People who say sorc shield arent Op LOL

Merlin13KAGL · August 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

As a Dragonknight. 70cp around 1.6. Not using healing ward or barrier. If healing ward were used appropriately it would be over 140k.

Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar while dealing nasty damage too though. I don't think there's any argument that the Sorcerer's ward should scale off of health instead of a dps stat like magicka.

@Lionxoft , so, to be clear, you're saying there are Sorcs out there capable of 140k Healing ward?

That's a ~50k healing ward at full health (the 300% only kicks in based on health lost)

There's no argument about scaling off of HP, just ask any non-magicka build. The shield is there to make up for a deficiency (You know, when all LA wearers got *** via 1.6 and MA/HA got free spell resist), not make already tanky/high HP builds even stronger.

And OP, and your pointless thread, see PTS for changes to come. Use search feature to better understand how to play your own class.

Anzriel · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Matem wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.

It's funny how 6+ months ago someone said the same thing about dks.

It's funny how dk's got nerfed to the ground.

Not really. DKs are still very viable in pvp.

Viable not as viable as nb's or sorc though it's why everyone rerolls to a sorc or nb.

70% of people in pvp are sorc or nb currently.

DKs are fine in pvp, this is clearly a case of trolling or l2p. Yes sorc and NB are better, but not by this massive amount people seem to think. People ALWAYS roll to the FotM. That doesn't make them good. Yes sorc/nb need tuning down, or dk/templar up but shields being crittable 'should' help quite a bit. Let's see how that changes things before we fly off the handle. Btw did you know 90% of all statistics are made up?

markt84 · August 2015

FelixTheCatt wrote: »

So basically nerf any class you yourself aren't playing as? PvP "such n such class is op" threads are so outdated. There's always going to be some sort of inbalance between classes. As long as theres been pvp , this has always been true , always will be. Eventually things will swing your way and it'll be the other way around. Yes , I am a sorcerer , but I promise you I couldn't pvp my way out of a wet sack. Skill has a bigger role in sucessful pvp than any one class being op i'm willing to bet.

Then your build sucks

Lionxoft · August 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

As a Dragonknight. 70cp around 1.6. Not using healing ward or barrier. If healing ward were used appropriately it would be over 140k.

Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar while dealing nasty damage too though. I don't think there's any argument that the Sorcerer's ward should scale off of health instead of a dps stat like magicka.

@Lionxoft , so, to be clear, you're saying there are Sorcs out there capable of 140k Healing ward?

That's a ~50k healing ward at full health (the 300% only kicks in based on health lost)

There's no argument about scaling off of HP, just ask any non-magicka build. The shield is there to make up for a deficiency (You know, when all LA wearers got *** via 1.6 and MA/HA got free spell resist), not make already tanky/high HP builds even stronger.

And OP, and your pointless thread, see PTS for changes to come. Use search feature to better understand how to play your own class.

@Merlin13KAGL

You didn't comprehend the first sentence at all. The image is a Dragonknight (obviously) and it was stated in the first part of the post. Pretty boldly stated as well if I might add. Healing ward was mentioned because the bubble stack could be even higher for the example shown in my image. Lastly, I mentioned Sorcs only because of the fact that they can scale their damage while increasing the strength of their anti-crit bubble.

Here's a public school directory for the US if you want to revisit grade one. Just trying to help.

http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/

Tankqull · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Matem wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.

It's funny how 6+ months ago someone said the same thing about dks.

It's funny how dk's got nerfed to the ground.

Not really. DKs are still very viable in pvp.

Viable not as viable as nb's or sorc though it's why everyone rerolls to a sorc or nb.

70% of people in pvp are sorc or nb currently.

when i see larger pvp groups they consists to 40% of dks another 40-50% of templars and the rest are your so mighty sorcs and nbs ... there seems to be some disparity in your perception and the actual numbers...

FelixTheCatt · August 2015

markt84 wrote: »

FelixTheCatt wrote: »

So basically nerf any class you yourself aren't playing as? PvP "such n such class is op" threads are so outdated. There's always going to be some sort of inbalance between classes. As long as theres been pvp , this has always been true , always will be. Eventually things will swing your way and it'll be the other way around. Yes , I am a sorcerer , but I promise you I couldn't pvp my way out of a wet sack. Skill has a bigger role in sucessful pvp than any one class being op i'm willing to bet.

