Console: Should text chat be implemented with the IC patch?
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vamp_emily✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yesyes, yes, YES!
I don't play console but i feel your pain, this game should have never been releases without text-chat/zone chat. ZOS please listen to your users. Ok we get it, you added voice chat, and decided not to implement text-chat. I love this game but I think not adding text-chat was the worst dev decision.
If you want a friend, get a dog.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoMirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »snuspresten wrote: »Badgerthechef wrote: »Its A No From Me.
The Consoles Aren't designed for Typing. You'd Spend More Time Finding The Letter To Type Than You Would Actually Messaging.
Connect a keyboard. Problem solved. Go to ebay, 7 pounds / 10 usd. PS Keyboard free shipping from Hong Kong. Problem solved. We NEED the option to choose if we want to use a text chat or not. Warframe has it. This is an even bigger scaled game. No chat HURTS it so much it is painful. No trading. No team communication. No guild communication. It is ridiculous... Audio chat would work great, but 70% don't use it and in big areas it is just a cluster %$#.
respectfully, keyboards don't' just work like that on console.
-In order for a keyboard to work on a game, the developer has to specifically support this and in doing so consider how they want support to function. Specific to Xbox One...today, any text field entry is supported after prompted, and in games that do support using the "ENTER" key to avoid the text pop-up screen those interactions would then require a keyboard.
What's ideal for some isn't ideal for all.
Some play on console to avoid the PC master race gameplay...while others may be open to different opportunities of both.
The proposal being discuss attempts to satisfy everyone and also not interrupt or change what does work.
-The inclusion of a text chat box within the social tab....
what thoughts, ideas do you have on that suggestion?
-Do you have another suggestion that hasn't been discussed that you would like to share with everyone?
You make no sense. Zero. Keyboards are compatible with xbox 1....
Actually no, dont' confuse the Xbox OS with a game running within the Xbox OS.
like on PC, all PC's can use a keyboard but not all applications support key presses the same.
This game is an application running in the Xbox One OS...all games do not support keyboards on Xbox One unless designed to do so.
letters work, but numbers don'tt always...shift and ENTER do and don't work based on the app or game running in the OS.
Thats been the big complaint about Xbox One form day 1
That response make zero sense.
You are just desperately trying to hold on to your view point for whatever reason.
Eso can easily support keyboards. The fact that you even mentioned otherwise is rediculous
Facts:
Xbox One keyboard support was added or rather enhanced here: http://news.xbox.com/2014/02/xbox-one-keeps-getting-better
*That support allows someone to plug in the keyboard and if done so prior to turning on the XBox One, it allows a user to type into text fields which by design are within the Xbox One OS.
This allows developed apps and games to also utilize the current support but that is limited as all the keys on a keyboard and the functions of the keys are not fully supported.
**All games and apps by development do not automatically support keyboard usage.
Other USB on support: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/usb-port-use
More: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/third-party
Here is what people are and were doing in the past (this still continues): http://www.usgamer.net/articles/how-to-use-a-mouse-and-keyboard-for-xbox-one-games
Keyboard works for Neverwinter on Xbox One ... read the entire thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/34qpef/xbox_questions_about_chatting_with_a_keyboard/
Mira,
I have the game...this specific game was developed to allow the ENTER key to work when the USB keyboard was plugged in when the console is turned on. Not by the developer but that's how the Xbox One handles keyboards right now...this game is just a specific example.
IF the USB keyboard is plugged in after the console is turned on the ENTER is not functional and therefore requires us to use the controller to prompt the text entry box which then creates keyboard letter functionality.
That set-up is not ideal and in this game, there linking and interacting in the text box chat requires controller button sacrifices, which is also not ideal
I'm trying to find a best fit for all sides of the conversation..without impacting other ideas that may or may not be implemented regarding controllers and keyboards.
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on July 31, 2015 6:10PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Vulsahdaal✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »
-I'm also not for a text zone chat but could fully support text chat bubbles (with item linking)
But why not text zone chat? Why would zone in particular be an issue?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Another idea is:
On console only:
Open up text chat (not in a text box on the normal UI screen while playing but within a social menu)
-this would function, look and work just like the PC version of text chat with one exception. It's in the social menu
So its only for people who or not currently playing the game? I only use chat for game related issues, so why would I want to talk to them? And a bigger issue, how would I be able to play the game and watch the chat at the same time?
But I suppose it could work though, if we could have a way to place it on our game screen, maybe just stick it in a corner or something, so we can play the game and watch chat at the same time.. Hmmm now if someone could just come up with a way to do this
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoVulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
-I'm also not for a text zone chat but could fully support text chat bubbles (with item linking)
But why not text zone chat? Why would zone in particular be an issue?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Another idea is:
On console only:
Open up text chat (not in a text box on the normal UI screen while playing but within a social menu)
-this would function, look and work just like the PC version of text chat with one exception. It's in the social menu
So its only for people who or not currently playing the game? I only use chat for game related issues, so why would I want to talk to them? And a bigger issue, how would I be able to play the game and watch the chat at the same time?
But I suppose it could work though, if we could have a way to place it on our game screen, maybe just stick it in a corner or something, so we can play the game and watch chat at the same time.. Hmmm now if someone could just come up with a way to do this
Woah....sorry if this was confusing in how I typed it
The proposal is meant to be understood as in-game but not on the game-play UI as a compromise.
The social menu is the game social menu where group, guild, etc are situated.
This was be another item and in such, remove aany button limitations and open this up so someone can have a larger area to follow conversations with multiple options such as.
-text size
-window manipulation
-linking of items from inventory
-whispering to a character name (because by default it goes as a PM to the PS or XBox account outside the game otherwise)
-Some zone functionality, guild and group if desired
Perhaps I should suggest this as a lobby text chat idea.....I'm open to improvements/suggestions and feedback
sorry again if its confusing or miss-typedEdited by NewBlacksmurf on July 31, 2015 6:22PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Mirra_Halfelven✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »snuspresten wrote: »Badgerthechef wrote: »Its A No From Me.
The Consoles Aren't designed for Typing. You'd Spend More Time Finding The Letter To Type Than You Would Actually Messaging.
Connect a keyboard. Problem solved. Go to ebay, 7 pounds / 10 usd. PS Keyboard free shipping from Hong Kong. Problem solved. We NEED the option to choose if we want to use a text chat or not. Warframe has it. This is an even bigger scaled game. No chat HURTS it so much it is painful. No trading. No team communication. No guild communication. It is ridiculous... Audio chat would work great, but 70% don't use it and in big areas it is just a cluster %$#.
respectfully, keyboards don't' just work like that on console.
-In order for a keyboard to work on a game, the developer has to specifically support this and in doing so consider how they want support to function. Specific to Xbox One...today, any text field entry is supported after prompted, and in games that do support using the "ENTER" key to avoid the text pop-up screen those interactions would then require a keyboard.
What's ideal for some isn't ideal for all.
Some play on console to avoid the PC master race gameplay...while others may be open to different opportunities of both.
The proposal being discuss attempts to satisfy everyone and also not interrupt or change what does work.
-The inclusion of a text chat box within the social tab....
what thoughts, ideas do you have on that suggestion?
-Do you have another suggestion that hasn't been discussed that you would like to share with everyone?
You make no sense. Zero. Keyboards are compatible with xbox 1....
Actually no, dont' confuse the Xbox OS with a game running within the Xbox OS.
like on PC, all PC's can use a keyboard but not all applications support key presses the same.
This game is an application running in the Xbox One OS...all games do not support keyboards on Xbox One unless designed to do so.
letters work, but numbers don'tt always...shift and ENTER do and don't work based on the app or game running in the OS.
Thats been the big complaint about Xbox One form day 1
That response make zero sense.
You are just desperately trying to hold on to your view point for whatever reason.
Eso can easily support keyboards. The fact that you even mentioned otherwise is rediculous
Facts:
Xbox One keyboard support was added or rather enhanced here: http://news.xbox.com/2014/02/xbox-one-keeps-getting-better
*That support allows someone to plug in the keyboard and if done so prior to turning on the XBox One, it allows a user to type into text fields which by design are within the Xbox One OS.
This allows developed apps and games to also utilize the current support but that is limited as all the keys on a keyboard and the functions of the keys are not fully supported.
