jackass.Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar
/sarcasm
P.S. I didn't realize "Writing Comprehension" was a thing. You've proven me wrong.
You're quoting something that was never stated? Nice. Don't be so willing to showcase your shortcomings, Merlin. My guess is you're an upset sorcerer in defense mode hoping that ZOS does not see the rational change. Sorc's ward scaling off of an offensive stat such as magicka is pure idiocy. I figured that was fairly clear in my example but then again I wasn't posting for the potato heads in the crowd.
Just in case you weren't aware the definition of "comprehend" is listed below. Always trying to help.com·pre·hend
[ˌkämpriˈhend]
VERB
grasp mentally; understand:
and links?
The important parts have been highlighted for you. Perhaps if you spent less time trying to be a **** instead of remembering what you write in your own posts, you'd have more time leftover for those fancy internet searches you seem to enjoy so much.
I'm not upset at all. I'm not the one that's ignorant about the numbers and what they can and can't possibly be.Merlin13KAGL wrote:P.S. I didn't realize "Writing Comprehension" was a thing. You've proven me wrong.
You're really digging the hole deeper for yourself. The referenced quote is above. That was your initial spew of hogwash. I never mentioned "writing comprehension". I'm not sure where you pulled that one out. Did I mention you didn't comprehend the original post? Yes, I did and it still holds true because you still haven't arrived at an understanding of the original statement I made. Don't be so dense, Merlin.
I wrote the original post and comment referring to how shield stacking can reach insane numbers even for Dragonknights. I proved that it's possible as a DK but sorcs do it better. Multiple times I've mentioned that healing ward was just referred to as a sidenote so the number didn't look skewed because of low health etc. which the image I posted does not utilize healing ward. Really, you need to figure out what your argument is because mine has been pretty clear since my first post.
To reiterate the point yet again and hopefully it will stick this time. Sorcs can stack shields well and so can Dragonknights. Sorcs can do it better because they don't have to sacrifice damage for a healthy anti-crit bubble. Even without mentioning healing ward my comment would still hold true and was the original intent. You're scratching at something you think is there yet it is not. I think that you got hung up on the healing ward mention yet it wasn't the basis of the original post as mentioned earlier it could be completely omitted and the statement would still hold true.
You should really spend more time actually reading statements for their intended purpose instead of making up comments, quotes and picking apart points that were essentially side notes while treating them as the main point.
Edited by Lionxoft on August 6, 2015 6:01AM0 -
iTzStevey✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Rook_Master wrote: »One of these is not like the other:
1. DK: Obsidian Shield: Scales off Max Health
2. Templar: Blazing Shield: Scales off Max Health
3. Sorc: Hardened Ward: Scales off Max Magicka
One of these also doesnt do damage when it expires............ in case you didnt know
not to mention one of these is not like the other
Templer: reflect and instant selfheal
DK: reflect and instant selfheal
sorc:
Sorc , instant 15k shield with the ability to heal health and their spamming shield, also the ability to increase said shield while increasing dps, only shield to scale of magicka.
Not every sorc has a 15k shield though, the only people that get to 15k on hardened ward alone are people with like 3-400 champion points which is a small minority. Shields can be crit in U7, and its a 50% nerf directly to all shields, so threads like this are pointless. Not to mention if these "instant 15k shield" sorcs you seem to be seeing have been playing for thousands of hours, you SHOULD have a hard time killing them, otherwise whats the point in anyone playing if everyone is on the smame level even after some of them have played for that long?.
The majority ends up with a pointless class because the minority have farmed CP longer than they have and people fly over to the forums crying OP NERF NERF NERF.1 -
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Farorin✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »So...because Sorcerers are surviving, that makes them OP? There is no "healing" when it comes to Sorcerer, unless you count Healing Ward, which is about to be nerfed into Oblivion in and of itself. As of live it's dependent on how much of the shield is left anyways, so there's that. Against a Stamina Build, only one shield works anyways.
Nerfing shields would destroy this class unless they were given a self heal that isn't a clannfear like ALL of the other classes. We have the strongest damage shield because we can't heal.
