Block builds are way to gimp now

DDuke · August 2015

cmabouaf wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

I agree with sabre. You shouldn't be able to hold block permanently and still be able to dish out damage, while you are taking like 50% less. Or whatever the mitigation is 50 or 60 something like that.

ZoS wants blocking and rolling to be something that you use when you need to. Not something you spam. If you see a sorc with a frag proc, you block it. If you see someone uppercutting you, you block it or dodge it, then move out of the way. That's how ZoS wants you to play.

well blab, you as a templar have self heals, you have a class based shield despite how *** it is. Us nbs? cloak that is still fucken broken and swallow soul which is the shittiest self heal in the game. yes we deal dmg, but god, i excepted classes to be even. nbs are only good because the dmg we dish out, not because of our sustains at all. You shouldn't be so biased and one sided, im preety sure ive never seen you on a nb. Not all of us wanna play like complete ***

So you never played a rollerblade on live?
Or a sap tank?

If you want to block forever, then equip heavy armour.
If you want to deal damage, then equip medium armour or light armour.

No more leather wearing "tanks" thank you.

cmabouaf · August 2015

DDuke wrote: »

cmabouaf wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

I agree with sabre. You shouldn't be able to hold block permanently and still be able to dish out damage, while you are taking like 50% less. Or whatever the mitigation is 50 or 60 something like that.

ZoS wants blocking and rolling to be something that you use when you need to. Not something you spam. If you see a sorc with a frag proc, you block it. If you see someone uppercutting you, you block it or dodge it, then move out of the way. That's how ZoS wants you to play.

well blab, you as a templar have self heals, you have a class based shield despite how *** it is. Us nbs? cloak that is still fucken broken and swallow soul which is the shittiest self heal in the game. yes we deal dmg, but god, i excepted classes to be even. nbs are only good because the dmg we dish out, not because of our sustains at all. You shouldn't be so biased and one sided, im preety sure ive never seen you on a nb. Not all of us wanna play like complete ***

So you never played a rollerblade on live?
Or a sap tank?

If you want to block forever, then equip heavy armour.
If you want to deal damage, then equip medium armour or light armour.

No more leather wearing "tanks" thank you.

the real only class that abused shielding to become "OP" was DK's, zenimax shouldve come up with a nerf for that on its own. never did sap tanking, dont even know wtf rollerblading is, had a build i liked to using that wasnt some abusive magika blocking build, cant deal dmg with sword and board with medium armor equiped now, no benefits, forced to become a magika build with sword and board or a heavy build, now its even less balanced

OGLezard · August 2015

I welcome the change to permablockcasterderps, but I think they did it completely wrong. The EASIER fix and the RIGHT fix was to make it so you CANT cast skills while blocking........ THAT would of been the best way to go about it. Since they want people to DROP block once in a while instead of taping down that button and laughing at people trying to do damage. I welcome the change of no longer seeing the masses of pvpers running around with sword and shield.

Saturn · August 2015

DDuke wrote: »

cmabouaf wrote: »

I know zenimax probably didn't think of this, but those of us who wanted to do a medium armor sword and board build are now losing the one benefit we got from our medium armor which was stam recovery. Now we are required to choose heavy armor for damage mitigation or drop sword and board all together. There are now hardly any perks of running medium armor as a potential damage mitigator. This nerf is creating a huge dichotomy between unique builds in this game. I suggest nerf stam recovery by 50% while blocking, or have an increased block cost, or have no changes.
In addition, many of us do not have the ping to block single attacks on time. I suggest zenimax, that you do some game tests 5000+ miles away from your servers and see how easy it is.

Because you should totally be tanking in medium armour... right...

Why not just bring back the light armour tank meta from Launch->1.5 while we're at it?

If you want to tank with S&B, equip heavy armour. If you want to deal dmg with S&B, equip medium armour.

You can't do both, and that's just as it should be.

Something I will say, what Cmabouaf aka "Lemur" here does right now on Live server is pretty unique, medium armour tank / damage dealer build that will *** rock your socks off. I have not seen anyone with such a setup and after Update 7 and this block nerf, we will see even less unique builds. One thing is certain though, Lemur here will whoop your ass in a 1v1, I'm willing to bet gold on it

RoamingRiverElk · August 2015

It is not mindless to hold block - it is part of a build and already requires sacrifices to damage. Blocking also stops every time you choose to roll dodge or swap weapons.

As a magicka DK, when many people / npcs are attacking you, there is no choice but to permablock, if they are doing a lot of damage, because it is impossible to always see when someone is going to do a huge dmg attack (from stealth, behind you, or instahit dmg).