**All games and apps by development do not automatically support keyboard usage.
Other USB on support: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/usb-port-use
More: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/third-party
Here is what people are and were doing in the past (this still continues): http://www.usgamer.net/articles/how-to-use-a-mouse-and-keyboard-for-xbox-one-games
Keyboard works for Neverwinter on Xbox One ... read the entire thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/34qpef/xbox_questions_about_chatting_with_a_keyboard/
Mira,
I have the game...this specific game was developed to allow the ENTER key to work when the USB keyboard was plugged in when the console is turned on. Not by the developer but that's how the Xbox One handles keyboards right now...this game is just a specific example.
IF the USB keyboard is plugged in after the console is turned on the ENTER is not functional and therefore requires us to use the controller to prompt the text entry box which then creates keyboard letter functionality.
That set-up is not ideal and in this game, there linking and interacting in the text box chat requires controller button sacrifices, which is also not ideal
I'm trying to find a best fit for all sides of the conversation..without impacting other ideas that may or may not be implemented regarding controllers and keyboards.
So either leave the usb corded keyboard plugged in , use a wireless usb keyboard, or reboot after you plug the corded keyboard back in ... dont see what the issue is here?Mirra Halfelven, Templar Troublemaker
Daggerfall Covenant - PS4 NA
PSN: Scooby_6090 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoMirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »snuspresten wrote: »Badgerthechef wrote: »Its A No From Me.
The Consoles Aren't designed for Typing. You'd Spend More Time Finding The Letter To Type Than You Would Actually Messaging.
Connect a keyboard. Problem solved. Go to ebay, 7 pounds / 10 usd. PS Keyboard free shipping from Hong Kong. Problem solved. We NEED the option to choose if we want to use a text chat or not. Warframe has it. This is an even bigger scaled game. No chat HURTS it so much it is painful. No trading. No team communication. No guild communication. It is ridiculous... Audio chat would work great, but 70% don't use it and in big areas it is just a cluster %$#.
respectfully, keyboards don't' just work like that on console.
-In order for a keyboard to work on a game, the developer has to specifically support this and in doing so consider how they want support to function. Specific to Xbox One...today, any text field entry is supported after prompted, and in games that do support using the "ENTER" key to avoid the text pop-up screen those interactions would then require a keyboard.
What's ideal for some isn't ideal for all.
Some play on console to avoid the PC master race gameplay...while others may be open to different opportunities of both.
The proposal being discuss attempts to satisfy everyone and also not interrupt or change what does work.
-The inclusion of a text chat box within the social tab....
what thoughts, ideas do you have on that suggestion?
-Do you have another suggestion that hasn't been discussed that you would like to share with everyone?
You make no sense. Zero. Keyboards are compatible with xbox 1....
Actually no, dont' confuse the Xbox OS with a game running within the Xbox OS.
like on PC, all PC's can use a keyboard but not all applications support key presses the same.
This game is an application running in the Xbox One OS...all games do not support keyboards on Xbox One unless designed to do so.
letters work, but numbers don'tt always...shift and ENTER do and don't work based on the app or game running in the OS.
Thats been the big complaint about Xbox One form day 1
That response make zero sense.
You are just desperately trying to hold on to your view point for whatever reason.
Eso can easily support keyboards. The fact that you even mentioned otherwise is rediculous
Facts:
Xbox One keyboard support was added or rather enhanced here: http://news.xbox.com/2014/02/xbox-one-keeps-getting-better
*That support allows someone to plug in the keyboard and if done so prior to turning on the XBox One, it allows a user to type into text fields which by design are within the Xbox One OS.
This allows developed apps and games to also utilize the current support but that is limited as all the keys on a keyboard and the functions of the keys are not fully supported.
**All games and apps by development do not automatically support keyboard usage.
Other USB on support: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/usb-port-use
More: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/third-party
Here is what people are and were doing in the past (this still continues): http://www.usgamer.net/articles/how-to-use-a-mouse-and-keyboard-for-xbox-one-games
Keyboard works for Neverwinter on Xbox One ... read the entire thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/34qpef/xbox_questions_about_chatting_with_a_keyboard/
Mira,
I have the game...this specific game was developed to allow the ENTER key to work when the USB keyboard was plugged in when the console is turned on. Not by the developer but that's how the Xbox One handles keyboards right now...this game is just a specific example.
IF the USB keyboard is plugged in after the console is turned on the ENTER is not functional and therefore requires us to use the controller to prompt the text entry box which then creates keyboard letter functionality.
That set-up is not ideal and in this game, there linking and interacting in the text box chat requires controller button sacrifices, which is also not ideal
I'm trying to find a best fit for all sides of the conversation..without impacting other ideas that may or may not be implemented regarding controllers and keyboards.
So either leave the usb corded keyboard plugged in , use a wireless usb keyboard, or reboot after you plug the corded keyboard back in ... dont see what the issue is here?
I don't want it see it at all...Zenimax has decided not to include it which part of that was the UI (we know this tho)
so I'm suggesting a compromise to help get the idea considered....
Because the text chat feature as an all encompassing approach should have allowances for ideal usage.
The Xbox One has 3 USB ports only.
Most only have 2 available due to external HD usage
so from there 1 is often used to charge or plug in a controller in the event of a battery going low or dead
the other port can be used for other items...keyboards, wireless headset, alt HD for non gaming files, or the TV adapter
The PS4 may differ but our discussion has to work for both PS4 and Xbox One.
This isn't ideal overall to leave it plugged in for one or maybe two games if someone plays two
It isn' ideal to "force" people to buy a keyboard to participate but Smartglass can work if its not on the main UI
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on July 31, 2015 6:33PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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BigMac_Smiley✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »snuspresten wrote: »Badgerthechef wrote: »Its A No From Me.
The Consoles Aren't designed for Typing. You'd Spend More Time Finding The Letter To Type Than You Would Actually Messaging.
Connect a keyboard. Problem solved. Go to ebay, 7 pounds / 10 usd. PS Keyboard free shipping from Hong Kong. Problem solved. We NEED the option to choose if we want to use a text chat or not. Warframe has it. This is an even bigger scaled game. No chat HURTS it so much it is painful. No trading. No team communication. No guild communication. It is ridiculous... Audio chat would work great, but 70% don't use it and in big areas it is just a cluster %$#.
respectfully, keyboards don't' just work like that on console.
-In order for a keyboard to work on a game, the developer has to specifically support this and in doing so consider how they want support to function. Specific to Xbox One...today, any text field entry is supported after prompted, and in games that do support using the "ENTER" key to avoid the text pop-up screen those interactions would then require a keyboard.
What's ideal for some isn't ideal for all.
Some play on console to avoid the PC master race gameplay...while others may be open to different opportunities of both.
The proposal being discuss attempts to satisfy everyone and also not interrupt or change what does work.
-The inclusion of a text chat box within the social tab....
what thoughts, ideas do you have on that suggestion?
-Do you have another suggestion that hasn't been discussed that you would like to share with everyone?
You make no sense. Zero. Keyboards are compatible with xbox 1....
Actually no, dont' confuse the Xbox OS with a game running within the Xbox OS.
like on PC, all PC's can use a keyboard but not all applications support key presses the same.
This game is an application running in the Xbox One OS...all games do not support keyboards on Xbox One unless designed to do so.
letters work, but numbers don'tt always...shift and ENTER do and don't work based on the app or game running in the OS.
Thats been the big complaint about Xbox One form day 1
That response make zero sense.
You are just desperately trying to hold on to your view point for whatever reason.
Eso can easily support keyboards. The fact that you even mentioned otherwise is rediculous
Facts:
Xbox One keyboard support was added or rather enhanced here: http://news.xbox.com/2014/02/xbox-one-keeps-getting-better
*That support allows someone to plug in the keyboard and if done so prior to turning on the XBox One, it allows a user to type into text fields which by design are within the Xbox One OS.
This allows developed apps and games to also utilize the current support but that is limited as all the keys on a keyboard and the functions of the keys are not fully supported.
**All games and apps by development do not automatically support keyboard usage.
Other USB on support: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/usb-port-use
More: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/third-party
Here is what people are and were doing in the past (this still continues): http://www.usgamer.net/articles/how-to-use-a-mouse-and-keyboard-for-xbox-one-games
Keyboard works for Neverwinter on Xbox One ... read the entire thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/34qpef/xbox_questions_about_chatting_with_a_keyboard/
Mira,
I have the game...this specific game was developed to allow the ENTER key to work when the USB keyboard was plugged in when the console is turned on. Not by the developer but that's how the Xbox One handles keyboards right now...this game is just a specific example.
