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How do people deal with nb's?
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Daladier✭✭Bfish22090 wrote: »Don't travel by horse. Have more armor. Use stuns and detect pots and abilities that go through dodge roll.
Use nirnhoned. Travel in groups. Have one hand and shield skill defense stance up 24/7 so you don't get ranged
Defensive posture doesn't work against projectiles. It only works against spells. And you can only get so much physical resistance, you can't get nirn as your trait to stack spell resist. With the 50% dmg reduction it will certainly help non gankers have a chance against bow/2h gankers.0 -
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »It's ridiculous, sorc and nb's need nerfing so much, dk's and templars stand no chance.
This is funny because not too long ago it was DKs that everyone was saying were OP and needed to be nerfed. I haven't played the game since then but it's still entertaining to watch the ebb and flow of OPness and Nerfmania in ESO.0 -
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✭NB = assassin. If an assassin can't kill people fast enough in the dark then thats a dam fail one. Also, nobody forces you to ride a horse, you can just sneak and walk which is 99.99% guarentee no gank on ya.
Or ride off the beaten path for crissakes. Or put stam on your horse and/or don't let your horse run out of stam. Back in the day I had a lot of stam on my horse and never let the stam dip below 50% and had very few issues with being knocked off.0 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It's ridiculous, sorc and nb's need nerfing so much, dk's and templars stand no chance.
This is funny because not too long ago it was DKs that everyone was saying were OP and needed to be nerfed. I haven't played the game since then but it's still entertaining to watch the ebb and flow of OPness and Nerfmania in ESO.
Reflective Scales was OP. It's not anymore though still strong.
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✭✭✭✭✭@jkemmery look you can believe what you want to believe, but I promise you fear can be broken.
and just for you if you watch this video more specifcally at 5:39 you can see fear being broken. There is at least 20 instances of fear being cc broken in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Q479OcnUc Edited by yodased on July 23, 2015 10:03PMTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭@jkemmery look you can believe what you want to believe, but I promise you fear can be broken.
@yodased
Promises aren't proof my friend. No one I know out of all of the people I have played with and the cumulative thousands of hours they have played have EVER seen it happen. Show me proof, then I'll believe you. Hundreds of VR14 players with thousands of hours playing in PVP disagree however.0 -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭I think all of the people saying fear can be broken are playing NBs and don't want ZOS to nerf their OP skill.0
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✭lol, if fear couldn't be broken these forums would have more than one thread about op NBs. YOU'RE having a problem breaking fear for whatever reason, if EVERYONE had a problem breaking fear, the outcry on here would be huge.0 -
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✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »lol, if fear couldn't be broken these forums would have more than one thread about op NBs. YOU'RE having a problem breaking fear for whatever reason, if EVERYONE had a problem breaking fear, the outcry on here would be huge.
The best thing about ESO has always been the entertainment to be found on the forums.0 -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭@yodased
Nobody breaks fear, at least not where you say it happens, or anywhere within about a minute before or after.
When I say "break fear" and what it means is that, once you become feared, you do a bash and break out of it, like any other CC. No player does that in your video. Maybe some block or are unaffected by it, but nobody, at least not in the portion you specify breaks fear.
And you play a NB so obviously, you don't want your special get free kills button taken away.
But in the place you say, no one is breaking out of fear. In fact, your video proves my point. You fear and kill players with ease. I suppose you think it's because of your skill as a player. Hate to burst your bubble ... you've got an OP skill that no one can counter and your video proves it.Edited by jkemmery on July 23, 2015 10:24PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »It's ridiculous, sorc and nb's need nerfing so much, dk's and templars stand no chance.
You create a cry-post about NBs, then start crying about sorcs, then start crying about nerfing both? lol
Why don't you just learn to deal with the ganking as best you can, and learn what exploits are going on so you know it's exploits currently unfixed by Zeni and not the class.
Then do something useful and start making posts asking Zeni to fix the exploits.
let me guess you play both, defend your op class more
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Nobody breaks fear, at least not where you say it happens, or anywhere within about a minute before or after.
