I think this is a good idea, as things are now I barely see anyone using Lava Whip - the additional damage from Lava Whip isn't worth it compared against the free attack + healing the flame lash morph gets. Changing Lava Whip to a stamina morph at this point isn't really taking anything away from magicka DKs and it would be a big boost for Stamina DKs who are really lacking in terms of class options for decent damage single target attacks.

Alcast wrote: »

Stamina DKs are already Top DPS, why would you need that whip anyway?

You are right, Stam Dk´s are Crazy in PvE. The Stam Whip would just be pretty nice and a awesome addition for PvP Stam Dk´s since we lack a strong Single Target Class Ability(this has been mentioned by a lot of Stam Dk´s like Atcha and others) that we can use over and over, like Nb´s or Templars have.

I wouldnt even care wich of the 2 Morphs would go for Stam, but again, it would be nice if they can consider it.
I know that this Change would affect some Magicka Builds when they make 1 Morph Stam based.

I also wonder why dont they just Provide for our Chars 4! Options to Morph 2 for Magicka as it used to be in Past before 1.6, and they same 2 Morphs just for Stamina. You would get a bit more options to Build your Character.

I also know that then ppl will start using "stack this, and this and this to 1 shot everything" .

@pikey2112b14a_ESO I dont really care if they would make the Lava Whip or Flame Lash an STamina Skill.
Flame Lash would also be okay for me. Its just about having 1 Stam based Single Target Attack that we can use.

mclegg721 wrote: »

LOL when are stamina DKs Top DPS in PVE? obv you don't know what you're saying lol.

There are few to nearly Zero Dk´s that do Shitloads of Damage as Stam Dk´s, but they exist and they deal more than Magicka Dk´s.

Yeah... take the morph with extra fire damage, and give me back my unstable flame

Alcast wrote: »

mclegg721 wrote: »

LOL when are stamina DKs Top DPS in PVE? obv you don't know what you're saying lol.

If you had any clue you would know, 20kdps on Serpent HM with Stam DK, 21kdps on manti with stam dk. that without pvp buffs, also like 2x AoE output compared to magicka builds (impulse is just lol)

ppl who havent figured out that stamina is far superior compared to magicka are just lol

well this will change since Caltroops no longer considered as meele attack

Alcast wrote: »

mclegg721 wrote: »

LOL when are stamina DKs Top DPS in PVE? obv you don't know what you're saying lol.

If you had any clue you would know, 20kdps on Serpent HM with Stam DK, 21kdps on manti with stam dk. that without pvp buffs, also like 2x AoE output compared to magicka builds (impulse is just lol)

ppl who havent figured out that stamina is far superior compared to magicka are just lol

Stop focusing on DPS only. People like you have no clue about what other people are missing in the game, and what their actual problems are when they play a stamina build in Cyrodiil.

I recently wrote some Feedback on the PTS regarding the Whip/Flamelash and that we need 1 Stam version of it.
U Guys/Girls should do the same. Dont think theyll ever do it, but we can try

Dracane wrote: »

I'm more concerned about Pvp, where Magicka whips already destroy me. A stamina version would be more than twice as dangerous. Please don't

But my Argonian DK requires it. Demands it. *whip* *whip* *whip* *whip*

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

mclegg721 wrote: »

LOL when are stamina DKs Top DPS in PVE? obv you don't know what you're saying lol.

If you had any clue you would know, 20kdps on Serpent HM with Stam DK, 21kdps on manti with stam dk. that without pvp buffs, also like 2x AoE output compared to magicka builds (impulse is just lol)

ppl who havent figured out that stamina is far superior compared to magicka are just lol

Stop focusing on DPS only. People like you have no clue about what other people are missing in the game, and what their actual problems are when they play a stamina build in Cyrodiil.

I am talking PvE, PvP is another thingy lol

Kas wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

mclegg721 wrote: »

LOL when are stamina DKs Top DPS in PVE? obv you don't know what you're saying lol.

If you had any clue you would know, 20kdps on Serpent HM with Stam DK, 21kdps on manti with stam dk. that without pvp buffs, also like 2x AoE output compared to magicka builds (impulse is just lol)

ppl who havent figured out that stamina is far superior compared to magicka are just lol

I don't know your builds and I know that you really know what you're speaking of, in general (least for pve :P)
but tbh, I'm very skeptical if this kind of damage would be possible if camo hunter didn't last for ages and you could enter and play through SO with a single charge.

Ofc you need CP and luck, but it is possible

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

mclegg721 wrote: »

LOL when are stamina DKs Top DPS in PVE? obv you don't know what you're saying lol.

If you had any clue you would know, 20kdps on Serpent HM with Stam DK, 21kdps on manti with stam dk. that without pvp buffs, also like 2x AoE output compared to magicka builds (impulse is just lol)

ppl who havent figured out that stamina is far superior compared to magicka are just lol

well this will change since Caltroops no longer considered as meele attack

That should not be a huge drawback tbh, but not sure yet :P We will see soon

Lord_Hev wrote: »

How about buffing the current magic whip so that it can actually damage players instead of tickling them?

Wont happen, play NB and spam their stam morph spammskill ^^ to do dmg in PvP ^^

actosh wrote: »

U can forget about it, Eric Wrobel doesnt want Dk´s to have a similar Stam option like Nb´s have.
Just received a Msg, and it basicly says, nope u wont get it ^^

I got this:
Das Feedback habe ich weitergegeben. Speziell zur Peitsche gab es aber auch schon eine Antwort von Eric Wrobel. Im Prinzip geht es darum, das Gleichgewicht zwischen der verstärkten Unterstützung von Stamina-Builds und der Auswahlmöglichkeit bei Magicka-Build zu halten.

Google Translator:

"The feedback I have passed. Especially for the whip there was already a response from Eric Wrobel. Basically it comes to keeping the balance between the increased support of Stamina-builds and the choice in Magicka build."

Oh well, at least we know. Thanks to Kai (?) and Eric for letting us know

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

mclegg721 wrote: »

LOL when are stamina DKs Top DPS in PVE? obv you don't know what you're saying lol.

If you had any clue you would know, 20kdps on Serpent HM with Stam DK, 21kdps on manti with stam dk. that without pvp buffs, also like 2x AoE output compared to magicka builds (impulse is just lol)

ppl who havent figured out that stamina is far superior compared to magicka are just lol

well this will change since Caltroops no longer considered as meele attack

That should not be a huge drawback tbh, but not sure yet :P We will see soon

Ofc, we need to test this, but i guess, if revanger set is still top stamina gear together with molag Kenia, its getting harder to proc revanger.

I would say, cause of this change to caltroops you will lose 20-30% DPS cause of the proc change

It's a bit like asking for Crystal Blast to become a stamina ability, where as in reality a lot of people use Crystal Blast in PvE for high AoE damage. Crystal Blast is one of the best magicka AoE abilities in the game, for both solo and group PvE. If you change it then this type of build gets destroyed.