IF the USB keyboard is plugged in after the console is turned on the ENTER is not functional and therefore requires us to use the controller to prompt the text entry box which then creates keyboard letter functionality.
That set-up is not ideal and in this game, there linking and interacting in the text box chat requires controller button sacrifices, which is also not ideal
I'm trying to find a best fit for all sides of the conversation..without impacting other ideas that may or may not be implemented regarding controllers and keyboards.
So either leave the usb corded keyboard plugged in , use a wireless usb keyboard, or reboot after you plug the corded keyboard back in ... dont see what the issue is here?
I don't want it see it at all...Zenimax has decided not to include it which part of that was the UI (we know this tho)
so I'm suggesting a compromise to help get the idea considered....
Because the text chat feature as an all encompassing approach should have allowances for ideal usage.
The Xbox One has 3 USB ports only.
Most only have 2 available due to external HD usage
so from there 1 is often used to charge or plug in a controller in the event of a battery going low or dead
the other port can be used for other items...keyboards, wireless headset, alt HD for non gaming files, or the TV adapter
The PS4 may differ but our discussion has to work for both PS4 and Xbox One.
This isn't ideal overall to leave it plugged in for one or maybe two games if someone plays two
It isn' ideal to "force" people to buy a keyboard to participate but Smartglass can work if its not on the main UI
I think I could be happy with a chat bubble feature where you could create your own phrases. It would be nice to hang out in the undaunted area and have a bubble that says, LF2 DPS for VET Pledge. While I think I would still miss zone chat for PVP this would be a feature I could live with. It could also help with trading outside of a guild store. I would still prefer a Chat box, but something is better then nothing.0 -
Mirra_Halfelven✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »snuspresten wrote: »Badgerthechef wrote: »Its A No From Me.
The Consoles Aren't designed for Typing. You'd Spend More Time Finding The Letter To Type Than You Would Actually Messaging.
Connect a keyboard. Problem solved. Go to ebay, 7 pounds / 10 usd. PS Keyboard free shipping from Hong Kong. Problem solved. We NEED the option to choose if we want to use a text chat or not. Warframe has it. This is an even bigger scaled game. No chat HURTS it so much it is painful. No trading. No team communication. No guild communication. It is ridiculous... Audio chat would work great, but 70% don't use it and in big areas it is just a cluster %$#.
respectfully, keyboards don't' just work like that on console.
-In order for a keyboard to work on a game, the developer has to specifically support this and in doing so consider how they want support to function. Specific to Xbox One...today, any text field entry is supported after prompted, and in games that do support using the "ENTER" key to avoid the text pop-up screen those interactions would then require a keyboard.
What's ideal for some isn't ideal for all.
Some play on console to avoid the PC master race gameplay...while others may be open to different opportunities of both.
The proposal being discuss attempts to satisfy everyone and also not interrupt or change what does work.
-The inclusion of a text chat box within the social tab....
what thoughts, ideas do you have on that suggestion?
-Do you have another suggestion that hasn't been discussed that you would like to share with everyone?
You make no sense. Zero. Keyboards are compatible with xbox 1....
Actually no, dont' confuse the Xbox OS with a game running within the Xbox OS.
like on PC, all PC's can use a keyboard but not all applications support key presses the same.
This game is an application running in the Xbox One OS...all games do not support keyboards on Xbox One unless designed to do so.
letters work, but numbers don'tt always...shift and ENTER do and don't work based on the app or game running in the OS.
Thats been the big complaint about Xbox One form day 1
That response make zero sense.
You are just desperately trying to hold on to your view point for whatever reason.
Eso can easily support keyboards. The fact that you even mentioned otherwise is rediculous
Facts:
Xbox One keyboard support was added or rather enhanced here: http://news.xbox.com/2014/02/xbox-one-keeps-getting-better
*That support allows someone to plug in the keyboard and if done so prior to turning on the XBox One, it allows a user to type into text fields which by design are within the Xbox One OS.
This allows developed apps and games to also utilize the current support but that is limited as all the keys on a keyboard and the functions of the keys are not fully supported.
**All games and apps by development do not automatically support keyboard usage.
Other USB on support: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/usb-port-use
More: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/third-party
Here is what people are and were doing in the past (this still continues): http://www.usgamer.net/articles/how-to-use-a-mouse-and-keyboard-for-xbox-one-games
Keyboard works for Neverwinter on Xbox One ... read the entire thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/34qpef/xbox_questions_about_chatting_with_a_keyboard/
Mira,
I have the game...this specific game was developed to allow the ENTER key to work when the USB keyboard was plugged in when the console is turned on. Not by the developer but that's how the Xbox One handles keyboards right now...this game is just a specific example.
IF the USB keyboard is plugged in after the console is turned on the ENTER is not functional and therefore requires us to use the controller to prompt the text entry box which then creates keyboard letter functionality.
That set-up is not ideal and in this game, there linking and interacting in the text box chat requires controller button sacrifices, which is also not ideal
I'm trying to find a best fit for all sides of the conversation..without impacting other ideas that may or may not be implemented regarding controllers and keyboards.
So either leave the usb corded keyboard plugged in , use a wireless usb keyboard, or reboot after you plug the corded keyboard back in ... dont see what the issue is here?
I don't want it see it at all...Zenimax has decided not to include it which part of that was the UI (we know this tho)
so I'm suggesting a compromise to help get the idea considered....
Because the text chat feature as an all encompassing approach should have allowances for ideal usage.
The Xbox One has 3 USB ports only.
Most only have 2 available due to external HD usage
so from there 1 is often used to charge or plug in a controller in the event of a battery going low or dead
the other port can be used for other items...keyboards, wireless headset, alt HD for non gaming files, or the TV adapter
The PS4 may differ but our discussion has to work for both PS4 and Xbox One.
This isn't ideal overall to leave it plugged in for one or maybe two games if someone plays two
It isn' ideal to "force" people to buy a keyboard to participate but Smartglass can work if its not on the main UI
The PS4 has 2 USB ports ...
No one is forcing anyone do to anything here ...
You can chose to use a keyboard or not, use smartglass or not, use the console virtual keyboard or not, just read text chat & respond in voice, or even just turn off text chat completely.
It's all about choice & options, just because it isn't a perfect fit for you doesn't mean no-one else would use or want it. The more options the bigger the appeal to a larger audience, the larger & stronger the in game community is, the better the game does as a whole, the more money ZOS can make so they can bring out more content to ALL versions of ESO.Mirra Halfelven, Templar Troublemaker
Daggerfall Covenant - PS4 NA
PSN: Scooby_6093 -
sirhctpac✭✭✭YesGuys, I don't think we're going anywhere with the back and forth arguments anymore. There's a very vocal minority that are a) playing this like it's Skyrim, b) aren't at end game, or possibly a few that c) have a large network of friends and assume everyone has the same. I would suggest only responding to counter arguments that are both constructive and informed; the only ones currently being discussed are text chat within menu and customizable radial phrases. To the first I say there is no difference between this and a closable/minimizable box on screen and it would have less possible utility. A box could show game generated information such as damage numbers in addition to communication while being no more intrusive. To the second, I say this would be a great addition to traditional text chat and could be used by those who prefer the chat window off but if implemented without robust text chat it would become an obstacle. It would be used by the 80 percent in favor of text chat as a very limited substitute for it and would create needless downtime.
At this point, guys, I feel we need to become more proactive; we have to make it abundantly clear that something this integral can't just be ignored/hidden behind fallacious counter-arguments from players who both aren't participating in the aspects of the game that require robust communication and are vindictive enough to wish to deny it to those who are(I'm certainly NOT referring to those of you who have offered alternative suggestions; you guys are an important part of this discussion!). Please encourage your fiends/guildies who aren't registered on the forums to sign up and join this thread. It's truly sad to see a significant number of people leaving, even though they love the game, simply because they cannot participate in existing content due to inadequate communication.Edited by sirhctpac on July 31, 2015 7:02PM2 -
Eriquito3✭✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »snuspresten wrote: »Badgerthechef wrote: »Its A No From Me.
The Consoles Aren't designed for Typing. You'd Spend More Time Finding The Letter To Type Than You Would Actually Messaging.
Connect a keyboard. Problem solved. Go to ebay, 7 pounds / 10 usd. PS Keyboard free shipping from Hong Kong. Problem solved. We NEED the option to choose if we want to use a text chat or not. Warframe has it. This is an even bigger scaled game. No chat HURTS it so much it is painful. No trading. No team communication. No guild communication. It is ridiculous... Audio chat would work great, but 70% don't use it and in big areas it is just a cluster %$#.
respectfully, keyboards don't' just work like that on console.