When I say "break fear" and what it means is that, once you become feared, you do a bash and break out of it, like any other CC. No player does that in your video. Maybe some block or are unaffected by it, but nobody, at least not in the portion you specify breaks fear.
And you play a NB so obviously, you don't want your special get free kills button taken away.
But in the place you say, no one is breaking out of fear. In fact, your video proves my point. You fear and kill players with ease. I suppose you think it's because of your skill as a player. Hate to burst your bubble ... you've got an OP skill that no one can counter and your video proves it.
I'm a NB.
I don't use any form of Fear Abilities.
I press Left-Mouse-Button AND Right-Mouse-Button down at the same time = Breaking out of fear.
Break-Free might be buggy at times, but it breaks fear just like it breaks any other stun.Nighren - The Shadow StrikerLeader of Bloodlines-- EU --
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✭✭✭✭✭@jkemmery thats not me in the video #1. #2 I can't help you see better, they obviously do exactly what you are saying they don't do so not sure if serious.
#3 I have one of every class so uh yeah I play a NB, but I also play a sorc, a templar and a magic AND an stam DK
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Nobody breaks fear, at least not where you say it happens, or anywhere within about a minute before or after.
When I say "break fear" and what it means is that, once you become feared, you do a bash and break out of it, like any other CC. No player does that in your video. Maybe some block or are unaffected by it, but nobody, at least not in the portion you specify breaks fear.
You can clearly see the dude hitting mass hysteria (hits it about 3 times at 5:35), target is feared, then they immediately break free. The proof is they're given cc immunity right after (the white lines flashing around the players legs, but I'm sure you know that right).0 -
Nallenil✭✭✭People have not met nbs who snipe, ambush and conceal weapon in less than a millisecond yet, oh... And proximity...
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Dahkoht✭✭✭✭✭Curious , what class do you all think has the usual best chance of surviving a NB gank in IC once it launches and the dmg reduction is in etc.
Full out tank , healer etc ?
And survive not as in win and kill the NB , just survive the initial burst , and be able to sustain enough to escape or make it extremely dangerous for the NB to continue to try as the longer it goes the more a chance of someone else showing up etc.
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✭✭✭✭✭Blame zos for ignoring all the fixes to the class(es) and making it unbearable in pvp, heavy attacks from bows hitting 20k+ being able to use fear twice in a row and unable to break it, piercing mark being broken and reducing your total spell resistance for more than 85%. Maces ignoring 100% of your armor, biting jabs hitting through block. radiant oppression still hasn't been fixed. dawnbreaker is broken. camo hunter procing non stop.
inb4 zos ban me#MOREORBS0 -
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✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »lol, if fear couldn't be broken these forums would have more than one thread about op NBs. YOU'RE having a problem breaking fear for whatever reason, if EVERYONE had a problem breaking fear, the outcry on here would be huge.
Oh pls...every single PvP'er have problems breaking Fear instantly. During lag, it gets even worse.
Of course you can break it eventually, but takes way to long. By the time you get it of, the NB already had plenty time getting Incapacitating Strike or Dawnbreaker of, for example. If not, be sure his buddies had time to wreck you.
If you compare it to other cc, let's say the knock from Wrecking Blow, even you should see the difference and the problem. I can break the first one mid-air and it cancels the knock down instantly. But Fear, guessing due to the flashy animation, often takes 1-3 second to break. That's pretty much a game breaker in PvP with current low TTK.
Another fun fact about Fear. Use it on a mounted player and he cant break it at all, he cant dismount either. Free kill.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »lol, if fear couldn't be broken these forums would have more than one thread about op NBs. YOU'RE having a problem breaking fear for whatever reason, if EVERYONE had a problem breaking fear, the outcry on here would be huge.
Oh pls...every single PvP'er have problems breaking Fear instantly. During lag, it gets even worse.