Then your build sucks

No my issue would be , if you read my post , that I was basically saying I suck at pvp. I'm not a pvp'er in this game at all. Too embarassed to try it. I'd be the one sorcerer that'd make the class look bad i'm sure. ><

Merlin13KAGL · August 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

As a Dragonknight. 70cp around 1.6. Not using healing ward or barrier. If healing ward were used appropriately it would be over 140k.

Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar while dealing nasty damage too though. I don't think there's any argument that the Sorcerer's ward should scale off of health instead of a dps stat like magicka.

@Lionxoft , so, to be clear, you're saying there are Sorcs out there capable of 140k Healing ward?

That's a ~50k healing ward at full health (the 300% only kicks in based on health lost)

There's no argument about scaling off of HP, just ask any non-magicka build. The shield is there to make up for a deficiency (You know, when all LA wearers got *** via 1.6 and MA/HA got free spell resist), not make already tanky/high HP builds even stronger.

And OP, and your pointless thread, see PTS for changes to come. Use search feature to better understand how to play your own class.

@Merlin13KAGL

You didn't comprehend the first sentence at all. The image is a Dragonknight (obviously) and it was stated in the first part of the post. Pretty boldly stated as well if I might add. Healing ward was mentioned because the bubble stack could be even higher for the example shown in my image. Lastly, I mentioned Sorcs only because of the fact that they can scale their damage while increasing the strength of their anti-crit bubble.

Here's a public school directory for the US if you want to revisit grade one. Just trying to help.
http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/

@Lionxoft , The part I was referring to was this:

Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar

But thanks for not being a complete jackass.

/sarcasm

P.S. I didn't realize "Writing Comprehension" was a thing. You've proven me wrong.

markt84 · August 2015

The last 2 times I played PvP, I have fought 2 v14 sorcs. The first time there was only 8 of us, and it took about 10 mins of him self healing, throwing up shield, doing bat swarm, and doing mist while he was being constantly attack, and he killed us all. The second time it was 10 of us at first with a constant borage of attacks, he was doing the same thing until 5 more guys showed up and were finally able to get his health down enough that when we got through the shield for the 10th time, we could kill him fast enough so he couldn't use the shield again. Sorc shield plus shield a rediculous amount of CPs equals op.

DenMoria · August 2015

I love that this whole complaint pivots on the argument that: If I can't gank them immediately, the must be OP'd. I can think of a LOT of Templars and DK's that I, if I adopted this attitude, should immediately be nerfed, by at least 50% on all their abilities.

Get over it. Those of us who play classes that don't have the astounding DPS, armor, overpowered weaponry and health & stamina overages of the "warrior" classes need our powers and defenses as well.

One of my favorite arguments is that NB's are OP because they use stealth and deal you damage without you knowing they're there. Isn't that the point? What good would a nightblade be without those abilities?

Anzriel · August 2015

markt84 wrote: »

The last 2 times I played PvP, I have fought 2 v14 sorcs. The first time there was only 8 of us, and it took about 10 mins of him self healing, throwing up shield, doing bat swarm, and doing mist while he was being constantly attack, and he killed us all. The second time it was 10 of us at first with a constant borage of attacks, he was doing the same thing until 5 more guys showed up and were finally able to get his health down enough that when we got through the shield for the 10th time, we could kill him fast enough so he couldn't use the shield again. Sorc shield plus shield a rediculous amount of CPs equals op.

You couldn't kill him 10 vs 1? FYI this doesn't help your argument, it just makes you look like a baddie who can't pvp. Also that is an extreme example, assuming you're at least an average player he either A ) is very good, B ) The cp gap was massive, and this is another argument not being talked about in this thread or C ) you're lying about the numbers and it was a much smaller mob. Was this on live? Because once bugs are fixed shields are nerfed, on top of that they're crittable. It seems pointless to make an argument on LIVE due to the fact we already know nerfs are coming for shields. This is why I keep saying waiting until the PTS update and see how shields do when they're crittable, then if they need some tweaking you can do it from there, not from a rule set we know won't be the case in a month.

Kammakazi · August 2015

They aren't OP.

The reason why they are effective on some players you see is because of the amount of CPs they have and the build they run.

My V3 Sorcerer is my main and I can easily stack Harness Magicka + Hardened Ward but it gets taken out way too quickly (obviously because of my gear + CPs)

FelixTheCatt · August 2015

I was under the impression shield was being nerfed anyways , so isn't the point moot in the first place? I may be wrong as I don't read up much on these thing as I should.

Vahrokh · August 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

As a Dragonknight. 70cp around 1.6. Not using healing ward or barrier. If healing ward were used appropriately it would be over 140k.

Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar while dealing nasty damage too though. I don't think there's any argument that the Sorcerer's ward should scale off of health instead of a dps stat like magicka.

Yes, very clever. Make the class totally dependent on magicka scale their stuff on the stat they have lowest of any class and scaling worse than any other class.

markt84 · August 2015

Vahrokh wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

As a Dragonknight. 70cp around 1.6. Not using healing ward or barrier. If healing ward were used appropriately it would be over 140k.

Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar while dealing nasty damage too though. I don't think there's any argument that the Sorcerer's ward should scale off of health instead of a dps stat like magicka.

Yes, very clever. Make the class totally dependent on magicka scale their stuff on the stat they have lowest of any class and scaling worse than any other class.

Why so sorc have the lowest health of any class?

Junipus · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Sorc shields are only OP if you don't know how to fight them.

Magicka based? Use harness magicka/healing ward.
DK? Use flappy wings
Stamina based? Wait and nuke them down
BE away and you're not a sorc? Let them. No point running after them then complaining you can't kill them.

*sigh* here we go.

You can't reflect everything.

Stamina - Wait for what for them to easily recast as their spamming you with frags and curse?

BE - No one should be able to escape a fight so easy, sorc do this all the time when getting a farm they'll siege from the towers and still manage to get away from 40+ people because they'll bolt so fast.

No you can't reflect everything, but that means you have to play smart.

If you're stamina and expect to beat them by charging in and swinging your big sword/axe/club wildly then you're not going to survive. You have to play smart.

BE - That's what sorcs have, it's why they have no good class heals and most sorcs with large shields have less than 18k health. If they run away then let them instead of running after them only for them to kill you. You have to play smart.

See a pattern emerging here?

markt84 · August 2015

Anzriel wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

The last 2 times I played PvP, I have fought 2 v14 sorcs. The first time there was only 8 of us, and it took about 10 mins of him self healing, throwing up shield, doing bat swarm, and doing mist while he was being constantly attack, and he killed us all. The second time it was 10 of us at first with a constant borage of attacks, he was doing the same thing until 5 more guys showed up and were finally able to get his health down enough that when we got through the shield for the 10th time, we could kill him fast enough so he couldn't use the shield again. Sorc shield plus shield a rediculous amount of CPs equals op.

You couldn't kill him 10 vs 1? FYI this doesn't help your argument, it just makes you look like a baddie who can't pvp. Also that is an extreme example, assuming you're at least an average player he either A ) is very good, B ) The cp gap was massive, and this is another argument not being talked about in this thread or C ) you're lying about the numbers and it was a much smaller mob. Was this on live? Because once bugs are fixed shields are nerfed, on top of that they're crittable. It seems pointless to make an argument on LIVE due to the fact we already know nerfs are coming for shields. This is why I keep saying waiting until the PTS update and see how shields do when they're crittable, then if they need some tweaking you can do it from there, not from a rule set we know won't be the case in a month.

I'm a temp and not great at dps, but yes 8 of us got whipped by 1 dude because the shield takes forever to get taken down, somehow he was self healing, using bat swarm to regain resources to but shield back up, while throwing down meteors to kill us one by one. Now the guy is really god, but it doesn't change the fact the shield allowed him to withstand a constant attack from 10 people, until more guys showed up to kill him.
It was not on live, but on consoles and the dude had to be a transfer with an insane amount of CPs. So I agree it probably has a lot to do with CPs, but no way a sorc should be a tankiest class in the game. You see a PC transfer sourc vamp, it's like having a boss battle. The do an insane amount of damage while taking an insane amount of damage, no trade off at all. And shields are taking a hit, but isn't damage taking the same hit? So it will be the same outcome, the fight will just last a lot longer. I mean it got to the point we weren't thing about throwing a siege up on the guy

leepalmer95 · August 2015

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Sorc shields are only OP if you don't know how to fight them.

Magicka based? Use harness magicka/healing ward.
DK? Use flappy wings
Stamina based? Wait and nuke them down
BE away and you're not a sorc? Let them. No point running after them then complaining you can't kill them.

*sigh* here we go.

You can't reflect everything.

Stamina - Wait for what for them to easily recast as their spamming you with frags and curse?

BE - No one should be able to escape a fight so easy, sorc do this all the time when getting a farm they'll siege from the towers and still manage to get away from 40+ people because they'll bolt so fast.

No you can't reflect everything, but that means you have to play smart.

If you're stamina and expect to beat them by charging in and swinging your big sword/axe/club wildly then you're not going to survive. You have to play smart.