-In order for a keyboard to work on a game, the developer has to specifically support this and in doing so consider how they want support to function. Specific to Xbox One...today, any text field entry is supported after prompted, and in games that do support using the "ENTER" key to avoid the text pop-up screen those interactions would then require a keyboard.
What's ideal for some isn't ideal for all.
Some play on console to avoid the PC master race gameplay...while others may be open to different opportunities of both.
The proposal being discuss attempts to satisfy everyone and also not interrupt or change what does work.
-The inclusion of a text chat box within the social tab....
what thoughts, ideas do you have on that suggestion?
-Do you have another suggestion that hasn't been discussed that you would like to share with everyone?
You make no sense. Zero. Keyboards are compatible with xbox 1....
Actually no, dont' confuse the Xbox OS with a game running within the Xbox OS.
like on PC, all PC's can use a keyboard but not all applications support key presses the same.
This game is an application running in the Xbox One OS...all games do not support keyboards on Xbox One unless designed to do so.
letters work, but numbers don'tt always...shift and ENTER do and don't work based on the app or game running in the OS.
Thats been the big complaint about Xbox One form day 1
That response make zero sense.
You are just desperately trying to hold on to your view point for whatever reason.
Eso can easily support keyboards. The fact that you even mentioned otherwise is rediculous
Facts:
Xbox One keyboard support was added or rather enhanced here: http://news.xbox.com/2014/02/xbox-one-keeps-getting-better
*That support allows someone to plug in the keyboard and if done so prior to turning on the XBox One, it allows a user to type into text fields which by design are within the Xbox One OS.
This allows developed apps and games to also utilize the current support but that is limited as all the keys on a keyboard and the functions of the keys are not fully supported.
**All games and apps by development do not automatically support keyboard usage.
Other USB on support: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/usb-port-use
More: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/third-party
Here is what people are and were doing in the past (this still continues): http://www.usgamer.net/articles/how-to-use-a-mouse-and-keyboard-for-xbox-one-games
Your argument makes no sense....
What does any of that have to do with text chat in eso?
Are you implying that the game can't have it because it wasn't designed for keyboards??
Lol eso can add text chat. AND you are desperately trying to argue points that hold no weight.Hi1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »snuspresten wrote: »Badgerthechef wrote: »Its A No From Me.
The Consoles Aren't designed for Typing. You'd Spend More Time Finding The Letter To Type Than You Would Actually Messaging.
Connect a keyboard. Problem solved. Go to ebay, 7 pounds / 10 usd. PS Keyboard free shipping from Hong Kong. Problem solved. We NEED the option to choose if we want to use a text chat or not. Warframe has it. This is an even bigger scaled game. No chat HURTS it so much it is painful. No trading. No team communication. No guild communication. It is ridiculous... Audio chat would work great, but 70% don't use it and in big areas it is just a cluster %$#.
respectfully, keyboards don't' just work like that on console.
-In order for a keyboard to work on a game, the developer has to specifically support this and in doing so consider how they want support to function. Specific to Xbox One...today, any text field entry is supported after prompted, and in games that do support using the "ENTER" key to avoid the text pop-up screen those interactions would then require a keyboard.
What's ideal for some isn't ideal for all.
Some play on console to avoid the PC master race gameplay...while others may be open to different opportunities of both.
The proposal being discuss attempts to satisfy everyone and also not interrupt or change what does work.
-The inclusion of a text chat box within the social tab....
what thoughts, ideas do you have on that suggestion?
-Do you have another suggestion that hasn't been discussed that you would like to share with everyone?
You make no sense. Zero. Keyboards are compatible with xbox 1....
Actually no, dont' confuse the Xbox OS with a game running within the Xbox OS.
like on PC, all PC's can use a keyboard but not all applications support key presses the same.
This game is an application running in the Xbox One OS...all games do not support keyboards on Xbox One unless designed to do so.
letters work, but numbers don'tt always...shift and ENTER do and don't work based on the app or game running in the OS.
Thats been the big complaint about Xbox One form day 1
That response make zero sense.
You are just desperately trying to hold on to your view point for whatever reason.
Eso can easily support keyboards. The fact that you even mentioned otherwise is rediculous
Facts:
Xbox One keyboard support was added or rather enhanced here: http://news.xbox.com/2014/02/xbox-one-keeps-getting-better
*That support allows someone to plug in the keyboard and if done so prior to turning on the XBox One, it allows a user to type into text fields which by design are within the Xbox One OS.
This allows developed apps and games to also utilize the current support but that is limited as all the keys on a keyboard and the functions of the keys are not fully supported.
**All games and apps by development do not automatically support keyboard usage.
Other USB on support: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/usb-port-use
More: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/third-party
Here is what people are and were doing in the past (this still continues): http://www.usgamer.net/articles/how-to-use-a-mouse-and-keyboard-for-xbox-one-games
Your argument makes no sense....
What does any of that have to do with text chat in eso?
Are you implying that the game can't have it because it wasn't designed for keyboards??
Lol eso can add text chat. AND you are desperately trying to argue points that hold no weight.
Are you up to speed on where the discussion is headed?
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Vulsahdaal✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
-I'm also not for a text zone chat but could fully support text chat bubbles (with item linking)
But why not text zone chat? Why would zone in particular be an issue?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Another idea is:
On console only:
Open up text chat (not in a text box on the normal UI screen while playing but within a social menu)
-this would function, look and work just like the PC version of text chat with one exception. It's in the social menu
So its only for people who or not currently playing the game? I only use chat for game related issues, so why would I want to talk to them? And a bigger issue, how would I be able to play the game and watch the chat at the same time?
But I suppose it could work though, if we could have a way to place it on our game screen, maybe just stick it in a corner or something, so we can play the game and watch chat at the same time.. Hmmm now if someone could just come up with a way to do this
Woah....sorry if this was confusing in how I typed it
The proposal is meant to be understood as in-game but not on the game-play UI as a compromise.
The social menu is the game social menu where group, guild, etc are situated.
This was be another item and in such, remove aany button limitations and open this up so someone can have a larger area to follow conversations with multiple options such as.
-text size
-window manipulation
-linking of items from inventory
-whispering to a character name (because by default it goes as a PM to the PS or XBox account outside the game otherwise)
-Some zone functionality, guild and group if desired
Perhaps I should suggest this as a lobby text chat idea.....I'm open to improvements/suggestions and feedback
sorry again if its confusing or miss-typed
@NewBlacksmurf- Ive been reading this thread and thinking about this.. The one thing I think we can both agree on is it does seem to me as well that controller mapping on Xbox is already pretty full (dont know about PS4 as I dont own or play it)..
So building on what you started, what if one could enable the text box through the social menu, and it could be set up through there as to area, guild, group, whisper etc, set text size etc-- BUT when closed, an on-screen text chat box would appear in the corner so one could still play the game. Then if one felt the need to text or reply to someone, they could return to the social menu to do so. Basically the box on the game screen would be view only, and interaction or adjustment to it would have to be done in the social menu...Oh and would have to include zone chat, I dont know what your issue is with that, but its my main reason for wanting text chat. This would be a compromise I guess I could live with..
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✭✭✭✭✭NoVulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
-I'm also not for a text zone chat but could fully support text chat bubbles (with item linking)
But why not text zone chat? Why would zone in particular be an issue?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Another idea is:
On console only:
Open up text chat (not in a text box on the normal UI screen while playing but within a social menu)
-this would function, look and work just like the PC version of text chat with one exception. It's in the social menu
So its only for people who or not currently playing the game? I only use chat for game related issues, so why would I want to talk to them? And a bigger issue, how would I be able to play the game and watch the chat at the same time?
But I suppose it could work though, if we could have a way to place it on our game screen, maybe just stick it in a corner or something, so we can play the game and watch chat at the same time.. Hmmm now if someone could just come up with a way to do this
Woah....sorry if this was confusing in how I typed it
The proposal is meant to be understood as in-game but not on the game-play UI as a compromise.
The social menu is the game social menu where group, guild, etc are situated.
This was be another item and in such, remove aany button limitations and open this up so someone can have a larger area to follow conversations with multiple options such as.
