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The problem is that new players who actually understand how the system works will feel rushed- every moment they are pre-50 is another xp they aren't earning towards the monsterous mountain that is their CP grind. Then, when they do hit higher level, if they truly want to be competitive then they will have to dedicate themselves to proper grinding. Not dungeoning, no PvPing... grinding. Botting, preferably.
If new players prescribe to that type of slippery slope... maybe they should just put the box back on the shelf and try to be King of the Mountain in a game released this week.
Players with poor attitudes can have 3600 CP for all I care. It won't make them a better player if nobody wants to play with them.
Zos this is what the OP CP players think. They think they deserve to be OP and all new players that want to be competitive in PvP should "put the box back on the shelf." They don't care if the game dies as long as they to feel like a big man for the short time the servers are still up. So please stop listening to these people, and do what is best for the game, not what these people say.
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Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Are there not enough whine threads about this already? Your emo tears of rage sustain me, my cup runneth over. Suck it up and earn the Champion Points just like everyone else had to. We have hundreds of Champion Points because we have been playing since day 1. You can have hundreds or thousands too, you just have to put in the effort required to gain them.
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markt84✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Are there not enough whine threads about this already? Your emo tears of rage sustain me, my cup runneth over. Suck it up and earn the Champion Points just like everyone else had to. We have hundreds of Champion Points because we have been playing since day 1. You can have hundreds or thousands too, you just have to put in the effort required to gain them.
Entitled? Entitled would be the player that think their experience in the game should be put above everyone else's. That would be entitled, like you are "entitled" to be op because you played on PC.4 -
markt84✭✭✭And I just made this so Zos can see one of the players say exactly what they are always accused of thinking.0
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VoidBlue✭✭✭✭i wanna be entitled, i feel like im entitled to text chat on console version. all i have are those stupid text emotes that take forever to find the right one so all you use is yes, no, or good job everyone.1
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Anzriel✭✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Are there not enough whine threads about this already? Your emo tears of rage sustain me, my cup runneth over. Suck it up and earn the Champion Points just like everyone else had to. We have hundreds of Champion Points because we have been playing since day 1. You can have hundreds or thousands too, you just have to put in the effort required to gain them.
Entitled? Entitled would be the player that think their experience in the game should be put above everyone else's. That would be entitled, like you are "entitled" to be op because you played on PC.
Uhm, no because he earned his CP, therefor it can't be an entitlement....
However OP I do agree with your point, but as Akavir_Sentinel has said there are a quite a few threads already for this. While I agree the system needs some adjusting let's not be silly and start up 1041656506 threads about it when we don't need more than 1 please.
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✭✭✭✭✭The real winners in a thread like this are the people entertained by repetitive arguments over a video game. This for them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY
As for the primary topic, which has been covered exhaustively, ZOS has already said they are working on a way to speed people on their way to 300CP, so, it isn't like the issue is being ignored. And wasn't there also something by Wheeler indicating they may not be entirely closed to the idea of a non-CP campaign on for non-vet?
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markt84✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Are there not enough whine threads about this already? Your emo tears of rage sustain me, my cup runneth over. Suck it up and earn the Champion Points just like everyone else had to. We have hundreds of Champion Points because we have been playing since day 1. You can have hundreds or thousands too, you just have to put in the effort required to gain them.
Entitled? Entitled would be the player that think their experience in the game should be put above everyone else's. That would be entitled, like you are "entitled" to be op because you played on PC.
Uhm, no because he earned his CP, therefor it can't be an entitlement....
However OP I do agree with your point, but as Akavir_Sentinel has said there are a quite a few threads already for this. While I agree the system needs some adjusting let's not be silly and start up 1041656506 threads about it when we don't need more than 1 please.
It wasn't earned on the platform you are playing the game on. And grinding isn't earning anything, it's taking advantage of a broken leveling system.1 -
Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Are there not enough whine threads about this already? Your emo tears of rage sustain me, my cup runneth over. Suck it up and earn the Champion Points just like everyone else had to. We have hundreds of Champion Points because we have been playing since day 1. You can have hundreds or thousands too, you just have to put in the effort required to gain them.
Entitled? Entitled would be the player that think their experience in the game should be put above everyone else's. That would be entitled, like you are "entitled" to be op because you played on PC.
Uhm, no because he earned his CP, therefor it can't be an entitlement....
