Celestrael wrote: »

This isn't a ZOS issue, it's the players that are freakin terrible.

1) Rarely can you even herd these terribads into a dungeon.
2) They won't join voice chat.
3) They won't play the role they queued in for. Example: I'm a Templar Tank with a Healer off-spec... This noob sorc queued in as our healer but had no heals and had the audacity to say I should do it because im a Templar. I'm supposed to do both our jobs!?!? Gtfo!
4) Players always randomly quit before the dungeon is complete.

Ways to correct this behavior:
1) Automatically teleport players into the dungeon. Don't leave it to a group of morons to figure out how to get into it.
2) Automatically put them in voice chat when joining group. Don't give an option to leave it, if you're in a group you need to communicate. Leave option to mute annoying players in group.
3) Let players in a group vote someone out for not queuing for the proper role. If you get booted for not playing the role you queue for, you can't queue again for it for x number of hours
4) If you quit a dungeon before it is complete, you can't queue again for x amount of time.


Out of the last 5 group Finder groups I've joined, not a single one has been successful. I'm over it.

Yea, forced voice chat...because that will end well.

Well, maybe the LFG could include your Undaunted Rank. Can't queue above your rank, but could choose to queue below.

Like:

Novice (1-3)
Intermediate (4-6)
Advanced (7-8)

If you wanted to wait for more experienced players, set it higher. If you want to risk it with less experienced players but get a group faster, set it lower.

Had this happen to me a few times in the last couple days. One guy had his mic on and was laughing and acting *** while the group was waiting for him. We had to kick him. Another guy just left in the middle of the dungeon so we had to disband as we did not have a healer. Bunch of F#!%ing idiots.

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

You had me until Templar Tank. Sorry...

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Literally the only thing I find to be a bit of a handicap on my Templar tank compared to my DK tank is a lack of good CC (which leads to me needed to taunt a lot more things than I would on my DK). Once I do enough PVP to get Caltrops, though, that will be solved.

I use blazing spear as a start AOE aggro (instead of DK cinders or Caltrops). Also has the advantage of being aimable rather than just being a ground dump. (I usually cast and move into it). Caltrops does have a much larger circle than pretty much anything though. I prefer Blazing spear because it has 3 benefits. I can stun casters with it, DPS can grab extra sta fro blocking or whatever from it, and even though it has base low DPS, it can proc the spear passive on every tic and randomly do a lot of damage.

Plus it uses Magika. I tend to use this and Undaunted taunt, so I can keep them separate from STA pool

Interesting. I've recently leveled Blazing Spear to rank IV just by putting it on my training bar (the one that I swap to when turning in quests), but I've barely ever actually used it. Maybe I should start giving it a shot!

I basically use it to solo Craiglorn delves (even before CP).

Throw blazing spear, block, throw blazing spear. block.. . repeat. I use the sweep spear ultimate (name eludes me) + armor per guy hit, low ult cost. I keep the ground circle heal down... almost never need a targeted heal. Keep a ranged magika spell or 2 for whacking casters... easy-peasy. The spear passive turns it from a utility spell to a real AOE.. though not a fixed damage number.

It is very underated spell in group and pvp though... Even in groups people tend to spec as if they are DPSing. people weigh damage and healing and tend to ignore the rest. A lot of Templar spells have 2 or 3 group utility features when morphed. Helping your group do more dps/not dying is good too lol. I love a lot of the Undaunted skills for same reason.

This is on topic because a lot of people... even people that think they are grouping well, are really soloing with 3 other people.

Even in guild and friend groups, a lot of people don't pick skills WITH their group. They bring their spec and that's that. Really good groups adapt to each other... oh so you are doing this, so I can do this other thing, then bob can throw this other thing and we get a great result.

How many people do you kn ow that bite the bullet and bring the elemental debuff skills or the like. When I'm DPSing I constantly feed the tank STA through spears and Temp ground sta regen. I almost never see that outside of raids and the rougher VR dungeons.

Yeah, I'm definitely going to have to try actually using Blazing Spear then. I believe the ultimate you're talking about is Empowering Sweep. It does damage in a 5m radius (with a DOT for 6 seconds), reduces damage to you by 15% for 8 seconds, plus an additional 4% per target hit. Pretty sweet for only 75 ultimate, and I always have it on one of my tank bars. It's like that particular ultimate was custom designed for tanking. Not as much damage mitigation as Nova & its morphs, and the mitigation only works for you, but you can use it more than 3 times as frequently as Nova, so you get to keep that mitigation going for a much larger portion of any battle.