-text size
-window manipulation
-linking of items from inventory
-whispering to a character name (because by default it goes as a PM to the PS or XBox account outside the game otherwise)
-Some zone functionality, guild and group if desired
Perhaps I should suggest this as a lobby text chat idea.....I'm open to improvements/suggestions and feedback
sorry again if its confusing or miss-typed
@NewBlacksmurf- Ive been reading this thread and thinking about this.. The one thing I think we can both agree on is it does seem to me as well that controller mapping on Xbox is already pretty full (dont know about PS4 as I dont own or play it)..
So building on what you started, what if one could enable the text box through the social menu, and it could be set up through there as to area, guild, group, whisper etc, set text size etc-- BUT when closed, an on-screen text chat box would appear in the corner so one could still play the game. Then if one felt the need to text or reply to someone, they could return to the social menu to do so. Basically the box on the game screen would be view only, and interaction or adjustment to it would have to be done in the social menu...Oh and would have to include zone chat, I dont know what your issue is with that, but its my main reason for wanting text chat. This would be a compromise I guess I could live with..
Hey...great suggestions....I'm open to it
Keep it going
Edit...what are you ideas on managing it outside of the social tab?Edited by NewBlacksmurf on July 31, 2015 7:28PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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sirhctpac✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
-I'm also not for a text zone chat but could fully support text chat bubbles (with item linking)
But why not text zone chat? Why would zone in particular be an issue?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Another idea is:
On console only:
Open up text chat (not in a text box on the normal UI screen while playing but within a social menu)
-this would function, look and work just like the PC version of text chat with one exception. It's in the social menu
So its only for people who or not currently playing the game? I only use chat for game related issues, so why would I want to talk to them? And a bigger issue, how would I be able to play the game and watch the chat at the same time?
But I suppose it could work though, if we could have a way to place it on our game screen, maybe just stick it in a corner or something, so we can play the game and watch chat at the same time.. Hmmm now if someone could just come up with a way to do this
Woah....sorry if this was confusing in how I typed it
The proposal is meant to be understood as in-game but not on the game-play UI as a compromise.
The social menu is the game social menu where group, guild, etc are situated.
This was be another item and in such, remove aany button limitations and open this up so someone can have a larger area to follow conversations with multiple options such as.
-text size
-window manipulation
-linking of items from inventory
-whispering to a character name (because by default it goes as a PM to the PS or XBox account outside the game otherwise)
-Some zone functionality, guild and group if desired
Perhaps I should suggest this as a lobby text chat idea.....I'm open to improvements/suggestions and feedback
sorry again if its confusing or miss-typed
@NewBlacksmurf- Ive been reading this thread and thinking about this.. The one thing I think we can both agree on is it does seem to me as well that controller mapping on Xbox is already pretty full (dont know about PS4 as I dont own or play it)..
So building on what you started, what if one could enable the text box through the social menu, and it could be set up through there as to area, guild, group, whisper etc, set text size etc-- BUT when closed, an on-screen text chat box would appear in the corner so one could still play the game. Then if one felt the need to text or reply to someone, they could return to the social menu to do so. Basically the box on the game screen would be view only, and interaction or adjustment to it would have to be done in the social menu...Oh and would have to include zone chat, I dont know what your issue is with that, but its my main reason for wanting text chat. This would be a compromise I guess I could live with..
Hey...great suggestions....I'm open to it
Keep it going
Edit...what are you ideas on managing it outside of the social tab?
I too would be open to this. I think the best way to approach it would be to have communication in your chosen channels(no channels selected = nothing popping up on screen) displayed on-screen much like loot is now but lingering on the screen for say 15 to 30 seconds. The full chat menu would be pulled up by a controller shortcut - perhaps making right mouse click open the map and left pull up social on PS4 for example or having it as one of the social radial selections - and would display a lingering chat log identical to the PC on screen box.
Good stuff.
Edit: damage numbers and other such game generated information could be displayed in this quick access menu tab as well. This could satisfy those who have opposed receiving such detailed game info as well since it would be accessible to those who want it without cluttering the HUD of those who don't.
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Vulsahdaal✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
-I'm also not for a text zone chat but could fully support text chat bubbles (with item linking)
But why not text zone chat? Why would zone in particular be an issue?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Another idea is:
On console only:
Open up text chat (not in a text box on the normal UI screen while playing but within a social menu)
-this would function, look and work just like the PC version of text chat with one exception. It's in the social menu
So its only for people who or not currently playing the game? I only use chat for game related issues, so why would I want to talk to them? And a bigger issue, how would I be able to play the game and watch the chat at the same time?
But I suppose it could work though, if we could have a way to place it on our game screen, maybe just stick it in a corner or something, so we can play the game and watch chat at the same time.. Hmmm now if someone could just come up with a way to do this
Woah....sorry if this was confusing in how I typed it
The proposal is meant to be understood as in-game but not on the game-play UI as a compromise.
The social menu is the game social menu where group, guild, etc are situated.
This was be another item and in such, remove aany button limitations and open this up so someone can have a larger area to follow conversations with multiple options such as.
-text size
-window manipulation
-linking of items from inventory
-whispering to a character name (because by default it goes as a PM to the PS or XBox account outside the game otherwise)
-Some zone functionality, guild and group if desired
Perhaps I should suggest this as a lobby text chat idea.....I'm open to improvements/suggestions and feedback
sorry again if its confusing or miss-typed
@NewBlacksmurf- Ive been reading this thread and thinking about this.. The one thing I think we can both agree on is it does seem to me as well that controller mapping on Xbox is already pretty full (dont know about PS4 as I dont own or play it)..
So building on what you started, what if one could enable the text box through the social menu, and it could be set up through there as to area, guild, group, whisper etc, set text size etc-- BUT when closed, an on-screen text chat box would appear in the corner so one could still play the game. Then if one felt the need to text or reply to someone, they could return to the social menu to do so. Basically the box on the game screen would be view only, and interaction or adjustment to it would have to be done in the social menu...Oh and would have to include zone chat, I dont know what your issue is with that, but its my main reason for wanting text chat. This would be a compromise I guess I could live with..
Hey...great suggestions....I'm open to it
Keep it going
Edit...what are you ideas on managing it outside of the social tab?
Well, trying to keep the gamescreen box as simple as possible.. Just a transparent box of scrolling text that is read only.. This is why I thought adjusting position, text size, assigning colors for different types, zone, guild, group etc could all be done in the social tab as well.. Not sure exactly what you mean by managing it outside the social tab? If you mean disable it, well I guess that would be done through the social tab as well- and poof the on screen box is gone..
Could you be specific as to what type of managing you mean?
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✭✭✭✭YesHobnailedBoots wrote: »HobnailedBoots wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
LFG was probably a bad example as I agree people would starting to avoid the Grouping Tools like they do on PC.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »This is the purpose of the Grouping Tools (they need some work) but this becomes redundant.
-Personally this is why I'm against adding text chat to consoles because it becomes a way for ppl to avoid using the games current systems that may need some work but are there so that you will not need to add text chat or additional text emotes
check out my suggestion tho above
Basically like your idea but also visible on screen (not only bubble) maybe just for everyone in your group. Because I actually tried using the bubble chat stuff in a group once and it was very disappointing.
Did you see the other idea about in the social menu...adding text chat?
Text Chat should not be hidden in menu's.
Please suggest another proposal then....
*having it as seen on PC has already been shot down by the devs so....I think its worth coming up with alternative ideas for discussion.
please share with the community
lower left screen, semi transparent when not in use and have it minimizable. easy easy stuff wont effect anyones game play.
do you get mad when you loot stuff and text shows up in the lower left corner showing what you looted?
same thing but it will just be in a text box that wont effect your gameplay at all since it will be semi transparent and minimizable :P
plus it will add in tabs so hopefully they will add in a battle report tab where you can see how much XP you get, how much healing you did and how much damage you did. like a real MMORPG
See, here's the real problem.. You guys want to .make this a game that it's not. Text chat, DPS meters.... this isn't that game. The majority of us are happy with it and don't want this stuff.
Actually the majority of us want text chat. This poll shows it.
You aren't a majority. The foum is comprised mainly of malcontents and perpetual whiners. People who enjoy the game by and large do not post here. If you think you have a majority in this it just shows how naive you are.