However OP I do agree with your point, but as Akavir_Sentinel has said there are a quite a few threads already for this. While I agree the system needs some adjusting let's not be silly and start up 1041656506 threads about it when we don't need more than 1 please.
It wasn't earned on the platform you are playing the game on. And grinding isn't earning anything, it's taking advantage of a broken leveling system.
Grinding is a perfectly valid form of play, whether you like it or not. If you want a particular Undaunted monster helm, guess what? You have to keep grinding that particular vet dungeon until you get it. You also have to grind certain mobs in order to obtain trophy items to add to your collection. You want the Master Angler title? Well, guess what, you better have about 50 stacks of bait on you because you are going to have to grind every fishing hole in the entire game to get it. There are all types of items and achievements that you cannot get in this game without grinding.1 -
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✭The problem is that new players who actually understand how the system works will feel rushed- every moment they are pre-50 is another xp they aren't earning towards the monsterous mountain that is their CP grind. Then, when they do hit higher level, if they truly want to be competitive then they will have to dedicate themselves to proper grinding. Not dungeoning, no PvPing... grinding. Botting, preferably.
If new players prescribe to that type of slippery slope... maybe they should just put the box back on the shelf and try to be King of the Mountain in a game released this week.
Players with poor attitudes can have 3600 CP for all I care. It won't make them a better player if nobody wants to play with them.
Zos this is what the OP CP players think. They think they deserve to be OP and all new players that want to be competitive in PvP should "put the box back on the shelf." They don't care if the game dies as long as they to feel like a big man for the short time the servers are still up. So please stop listening to these people, and do what is best for the game, not what these people say.
I wouldn't get too upset about it. Every time I see some "professional player" who puts in 8+ hours a day, I remember that these same people are also the ones asking me if I want fries with my burger.Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Are there not enough whine threads about this already? Your emo tears of rage sustain me, my cup runneth over. Suck it up and earn the Champion Points just like everyone else had to. We have hundreds of Champion Points because we have been playing since day 1. You can have hundreds or thousands too, you just have to put in the effort required to gain them.
Entitled? Entitled would be the player that think their experience in the game should be put above everyone else's. That would be entitled, like you are "entitled" to be op because you played on PC.
Uhm, no because he earned his CP, therefor it can't be an entitlement....
However OP I do agree with your point, but as Akavir_Sentinel has said there are a quite a few threads already for this. While I agree the system needs some adjusting let's not be silly and start up 1041656506 threads about it when we don't need more than 1 please.
Earned is a funny word in a video game, I thought this was an entertainment experience.
And I do have to disagree about the number of threads. Everyone who feels frustrated over this (or any other topic) should feel free to bump existing threads or start new ones. It's called community feedback. The more volume of feedback there is, the higher the chance of ZoS being responsive to it. They do respond to *some* feedback.0 -
Zsymon✭✭✭✭I don't get the whining about CPs, the champion system is simply amazing, it keeps you wanting to play more and more because you know you are getting more powerful.
Isn't it the most normal thing in the world for people that play more to have stronger characters than people that play less?
Why on Earth would you have a character just as strong if you've put less time into the game? I only have 100 CPs but I have no desire to be as strong as someone with 1000 CPs, he put in the time and effort and he deserves the be stronger than me. If I beat someone like that on sheer skill, I just have more to be proud of.
This is the basic mechanic of an RPG: the more you play the stronger you get. People please stop complaining that your RPG game is an RPG. If you don't want to play an RPG then don't and go play Planetside 2 or something.Edited by Zsymon on July 26, 2015 10:29PM2 -
Anzriel✭✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Are there not enough whine threads about this already? Your emo tears of rage sustain me, my cup runneth over. Suck it up and earn the Champion Points just like everyone else had to. We have hundreds of Champion Points because we have been playing since day 1. You can have hundreds or thousands too, you just have to put in the effort required to gain them.
Entitled? Entitled would be the player that think their experience in the game should be put above everyone else's. That would be entitled, like you are "entitled" to be op because you played on PC.
Uhm, no because he earned his CP, therefor it can't be an entitlement....
However OP I do agree with your point, but as Akavir_Sentinel has said there are a quite a few threads already for this. While I agree the system needs some adjusting let's not be silly and start up 1041656506 threads about it when we don't need more than 1 please.
