MaximusDargus wrote: »

I see vatter is spitting false facts in every topic about unjustified nerf to stamina regen

Unjustified ubernerfs like "0 stamina regen while blocking" happens when ZOS listens to 1% of blase elite, gross on CP and best gear who will advocate for changes just because "they will adapt" ignoring the fact that beside their own faces, there is 99% of community left.

There is no problem when ZOS decides to give new hard and difficult content to people who are bored with everything there is currently.

But there is a BIG PROBLEM when ZOS decides to ubernerf evey tank in ESO just to artificially make every old content difficult, with an unjustified nerf to the core part of every party. Nerfing tanks and their stamina regen. By doing so they ignore the whole playerbase who does not have perfect skills, perfect gear and perfect cookie cutter builds and didnt grind their teeths down on earning CP.

Im terrified that so far, only feedback to player concerns that ZOS gave, is ALWAYS related to IC PVP content, TV stones and all things related to PVP.

It seems that even ZOS forgot that beside IC, this update also contains a "base game patch" that changes a lot of things, and some of them, just like ubernerf to stamina regen, is not necessary and unjustified. And they are not reacting in any visible way to feedback of those who are most hurt with this nerf, the real tanks of ESO (not fake tanks, dpses with sword and board and damage builds).

And only justification they give is that "they want to make tanking more attactive" and some mysterious dev team apparently "tested all old content and declared its playable". Apparently zos thinks tanking is boring? Well this is false, just like many people proved with anti "0 stam regen" threads. Not to mention that in ZOS QA video, the devs who played it..... noone was actually tanking.

To everyone claiming that tanking is boring. Tanking right now in live is nothing near boring.

They are usually the last one standing when whole group goes down. They are capable of resing people even if attacked by multiple mobs while standing in AOE. They can survive alone long enough to charge an ultimate with high damage shield (leap or magma shell) and bring whole party back to game.

But not anymore. Thanks to ZOS "0 stamina regen while blocking" now every bit of tank stamina will be precious and spent only on blocking attacks. No more rolling, no more dodging, no more sprinting to save party members who went down.
Only NOW thanks to "0 stamina regen while blocking" nerf, tanking will become boring and will be reduced to
- block, taunt, stick your eyes to stamina meter to see when you are about to die, try to throw in heavy attack for stam regen-> too bad there was lag and one of 5 mobs attacking you got his attack trought -> you are dead

If you think its not true, and you still are a tank then you probably spent last 50 dungeon runs with your special selected group of perfect DPSes and Healers doing your perfect runs and your group chat was full of "FTC report player X on enemy Y DPS OVER 10/20/30k!!". This is not tanking, its tagging along. It just asks itself, what is the true reason why some people claim that tanking is boring, and maybe its quite opposite, maybe its because the DPS are overfeed and have so high damage.

Also to everyone claiming this game is too easy. Maybe if you didnt spent last months farming CP after CP, getting best possible gear and running every dungeon in your perfect group of friends, maybe then you wouldnt complain after running vet banished cells that "OMGIENOE CONTENT TOO EASY". Look how silly you look when after so much experience you claim something became too easy, while you think only in the category of "Me and myself". This is plain selfish. Try running a 100% pug with people who never been in that dungeon, see how "boring" tanking is.

Not to mention second false accusation that people are using to advocate for this unjustified nerf, the false statement "Tanks are OP in PVP" and "blockcasting". Some people apparently think everyone who wears sword and board is a tank. I dont have to explain how wrong is that. A full magicka/stam dps build just because he equips sword and board, he is not a tank. It seems the only reason why people complain about tanks in PVP is the fact that overgrown ego of PVPers cant stand the fact that someone survived their "must die one hit KO" assassination attempt. So now they are ganking on forums for true PVE tanks and try to do everything to push this unjustified nerf to live server.

Thanks to the last, PVP DPS see a personal gain in making sure that every tank in ESO will be crippled with unjustified nerf. So we will see a lot of people voting here who have nothing to do with tanking but they will vote just vote for what is good for them and giggle at others misfortune, making tanks even more miserable in PVP than they are now (they only thing tanks have in pvp is defence, and now even this is being taken away). Not to mention people who live with illusion that they are tanks (while they have DPS build and just wear off sword and board), and last but not least people who have nothing to do with tanking, never tanked and they just say what they think they see.

Kulvar wrote: »

Actually, it's on public test server. It's not written in stone.
So, gathering data for ZOS could make them rethink it.

Also, two ideas have been bring as alternate solutions. Because if ZOS want to nerf it, it's because they think it's a problem.
- Preventing to use skills while blocking (which is a "hard nerf" that cannot be scale precisely)
- A less strong nerf to stamina regen while blocking (halving it, further adjustement could be made later if needed)

If I despise unnecessary hard nerf, I'm totally fond of solutions and their testing. I think nerf should be done with parcimony and I favor the second suggested solution because it let ZOS tune more precisely the nerf according to gathered data and further change in other areas.

A third solution I haven't seen is to increase the stamina and magicka cost of skills while blocking. It's similar to the second solution, but impact directly the "burst" ability while blocking. It will lead to a "you can't burst while blocking". And this solution is also adjustable. It could vary from +50% to +150%
The malus can be split between magicka and stamina skills to balance them individually.

Ezareth wrote: »

Baphomet wrote: »

Speaking of the live server right now, block-casting isn't really that big of a problem in PvP - there are other disgusting issues which are much more disruptive to the balance, but they aren't getting addressed, so why bash on block-casting when it is actually one of the few things that holds the balance reasonably well together with the game's high burst damage?

Blocking has several counters - luminous shards, streak, fear, fossilize for instance - so all classes already have an anti-blocking mechanism.

Please don't put this system in yet - see how the other changes to shields, healing and damage handle before you break things more than you have to.

You didn't have to fight a terrible DK Emperor who didn't do anything but hold block and spam bats I take it. 12 people beating on him, several beams, soul assaults, me fearing every time his cc immunity wore off and wrecking block spamming and it would take 5-10 minutes of focused assault to kill him and less than zero skill on his part.

Streak doesn't go through block. The only thing sorcs have that go through block still that I know is Mages wrath (lol).

However I agree the *implementation* of this change is absurd and it really takes the fun out of combat in 2.1. If the goal was to eliminate perma-blockers they succeeded....along with eliminating bashing and blocking in general. May as well have removed dodge roll as well considering how low damage is right now. Why bother?