Right, we shouldnt take the poll as an indication that people agree with our position, but you...magically know youre in the majority because of the 'silent majority' argument.Obviously if people were upset they would ALL come here to the forums to complain.Edited by Korah_Eaglecry on July 31, 2015 8:22PMPenniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax2 -
Mirra_Halfelven✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
-I'm also not for a text zone chat but could fully support text chat bubbles (with item linking)
But why not text zone chat? Why would zone in particular be an issue?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Another idea is:
On console only:
Open up text chat (not in a text box on the normal UI screen while playing but within a social menu)
-this would function, look and work just like the PC version of text chat with one exception. It's in the social menu
So its only for people who or not currently playing the game? I only use chat for game related issues, so why would I want to talk to them? And a bigger issue, how would I be able to play the game and watch the chat at the same time?
But I suppose it could work though, if we could have a way to place it on our game screen, maybe just stick it in a corner or something, so we can play the game and watch chat at the same time.. Hmmm now if someone could just come up with a way to do this
Woah....sorry if this was confusing in how I typed it
The proposal is meant to be understood as in-game but not on the game-play UI as a compromise.
The social menu is the game social menu where group, guild, etc are situated.
This was be another item and in such, remove aany button limitations and open this up so someone can have a larger area to follow conversations with multiple options such as.
-text size
-window manipulation
-linking of items from inventory
-whispering to a character name (because by default it goes as a PM to the PS or XBox account outside the game otherwise)
-Some zone functionality, guild and group if desired
Perhaps I should suggest this as a lobby text chat idea.....I'm open to improvements/suggestions and feedback
sorry again if its confusing or miss-typed
@NewBlacksmurf- Ive been reading this thread and thinking about this.. The one thing I think we can both agree on is it does seem to me as well that controller mapping on Xbox is already pretty full (dont know about PS4 as I dont own or play it)..
So building on what you started, what if one could enable the text box through the social menu, and it could be set up through there as to area, guild, group, whisper etc, set text size etc-- BUT when closed, an on-screen text chat box would appear in the corner so one could still play the game. Then if one felt the need to text or reply to someone, they could return to the social menu to do so. Basically the box on the game screen would be view only, and interaction or adjustment to it would have to be done in the social menu...Oh and would have to include zone chat, I dont know what your issue is with that, but its my main reason for wanting text chat. This would be a compromise I guess I could live with..
Hey...great suggestions....I'm open to it
Keep it going
Edit...what are you ideas on managing it outside of the social tab?
have all text chat options in the socal window
text chat on/off
channel tabs on/off
font size
font color even? guild one color, trade an other etc....
text chat window would be like on the the PC fades after 20-30secs of inactivity
activating text chat would either be by pressing "enter" on a keyboard or by pressing square on PS4 or X on Xbox One while in the quick chat/emote wheel window
linking items in chat via square on PS4 or X on Xbox One on item hilighted in your inventory, this would also open up text chat as wellEdited by Mirra_Halfelven on July 31, 2015 8:29PMMirra Halfelven, Templar Troublemaker
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoAaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
LFG was probably a bad example as I agree people would starting to avoid the Grouping Tools like they do on PC.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »This is the purpose of the Grouping Tools (they need some work) but this becomes redundant.
-Personally this is why I'm against adding text chat to consoles because it becomes a way for ppl to avoid using the games current systems that may need some work but are there so that you will not need to add text chat or additional text emotes
check out my suggestion tho above
Basically like your idea but also visible on screen (not only bubble) maybe just for everyone in your group. Because I actually tried using the bubble chat stuff in a group once and it was very disappointing.
Did you see the other idea about in the social menu...adding text chat?
Text Chat should not be hidden in menu's.
You are right. Text chat should be on a second screen app. Please keep your text clutter off my screen.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭Nojcodbf2b14_ESO wrote: »I would rather see just chat bubbles for console. That is good enough to trade and to form groups and join guilds. No need for global or zone chat when that would bring out the gold sellers.
You are correct. Text bubbles are fine for keeping out global spam.0 -
VoidBlue✭✭✭✭YesZOS just needs to make a damn announcement already if they are or aren't gonna add text chat, because all this baby whining is getting old fast1
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭Novamp_emily wrote: »yes, yes, YES!
I don't play console but i feel your pain, this game should have never been releases without text-chat/zone chat. ZOS please listen to your users. Ok we get it, you added voice chat, and decided not to implement text-chat. I love this game but I think not adding text-chat was the worst dev decision.
Gosh darn it.
If you PC people are going to unfairly influence this poll, at least have the common sense not to admit you are commenting to change an experience that doesn't impact you.
Thanks for your comment. But geez.
These pro text guys are trying to pretend more than five dudes on a forum.
Communication on the console works better than you would think with headsets and build chat.
I know it might seem strange from a PC point of view.
But its extremely social and fun.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
-I'm also not for a text zone chat but could fully support text chat bubbles (with item linking)
But why not text zone chat? Why would zone in particular be an issue?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Another idea is:
On console only:
Open up text chat (not in a text box on the normal UI screen while playing but within a social menu)
-this would function, look and work just like the PC version of text chat with one exception. It's in the social menu
So its only for people who or not currently playing the game? I only use chat for game related issues, so why would I want to talk to them? And a bigger issue, how would I be able to play the game and watch the chat at the same time?
But I suppose it could work though, if we could have a way to place it on our game screen, maybe just stick it in a corner or something, so we can play the game and watch chat at the same time.. Hmmm now if someone could just come up with a way to do this
Woah....sorry if this was confusing in how I typed it
The proposal is meant to be understood as in-game but not on the game-play UI as a compromise.
The social menu is the game social menu where group, guild, etc are situated.
This was be another item and in such, remove aany button limitations and open this up so someone can have a larger area to follow conversations with multiple options such as.
-text size
-window manipulation
-linking of items from inventory
-whispering to a character name (because by default it goes as a PM to the PS or XBox account outside the game otherwise)
-Some zone functionality, guild and group if desired
Perhaps I should suggest this as a lobby text chat idea.....I'm open to improvements/suggestions and feedback
sorry again if its confusing or miss-typed
@NewBlacksmurf- Ive been reading this thread and thinking about this.. The one thing I think we can both agree on is it does seem to me as well that controller mapping on Xbox is already pretty full (dont know about PS4 as I dont own or play it)..
So building on what you started, what if one could enable the text box through the social menu, and it could be set up through there as to area, guild, group, whisper etc, set text size etc-- BUT when closed, an on-screen text chat box would appear in the corner so one could still play the game. Then if one felt the need to text or reply to someone, they could return to the social menu to do so. Basically the box on the game screen would be view only, and interaction or adjustment to it would have to be done in the social menu...Oh and would have to include zone chat, I dont know what your issue is with that, but its my main reason for wanting text chat. This would be a compromise I guess I could live with..
Hey...great suggestions....I'm open to it
Keep it going
Edit...what are you ideas on managing it outside of the social tab?
I too would be open to this. I think the best way to approach it would be to have communication in your chosen channels(no channels selected = nothing popping up on screen) displayed on-screen much like loot is now but lingering on the screen for say 15 to 30 seconds. The full chat menu would be pulled up by a controller shortcut - perhaps making right mouse click open the map and left pull up social on PS4 for example or having it as one of the social radial selections - and would display a lingering chat log identical to the PC on screen box.
Good stuff.
Edit: damage numbers and other such game generated information could be displayed in this quick access menu tab as well. This could satisfy those who have opposed receiving such detailed game info as well since it would be accessible to those who want it without cluttering the HUD of those who don't.
Thanks for helping to further the issue without dogmatically clinging to the old fashioned idea that we need a CNN news feed full of gold spam, troll lololol, and political debates.
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✭YesMirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
-I'm also not for a text zone chat but could fully support text chat bubbles (with item linking)
But why not text zone chat? Why would zone in particular be an issue?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Another idea is:
On console only:
Open up text chat (not in a text box on the normal UI screen while playing but within a social menu)
-this would function, look and work just like the PC version of text chat with one exception. It's in the social menu
So its only for people who or not currently playing the game? I only use chat for game related issues, so why would I want to talk to them? And a bigger issue, how would I be able to play the game and watch the chat at the same time?
But I suppose it could work though, if we could have a way to place it on our game screen, maybe just stick it in a corner or something, so we can play the game and watch chat at the same time.. Hmmm now if someone could just come up with a way to do this
Woah....sorry if this was confusing in how I typed it
The proposal is meant to be understood as in-game but not on the game-play UI as a compromise.
The social menu is the game social menu where group, guild, etc are situated.
This was be another item and in such, remove aany button limitations and open this up so someone can have a larger area to follow conversations with multiple options such as.