It wasn't earned on the platform you are playing the game on. And grinding isn't earning anything, it's taking advantage of a broken leveling system.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the grinding part, I myself am not a grinder, but just because it isn't the gaming style I prefer doesn't keep it from being perfectly legitimate. As for the transfers from PC to console I can understand your frustration, but sadly it's the way ZoS chose to handle it, I believe they mentioned adding catch up mechanics to the game, so until those are implemented you may just have to sit tight and do your best to catch up.
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✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Suck it up and earn the Champion Points just like everyone else had to. We have hundreds of Champion Points because we have been playing since day 1 grinding for hundreds of hours. You can have hundreds or thousands too, you just have to put in the effort required grind long enough to gain them.
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Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't get the whining about CPs, the champion system is simply amazing, it keeps you wanting to play more and more because you know you are getting more powerful.
Isn't it the most normal thing in the world for people that play more to have stronger characters than people that play less?
Why on Earth would you have a character just as strong if you've put less time into the game? I only have 100 CPs but I have no desire to be as strong as someone with 1000 CPs, he put in the time and effort and he deserves the be stronger than me. If I beat someone like that on sheer skill, I just have more to be proud of.
^ This guy gets it.
Thank you for not being part of the "I want it all and I want it now for no effort" generation.0 -
markt84✭✭✭tinythinker wrote: »The real winners in a thread like this are the people entertained by repetitive arguments over a video game. This for them:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY
As for the primary topic, which has been covered exhaustively, ZOS has already said they are working on a way to speed people on their way to 300CP, so, it isn't like the issue is being ignored. And wasn't there also something by Wheeler indicating they may not be entirely closed to the idea of a non-CP campaign on for non-vet?
It needs to be be brought up until the issue is resolved. It's the biggest problem in the game. Not this class needs nerfed like they are currently working on. In my gameplay experience all classes have their pros and cons, but that's what they are currently working on. And instead of a non-vet campaign like currently exists, wouldn't a non-cp campaign be the same thing, how about a non-PC transfer campaign? That way the cp can exists in its current form and all the players that don't want to play with the people that had a year head start playing on a different platform, they dot have to.
I don't care people have a lot more CPs than me, they will. I solely play PvP, and I know I level really slow, but that's what I enjoy, so that's what I do. I just don't think they should make the gap so huge no new player will ever be able to compete.
And again I only made this to show the guy say that new players should just put the game back on the shelf, and they created the CPs for people like him0 -
Anzriel✭✭✭✭firstdecan wrote: »The problem is that new players who actually understand how the system works will feel rushed- every moment they are pre-50 is another xp they aren't earning towards the monsterous mountain that is their CP grind. Then, when they do hit higher level, if they truly want to be competitive then they will have to dedicate themselves to proper grinding. Not dungeoning, no PvPing... grinding. Botting, preferably.
If new players prescribe to that type of slippery slope... maybe they should just put the box back on the shelf and try to be King of the Mountain in a game released this week.
Players with poor attitudes can have 3600 CP for all I care. It won't make them a better player if nobody wants to play with them.
Zos this is what the OP CP players think. They think they deserve to be OP and all new players that want to be competitive in PvP should "put the box back on the shelf." They don't care if the game dies as long as they to feel like a big man for the short time the servers are still up. So please stop listening to these people, and do what is best for the game, not what these people say.
I wouldn't get too upset about it. Every time I see some "professional player" who puts in 8+ hours a day, I remember that these same people are also the ones asking me if I want fries with my burger.Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Are there not enough whine threads about this already? Your emo tears of rage sustain me, my cup runneth over. Suck it up and earn the Champion Points just like everyone else had to. We have hundreds of Champion Points because we have been playing since day 1. You can have hundreds or thousands too, you just have to put in the effort required to gain them.
Entitled? Entitled would be the player that think their experience in the game should be put above everyone else's. That would be entitled, like you are "entitled" to be op because you played on PC.
Uhm, no because he earned his CP, therefor it can't be an entitlement....
However OP I do agree with your point, but as Akavir_Sentinel has said there are a quite a few threads already for this. While I agree the system needs some adjusting let's not be silly and start up 1041656506 threads about it when we don't need more than 1 please.
Earned is a funny word in a video game, I thought this was an entertainment experience.
