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charlmgn
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I'd like to see ZOS give the guild master the ability to blacklist a player's account from future invites to the guild. This would allow the GM to keep out people who have left or been kicked under negative circumstances (such as spying for other guilds) while not restricting the GM's ability to allow his members to invite others. Plus, in the future, the kicked player would no longer be able to just ask for an invite on another character. And after so long, how will the GM or all of his members know who all shouldn't be invited? Adding this ability would fix that, notifying a member who tries to invite a blacklisted player that he has been banned from the guild. Any thoughts?
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  • Savetti
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    This would be nice indeed!
  • mrskinskull
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    charlmgn wrote: »
    I'd like to see ZOS give the guild master the ability to blacklist a player's account from future invites to the guild. This would allow the GM to keep out people who have left or been kicked under negative circumstances (such as spying for other guilds) while not restricting the GM's ability to allow his members to invite others. Plus, in the future, the kicked player would no longer be able to just ask for an invite on another character. And after so long, how will the GM or all of his members know who all shouldn't be invited? Adding this ability would fix that, notifying a member who tries to invite a blacklisted player that he has been banned from the guild. Any thoughts?

    How are jerks getting back into your guild?

    You can make notes on players.
  • UrQuan
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    charlmgn wrote: »
    I'd like to see ZOS give the guild master the ability to blacklist a player's account from future invites to the guild. This would allow the GM to keep out people who have left or been kicked under negative circumstances (such as spying for other guilds) while not restricting the GM's ability to allow his members to invite others. Plus, in the future, the kicked player would no longer be able to just ask for an invite on another character. And after so long, how will the GM or all of his members know who all shouldn't be invited? Adding this ability would fix that, notifying a member who tries to invite a blacklisted player that he has been banned from the guild. Any thoughts?

    How are jerks getting back into your guild?

    You can make notes on players.
    If it's a guild where anyone has the capability to invite new members I could easily see it happening. People might invite someone without having any idea that they were previously members and had caused problems.
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  • redspecter23
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    There are a few things a GM can do to help keep undesirables out of the guild.

    Keep a list either in game with your ignore list and update the notes there with details or just keep a manual list outside the game. Hopefully you don't have so many troublemakers that this list takes too much time to keep updated.

    You can have a new recruit rank with very minimal permissions. You could possibly even have no guild chat usage at this first rank if you're concerned. Use this as an entry level rank and the only real purpose is to note the newest members. The GM/officers simply check the name and promote them to the first member rank at the first opportunity.

    While it would be a very useful tool to have a built in blacklist, I can't see it as something that ZOS would add.
  • Thymos
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    That's why there's a sign up process to get into my guild. We don't just accept anyone, and we have a process to help weed out undesirables. It's not a perfect system that totally prevents trolls from joining, but it does turn away a lot of bads.
    Edited by Thymos on July 31, 2015 2:16AM
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  • UrQuan
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    There are a few things a GM can do to help keep undesirables out of the guild.

    Keep a list either in game with your ignore list and update the notes there with details or just keep a manual list outside the game. Hopefully you don't have so many troublemakers that this list takes too much time to keep updated.

    You can have a new recruit rank with very minimal permissions. You could possibly even have no guild chat usage at this first rank if you're concerned. Use this as an entry level rank and the only real purpose is to note the newest members. The GM/officers simply check the name and promote them to the first member rank at the first opportunity.

    While it would be a very useful tool to have a built in blacklist, I can't see it as something that ZOS would add.
    That's a really good idea @redspecter23 It would be better if there was a built in blacklist, but that's a really good way of dealing with the issue in the absence of one.
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  • charlmgn
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    charlmgn wrote: »
    I'd like to see ZOS give the guild master the ability to blacklist a player's account from future invites to the guild. This would allow the GM to keep out people who have left or been kicked under negative circumstances (such as spying for other guilds) while not restricting the GM's ability to allow his members to invite others. Plus, in the future, the kicked player would no longer be able to just ask for an invite on another character. And after so long, how will the GM or all of his members know who all shouldn't be invited? Adding this ability would fix that, notifying a member who tries to invite a blacklisted player that he has been banned from the guild. Any thoughts?

    How are jerks getting back into your guild?

    You can make notes on players.

    In guild, we see them by their account name, and will see one or more of their character names, depending on how many they log onto while we're there. There's no telling what character they'll be on when they request a re-invite, or even if it's a new one. I can't make notes on every player. I can only make notes on those I ignore or those in my guild or friends list. These people definitely aren't going on my friends list. They're no longer in my guild, and the ignore list is very limited. You run a guild for the past year, and on into the unforeseeable future, how many people does this potentially add up to?

    Keeping a spreadsheet listing these individuals is a limited possibility, and I have one, but it's inefficient, and doesn't keep my officers or other members from inviting them back. Posting a list of names is unacceptable to me because of possible repercussions when members recognize friends on that list, and because it may cause a negative atmosphere in the guild, which I try to avoid.