Very well said as far as discussing abilities and such and making sure that a group works well together as a group. I've found that the most successful group dungeons & such I've been in definitely involved some discussion beforehand on what each of our roles would be (beyond just "I'm gonna DPS"), as well as a bit of discussion about a few specific skills we might want to use.

Just want to pop in again to defend Templar Magicka Tanks.

It's actually better because most of the Templar's abilities (tanking tree included) are magicka based (although some can be morphed to stamina). Instead of blowing my stamina on abilities, all my stamina is reserved for blocking. So I can pop magic shields (which are very effective), throw puncturing strikes, etc with abandon. This will be even more effective after the blocking nerf in the upcoming patch regarding not regening stamina when shield is up.

Don't confuse being a magicka tank with being a hybrid. People who say Templar's can't be tanks obviously know nothing about the class.

There are sometimes exceptions. If I do get lucky and find a good group I try to get them to run as many dungeons as possible before the group falls apart. I ride that wave as long as I can!

Celestrael wrote: »

Just want to pop in again to defend Templar Magicka Tanks.

It's actually better because most of the Templar's abilities (tanking tree included) are magicka based (although some can be morphed to stamina). Instead of blowing my stamina on abilities, all my stamina is reserved for blocking. So I can pop magic shields (which are very effective), throw puncturing strikes, etc with abandon. This will be even more effective after the blocking nerf in the upcoming patch regarding not regening stamina when shield is up.

Don't confuse being a magicka tank with being a hybrid. People who say Templar's can't be tanks obviously know nothing about the class.

Absolutely correct.

Magicka tanks just do it differently.

I prefer a pretty evenly stat spread Hybrid myself (taunt/heal cc on magic and sta for block, bash and roll, health for well not dying), but it is personal taste.

Light Armor Bubbletanks work great for mostly magicka based, some classes have other options that require class skills (including some weird magicka NB tanks). There are quite a few high mgicka stat tanks builds, but they make PUGs really nervous. They suddenly got unpopular after armor re-balance hit light armor badly (build still work, but people are afraid to take a \stray hit with light armor being so low now , but some work with any armor, others like bubbles don't rely on armor at all.

Yes, yesterday night I just had a really frustrating experience. I queued up as Tank for Spindleclutch and was actually surprised it took about 5 minutes to get paired, given how bad the Group Finder is rumoured to be. I immediately port to the dungeon, all giddy I'm gonna do a dungeon!
I check the group tab to see who is the healer and there's a guy listed as DPS and Healer. Okay, no problem there, I do that too with my healer. Nobody is using voice chat, and I am a really shy person, seeing as everyone is making their way to the dungeon and had their roles selected, I stupidly assumed people were decent.
Nope. Me and the group leader wait for about 15 minutes inside the dungeon for the other dps to show up. When he does show up, I am sitting down with the other dps, and he just runs inside and pulls the first group of spiders onto us. Without a healer, we didn't last long. He proceeds to do it again twice (meanwhile healer leaves group) before I leave the group out of frustration, I was even using quick chat to try to tell him to wait for the healer.

I repaired my gear and waited outside the dungeon, got invited to a group. I check the roles, I'm the tank, and someone is filled up for DPS, HEALER, TANK. Aaaaalright... Okay....? Sure, at least he was inside and waiting for people. First group, he doesn't heal, we wipe. Here I am begrudgingly connecting my *** ps4 microphone to relay some commands and coordination, but I am shy and don't say anything just yet. Second attempt, he heals and I think: Oh, okay, he realises he's healing. We reach second group, he doesn't heal anymore, people keep pulling instead of letting me go first and get aggro. It's not worth it. I'm not gonna chat with these people, I'm not gonna risk waking up my family, and so on.

Ugh.... I never rage quitted a game before but that was it for me. I was so happy I was gonna do something other than questing or PVP, but noooo. I hate the lack of text chat, and I dislike people not doing the role they signed up for, and I especially dislike people who don't wait for the rest of the group to show up.

Rant over, sorry, had to get this off my chest.

I wouldn't say the tool is broken. It definitely needs some improvements. The problem is mostly the fault of the players. They are incompetent, don't know how to use it, and too few want to play the roles that make PvE groups function. Sorry to say, but not everyone can be DPS. Someone has to heal and someone has to take the heavy hits. If you're going to insist on only playing DPS, you're going to sit in the finder. i don't spend more than 15 - 20 mins MAX waiting (and that's mostly because I play odd hours) as either tank or healer. If you're sitting 4 hours, it's your role not the tool.