And I do have to disagree about the number of threads. Everyone who feels frustrated over this (or any other topic) should feel free to bump existing threads or start new ones. It's called community feedback. The more volume of feedback there is, the higher the chance of ZoS being responsive to it. They do respond to *some* feedback.
lol Yes, but you'd be surprised how many people take games deadly serious. I can't make myself do so for that exact reason, but there are people who put in hours of grinding everyday, which would honestly drive me batty. As for my reasoning for the number of threads, it's because it tends to just end up being the same people repeating the same lines, and if you have so many ZoS will probably just move them all into the same thread anyway.
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✭What you people fail to realize is that the Champion Point system has diminishing returns. The more points you put into a star, the less and less you get out of it each time. Even with only 50 points in a star, I'm already only getting 0.1% increase per point.
Instead of crying and wanting free and easy Champion Points, ask Zenimax to implement a non-veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled, and a veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled. It's as simple as that.
On second thought, even that wouldn't work. Then you would be crying about how they are still VR14 and have more skills and better gear than you do.....Edited by Akavir_Sentinel on July 26, 2015 10:37PM1 -
Tolmos✭✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Instead of crying and wanting free and easy Champion Points, ask Zenimax to implement a non-veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled, and a veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled. It's as simple as that.
On second thought, even that wouldn't work. Then you would be crying about how they are still VR14 and have more skills and better gear than you do.....
Minus the snide remarks and base assumptions at the end that completely betray your total ignorance of the actual concerns in question, the suggestion is a pretty solid one that would pretty much solve the issue.Edited by Tolmos on July 26, 2015 10:40PM0 -
markt84✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »I don't get the whining about CPs, the champion system is simply amazing, it keeps you wanting to play more and more because you know you are getting more powerful.
Isn't it the most normal thing in the world for people that play more to have stronger characters than people that play less?
Why on Earth would you have a character just as strong if you've put less time into the game? I only have 100 CPs but I have no desire to be as strong as someone with 1000 CPs, he put in the time and effort and he deserves the be stronger than me. If I beat someone like that on sheer skill, I just have more to be proud of.
^ This guy gets it.
Thank you for not being part of the "I want it all and I want it now for no effort" generation.
I'm 31 and actually WORK for a living. And when I say WORK, I mean climb telephone poles for a actual money, not for gold or TV stones, real U.S. currency. It's called a job, it's where your parents are all day, while you are "working" grinding in a video game. So I don't feel like grinding for hours in a video game.
You already are stronger than a lower level player. You have more skills, magic, stam, health, better armor, more knowledge of gameplay, more damage resistant, and do more damage. But that's isn't enough for you guys. You want even more of everything, so you can feel more powerful. You want it to be less about skill and more about hours grinded. I think the game should be more about skill. The vet14 maybe wasn't enough for PC players after 6moths, that's why they introduced the CPs. But consoles haven't hit the wall yet. But the PC transfers are through the wall and are 6 months past it.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭tinythinker wrote: »
As for the primary topic, which has been covered exhaustively, ZOS has already said they are working on a way to speed people on their way to 300CP, so, it isn't like the issue is being ignored. And wasn't there also something by Wheeler indicating they may not be entirely closed to the idea of a non-CP campaign on for non-vet?
ZOS does make mistakes, and they spend a lot of time fixing them. The Veteran System should have never gotten mixed up in itemization. Big mistake. Now they are spending a lot of time and effort removing Veteran Ranks and eliminating this entanglement with itemization.
Champion System also has a mistake in it. Champion Points should not have been for non-Vet characters. Taking that one step further, they should not have been account wide. They should have been earned on the character and used on the character that earned them, without the silly spending restriction (Mage, Warrior, Thief). People can get too high too fast in the System and because it is usable across an entire account, it has a massive bonus effect. Now they have to fix this system, too.
Since some people are not earning CP fast enough, the fix they are looking at is to accelerate the earning of CP for the have-nots. I am not sure what this fixes. The problem isn't that some people are earning CP too slowly. The problem is that some people earn CP too fast and they made each point way too powerful.
Sadly, they cannot fix Champion System. All they can do is attempt to dilute it. I cannot say they were not warned. I was not one of the ones doing the warning, but the message was there back in January.
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✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »I don't get the whining about CPs, the champion system is simply amazing, it keeps you wanting to play more and more because you know you are getting more powerful.