    And yes, there are other workarounds, such as guild applications (assuming your guild is in a position to enforce those), or only accepting new members vouched by current members, etc. The point is, these are workarounds, and are only useful in this context as such. My suggestion of a blacklist keeps it simple, quick, private, and easy to track and keep updated. Members will only know a potential member is blacklisted if they get the message saying so when they try to invite. Another option I just thought of, maybe the GM can grant some officers the option to override the blacklist.

    Regardless, anything other than adding a blacklist makes this concept more difficult, in my opinion. And I know some are saying it's a good idea but they won't add it. Well, you never know until you ask. And the more people who agree and ask, the more chance they'll add it. Thanks for reading.
  • Kupoking
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    in pvp there are lists of spies or trolls which we dont want in our guild. the officer in charge has to scan new invites on a weekly basis. This feature would simplify.
  • charlmgn
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    in pvp there are lists of spies or trolls which we dont want in our guild. the officer in charge has to scan new invites on a weekly basis. This feature would simplify.

    Definitely. Same basic problem, same application. I PVP on an occasional basis, and don't have a dedicated PVP guild, so I hadn't considered this issue, but you're right. It would definitely be a time saver.
  • EQBallzz
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    It's a good suggestion but I wouldn't hold my breath. A blacklist is a guild tool that is too "advanced" for ESO. Haven't you seen how lacking the tools are for guilds? You can't even protect the guild bank from being robbed so I doubt this will end up on their to do list.
  • charlmgn
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    EQBallzz wrote: »
    It's a good suggestion but I wouldn't hold my breath. A blacklist is a guild tool that is too "advanced" for ESO. Haven't you seen how lacking the tools are for guilds? You can't even protect the guild bank from being robbed so I doubt this will end up on their to do list.

    Their tools have to start somewhere.
  • EQBallzz
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    charlmgn wrote: »
    EQBallzz wrote: »
    It's a good suggestion but I wouldn't hold my breath. A blacklist is a guild tool that is too "advanced" for ESO. Haven't you seen how lacking the tools are for guilds? You can't even protect the guild bank from being robbed so I doubt this will end up on their to do list.

    Their tools have to start somewhere.

    One might assume that but considering the tools (or lack thereof) since beta that would be a bad bet. We still don't even have a functioning guild bank. It still takes multiple tries to access the guild bank because it just sits there "accessing items.." forever and the only way to resolve it is close the window and reopen it multiple times until you can access your items. Items still don't auto stack (how is this still a thing?). This has been going on since early release.

    I think considering the game has been "live" for over a year now and the few tools we have that are still broken should give you an idea of their interest level in providing guild tools. We are also in the age of B2P so unless they can monetize it or it's a major game breaking issue I wouldn't expect to see it.
    Edited by EQBallzz on August 3, 2015 12:56PM
  • Ace_of_Destiny
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    charlmgn wrote: »
    I'd like to see ZOS give the guild master the ability to blacklist a player's account from future invites to the guild. This would allow the GM to keep out people who have left or been kicked under negative circumstances (such as spying for other guilds) while not restricting the GM's ability to allow his members to invite others. Plus, in the future, the kicked player would no longer be able to just ask for an invite on another character. And after so long, how will the GM or all of his members know who all shouldn't be invited? Adding this ability would fix that, notifying a member who tries to invite a blacklisted player that he has been banned from the guild. Any thoughts?

    I like this idea.

    I wish there were a TON more guild functions.
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  • failkiwib16_ESO
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    Hmm I have only had 1 issue in total, in my own guild. 1 issue in a guild I was officer in.

    I remember their account names, and I warn my guildmasters and other officers about them. The guy from my own list will not return, if he does then I will talk to him personally and ask him to kindly leave, if he chooses not to, I will kick him. He tried to scam two close friends of mine.
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    in pvp there are lists of spies or trolls which we dont want in our guild. the officer in charge has to scan new invites on a weekly basis. This feature would simplify.

    It doesn't simplify for the officer having to look at every new invite though, does it?
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  • QuadroTony
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    look for Akick addon

    blacklist future will be aded soon
  • SeptimusDova
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    Have you thought about sending theses baddies to a guildie reeducation and rehabilitation center?
  • charlmgn
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    Epona222 wrote: »
    in pvp there are lists of spies or trolls which we dont want in our guild. the officer in charge has to scan new invites on a weekly basis. This feature would simplify.

    It doesn't simplify for the officer having to look at every new invite though, does it?

    Yes, it does. Instead of having to keep a list, and check against it, the GM (or officer in this case) blacklists the individuals when they are booted. They can invite afterward without having to check because if they invite a blacklisted individual, they'll get a message stating the individual is blacklisted. Much simpler.
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    Have you thought about sending theses baddies to a guildie reeducation and rehabilitation center?