Of course you can break it eventually, but takes way to long. By the time you get it of, the NB already had plenty time getting Incapacitating Strike or Dawnbreaker of, for example. If not, be sure his buddies had time to wreck you.
If you compare it to other cc, let's say the knock from Wrecking Blow, even you should see the difference and the problem. I can break the first one mid-air and it cancels the knock down instantly. But Fear, guessing due to the flashy animation, often takes 1-3 second to break. That's pretty much a game breaker in PvP with current low TTK.
Another fun fact about Fear. Use it on a mounted player and he cant break it at all, he cant dismount either. Free kill.
Im curious do the various 'reduce area where you can be detected' work with things like detection pots and radiant magelight?PS4 EU DC
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✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »I PVP almost every day. Won awards in Chillerend all 3 times. Yup. I do it a lot. I mow through Night Blade's like butter.
@danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO
Then how do you counter fear? Seriously, I want to know, because it's why I've quit playing.
I have half my stats in health for my VR14 Nord DK, went to all heavy armor, 4 Hist Bark, 4(with weapon) Whitestrakes for health and regen. I can do nothing about Fear, and if I don't die while still in Fear, my health is so low I can't recover before being burned down.
So share with us your secret.
You counter Fear by using break free, simple and functional. And yes I PvP, and yes it works.
Only time I ever struggle is if there is zerg lag around and then all skills, break frees etc. are flaky anyway.0 -
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✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »lol, if fear couldn't be broken these forums would have more than one thread about op NBs. YOU'RE having a problem breaking fear for whatever reason, if EVERYONE had a problem breaking fear, the outcry on here would be huge.
Oh pls...every single PvP'er have problems breaking Fear instantly. During lag, it gets even worse.
Of course you can break it eventually, but takes way to long. By the time you get it of, the NB already had plenty time getting Incapacitating Strike or Dawnbreaker of, for example. If not, be sure his buddies had time to wreck you.
If you compare it to other cc, let's say the knock from Wrecking Blow, even you should see the difference and the problem. I can break the first one mid-air and it cancels the knock down instantly. But Fear, guessing due to the flashy animation, often takes 1-3 second to break. That's pretty much a game breaker in PvP with current low TTK.
Another fun fact about Fear. Use it on a mounted player and he cant break it at all, he cant dismount either. Free kill.
No, if fear was unbreakable by EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME, like this guy is suggesting, you wouldn't just be seeing the odd comment here and there like you currently see. Personally, I've never had a problem breaking fear, it happens instantly. I have had problems with cc before, like being pinned to the ground for 20 seconds, unable to break free. But fear, other than times of extreme lag when no skills work, I break fear as quickly as that guy in the video.0 -
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Fear is sometimes hitting twice due to lag, first time you can break it, second time you can'tpmn100b16_ESO wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »lol, if fear couldn't be broken these forums would have more than one thread about op NBs. YOU'RE having a problem breaking fear for whatever reason, if EVERYONE had a problem breaking fear, the outcry on here would be huge.
Oh pls...every single PvP'er have problems breaking Fear instantly. During lag, it gets even worse.
Of course you can break it eventually, but takes way to long. By the time you get it of, the NB already had plenty time getting Incapacitating Strike or Dawnbreaker of, for example. If not, be sure his buddies had time to wreck you.
If you compare it to other cc, let's say the knock from Wrecking Blow, even you should see the difference and the problem. I can break the first one mid-air and it cancels the knock down instantly. But Fear, guessing due to the flashy animation, often takes 1-3 second to break. That's pretty much a game breaker in PvP with current low TTK.
Another fun fact about Fear. Use it on a mounted player and he cant break it at all, he cant dismount either. Free kill.
No, if fear was unbreakable by EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME, like this guy is suggesting, you wouldn't just be seeing the odd comment here and there like you currently see. Personally, I've never had a problem breaking fear, it happens instantly. I have had problems with cc before, like being pinned to the ground for 20 seconds, unable to break free. But fear, other than times of extreme lag when no skills work, I break fear as quickly as that guy in the video.
