@Glantir Yes that is a known issue in end game raids, but not in PvP. As zos try to balance both at once making pve end game better without making sorcerers op in PvP isn't so easy. Part of the issue is probably due to class shield being magicka based providing survivability without a draw back for magicka users and part is that magicka sorcerers have a lot of burst potential.

@DEATHquidox I am all for multiple morphs, and this has been suggested before. I think it would actually be the most elegant solution, but also the most time consuming as all classes would need to be covered, and maybe some other skill lines. As an example of what could be done here look at for passive morphs and a more general discussion request.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167102/sorcerer-skilltrees-a-re-imagining
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/162320/class-skill-morphs-would-be-better-if

Finally when 1.6 hit pts there was a flurry of annoyed stamina sorcerers posting. Now that the improvements are coming, there are again stamina sorcerer threads... saying much the same as before.

Please don't ruin my magicka sorcerer class with your stamina talk

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Please don't ruin my magicka sorcerer class with your stamina talk

Magicka sorc is amazing dont get us wrong bro, but we want stam sorcs to i want to be something original when i hit the battle field.

Stam Sorc was mentioned in the ESO Live today for those who missed it:

Specifically 2 passives mentioned: expert mage will add weapon damage as well for abilities slotted. This is nice - but take into consideration that magicka sorcs slot a lot more sorc skills than a stam sorc does currently simply due to the fact that slotting a magicka skill with 2 magicka morphs has no place on the bar of a stam sorc. If there was more hybrid ability that would be good - but its at least a step in the direction of helping.

The other passive that adds health regen will add some stam regen. This will help both magicka and stam a like, but definately the stam sorcs much more.


Eric W also hinted at something else that is being kept a secret it seems, possibly an active skill morph or something, so we will see.

Thanks for the update @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_EricW

Xael wrote: »

Stack damage set up clueless nerds in caltrops with camo/evil hunter, bunch them up, drop a meteor, streak

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Stam Sorc was mentioned in the ESO Live today for those who missed it:

Specifically 2 passives mentioned: expert mage will add weapon damage as well for abilities slotted. This is nice - but take into consideration that magicka sorcs slot a lot more sorc skills than a stam sorc does currently simply due to the fact that slotting a magicka skill with 2 magicka morphs has no place on the bar of a stam sorc. If there was more hybrid ability that would be good - but its at least a step in the direction of helping.

The other passive that adds health regen will add some stam regen. This will help both magicka and stam a like, but definately the stam sorcs much more.


Eric W also hinted at something else that is being kept a secret it seems, possibly an active skill morph or something, so we will see.

Thanks for the update @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_EricW

That would explain why they completely dodged my question.
As Stam we feel like a class neutral weapon spec with an extremely flat playstyle. Unless this "secret" you mentioned is going to pop in PTS for this 2.1, this is more lack of transparency bs. This passive change shows they don't pay attention to what we are asking let alone understand that we don't slot baseline abilities because they are mostly worthless as Stam.

Just gotta keep pressing the issue to get some more sorc skills on our bar.

I'm glad they're listening and let's hope the one unmentioned thing from ESO Live is a good active skill. @ZOS_RichLambert needs to push Wrobel to make sure the weapon damage in Expert Mage is significant considering we only get 2 max sorc abilities per bar. Stamina builds aren't like magicka builds where we can use 5 to 6 class abilities per bar.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Stam Sorc was mentioned in the ESO Live today for those who missed it:

Specifically 2 passives mentioned: expert mage will add weapon damage as well for abilities slotted. This is nice - but take into consideration that magicka sorcs slot a lot more sorc skills than a stam sorc does currently simply due to the fact that slotting a magicka skill with 2 magicka morphs has no place on the bar of a stam sorc. If there was more hybrid ability that would be good - but its at least a step in the direction of helping.

The other passive that adds health regen will add some stam regen. This will help both magicka and stam a like, but definately the stam sorcs much more.


Eric W also hinted at something else that is being kept a secret it seems, possibly an active skill morph or something, so we will see.