Sorcs are good, sorcs are strong. Sorcs can do LOTS of stuff. But if you can't kill them then you need to learn a good bit more about how to fight in this game.
Here we go another sorc defending his Op class with a L2P.
Simply fact is sorc can have high shield (survivability) , Mobility (BE) and damage all in one build, no other class is even close to that.
Your shield should not stack of your dps attribute, again no other classes does. Also believe it or not theres more classes than sorc and therefore other classes are losing healing ability. You think i want a 17% heal from GBD?
Why should the shield not scale to magicka? It's a magical ward. You summon it with magicka. There's no reason for it NOT to be a magicka-scaled spell. The other classes have heals. Good heals. Heals that you can reliably use. Sorcerers don't.
DK: Coagulating Blood + Igneous Shield -- Both a heal AND a good damage shield
Templar: AN ENTIRE TREE DEVOTED TO HEALING + Blazing Shield -- Really no explanation needed here
Nightblade: Cloak + Sap Essence + Funnel Health -- No damage shield, but the ability to go invisible at well and a skill that not only heals you, but passively increases healing.
Sorcerer: Hardened Ward + a Clannfear that requires a 1 second cast time, must be on the active bar to be out and active, and can die prematurely.
We shield because we have to. If we don't, we die. It's that simple.
That being said, I do agree with the fact that bolt is overpowered. I myself can cast it 13 times in a row before I'm OOM. No one should have that ability. I use Streak offensively, not to run away all the time.
I know little about DKS but as for temps and NBs
Blazing shield is completely useless in the PTS currently, one or two light attacks breaks it.
Cloak is unreliable and easily countered by anybody willing to put a detection skill on their bar, or use a det pot
Funnel health has taken a double hit on PTS and is now not a valid skill to use in almost any situation
Sap essence suffers from the same problem as funnel health, but isn't quite as useless, and just borderline terrible insteadEdited by Farorin on August 6, 2015 8:51AM0 -
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@Lionxoft , tell you what. I'll cover this one last time before I'm done with you.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Lionxoft, You can do pictures, right?Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Lionxoft , The part I was referring to was this:Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Lionxoft , so, to be clear, you're saying there are Sorcs out there capable of 140k Healing ward?As a Dragonknight. 70cp around 1.6. Not using healing ward or barrier. If healing ward were used appropriately it would be over 140k.
Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar while dealing nasty damage too though. I don't think there's any argument that the Sorcerer's ward should scale off of health instead of a dps stat like magicka.
That's a ~50k healing ward at full health (the 300% only kicks in based on health lost)
There's no argument about scaling off of HP, just ask any non-magicka build. The shield is there to make up for a deficiency (You know, when all LA wearers got *** via 1.6 and MA/HA got free spell resist), not make already tanky/high HP builds even stronger.
And OP, and your pointless thread, see PTS for changes to come. Use search feature to better understand how to play your own class.
@Merlin13KAGL
You didn't comprehend the first sentence at all. The image is a Dragonknight (obviously) and it was stated in the first part of the post. Pretty boldly stated as well if I might add. Healing ward was mentioned because the bubble stack could be even higher for the example shown in my image. Lastly, I mentioned Sorcs only because of the fact that they can scale their damage while increasing the strength of their anti-crit bubble.
Here's a public school directory for the US if you want to revisit grade one. Just trying to help.
http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/
But thanks for not being a complete jackass.Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar
/sarcasm
P.S. I didn't realize "Writing Comprehension" was a thing. You've proven me wrong.
You're quoting something that was never stated? Nice. Don't be so willing to showcase your shortcomings, Merlin. My guess is you're an upset sorcerer in defense mode hoping that ZOS does not see the rational change. Sorc's ward scaling off of an offensive stat such as magicka is pure idiocy. I figured that was fairly clear in my example but then again I wasn't posting for the potato heads in the crowd.
Just in case you weren't aware the definition of "comprehend" is listed below. Always trying to help.com·pre·hend
[ˌkämpriˈhend]
VERB
grasp mentally; understand:
and links?