How is permablocking because a lot of people are hitting you any different than cloaking or using damage shields? One doesn't use cloak and damage shields that selectively then either. Those skills are used when it's necessary, too.

What this nerf does in PvP is render a lot of builds useless, limiting our choices when it comes to builds, or even, classes, played. I was waiting for nirn to get changed so I could play on my DK again (because I didn't want to use nirnhoned armor). With this change, it looks like I won't be playing on my DK after the update either... I suppose the nerf isn't a problem as long as you play in a big group. I would, however, love it if there were more classes/builds that were good for small group play, instead of basically just sorcs and nbs.

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Block casting shouldn't have been in the game to begin with..... Just saying

Agreed. Block casting is the real issue here. Besides, magicka builds can still attack and regen while blocking.

And that is my point. Zos Could have just easily grey out skills when blocking to solve perma blockers but instead they do this cause for some odd twisted reason they are very supportive of block casting heance why they left it in the game on purpose.

ZoS get rid of block casting that's the issue it may have sounded good on paper but in action it is a very abused very horrible mechanic that's causing more problems each day it is in.

Xsorus · August 2015

The block change makes Magicka Block Builds the worst defense, and Stamina Block Builds absolutely unplayable in PVP.

That's not a good thing

Glory · August 2015

cmabouaf wrote: »

well blab, you as a templar have self heals, you have a class based shield despite how [snip] it is. Us nbs? cloak that is still fucken broken and swallow soul which is the shittiest self heal in the game. yes we deal dmg, but god, i excepted classes to be even. nbs are only good because the dmg we dish out, not because of our sustains at all. You shouldn't be so biased and one sided, im preety sure ive never seen you on a nb. Not all of us wanna play like complete [snip]

Having played all the classes, nightblade sustain is ridiculously easy as many others have pointed out. People have reached 3k+ regen as well as strong burst potential, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Also, the worst self heal in the game right now is probably crit surge as it has been reworked and continuously been made the laughingstock of sorcerer builds.

Additionally, being rude to someone who disagrees with you is immature and shows that you have to resort to personal attacks unrelated to the topic. Acting like blabafat has played some faceroll class while most have agreed that templar is the worst overall in 1.6. Biased because he hasn't played a NB? I'm pretty sure you don't even have a v14 character who's not a NB.

blabafat · August 2015

cmabouaf wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

I agree with sabre. You shouldn't be able to hold block permanently and still be able to dish out damage, while you are taking like 50% less. Or whatever the mitigation is 50 or 60 something like that.

ZoS wants blocking and rolling to be something that you use when you need to. Not something you spam. If you see a sorc with a frag proc, you block it. If you see someone uppercutting you, you block it or dodge it, then move out of the way. That's how ZoS wants you to play.

well blab, you as a templar have self heals, you have a class based shield despite how *** it is. Us nbs? cloak that is still fucken broken and swallow soul which is the shittiest self heal in the game. yes we deal dmg, but god, i excepted classes to be even. nbs are only good because the dmg we dish out, not because of our sustains at all. You shouldn't be so biased and one sided, im preety sure ive never seen you on a nb. Not all of us wanna play like complete ***

I'm not sure why you are so disrespectful.
"i'm preety sure ive never seen you on a nb. Not all of us wanna play like complete *******"

Really?

I didn't even directly target you. I was talking about how ZoS WANTS blocking and dodge rolling to be used.

Templars have self heals. We have a class based shield. We have an execute that is being nerfed(On live it is OP). What else do we have? Puncturing sweeps? Heals us right? OP?

You are indirectly calling me a *****. I'm not sure HOW you think holding right click 24/7 without running out of stamina is balanced. You bring up 2 things from nbs. Cloak and Swallow Soul. Swallow Soul is a heal over time. Of course it's not like breath of life. Cloak - It doesn't work all the time. But when it does, it's very strong and viable.

You fail to acknowledge that you have the best Ultimates in the game. You have 15% stamina/magicka/health regen passive. You have INSANE single target DPS.

Yeah. You have not seen me on a NB. I don't play a nb on live. I play a Templar. You say it as if nbs are the weakest class in the game.

PS: Watch out for a timeout/ban. I believe swearing is not tolerated on the Forums.

Edited: Forgot that the regen passive was changed.

kaorunandrak · August 2015

OGLezard wrote: »

I welcome the change to permablockcasterderps, but I think they did it completely wrong. The EASIER fix and the RIGHT fix was to make it so you CANT cast skills while blocking........ THAT would of been the best way to go about it. Since they want people to DROP block once in a while instead of taping down that button and laughing at people trying to do damage. I welcome the change of no longer seeing the masses of pvpers running around with sword and shield.

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