Isn't it the most normal thing in the world for people that play more to have stronger characters than people that play less?
Why on Earth would you have a character just as strong if you've put less time into the game? I only have 100 CPs but I have no desire to be as strong as someone with 1000 CPs, he put in the time and effort and he deserves the be stronger than me. If I beat someone like that on sheer skill, I just have more to be proud of.
^ This guy gets it.
Thank you for not being part of the "I want it all and I want it now for no effort" generation.
I'm 31 and actually WORK for a living. And when I say WORK, I mean climb telephone poles for a actual money, not for gold or TV stones, real U.S. currency. It's called a job, it's where your parents are all day, while you are "working" grinding in a video game. So I don't feel like grinding for hours in a video game.
You already are stronger than a lower level player. You have more skills, magic, stam, health, better armor, more knowledge of gameplay, more damage resistant, and do more damage. But that's isn't enough for you guys. You want even more of everything, so you can feel more powerful. You want it to be less about skill and more about hours grinded. I think the game should be more about skill. The vet14 maybe wasn't enough for PC players after 6moths, that's why they introduced the CPs. But consoles haven't hit the wall yet. But the PC transfers are through the wall and are 6 months past it.
<-- 40, wife and kids, work in the oilfield, and on-call 24/7. Try again, sweetheart.
I still find plenty of time to earn my rank, gear, and Champion Points. I can't help it that Zenimax allowed PC transfers when PC players have been playing for well over a year and you guys are just now getting to play ESO on console. That's not my fault. There's no need to gimp those of us who have been playing since day 1 because Zenimax allowed overpowered PC transfers to console.0 -
markt84✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »What you people fail to realize is that the Champion Point system has diminishing returns. The more points you put into a star, the less and less you get out of it each time. Even with only 50 points in a star, I'm already only getting 0.1% increase per point.
Instead of crying and wanting free and easy Champion Points, ask Zenimax to implement a non-veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled, and a veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled. It's as simple as that.
On second thought, even that wouldn't work. Then you would be crying about how they are still VR14 and have more skills and better gear than you do.....
Haha come on dude, everyone knows those CPs give you a HUGE advantage, if they didn't, people like you wouldn't stick up for them so defiantly. It's what 33% stam, magic, and health regen, with 33% more spell resistant and physical resistance, along with 33% more spell absorbition and so on. Yeah 33% isn't a much. But please keep telling people about the dimisnihing return. A vet can hold his own against let's say 5 dudes and maybe kill a few if not all before he drops. A v14 with maxed cp points can whipe out 10 high level players with ease. It wasn't the more more attribute skills he acquired, it was the 33% bump in everything
But like I said a non-PC transfer campaign would be great. But the PC transfers would hate that, it would suck having to play people on your level0 -
I'm 31 and actually WORK for a living. And when I say WORK, I mean climb telephone poles for a actual money, not for gold or TV stones, real U.S. currency. It's called a job, it's where your parents are all day, while you are "working" grinding in a video game. So I don't feel like grinding for hours in a video game..
So does my 6 figure computer programming salary not count as a job since I don't climb poles like a monkey?
Also I am almost 25. Are you upset? Go play another game if you want, plebian.
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✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »What you people fail to realize is that the Champion Point system has diminishing returns. The more points you put into a star, the less and less you get out of it each time. Even with only 50 points in a star, I'm already only getting 0.1% increase per point.
Instead of crying and wanting free and easy Champion Points, ask Zenimax to implement a non-veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled, and a veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled. It's as simple as that.
On second thought, even that wouldn't work. Then you would be crying about how they are still VR14 and have more skills and better gear than you do.....
Haha come on dude, everyone knows those CPs give you a HUGE advantage, if they didn't, people like you wouldn't stick up for them so defiantly. It's what 33% stam, magic, and health regen, with 33% more spell resistant and physical resistance, along with 33% more spell absorbition and so on. Yeah 33% isn't a much. But please keep telling people about the dimisnihing return. A vet can hold his own against let's say 5 dudes and maybe kill a few if not all before he drops. A v14 with maxed cp points can whipe out 10 high level players with ease. It wasn't the more more attribute skills he acquired, it was the 33% bump in everything
But like I said a non-PC transfer campaign would be great. But the PC transfers would hate that, it would suck having to play people on your level
The various passives cap at 25%, some as low as 12%, and to reach that requires 100 Champion Points in that star. There are a maximum of 3,600 Champion Points available, which no one is even remotely close to reaching yet.