BE - That's what sorcs have, it's why they have no good class heals and most sorcs with large shields have less than 18k health. If they run away then let them instead of running after them only for them to kill you. You have to play smart.

See a pattern emerging here?

So if a sorc see's there losing and decide to run, thats it? Because they can.

No other class can do that, well nb's can i guess but temp/dk aren't that lucky.

DenMoria wrote: »

I love that this whole complaint pivots on the argument that: If I can't gank them immediately, the must be OP'd. I can think of a LOT of Templars and DK's that I, if I adopted this attitude, should immediately be nerfed, by at least 50% on all their abilities.

Get over it. Those of us who play classes that don't have the astounding DPS, armor, overpowered weaponry and health & stamina overages of the "warrior" classes need our powers and defenses as well.

One of my favorite arguments is that NB's are OP because they use stealth and deal you damage without you knowing they're there. Isn't that the point? What good would a nightblade be without those abilities?

I play a dk with light armor? , so my ranges abilities consist off mage guild and dest line.

Armor is useless in pvp as everyone uses sharpened.

Gank? no one mentioned ganking, this threads about the fact sorc have insane shields that can be re apply'd so easy. Also the fact if they feel like it they can leave a fight when ever they wish.

I'm a fire dk, i don't have insane dmg/armor/stamina etc... i also don't have insane shields and a teleport that can't be caught up.

Eriquito3 · August 2015

Imo shields shouldn't stack.

I think the effectiveness of the shields should increase and shield stacking should be removed.
If you try to stack a shield the effect of the previous shield is removed when a new one is activated.

Just my opinion. What do you guy think about that?

JacksonCarter13 · August 2015

The major proble with sorcs right now is fairly simple. I can out play them out dps them and still survive. 3 minutes later I've been literally smacking a sorc over and over with them obviously just hitting hardened and healing ward over and over. This doesn't take skill this isn't inpressive it's actually fairly embarrassing. At the same time they then can output more dps
Than me and have more shields but I out play them and still win. The class needs to take more skill other than this sad use of the meta sorc just run away and use shields. And if they can't win they just run half way across the map and hide until it's safe to come out. Oh and @zos we both know that you buffed sorcs in IC in a major way.... Didn't take care of shield stacking infact you made it stronger just because they can no longer streak away at free will they need a buff... Where's the logic here

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Eriquito3 wrote: »

Imo shields shouldn't stack.

I think the effectiveness of the shields should increase and shield stacking should be removed.
If you try to stack a shield the effect of the previous shield is removed when a new one is activated.

Just my opinion. What do you guy think about that?

or just have diminishing returns first shield is meant to give 12k it gives 12k
Second shield is meant to give 8k instead gives 4k?

Just anything so they can't insta recast 25k shields.

DenMoria · August 2015

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

The major proble with sorcs right now is fairly simple. I can out play them out dps them and still survive. 3 minutes later I've been literally smacking a sorc over and over with them obviously just hitting hardened and healing ward over and over. This doesn't take skill this isn't inpressive it's actually fairly embarrassing. At the same time they then can output more dps
Than me and have more shields but I out play them and still win. The class needs to take more skill other than this sad use of the meta sorc just run away and use shields. And if they can't win they just run half way across the map and hide until it's safe to come out. Oh and @zos we both know that you buffed sorcs in IC in a major way.... Didn't take care of shield stacking infact you made it stronger just because they can no longer streak away at free will they need a buff... Where's the logic here

Well... we sorcerers aren't exactly known for our bravery, are we? To me it's basically, rush in; do as much damage as possible while taking as little as possible; and run away. Rinse and repeat. At least that's the way I play. My sorcerers are no heroes.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

The major proble with sorcs right now is fairly simple. I can out play them out dps them and still survive. 3 minutes later I've been literally smacking a sorc over and over with them obviously just hitting hardened and healing ward over and over. This doesn't take skill this isn't inpressive it's actually fairly embarrassing. At the same time they then can output more dps
Than me and have more shields but I out play them and still win. The class needs to take more skill other than this sad use of the meta sorc just run away and use shields. And if they can't win they just run half way across the map and hide until it's safe to come out. Oh and @zos we both know that you buffed sorcs in IC in a major way.... Didn't take care of shield stacking infact you made it stronger just because they can no longer streak away at free will they need a buff... Where's the logic here

Well... we sorcerers aren't exactly known for our bravery, are we? To me it's basically, rush in; do as much damage as possible while taking as little as possible; and run away. Rinse and repeat. At least that's the way I play. My sorcerers are no heroes.

and that shouldn't be a way to play, your shield lets you survive when you rush in, you can put of a lot of dps because your shield and dps go off magicka and then you can escape any time you want.