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Cookiethief✭✭✭NBs are cowards, it annoys me they just are getting buffed... I'm a magic nb so I'm lucky enough to have mark target and 90% of the time they aren't running purge. But for you detect pots and Mage light, but detect pots are getting needed, so maybe revealing flare? And stay off your horse and keep your shield up if you know they are around. And try keep a little distance to get away from fearMy biggest fear in life is, ending up marrying a girl who is lactose intolerant, think about it you would have to purchase double the amount of milk every week, cause you enjoy the goodness of full cream milk and she is drinking soy beans, and her milk takes up extra room in the fridge, or when you are doing a midnight run to the fridge to get a nice cup of milk and to accidentally pour some Soy milk. I couldn't imagine a worst way to do married life. - Barry Scott0 -
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✭✭Btw Fear can save your life, I have beeb out of stamina, held by talons in a banner and been hit with fear... Apparently that overrides talons and I ran free of the banner and lived... Happened at least a couple of times for me.1 -
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Lol it's helped me a few times tooSuraklinPrime wrote: »Btw Fear can save your life, I have beeb out of stamina, held by talons in a banner and been hit with fear... Apparently that overrides talons and I ran free of the banner and lived... Happened at least a couple of times for me.
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Fear is sometimes hitting twice due to lag, first time you can break it, second time you can'tpmn100b16_ESO wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »lol, if fear couldn't be broken these forums would have more than one thread about op NBs. YOU'RE having a problem breaking fear for whatever reason, if EVERYONE had a problem breaking fear, the outcry on here would be huge.
Oh pls...every single PvP'er have problems breaking Fear instantly. During lag, it gets even worse.
Of course you can break it eventually, but takes way to long. By the time you get it of, the NB already had plenty time getting Incapacitating Strike or Dawnbreaker of, for example. If not, be sure his buddies had time to wreck you.
If you compare it to other cc, let's say the knock from Wrecking Blow, even you should see the difference and the problem. I can break the first one mid-air and it cancels the knock down instantly. But Fear, guessing due to the flashy animation, often takes 1-3 second to break. That's pretty much a game breaker in PvP with current low TTK.
Another fun fact about Fear. Use it on a mounted player and he cant break it at all, he cant dismount either. Free kill.
No, if fear was unbreakable by EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME, like this guy is suggesting, you wouldn't just be seeing the odd comment here and there like you currently see. Personally, I've never had a problem breaking fear, it happens instantly. I have had problems with cc before, like being pinned to the ground for 20 seconds, unable to break free. But fear, other than times of extreme lag when no skills work, I break fear as quickly as that guy in the video.
okay again...
the guy is suggesting fear is an unbreakable cc. That is incorrect. There's a big difference between an unbreakable cc by design, and a cc you sometimes can't break because of lag, or because you're on a horse or whatever.0 -
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Do I really have to word it even more simple than I did?pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
Fear is sometimes hitting twice due to lag, first time you can break it, second time you can'tpmn100b16_ESO wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »lol, if fear couldn't be broken these forums would have more than one thread about op NBs. YOU'RE having a problem breaking fear for whatever reason, if EVERYONE had a problem breaking fear, the outcry on here would be huge.
Oh pls...every single PvP'er have problems breaking Fear instantly. During lag, it gets even worse.
Of course you can break it eventually, but takes way to long. By the time you get it of, the NB already had plenty time getting Incapacitating Strike or Dawnbreaker of, for example. If not, be sure his buddies had time to wreck you.
If you compare it to other cc, let's say the knock from Wrecking Blow, even you should see the difference and the problem. I can break the first one mid-air and it cancels the knock down instantly. But Fear, guessing due to the flashy animation, often takes 1-3 second to break. That's pretty much a game breaker in PvP with current low TTK.
Another fun fact about Fear. Use it on a mounted player and he cant break it at all, he cant dismount either. Free kill.