The important parts have been highlighted for you. Perhaps if you spent less time trying to be a **** instead of remembering what you write in your own posts, you'd have more time leftover for those fancy internet searches you seem to enjoy so much.
I'm not upset at all. I'm not the one that's ignorant about the numbers and what they can and can't possibly be.Merlin13KAGL wrote:P.S. I didn't realize "Writing Comprehension" was a thing. You've proven me wrong.
You're really digging the hole deeper for yourself. The referenced quote is above. That was your initial spew of hogwash. I never mentioned "writing comprehension". I'm not sure where you pulled that one out. Did I mention you didn't comprehend the original post? Yes, I did and it still holds true because you still haven't arrived at an understanding of the original statement I made. Don't be so dense, Merlin.
I wrote the original post and comment referring to how shield stacking can reach insane numbers even for Dragonknights. I proved that it's possible as a DK but sorcs do it better. Multiple times I've mentioned that healing ward was just referred to as a sidenote so the number didn't look skewed because of low health etc. which the image I posted does not utilize healing ward. Really, you need to figure out what your argument is because mine has been pretty clear since my first post.
To reiterate the point yet again and hopefully it will stick this time. Sorcs can stack shields well and so can Dragonknights. Sorcs can do it better because they don't have to sacrifice damage for a healthy anti-crit bubble. Even without mentioning healing ward my comment would still hold true and was the original intent. You're scratching at something you think is there yet it is not. I think that you got hung up on the healing ward mention yet it wasn't the basis of the original post as mentioned earlier it could be completely omitted and the statement would still hold true.
You should really spend more time actually reading statements for their intended purpose instead of making up comments, quotes and picking apart points that were essentially side notes while treating them as the main point.
You show a DK w/90k effective. In the next breath, you say Sorcs can do similar, which would lead most readers to make a connection with both the ability to stack (true), and the potential value of the end result.
I asked you, quite reasonably, to clarify, and you decided to get "cute" at the end, likely to make yourself feel better about something. (For the record, I don't care what that something is.)
Not a big stretch for someone with half the education you keep trying to jokingly point other people to to know you're making statements about Reading Comprehension.
Since you can't grasp why others might think you are indirectly implying that Sorcs can somehow reach anywhere close to 90k effective HP (through any means), relative to your own original statement, that's where my joke about "Writing Comprehension" came in.
You comprehending what you wrote in your own damn post.
So, "Writing Comprehension" ~ play on words regarding reading comprehension. Irony & sarcasm, both of which you obviously missed while so vigorously trying to 'help' me. The referenced quote was never implied to have been said by you. If you were a bit less narcissistic, you would have caught that, too.
Show a screenshot with a Sorc at 90k effective, not including Annulment, and I'll happily concede. You can even use a template character with 3600 CP's, though I doubt it's gonna happen.
You bring a DK reference into a nerf Sorc thread and try to make a connection without showing this massively overpowered Sorc version the OP is QQing about.
I asked for original clarification, without attacking you and without being harsh or condescending. You're the one that came at me and then missed the very essence of the dig relative to the snide remarks you were sending my way.
You have an opinion. All good. You obviously seem to be under some illusion of superiority to the rest of us.
Again, spend less time trying to pat yourself on the back because you didn't get hugged enough as a child and more time providing statements with relevance, based on facts, not generalizations.
Maybe then your arguments, whichever way they go, will stand on their own merit, without you feeling the need to condescend.
Good day.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Lionxoft , tell you what. I'll cover this one last time before I'm done with you.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Lionxoft, You can do pictures, right?Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Lionxoft , The part I was referring to was this:Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Lionxoft , so, to be clear, you're saying there are Sorcs out there capable of 140k Healing ward?As a Dragonknight. 70cp around 1.6. Not using healing ward or barrier. If healing ward were used appropriately it would be over 140k.
Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar while dealing nasty damage too though. I don't think there's any argument that the Sorcerer's ward should scale off of health instead of a dps stat like magicka.