-text size
-window manipulation
-linking of items from inventory
-whispering to a character name (because by default it goes as a PM to the PS or XBox account outside the game otherwise)
-Some zone functionality, guild and group if desired
Perhaps I should suggest this as a lobby text chat idea.....I'm open to improvements/suggestions and feedback
sorry again if its confusing or miss-typed
@NewBlacksmurf- Ive been reading this thread and thinking about this.. The one thing I think we can both agree on is it does seem to me as well that controller mapping on Xbox is already pretty full (dont know about PS4 as I dont own or play it)..
So building on what you started, what if one could enable the text box through the social menu, and it could be set up through there as to area, guild, group, whisper etc, set text size etc-- BUT when closed, an on-screen text chat box would appear in the corner so one could still play the game. Then if one felt the need to text or reply to someone, they could return to the social menu to do so. Basically the box on the game screen would be view only, and interaction or adjustment to it would have to be done in the social menu...Oh and would have to include zone chat, I dont know what your issue is with that, but its my main reason for wanting text chat. This would be a compromise I guess I could live with..
Hey...great suggestions....I'm open to it
Keep it going
Edit...what are you ideas on managing it outside of the social tab?
have all text chat options in the socal window
text chat on/off
channel tabs on/off
font size
font color even? guild one color, trade an other etc....
text chat window would be like on the the PC fades after 20-30secs of inactivity
activating text chat would either be by pressing "enter" on a keyboard or by pressing square on PS4 or X on Xbox One while in the quick chat/emote wheel window
linking items in chat via square on PS4 or X on Xbox One on item hilighted in your inventory, this would also open up text chat as well
Yep, this is pretty close to how I am envisioning it..
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoMirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »snuspresten wrote: »Badgerthechef wrote: »Its A No From Me.
The Consoles Aren't designed for Typing. You'd Spend More Time Finding The Letter To Type Than You Would Actually Messaging.
Connect a keyboard. Problem solved. Go to ebay, 7 pounds / 10 usd. PS Keyboard free shipping from Hong Kong. Problem solved. We NEED the option to choose if we want to use a text chat or not. Warframe has it. This is an even bigger scaled game. No chat HURTS it so much it is painful. No trading. No team communication. No guild communication. It is ridiculous... Audio chat would work great, but 70% don't use it and in big areas it is just a cluster %$#.
respectfully, keyboards don't' just work like that on console.
-In order for a keyboard to work on a game, the developer has to specifically support this and in doing so consider how they want support to function. Specific to Xbox One...today, any text field entry is supported after prompted, and in games that do support using the "ENTER" key to avoid the text pop-up screen those interactions would then require a keyboard.
What's ideal for some isn't ideal for all.
Some play on console to avoid the PC master race gameplay...while others may be open to different opportunities of both.
The proposal being discuss attempts to satisfy everyone and also not interrupt or change what does work.
-The inclusion of a text chat box within the social tab....
what thoughts, ideas do you have on that suggestion?
-Do you have another suggestion that hasn't been discussed that you would like to share with everyone?
You make no sense. Zero. Keyboards are compatible with xbox 1....
Actually no, dont' confuse the Xbox OS with a game running within the Xbox OS.
like on PC, all PC's can use a keyboard but not all applications support key presses the same.
This game is an application running in the Xbox One OS...all games do not support keyboards on Xbox One unless designed to do so.
letters work, but numbers don'tt always...shift and ENTER do and don't work based on the app or game running in the OS.
Thats been the big complaint about Xbox One form day 1
That response make zero sense.
You are just desperately trying to hold on to your view point for whatever reason.
Eso can easily support keyboards. The fact that you even mentioned otherwise is rediculous
Facts:
Xbox One keyboard support was added or rather enhanced here: http://news.xbox.com/2014/02/xbox-one-keeps-getting-better
*That support allows someone to plug in the keyboard and if done so prior to turning on the XBox One, it allows a user to type into text fields which by design are within the Xbox One OS.
This allows developed apps and games to also utilize the current support but that is limited as all the keys on a keyboard and the functions of the keys are not fully supported.
**All games and apps by development do not automatically support keyboard usage.
Other USB on support: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/usb-port-use
More: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/third-party
Here is what people are and were doing in the past (this still continues): http://www.usgamer.net/articles/how-to-use-a-mouse-and-keyboard-for-xbox-one-games
Keyboard works for Neverwinter on Xbox One ... read the entire thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/34qpef/xbox_questions_about_chatting_with_a_keyboard/
Mira,
I have the game...this specific game was developed to allow the ENTER key to work when the USB keyboard was plugged in when the console is turned on. Not by the developer but that's how the Xbox One handles keyboards right now...this game is just a specific example.
IF the USB keyboard is plugged in after the console is turned on the ENTER is not functional and therefore requires us to use the controller to prompt the text entry box which then creates keyboard letter functionality.
That set-up is not ideal and in this game, there linking and interacting in the text box chat requires controller button sacrifices, which is also not ideal
I'm trying to find a best fit for all sides of the conversation..without impacting other ideas that may or may not be implemented regarding controllers and keyboards.
So either leave the usb corded keyboard plugged in , use a wireless usb keyboard, or reboot after you plug the corded keyboard back in ... dont see what the issue is here?
I don't want it see it at all...Zenimax has decided not to include it which part of that was the UI (we know this tho)
so I'm suggesting a compromise to help get the idea considered....
Because the text chat feature as an all encompassing approach should have allowances for ideal usage.
The Xbox One has 3 USB ports only.
Most only have 2 available due to external HD usage
so from there 1 is often used to charge or plug in a controller in the event of a battery going low or dead
the other port can be used for other items...keyboards, wireless headset, alt HD for non gaming files, or the TV adapter
The PS4 may differ but our discussion has to work for both PS4 and Xbox One.
This isn't ideal overall to leave it plugged in for one or maybe two games if someone plays two
It isn' ideal to "force" people to buy a keyboard to participate but Smartglass can work if its not on the main UI
The PS4 has 2 USB ports ...
No one is forcing anyone do to anything here ...
You can chose to use a keyboard or not, use smartglass or not, use the console virtual keyboard or not, just read text chat & respond in voice, or even just turn off text chat completely.
It's all about choice & options, just because it isn't a perfect fit for you doesn't mean no-one else would use or want it. The more options the bigger the appeal to a larger audience, the larger & stronger the in game community is, the better the game does as a whole, the more money ZOS can make so they can bring out more content to ALL versions of ESO.
I love the way that the pro text crowd completely missed the exclusion of text chat from the game despite clear warning and a full text less beta, and somehow they still know exactly how text chat would work perfectly if implemented.
I think more than likely whatever your gripes about voice chat are, would just be occurring on a second medium.
Both would have,
Ranting
Rambling,
Political arguments,
Weirdo troll stuff,
Random spam,
Scams,
Giant conversations,
The option to mute, but given the vast wealth of people in the game muting is impractical. Twice the mute, ignore duty would be awesome.
And if those reasons don't make you shudder,
Consider this thread and the ones before it,
Consider what that turned into,
There are no mods in text chat.
The mods work their butts off to keep threads with any kind of contention from exploding into *** accusations.
That will be text chat.
Yaaaay. I can't wait.2 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »snuspresten wrote: »Badgerthechef wrote: »Its A No From Me.
The Consoles Aren't designed for Typing. You'd Spend More Time Finding The Letter To Type Than You Would Actually Messaging.
Connect a keyboard. Problem solved. Go to ebay, 7 pounds / 10 usd. PS Keyboard free shipping from Hong Kong. Problem solved. We NEED the option to choose if we want to use a text chat or not. Warframe has it. This is an even bigger scaled game. No chat HURTS it so much it is painful. No trading. No team communication. No guild communication. It is ridiculous... Audio chat would work great, but 70% don't use it and in big areas it is just a cluster %$#.
respectfully, keyboards don't' just work like that on console.
-In order for a keyboard to work on a game, the developer has to specifically support this and in doing so consider how they want support to function. Specific to Xbox One...today, any text field entry is supported after prompted, and in games that do support using the "ENTER" key to avoid the text pop-up screen those interactions would then require a keyboard.
What's ideal for some isn't ideal for all.
Some play on console to avoid the PC master race gameplay...while others may be open to different opportunities of both.
The proposal being discuss attempts to satisfy everyone and also not interrupt or change what does work.
-The inclusion of a text chat box within the social tab....
what thoughts, ideas do you have on that suggestion?