I suggest you read up on the Champion System and how it works before you post.
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markt84✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »I don't get the whining about CPs, the champion system is simply amazing, it keeps you wanting to play more and more because you know you are getting more powerful.
Isn't it the most normal thing in the world for people that play more to have stronger characters than people that play less?
Why on Earth would you have a character just as strong if you've put less time into the game? I only have 100 CPs but I have no desire to be as strong as someone with 1000 CPs, he put in the time and effort and he deserves the be stronger than me. If I beat someone like that on sheer skill, I just have more to be proud of.
^ This guy gets it.
Thank you for not being part of the "I want it all and I want it now for no effort" generation.
I'm 31 and actually WORK for a living. And when I say WORK, I mean climb telephone poles for a actual money, not for gold or TV stones, real U.S. currency. It's called a job, it's where your parents are all day, while you are "working" grinding in a video game. So I don't feel like grinding for hours in a video game.
You already are stronger than a lower level player. You have more skills, magic, stam, health, better armor, more knowledge of gameplay, more damage resistant, and do more damage. But that's isn't enough for you guys. You want even more of everything, so you can feel more powerful. You want it to be less about skill and more about hours grinded. I think the game should be more about skill. The vet14 maybe wasn't enough for PC players after 6moths, that's why they introduced the CPs. But consoles haven't hit the wall yet. But the PC transfers are through the wall and are 6 months past it.
<-- 40, wife and kids, work in the oilfield, and on-call 24/7. Try again, sweetheart.
I still find plenty of time to earn my rank, gear, and Champion Points. I can't help it that Zenimax allowed PC transfers when PC players have been playing for well over a year and you guys are just now getting to play ESO on console. That's not my fault. There's no need to gimp those of us who have been playing since day 1 because Zenimax allowed overpowered PC transfers to console.
Hahaha on call 24/7 working on a rig. Since you are being so honest, why did you switch to consoles? I mean PC is the better version, why the downgrade? Was it to feel like the big man in a video game? Sweetheart1 -
markt84✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »What you people fail to realize is that the Champion Point system has diminishing returns. The more points you put into a star, the less and less you get out of it each time. Even with only 50 points in a star, I'm already only getting 0.1% increase per point.
Instead of crying and wanting free and easy Champion Points, ask Zenimax to implement a non-veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled, and a veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled. It's as simple as that.
On second thought, even that wouldn't work. Then you would be crying about how they are still VR14 and have more skills and better gear than you do.....
Haha come on dude, everyone knows those CPs give you a HUGE advantage, if they didn't, people like you wouldn't stick up for them so defiantly. It's what 33% stam, magic, and health regen, with 33% more spell resistant and physical resistance, along with 33% more spell absorbition and so on. Yeah 33% isn't a much. But please keep telling people about the dimisnihing return. A vet can hold his own against let's say 5 dudes and maybe kill a few if not all before he drops. A v14 with maxed cp points can whipe out 10 high level players with ease. It wasn't the more more attribute skills he acquired, it was the 33% bump in everything
But like I said a non-PC transfer campaign would be great. But the PC transfers would hate that, it would suck having to play people on your level
The various passives cap at 25%, some as low as 12%, and to reach that requires 100 Champion Points in that star. There are a maximum of 3,600 Champion Points available, which no one is even remotely close to reaching yet.
I suggest you read up on the Champion System and how it works before you post.
VR14 players were taking on and slaughtering groups of 5 to 10 opponents before the Champion System was even introduced.
Good point, I'm sorry 25% more of everything doesn't make a difference. Sorry, i was way off on the CPs1 -
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✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »I don't get the whining about CPs, the champion system is simply amazing, it keeps you wanting to play more and more because you know you are getting more powerful.
Isn't it the most normal thing in the world for people that play more to have stronger characters than people that play less?
Why on Earth would you have a character just as strong if you've put less time into the game? I only have 100 CPs but I have no desire to be as strong as someone with 1000 CPs, he put in the time and effort and he deserves the be stronger than me. If I beat someone like that on sheer skill, I just have more to be proud of.
^ This guy gets it.