Lionxoft · August 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

As a Dragonknight. 70cp around 1.6. Not using healing ward or barrier. If healing ward were used appropriately it would be over 140k.

Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar while dealing nasty damage too though. I don't think there's any argument that the Sorcerer's ward should scale off of health instead of a dps stat like magicka.

@Lionxoft , so, to be clear, you're saying there are Sorcs out there capable of 140k Healing ward?

That's a ~50k healing ward at full health (the 300% only kicks in based on health lost)

There's no argument about scaling off of HP, just ask any non-magicka build. The shield is there to make up for a deficiency (You know, when all LA wearers got *** via 1.6 and MA/HA got free spell resist), not make already tanky/high HP builds even stronger.

And OP, and your pointless thread, see PTS for changes to come. Use search feature to better understand how to play your own class.

@Merlin13KAGL

You didn't comprehend the first sentence at all. The image is a Dragonknight (obviously) and it was stated in the first part of the post. Pretty boldly stated as well if I might add. Healing ward was mentioned because the bubble stack could be even higher for the example shown in my image. Lastly, I mentioned Sorcs only because of the fact that they can scale their damage while increasing the strength of their anti-crit bubble.

Here's a public school directory for the US if you want to revisit grade one. Just trying to help.
http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/

@Lionxoft , The part I was referring to was this:

Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar

But thanks for not being a complete jackass.

/sarcasm

P.S. I didn't realize "Writing Comprehension" was a thing. You've proven me wrong.

You're quoting something that was never stated? Nice. Don't be so willing to showcase your shortcomings, Merlin. My guess is you're an upset sorcerer in defense mode hoping that ZOS does not see the rational change. Sorc's ward scaling off of an offensive stat such as magicka is pure idiocy. I figured that was fairly clear in my example but then again I wasn't posting for the potato heads in the crowd.

Just in case you weren't aware the definition of "comprehend" is listed below. Always trying to help.

com·pre·hend
[ˌkämpriˈhend]
VERB
grasp mentally; understand:

Rook_Master · August 2015

One of these is not like the other:

1. DK: Obsidian Shield: Scales off Max Health
2. Templar: Blazing Shield: Scales off Max Health
3. Sorc: Hardened Ward: Scales off Max Magicka

OGLezard · August 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

One of these is not like the other:

1. DK: Obsidian Shield: Scales off Max Health
2. Templar: Blazing Shield: Scales off Max Health
3. Sorc: Hardened Ward: Scales off Max Magicka

One of these also doesnt do damage when it expires............ in case you didnt know

leepalmer95 · August 2015

OGLezard wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

One of these is not like the other:

1. DK: Obsidian Shield: Scales off Max Health
2. Templar: Blazing Shield: Scales off Max Health
3. Sorc: Hardened Ward: Scales off Max Magicka

One of these also doesnt do damage when it expires............ in case you didnt know

The equivalent of a light attack, also with obsidian most people use igneous because you know, you use Obsidian shield because you want a shield not to do dmg.

Stikato · August 2015

OGLezard wrote: »

One of these also doesnt do damage when it expires............ in case you didnt know

The only way that the damage of Blazing Shield can be used in an argument, is to make the case for a buff to Blazing Shield.

Eshelmen · August 2015

The only abiltity Sorc is OP for, is that flash thing.
In and out teleport as much as they please. As a Templar and DK, I have literally nothing to "Bounce" out a fight.

When a zerg is in front of you as a sorc? No problem, dash away like nothing.

When a zerg is coming at you as a Templar? Just bend over already and let it in without a fight.... literally

But I'm not complaining, I've destroyed many sorcs.

Lionxoft · August 2015

Eshelmen wrote: »

The only abiltity Sorc is OP for, is that flash thing.
In and out teleport as much as they please. As a Templar and DK, I have literally nothing to "Bounce" out a fight.

When a zerg is in front of you as a sorc? No problem, dash away like nothing.

When a zerg is coming at you as a Templar? Just bend over already and let it in without a fight.... literally

But I'm not complaining, I've destroyed many sorcs.

So have console players caught up with the PC community yet? Gameplay is looking pretty slow in PvP videos on YouTube.

DaveTheMinion · August 2015

The problem with PVP

Yeah I killed you, "I am a god! Worship me"

WHAT! how did you kill me? I hate the lag in this game, and people who cheat by using exploits!

Sometimes you win and sometimes you loose. GET OVER IT!