ZOS, your racial balancing is bad and you should feel bad too

Strider_Roshin · July 2015

There is no reason why Khajiits should be the only race to get rid of that garbage robust skill for robust constitution. Give it to the Orcs and Nords as well, and finally eliminate that garbage robust passive all together.

Kas · July 2015

or give us race changes. especially those who feel locked into a stam/mag route based on very outdated decisions

Bwookiee · July 2015

Or clear all racials and put them into 3 categories, a primary stat, a regen, and an "other" and you can pick one from each column.... If any class can tank/heal/dps, we should have the ability to customize racials too.

Just a thought

Rioht · July 2015

As a breton. I still feel bad for the argonian players.

The racials make 0 sense and there is a huge disparity amongst then. Buffing already feasable races, wtf???

IkQ · July 2015

I agree with the above, also: "race change race change race change race..."

Turelus · July 2015

They most likely going to bring race changes to the game via the Crown Store however on ESO live they said (and I'm paraphrasing)

"We don't want to do a major update on the racial passives until we have a system in place which would let players change their race"

So these are for now minor updates to get rid of some of the pains, the major racial passive changes have not come yet.

tinythinker · July 2015

Turelus wrote: »

So these are for now minor updates to get rid of some of the pains, the major racial passive changes have not come yet.

Yes, the Bosmer and Alter pains. Those poor, underpowered elves.

Strider_Roshin · July 2015

Bwookiee wrote: »

Or clear all racials and put them into 3 categories, a primary stat, a regen, and an "other" and you can pick one from each column.... If any class can tank/heal/dps, we should have the ability to customize racials too.

Just a thought

A thought I agree with.

victorhrpereira · July 2015

Race changes won't solve the problem. It will only make people to go for the best races, making the bad ones to disappear from the game. I prefer the sugestion made from @Bwookiee, allowing people to customize passives while keeping your chararacter race and appearance.

Joy_Division · July 2015

It is so sad the only "solution" to race imbalance problem is for people to change from the original race they wanted to play.

Aquanova · July 2015

victorhrpereira wrote: »

Race changes won't solve the problem. It will only make people to go for the best races, making the bad ones to disappear from the game. I prefer the sugestion made from @Bwookiee, allowing people to customize passives while keeping your chararacter race and appearance.

Good point!.....and they should go for the best races to point out ZOS's failure to make a leveled playing field concerning races, which btw are exclusive to particular factions unless.......you pay more for the ability to choose another race not tied to that faction. This is their doing, which is unfair. They should have made more judicious decisions when it came to balancing races. You can't tell me these changes make every race equal on pve or pvp levels.

asteldian · July 2015

I particularly love the fact that a tweak on one of the most powerful races (Altmer) is pretty much on par with the tweak to the worst race in the game. Bless you ZOS, do any of you actually play?

Dracane · July 2015

Yes sure, give race changes so that only 3 races exist in this game....
Create a new character or hold to your race. Always this discussion

booksmcread · July 2015

Morvul · July 2015

Bwookiee wrote: »

Or clear all racials and put them into 3 categories, a primary stat, a regen, and an "other" and you can pick one from each column.... If any class can tank/heal/dps, we should have the ability to customize racials too.

Just a thought

well, at that point you lose the racial "themes" or "bias" - but my orc sorcerer would obviously love that solution even more then transforming himself into an altmer

deleted220701-004865 · July 2015

Look on the bright side, Argonians....you'll always have 9 more skill points than anyone else.

Draehl · July 2015

I can see some logic behind most of the changes, but why are Altmer getting buffs?

Strider_Roshin · July 2015

Draehl wrote: »

I can see some logic behind most of the changes, but why are Altmer getting buffs?

No idea. They give the strongest magicka race a buff while keeping the Argonians and Nords pathetically weak.

Xsorus · July 2015

Hell why are bosmer getting another buff

ThyIronFist · July 2015

Xsorus wrote: »

Hell why are bosmer getting another buff

Because ZOS has no idea what they are doing.

Strider_Roshin · July 2015

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Hell why are bosmer getting another buff

Because ZOS has no idea what they are doing.

Yeah if you ever need proof of this, just cite these patch notes http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/200571/pts-patch-notes-v2-1/p1

Preyfar · July 2015

Rioht wrote: »

As a breton. I still feel bad for the argonian players.

I just don't even want to play my Argonians anymore.

Zsymon · July 2015

I wouldn't worry about race too much, they are getting a total overhaul soon together with the (probably very expensive) option to change race.

Strider_Roshin · July 2015

Zsymon wrote: »

I wouldn't worry about race too much, they are getting a total overhaul soon together with the (probably very expensive) option to change race.

This talk about drastic changes concerns me. If they mirror this last "racial balance" me and my Nord are screwed.

tinythinker · July 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

I wouldn't worry about race too much, they are getting a total overhaul soon together with the (probably very expensive) option to change race.

This talk about drastic changes concerns me. If they mirror this last "racial balance" me and my Nord are screwed.

Roll Argonian, have no expectations of things ever getting better, and watch the worry melt away as you drift in the river of "meh".

kogadrake · July 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

I can see some logic behind most of the changes, but why are Altmer getting buffs?