That's a ~50k healing ward at full health (the 300% only kicks in based on health lost)
There's no argument about scaling off of HP, just ask any non-magicka build. The shield is there to make up for a deficiency (You know, when all LA wearers got *** via 1.6 and MA/HA got free spell resist), not make already tanky/high HP builds even stronger.
And OP, and your pointless thread, see PTS for changes to come. Use search feature to better understand how to play your own class.
@Merlin13KAGL
You didn't comprehend the first sentence at all. The image is a Dragonknight (obviously) and it was stated in the first part of the post. Pretty boldly stated as well if I might add. Healing ward was mentioned because the bubble stack could be even higher for the example shown in my image. Lastly, I mentioned Sorcs only because of the fact that they can scale their damage while increasing the strength of their anti-crit bubble.
Here's a public school directory for the US if you want to revisit grade one. Just trying to help.
http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/
But thanks for not being a complete jackass.Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar
/sarcasm
P.S. I didn't realize "Writing Comprehension" was a thing. You've proven me wrong.
You're quoting something that was never stated? Nice. Don't be so willing to showcase your shortcomings, Merlin. My guess is you're an upset sorcerer in defense mode hoping that ZOS does not see the rational change. Sorc's ward scaling off of an offensive stat such as magicka is pure idiocy. I figured that was fairly clear in my example but then again I wasn't posting for the potato heads in the crowd.
Just in case you weren't aware the definition of "comprehend" is listed below. Always trying to help.com·pre·hend
[ˌkämpriˈhend]
VERB
grasp mentally; understand:
and links?
The important parts have been highlighted for you. Perhaps if you spent less time trying to be a **** instead of remembering what you write in your own posts, you'd have more time leftover for those fancy internet searches you seem to enjoy so much.
I'm not upset at all. I'm not the one that's ignorant about the numbers and what they can and can't possibly be.Merlin13KAGL wrote:P.S. I didn't realize "Writing Comprehension" was a thing. You've proven me wrong.
You're really digging the hole deeper for yourself. The referenced quote is above. That was your initial spew of hogwash. I never mentioned "writing comprehension". I'm not sure where you pulled that one out. Did I mention you didn't comprehend the original post? Yes, I did and it still holds true because you still haven't arrived at an understanding of the original statement I made. Don't be so dense, Merlin.
I wrote the original post and comment referring to how shield stacking can reach insane numbers even for Dragonknights. I proved that it's possible as a DK but sorcs do it better. Multiple times I've mentioned that healing ward was just referred to as a sidenote so the number didn't look skewed because of low health etc. which the image I posted does not utilize healing ward. Really, you need to figure out what your argument is because mine has been pretty clear since my first post.
To reiterate the point yet again and hopefully it will stick this time. Sorcs can stack shields well and so can Dragonknights. Sorcs can do it better because they don't have to sacrifice damage for a healthy anti-crit bubble. Even without mentioning healing ward my comment would still hold true and was the original intent. You're scratching at something you think is there yet it is not. I think that you got hung up on the healing ward mention yet it wasn't the basis of the original post as mentioned earlier it could be completely omitted and the statement would still hold true.
You should really spend more time actually reading statements for their intended purpose instead of making up comments, quotes and picking apart points that were essentially side notes while treating them as the main point.
You show a DK w/90k effective. In the next breath, you say Sorcs can do similar, which would lead most readers to make a connection with both the ability to stack (true), and the potential value of the end result.
I asked you, quite reasonably, to clarify, and you decided to get "cute" at the end, likely to make yourself feel better about something. (For the record, I don't care what that something is.)
Not a big stretch for someone with half the education you keep trying to jokingly point other people to to know you're making statements about Reading Comprehension.
Since you can't grasp why others might think you are indirectly implying that Sorcs can somehow reach anywhere close to 90k effective HP (through any means), relative to your own original statement, that's where my joke about "Writing Comprehension" came in.
You comprehending what you wrote in your own damn post.
So, "Writing Comprehension" ~ play on words regarding reading comprehension. Irony & sarcasm, both of which you obviously missed while so vigorously trying to 'help' me. The referenced quote was never implied to have been said by you. If you were a bit less narcissistic, you would have caught that, too.