-Do you have another suggestion that hasn't been discussed that you would like to share with everyone?
You make no sense. Zero. Keyboards are compatible with xbox 1....
Actually no, dont' confuse the Xbox OS with a game running within the Xbox OS.
like on PC, all PC's can use a keyboard but not all applications support key presses the same.
This game is an application running in the Xbox One OS...all games do not support keyboards on Xbox One unless designed to do so.
letters work, but numbers don'tt always...shift and ENTER do and don't work based on the app or game running in the OS.
Thats been the big complaint about Xbox One form day 1
That response make zero sense.
You are just desperately trying to hold on to your view point for whatever reason.
Eso can easily support keyboards. The fact that you even mentioned otherwise is rediculous
Facts:
Xbox One keyboard support was added or rather enhanced here: http://news.xbox.com/2014/02/xbox-one-keeps-getting-better
*That support allows someone to plug in the keyboard and if done so prior to turning on the XBox One, it allows a user to type into text fields which by design are within the Xbox One OS.
This allows developed apps and games to also utilize the current support but that is limited as all the keys on a keyboard and the functions of the keys are not fully supported.
**All games and apps by development do not automatically support keyboard usage.
Other USB on support: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/usb-port-use
More: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/third-party
Here is what people are and were doing in the past (this still continues): http://www.usgamer.net/articles/how-to-use-a-mouse-and-keyboard-for-xbox-one-games
Your argument makes no sense....
What does any of that have to do with text chat in eso?
Are you implying that the game can't have it because it wasn't designed for keyboards??
Lol eso can add text chat. AND you are desperately trying to argue points that hold no weight.
Text chat in ESO makes no sense.
It will clutter the screen and enable trolls.
It will also cause fresh glitches that will need to consume precious dev time.
Communications are working very well.
I'm in a giant PvP guild that uses guild and team chat to coordinate with pinpoint accuracy.
We react faster than any keyboard cowboys ever could.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoAaronLannister wrote: »
Yeah, uhmm, I will have to consult the wife and kids before I go full uhmmm single guy style on my couch.
Nice trip hazard tho.
My four year old would love that.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoHobnailedBoots wrote: »HobnailedBoots wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
LFG was probably a bad example as I agree people would starting to avoid the Grouping Tools like they do on PC.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »This is the purpose of the Grouping Tools (they need some work) but this becomes redundant.
-Personally this is why I'm against adding text chat to consoles because it becomes a way for ppl to avoid using the games current systems that may need some work but are there so that you will not need to add text chat or additional text emotes
check out my suggestion tho above
Basically like your idea but also visible on screen (not only bubble) maybe just for everyone in your group. Because I actually tried using the bubble chat stuff in a group once and it was very disappointing.
Did you see the other idea about in the social menu...adding text chat?
Text Chat should not be hidden in menu's.
Please suggest another proposal then....
*having it as seen on PC has already been shot down by the devs so....I think its worth coming up with alternative ideas for discussion.
please share with the community
lower left screen, semi transparent when not in use and have it minimizable. easy easy stuff wont effect anyones game play.
do you get mad when you loot stuff and text shows up in the lower left corner showing what you looted?
same thing but it will just be in a text box that wont effect your gameplay at all since it will be semi transparent and minimizable :P
plus it will add in tabs so hopefully they will add in a battle report tab where you can see how much XP you get, how much healing you did and how much damage you did. like a real MMORPG
See, here's the real problem.. You guys want to .make this a game that it's not. Text chat, DPS meters.... this isn't that game. The majority of us are happy with it and don't want this stuff.
Actually the majority of us want text chat. This poll shows it.
You aren't a majority. The foum is comprised mainly of malcontents and perpetual whiners. People who enjoy the game by and large do not post here. If you think you have a majority in this it just shows how naive you are.
Actually the pole shows we are the majority. There is no way around it.
You mean your poll demonstrates that people NOT actually playing on console will vote on forum polls. Your argument is silly and is being made by people whose opinion has no actual bearing on the console version.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoAaronLannister wrote: »HobnailedBoots wrote: »Y'all enjoy your little poll but you'll never get this feature. So, knock yourself out.
I shall quote you on that.
He's right.
Did.you poll voters ever stop to think that zos might just be able to tell how many of these people have PC accounts and not console accounts?
Lol.
This crowd is just typing at windmills.1 -
Eriquito3✭✭✭✭Yesmrskinskull wrote: »HobnailedBoots wrote: »HobnailedBoots wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
LFG was probably a bad example as I agree people would starting to avoid the Grouping Tools like they do on PC.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »This is the purpose of the Grouping Tools (they need some work) but this becomes redundant.
-Personally this is why I'm against adding text chat to consoles because it becomes a way for ppl to avoid using the games current systems that may need some work but are there so that you will not need to add text chat or additional text emotes
check out my suggestion tho above
Basically like your idea but also visible on screen (not only bubble) maybe just for everyone in your group. Because I actually tried using the bubble chat stuff in a group once and it was very disappointing.
Did you see the other idea about in the social menu...adding text chat?
Text Chat should not be hidden in menu's.
Please suggest another proposal then....
*having it as seen on PC has already been shot down by the devs so....I think its worth coming up with alternative ideas for discussion.
please share with the community
lower left screen, semi transparent when not in use and have it minimizable. easy easy stuff wont effect anyones game play.
do you get mad when you loot stuff and text shows up in the lower left corner showing what you looted?
same thing but it will just be in a text box that wont effect your gameplay at all since it will be semi transparent and minimizable :P
plus it will add in tabs so hopefully they will add in a battle report tab where you can see how much XP you get, how much healing you did and how much damage you did. like a real MMORPG
See, here's the real problem.. You guys want to .make this a game that it's not. Text chat, DPS meters.... this isn't that game. The majority of us are happy with it and don't want this stuff.
Actually the majority of us want text chat. This poll shows it.
You aren't a majority. The foum is comprised mainly of malcontents and perpetual whiners. People who enjoy the game by and large do not post here. If you think you have a majority in this it just shows how naive you are.
Actually the pole shows we are the majority. There is no way around it.
You mean your poll demonstrates that people NOT actually playing on console will vote on forum polls. Your argument is silly and is being made by people whose opinion has no actual bearing on the console version.
Thanks for your input though.
I play on console and I voted.
Your just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.Hi2 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭Nomrskinskull wrote: »HobnailedBoots wrote: »HobnailedBoots wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
LFG was probably a bad example as I agree people would starting to avoid the Grouping Tools like they do on PC.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »This is the purpose of the Grouping Tools (they need some work) but this becomes redundant.
-Personally this is why I'm against adding text chat to consoles because it becomes a way for ppl to avoid using the games current systems that may need some work but are there so that you will not need to add text chat or additional text emotes
check out my suggestion tho above
Basically like your idea but also visible on screen (not only bubble) maybe just for everyone in your group. Because I actually tried using the bubble chat stuff in a group once and it was very disappointing.
Did you see the other idea about in the social menu...adding text chat?
Text Chat should not be hidden in menu's.
Please suggest another proposal then....
*having it as seen on PC has already been shot down by the devs so....I think its worth coming up with alternative ideas for discussion.
please share with the community
lower left screen, semi transparent when not in use and have it minimizable. easy easy stuff wont effect anyones game play.
do you get mad when you loot stuff and text shows up in the lower left corner showing what you looted?
same thing but it will just be in a text box that wont effect your gameplay at all since it will be semi transparent and minimizable :P
plus it will add in tabs so hopefully they will add in a battle report tab where you can see how much XP you get, how much healing you did and how much damage you did. like a real MMORPG
See, here's the real problem.. You guys want to .make this a game that it's not. Text chat, DPS meters.... this isn't that game. The majority of us are happy with it and don't want this stuff.
Actually the majority of us want text chat. This poll shows it.
You aren't a majority. The foum is comprised mainly of malcontents and perpetual whiners. People who enjoy the game by and large do not post here. If you think you have a majority in this it just shows how naive you are.
Actually the pole shows we are the majority. There is no way around it.
You mean your poll demonstrates that people NOT actually playing on console will vote on forum polls. Your argument is silly and is being made by people whose opinion has no actual bearing on the console version.
Thanks for your input though.
I play on console and I voted.
Your just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.
No. Whats the point of the poll if people who don't own the console version can make the vote seem like anyone but a niche group of uhmm. Dedicated revisionists, can campaign for a feature that no one really wants?
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