No idea. They give the strongest magicka race a buff while keeping the Argonians and Nords pathetically weak.

you may be correct on Argonians, but Nords are one of the best tank options (yes Imperial is best if you have Imperial ed) Nords have the highest effective health in the game with the upcoming changes, and reduced dmg taken makes them more effective from a healing stand point.. (+%HP only as good as reduced dmg if it comes with +%heal too)

Yes the ratial passives need an overhaul, and we know it is coming when race change is available (unknown when). Te race change isnt coming for the purpose of everyone being one of three races, but because of the changes to playstyle (picked a redgard for stam NB and switch to magicka because you dont like Bow and need better ranged options.. bet you wish you could change your race), or simply for those who min/max and have currently the best race but the best race may change with the major changes they plan.

The best things I have seen here are the concept of some type of pick 1 of 2or3 in each of the first 2 passives giving more flexability in what a class is good at, and then one unique thing to the race that is fixed. Hopefully we can get something like this when they do the big changes, but only time will tell.

Strider_Roshin · July 2015

kogadrake wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

I can see some logic behind most of the changes, but why are Altmer getting buffs?

No idea. They give the strongest magicka race a buff while keeping the Argonians and Nords pathetically weak.

you may be correct on Argonians, but Nords are one of the best tank options (yes Imperial is best if you have Imperial ed) Nords have the highest effective health in the game with the upcoming changes, and reduced dmg taken makes them more effective from a healing stand point.. (+%HP only as good as reduced dmg if it comes with +%heal too)

Yes the ratial passives need an overhaul, and we know it is coming when race change is available (unknown when). Te race change isnt coming for the purpose of everyone being one of three races, but because of the changes to playstyle (picked a redgard for stam NB and switch to magicka because you dont like Bow and need better ranged options.. bet you wish you could change your race), or simply for those who min/max and have currently the best race but the best race may change with the major changes they plan.

The best things I have seen here are the concept of some type of pick 1 of 2or3 in each of the first 2 passives giving more flexability in what a class is good at, and then one unique thing to the race that is fixed. Hopefully we can get something like this when they do the big changes, but only time will tell.

Picking your passives and keeping race as aesthetics will eliminate these balancing issues and provide more customization.

Rook_Master · July 2015

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

kogadrake wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

I can see some logic behind most of the changes, but why are Altmer getting buffs?

No idea. They give the strongest magicka race a buff while keeping the Argonians and Nords pathetically weak.

you may be correct on Argonians, but Nords are one of the best tank options (yes Imperial is best if you have Imperial ed) Nords have the highest effective health in the game with the upcoming changes, and reduced dmg taken makes them more effective from a healing stand point.. (+%HP only as good as reduced dmg if it comes with +%heal too)

Yes the ratial passives need an overhaul, and we know it is coming when race change is available (unknown when). Te race change isnt coming for the purpose of everyone being one of three races, but because of the changes to playstyle (picked a redgard for stam NB and switch to magicka because you dont like Bow and need better ranged options.. bet you wish you could change your race), or simply for those who min/max and have currently the best race but the best race may change with the major changes they plan.

The best things I have seen here are the concept of some type of pick 1 of 2or3 in each of the first 2 passives giving more flexability in what a class is good at, and then one unique thing to the race that is fixed. Hopefully we can get something like this when they do the big changes, but only time will tell.

Picking your passives and keeping race as aesthetics will eliminate these balancing issues and provide more customization.

This. Please just make different categories, and let people pick.

1. Attribute Bonus(Health, Magicka or Stamina)
2. Regen Bonus(Health, Magicka or Stamina)
3. Flavor Bonus

Erock25 · July 2015

I really want to be a fly in the room when they were discussing what racial passives to buff. Seriously, how many people at ZOS saw that Altmer and Bosmer were getting buffed and said, "YES I THINK THAT'S FAIR." It is mind boggling the decisions they make sometimes, as if they are literally throwing darts at a board of decisions with no regards for actual game balance.

Strider_Roshin · July 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

kogadrake wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

I can see some logic behind most of the changes, but why are Altmer getting buffs?

No idea. They give the strongest magicka race a buff while keeping the Argonians and Nords pathetically weak.

you may be correct on Argonians, but Nords are one of the best tank options (yes Imperial is best if you have Imperial ed) Nords have the highest effective health in the game with the upcoming changes, and reduced dmg taken makes them more effective from a healing stand point.. (+%HP only as good as reduced dmg if it comes with +%heal too)

Yes the ratial passives need an overhaul, and we know it is coming when race change is available (unknown when). Te race change isnt coming for the purpose of everyone being one of three races, but because of the changes to playstyle (picked a redgard for stam NB and switch to magicka because you dont like Bow and need better ranged options.. bet you wish you could change your race), or simply for those who min/max and have currently the best race but the best race may change with the major changes they plan.

The best things I have seen here are the concept of some type of pick 1 of 2or3 in each of the first 2 passives giving more flexability in what a class is good at, and then one unique thing to the race that is fixed. Hopefully we can get something like this when they do the big changes, but only time will tell.

Picking your passives and keeping race as aesthetics will eliminate these balancing issues and provide more customization.

This. Please just make different categories, and let people pick.

1. Attribute Bonus(Health, Magicka or Stamina)
2. Regen Bonus(Health, Magicka or Stamina)
3. Flavor Bonus

^ This!

Rosveen · July 2015

I have two Argonians (one an NB) and a nightblade werewolf tank. This update, I just don't even. I'm glad I'm on holidays and mostly stay away from the forum, it really is so very discouraging.