Show a screenshot with a Sorc at 90k effective, not including Annulment, and I'll happily concede. You can even use a template character with 3600 CP's, though I doubt it's gonna happen.
You bring a DK reference into a nerf Sorc thread and try to make a connection without showing this massively overpowered Sorc version the OP is QQing about.
I asked for original clarification, without attacking you and without being harsh or condescending. You're the one that came at me and then missed the very essence of the dig relative to the snide remarks you were sending my way.
You have an opinion. All good. You obviously seem to be under some illusion of superiority to the rest of us.
Again, spend less time trying to pat yourself on the back because you didn't get hugged enough as a child and more time providing statements with relevance, based on facts, not generalizations.
Maybe then your arguments, whichever way they go, will stand on their own merit, without you feeling the need to condescend.
Good day.
The image below is from Zavus on another nerf sorc/cp thread. Make sure that your argument is based on fact and not some silly vendetta that encourages you to make personal attacks. I'm just here to discuss the game. Not your personal life. My hope is that you can comprehend that.
Good day.
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✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »So...because Sorcerers are surviving, that makes them OP? There is no "healing" when it comes to Sorcerer, unless you count Healing Ward, which is about to be nerfed into Oblivion in and of itself. As of live it's dependent on how much of the shield is left anyways, so there's that. Against a Stamina Build, only one shield works anyways.
Nerfing shields would destroy this class unless they were given a self heal that isn't a clannfear like ALL of the other classes. We have the strongest damage shield because we can't heal.
Sorcs are good, sorcs are strong. Sorcs can do LOTS of stuff. But if you can't kill them then you need to learn a good bit more about how to fight in this game.
Here we go another sorc defending his Op class with a L2P.
Simply fact is sorc can have high shield (survivability) , Mobility (BE) and damage all in one build, no other class is even close to that.
Your shield should not stack of your dps attribute, again no other classes does. Also believe it or not theres more classes than sorc and therefore other classes are losing healing ability. You think i want a 17% heal from GBD?
Why should the shield not scale to magicka? It's a magical ward. You summon it with magicka. There's no reason for it NOT to be a magicka-scaled spell. The other classes have heals. Good heals. Heals that you can reliably use. Sorcerers don't.
DK: Coagulating Blood + Igneous Shield -- Both a heal AND a good damage shield
Templar: AN ENTIRE TREE DEVOTED TO HEALING + Blazing Shield -- Really no explanation needed here
Nightblade: Cloak + Sap Essence + Funnel Health -- No damage shield, but the ability to go invisible at well and a skill that not only heals you, but passively increases healing.
Sorcerer: Hardened Ward + a Clannfear that requires a 1 second cast time, must be on the active bar to be out and active, and can die prematurely.
We shield because we have to. If we don't, we die. It's that simple.
That being said, I do agree with the fact that bolt is overpowered. I myself can cast it 13 times in a row before I'm OOM. No one should have that ability. I use Streak offensively, not to run away all the time.
I know little about DKS but as for temps and NBs
Blazing shield is completely useless in the PTS currently, one or two light attacks breaks it.
Cloak is unreliable and easily countered by anybody willing to put a detection skill on their bar, or use a det pot
Funnel health has taken a double hit on PTS and is now not a valid skill to use in almost any situation
Sap essence suffers from the same problem as funnel health, but isn't quite as useless, and just borderline terrible instead
I'm talking about live, not the PTS. Experience on the PTS is only somewhat valid considering that the state of it is still in flux and the devs will be tweaking things to their liking until things are right, or "right". Still, good points and something to be considerered. On the PTS, sorcerers have taken a HUGE hit with the damage shield nerf, with the -50% and being able to be critted (has that even happened yet?). People don't realize it because Healing Ward is OP due to it being literally broken.
Personally I wouldn't mind the nerfs AS LONG AS THEY LET US HAVE OUR ARMOR RATING WHILE SHIELDED!
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LOL Sorcs are the only class that can shield stack while still having extreme damage and mobility on top of crazy high magicka regen.LOL "Sorc shield stacking" as if they are the only class that can do it.
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