Thank you for not being part of the "I want it all and I want it now for no effort" generation.
I'm 31 and actually WORK for a living. And when I say WORK, I mean climb telephone poles for a actual money, not for gold or TV stones, real U.S. currency. It's called a job, it's where your parents are all day, while you are "working" grinding in a video game. So I don't feel like grinding for hours in a video game.
You already are stronger than a lower level player. You have more skills, magic, stam, health, better armor, more knowledge of gameplay, more damage resistant, and do more damage. But that's isn't enough for you guys. You want even more of everything, so you can feel more powerful. You want it to be less about skill and more about hours grinded. I think the game should be more about skill. The vet14 maybe wasn't enough for PC players after 6moths, that's why they introduced the CPs. But consoles haven't hit the wall yet. But the PC transfers are through the wall and are 6 months past it.
<-- 40, wife and kids, work in the oilfield, and on-call 24/7. Try again, sweetheart.
I still find plenty of time to earn my rank, gear, and Champion Points. I can't help it that Zenimax allowed PC transfers when PC players have been playing for well over a year and you guys are just now getting to play ESO on console. That's not my fault. There's no need to gimp those of us who have been playing since day 1 because Zenimax allowed overpowered PC transfers to console.
Hahaha on call 24/7 working on a rig. Since you are being so honest, why did you switch to consoles? I mean PC is the better version, why the downgrade? Was it to feel like the big man in a video game? Sweetheart
Again, sweetheart, I still play on PC. I didn't transfer to console. You couldn't pay me enough to play on something that has no text chat, no easy way to group, no addons, no easy way to trade, and having to hear random people's crying kids and barking dogs in the background the entire time I'm playing. I'll stick with playing on PC, thank you.
So keep your Champion Point tear fest constrained to the consoles.Edited by Akavir_Sentinel on July 26, 2015 11:08PM0 -
markt84✭✭✭itzsarcazm wrote: »
I'm 31 and actually WORK for a living. And when I say WORK, I mean climb telephone poles for a actual money, not for gold or TV stones, real U.S. currency. It's called a job, it's where your parents are all day, while you are "working" grinding in a video game. So I don't feel like grinding for hours in a video game..
So does my 6 figure computer programming salary not count as a job since I don't climb poles like a monkey?
Also I am almost 25. Are you upset? Go play another game if you want, plebian.
Ok, I've been making 6 figures since I was 25 too. What's your point?0 -
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✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »What you people fail to realize is that the Champion Point system has diminishing returns. The more points you put into a star, the less and less you get out of it each time. Even with only 50 points in a star, I'm already only getting 0.1% increase per point.
Instead of crying and wanting free and easy Champion Points, ask Zenimax to implement a non-veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled, and a veteran campaign with Champion Points disabled. It's as simple as that.
On second thought, even that wouldn't work. Then you would be crying about how they are still VR14 and have more skills and better gear than you do.....
Haha come on dude, everyone knows those CPs give you a HUGE advantage, if they didn't, people like you wouldn't stick up for them so defiantly. It's what 33% stam, magic, and health regen, with 33% more spell resistant and physical resistance, along with 33% more spell absorbition and so on. Yeah 33% isn't a much. But please keep telling people about the dimisnihing return. A vet can hold his own against let's say 5 dudes and maybe kill a few if not all before he drops. A v14 with maxed cp points can whipe out 10 high level players with ease. It wasn't the more more attribute skills he acquired, it was the 33% bump in everything
But like I said a non-PC transfer campaign would be great. But the PC transfers would hate that, it would suck having to play people on your level
The various passives cap at 25%, some as low as 12%, and to reach that requires 100 Champion Points in that star. There are a maximum of 3,600 Champion Points available, which no one is even remotely close to reaching yet.
I suggest you read up on the Champion System and how it works before you post.
VR14 players were taking on and slaughtering groups of 5 to 10 opponents before the Champion System was even introduced.
@Akavir_Sentinel The increase to the 3 main stats (health, magicka, stamina) can easily reach 50% on each when comparing 0 CPs and 3600 CPs. Not everything is capped at 25%.
The "diminishing returns" are a joke.Wololo.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If a new player is going to use a slippery slope fallacy to justify breaking the terms of service, they shouldn't play the game.
But, you know, thanks for reading and stuff.signing off1 -
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