No, if fear was unbreakable by EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME, like this guy is suggesting, you wouldn't just be seeing the odd comment here and there like you currently see. Personally, I've never had a problem breaking fear, it happens instantly. I have had problems with cc before, like being pinned to the ground for 20 seconds, unable to break free. But fear, other than times of extreme lag when no skills work, I break fear as quickly as that guy in the video.
okay again...
the guy is suggesting fear is an unbreakable cc. That is incorrect. There's a big difference between an unbreakable cc by design, and a cc you sometimes can't break because of lag, or because you're on a horse or whatever.
It's happened a few times, you get hit by fear, break it, lag doesn't register it so you get hit again by it, you can't cc it. Open field fight.
Many people have experienced it, it's caused by lag you get hit twice by it.#MOREORBS0 -
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Do I really have to word it even more simple than I did?pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
Fear is sometimes hitting twice due to lag, first time you can break it, second time you can'tpmn100b16_ESO wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »lol, if fear couldn't be broken these forums would have more than one thread about op NBs. YOU'RE having a problem breaking fear for whatever reason, if EVERYONE had a problem breaking fear, the outcry on here would be huge.
Oh pls...every single PvP'er have problems breaking Fear instantly. During lag, it gets even worse.
Of course you can break it eventually, but takes way to long. By the time you get it of, the NB already had plenty time getting Incapacitating Strike or Dawnbreaker of, for example. If not, be sure his buddies had time to wreck you.
If you compare it to other cc, let's say the knock from Wrecking Blow, even you should see the difference and the problem. I can break the first one mid-air and it cancels the knock down instantly. But Fear, guessing due to the flashy animation, often takes 1-3 second to break. That's pretty much a game breaker in PvP with current low TTK.
Another fun fact about Fear. Use it on a mounted player and he cant break it at all, he cant dismount either. Free kill.
No, if fear was unbreakable by EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME, like this guy is suggesting, you wouldn't just be seeing the odd comment here and there like you currently see. Personally, I've never had a problem breaking fear, it happens instantly. I have had problems with cc before, like being pinned to the ground for 20 seconds, unable to break free. But fear, other than times of extreme lag when no skills work, I break fear as quickly as that guy in the video.
okay again...
the guy is suggesting fear is an unbreakable cc. That is incorrect. There's a big difference between an unbreakable cc by design, and a cc you sometimes can't break because of lag, or because you're on a horse or whatever.
It's happened a few times, you get hit by fear, break it, lag doesn't register it so you get hit again by it, you can't cc it. Open field fight.
Many people have experienced it, it's caused by lag you get hit twice by it.
Oh god, read again. The guy is suggesting it can't be broken EVER, by ANYONE. He is not talking about lag, he didn't say I can't break fear sometimes because of lag, something I'm not even denying like you seem to think. I'm telling him it isn't an unbreakable cc by design, that is all. Then all of a sudden a bunch of people jump in the thread telling us how they can't break fear sometimes because of lag. THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE HERE.
Get it now? Because if not, I don't care.Edited by pmn100b16_ESO on July 24, 2015 12:11AM0 -
PhatGrimReaper✭✭✭✭✭OP Question: How do people deal with nbs?
Yes you can break fear.... Yes you can cleanse mark.... yes AoE breaks them out of stealth.... yes, if you can survive the burst damage they will melt because they are glass cannons.
There are different styles of NBs just like there are different styles of every other class. With the ganky, high burst stamblades it's all about the burst. With the stam regen builds, it's about dodgy dodge roll and then you have the sap tanks that can survive almost anything, but hit like a wet noodle.
Whichever style one plays has strengths and weaknesses just like any other class... I personally rock a magicka/spell damage heavy armor wearing DK and don't have a particular issue with NBs.... then again, I travel in mist form almost constantly. Do I get ganked from time to time when I am careless.... yes. Do I absolutely crush a glass cannon type NB if I get my hands on him.... yes.
Less QQ and more time into your build is the best thing you can do if you are getting dominated.
PS: Sorcs on the other hand........
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