    Maybe they'll include one with the Imperial City. :)
  • MornaBaine
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    QuadroTony wrote: »
    look for Akick addon

    blacklist future will be aded soon

    I thought about this but the downside would be that only the guild owner can use it, correct? Or can everyone with invite privs use it?
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  • EQBallzz
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    MornaBaine wrote: »
    QuadroTony wrote: »
    look for Akick addon

    blacklist future will be aded soon

    I thought about this but the downside would be that only the guild owner can use it, correct? Or can everyone with invite privs use it?

    If it was a ZOS implemented tool it would be guild-wide so anyone who tries to invite that person would get the message. If it's an addon like someone suggested it will only work for the person with the addon. That's why an actual game tool would be preferable for this type of thing.
  • imnotanother
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    I would like to see something like the implemented. It would really help us GMs with protecting the integrity of the guild roster. I have kicked bank thieves, known scammers, and more from the guild and you just can't remember all of their crazy screennames.

    I would also like to see:
    (1)tabs added to the History section so I can separate money deposit from all other deposits.
    (2) Allow larger "About Us" and "MOTD" messages to be typed.
    (3)Guild "Shout out board" 50 post - 140 characters a post.
    (4)Polls
    (5)Raffle Tool - all guilds have a raffle

    Those are dreams and wishes but it would be nice having tools like that instead of having to keep a journal/notebook
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  • snackrat
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    Another idea that sounds great in theory (blacklist bank cleaners, repeat offenders, and abusers) that would be poorly implemented in practice (that sounded vaguely like an insult to something I hold dear. Kick and blacked! Good luck missing all your ex-guildies!)
  • charlmgn
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    QuadroTony wrote: »
    look for Akick addon

    blacklist future will be aded soon

    I'm honestly not excited about adding yet another addon to a continually growing list of addons, and I don't believe addons are a solution when working to get features implemented by the developers.
    I would like to see something like the implemented. It would really help us GMs with protecting the integrity of the guild roster. I have kicked bank thieves, known scammers, and more from the guild and you just can't remember all of their crazy screennames.

    I would also like to see:
    (1)tabs added to the History section so I can separate money deposit from all other deposits.
    (2) Allow larger "About Us" and "MOTD" messages to be typed.
    (3)Guild "Shout out board" 50 post - 140 characters a post.
    (4)Polls
    (5)Raffle Tool - all guilds have a raffle

    Those are dreams and wishes but it would be nice having tools like that instead of having to keep a journal/notebook

    I like your additions. They move toward a more in-depth suite of guild tools, which we definitely need.
  • charlmgn
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    QuadroTony wrote: »
    look for Akick addon

    blacklist future will be aded soon

    I'm really not interested in another addon. It won't work for everyone, it won't interface seamlessly with the native programming, and like all addons, we're at the mercy of the developer's decision to continue playing and/or developing the addon. Addons are a stop-gap. I'm looking for a solution, and that can only be provided by ZOS. Thanks though.
  • QuadroTony
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    you will NEVER get the feature ingame if its DOABLE by addons
    remember my words
    addons its the best way to play, and its the blessing of TESO

    incomng changes to show combat logs and buffs without addos its just neccessary because of concoles only
    Edited by QuadroTony on August 6, 2015 3:36PM
  • QuadroTony
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    I would like to see something like the implemented. It would really help us GMs with protecting the integrity of the guild roster. I have kicked bank thieves, known scammers, and more from the guild and you just can't remember all of their crazy screennames.

    I would also like to see:
    (1)tabs added to the History section so I can separate money deposit from all other deposits.
    (2) Allow larger "About Us" and "MOTD" messages to be typed.
    (3)Guild "Shout out board" 50 post - 140 characters a post.
    (4)Polls
    (5)Raffle Tool - all guilds have a raffle

    Those are dreams and wishes but it would be nice having tools like that instead of having to keep a journal/notebook

    1. already implemented in one addon, so never be added natively
    2. good idea
    3. same
    4. same
    5. same
  • imnotanother
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    QuadroTony wrote: »
    I would like to see something like the implemented. It would really help us GMs with protecting the integrity of the guild roster. I have kicked bank thieves, known scammers, and more from the guild and you just can't remember all of their crazy screennames.

    I would also like to see:
    (1)tabs added to the History section so I can separate money deposit from all other deposits.
    (2) Allow larger "About Us" and "MOTD" messages to be typed.
    (3)Guild "Shout out board" 50 post - 140 characters a post.
    (4)Polls
    (5)Raffle Tool - all guilds have a raffle

    Those are dreams and wishes but it would be nice having tools like that instead of having to keep a journal/notebook

    1. already implemented in one addon, so never be added natively
    2. good idea
    3. same
    4. same
    5. same

    I understand the addons are a solution for PC/MAC but there has to be a huge population of console players that a demand for these tools may cause for them to be implemented.
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  • QuadroTony
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    btw why consoles didnt support addons?
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