Thanks for the update @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_EricW

This is great news!!!

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

I still have no clue as to why they did not give Stamina Sorcerers Boundless Storm instead. Stamina Sorcerers cannot bolt like Magicka Sorcerers, that movement speed is so valuable to them. Why then give them Thundering Presence? Makes no sense to me.

Hang in there my Sorcerer comrades. :c

Just use quick cloak?

Most Stamina Sorcerers I know do not use dual wield. And as FENGRUSH pointed out, what really makes Boundless Storm beast is the buffs it gives. It makes no sense to give magicka Sorcs both Bolt Escape AND Boundless Storm. Stamina Sorcs would benefit farm more with Boundless Storm.

Boo. Hoo. Take away the magicka abilities that we have been using since beta because you have some selfish sense of entitlement. Nobody has ever used the other morph even magicka sorcs. It's different if you asked for them to be the same but to say screw all the magicka sorcs because we want it for ourselves is very selfish.

I don't have a sense of self-entitlement as I don't play a stamina sorcerer. I'm a magicka sorcerer, yet I feel that since we have the ability to bolt escape far more than stamina sorcerers, that stamina sorcerers deserve boundless storm to be a stamina morph.

Why would stamina sorcerer want to have boundless storm as a stamina morph, though? If we are using it primarily for the speed buff / utility, it better remain a magicka spell so we can use our stamina for actual, your know, stamina sorcerer stuff.

@Alcast I think @Glantir is talking about pve and the relative lack of sorcerers in the leaderboards, which stems from the relative difficultly in getting a really good sorcerer DPS. In PvP however due to sorcerer burst capability and shields they are very powerful.

Of course there are no stamina sorcerers in the leaderboards that I am aware of (and if there are it is not because of, but in spite of, the class) and they are a rarity in PvP and good ones even rarer ( i know of 2 ).

Jar_Ek wrote: »

@Alcast I think @Glantir is talking about pve and the relative lack of sorcerers in the leaderboards, which stems from the relative difficultly in getting a really good sorcerer DPS. In PvP however due to sorcerer burst capability and shields they are very powerful.

Of course there are no stamina sorcerers in the leaderboards that I am aware of (and if there are it is not because of, but in spite of, the class) and they are a rarity in PvP and good ones even rarer ( i know of 2 ).

On EU leaderboards there are quite a few sorcs....

http://esoleaderboards.com/aa.php

Its a l2p issue, I know sorc can get very nice dps..

as @Glantir said, go Overload and voila

Glantir wrote: »

If your group have not enough dps, the fights are longer and on longer fights the sorc dps decrease more than the dps of other classes in my opinion.

you hodor guys deals all amazing dps @Alcast so shorter fights = higher dps ^^

Ye, if you have 9 Sorcs using Overload build then bb boss

Glantir wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Glantir wrote: »

If your group have not enough dps, the fights are longer and on longer fights the sorc dps decrease more than the dps of other classes in my opinion.

you hodor guys deals all amazing dps @Alcast so shorter fights = higher dps ^^

Ye, if you have 9 Sorcs using Overload build then bb boss

hahaha 9 sorcs each about 20k+ dps with overload will kill the Mantikora in under 60 seconds would be a funny run xD. How fast a progress guild kill the Mantikora with a normal setup?

Not sure, havent been in there for 1 Month, stuck in armyservice kinda till mid August,but my guess is75-90s

Plus if you are talking about stamina sorcerers then overload may not be then ultimate of choice due to flawless passive damage or werewolf stamina regen.

Just checking in as well. Why is Rapid Strikes considered a Dot?? It's a channelled ability, not a dot, and it should proc healing with crit surge. Seriously, I never complain about nerfs and balance issues, but this is just, I think, a mis categorization of an ability.

If this makes it to live, I will definitely have to change to 2hander from dual wield.
Dont want to!

Uuughh Rally is still much much much better than Critical Surge in PVP. It isn't even close. I'm walking around IC with 67% crit chance and using Critical Rush too and my healing is like 1/4 of what Rally gives me.