How do people deal with nb's?

leepalmer95 · July 2015

90% of the time in cyrodiil some random ganking nb comes out of no where, manages to drain my entire stamina in 2-3 hits then i just can't do anything. If i do manage to survive they immediately cloak and despite me using both cloak + a detection i can never find them until they attack me with a focused aim or surprise attack.

Is there actually any viable counter to nb's or are we all just going to accept death as theirs cloaks getting buffed next patch.

IcyDeadPeople · July 2015

detect pots, radiant magelight

Troneon · July 2015

If they are macro sniping...

Nothing you can do, your dead in one blink of an eye with no way to react.

#fixesopvp #balancechamppoints #fixlag #fixbugs&exploits

Bfish22090 · July 2015

Don't travel by horse. Have more armor. Use stuns and detect pots and abilities that go through dodge roll.
Use nirnhoned. Travel in groups. Have one hand and shield skill defense stance up 24/7 so you don't get ranged

WillhelmBlack · July 2015

Get up from my knocked over horse, 2 x Breath of Life, Toppling Charge, 2 x Puncturing Sweep, Jesus Beam.

leepalmer95 · July 2015

It's ridiculous, sorc and nb's need nerfing so much, dk's and templars stand no chance.

jkemmery · July 2015

To be honest, I've all but quit playing due to the OPness of NBs in Cyrodiil. It's ridiculous and I have much better things to do with my time than to try to deal with one class that has uncounterable abilities, like fear and cloak.

The only examples given so far are essentially impossible to do all the time. Cyrodiil has become a gank-fest, not a battle between factions but a Nightblade free-for-all. No thanks, other games to play.

leepalmer95 · July 2015

jkemmery wrote: »

To be honest, I've all but quit playing due to the OPness of NBs in Cyrodiil. It's ridiculous and I have much better things to do with my time than to try to deal with one class that has uncounterable abilities, like fear and cloak.

The only examples given so far are essentially impossible to do all the time. Cyrodiil has become a gank-fest, not a battle between factions but a Nightblade free-for-all. No thanks, other games to play.

that and sorc's , a sorc can simply out tank/dps and maneuver my class even if they have rand gear. A nb can use a unavoidable cc which slows/reduces my dmg and makes me lose control of my character and half the time won't break. Also detect pots have terrible range considering nb's can sneak faster than they walk, radiant magelight just doesn't work either.

yodased · July 2015

well if you are getting ganked from a stealth stamblade on a horse then it is what it is, that is exactly what they are built for.

I will mark the location on my map when I respawn then run back.

If I"m on my DK i just make sure I have wings up constant as I search the area.

If I am on my templar I have my trusty sentry set to find those buggers.

If I am on my NB I will be patient and wait for him to try to gank someone else and show him a beating afterwards.

If I am on my sorc then shield stack and clanfear (who tends to attack in close range to detected people) and of course bolt for CC and escape.

They have counters, albeit you kind of have to play against their strength which means dying to them first

leepalmer95 · July 2015

yodased wrote: »

well if you are getting ganked from a stealth stamblade on a horse then it is what it is, that is exactly what they are built for.

I will mark the location on my map when I respawn then run back.

If I"m on my DK i just make sure I have wings up constant as I search the area.

If I am on my templar I have my trusty sentry set to find those buggers.

If I am on my NB I will be patient and wait for him to try to gank someone else and show him a beating afterwards.

If I am on my sorc then shield stack and clanfear (who tends to attack in close range to detected people) and of course bolt for CC and escape.

They have counters, albeit you kind of have to play against their strength which means dying to them first

i don't have the magicka to spam wings constantly, i switched to inner light as i liked the magicka bonus, but i hate the way everyone is forced to use radiant despite it not detecting anyone just to avoid being 1 hit killed.

Robbmrp · July 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

90% of the time in cyrodiil some random ganking nb comes out of no where, manages to drain my entire stamina in 2-3 hits then i just can't do anything. If i do manage to survive they immediately cloak and despite me using both cloak + a detection i can never find them until they attack me with a focused aim or surprise attack.

Is there actually any viable counter to nb's or are we all just going to accept death as theirs cloaks getting buffed next patch.

I try and hit them with my car while they are chasing mice.....

In Cyrodil, I let someone else hit them first and then Jesus beam them to the face....

leepalmer95 · July 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

90% of the time in cyrodiil some random ganking nb comes out of no where, manages to drain my entire stamina in 2-3 hits then i just can't do anything. If i do manage to survive they immediately cloak and despite me using both cloak + a detection i can never find them until they attack me with a focused aim or surprise attack.

Is there actually any viable counter to nb's or are we all just going to accept death as theirs cloaks getting buffed next patch.

I try and hit them with my car while they are chasing mice.....

In Cyrodil, I let someone else hit them first and then Jesus beam them to the face....

i feel bad for templars next patch, no stam regen when blocking and jesus beam being nerfed.

Robbmrp · July 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

90% of the time in cyrodiil some random ganking nb comes out of no where, manages to drain my entire stamina in 2-3 hits then i just can't do anything. If i do manage to survive they immediately cloak and despite me using both cloak + a detection i can never find them until they attack me with a focused aim or surprise attack.

Is there actually any viable counter to nb's or are we all just going to accept death as theirs cloaks getting buffed next patch.

I try and hit them with my car while they are chasing mice.....

In Cyrodil, I let someone else hit them first and then Jesus beam them to the face....

i feel bad for templars next patch, no stam regen when blocking and jesus beam being nerfed.

Who isn't getting nerfed at some point. The way that everyone complains about every character and the spells we use, after the next major nerdate we will have to have tickle wars....

cyx54tc · July 2015

NB = assassin. If an assassin can't kill people fast enough in the dark then thats a dam fail one. Also, nobody forces you to ride a horse, you can just sneak and walk which is 99.99% guarentee no gank on ya.

myrrrorb14_ESO · July 2015

I kill more NBs than any other class by far. Magelight to see them AOEs to knock them out of stealth and a couple well place single target attacks. I feel bad for them, they are squishy.

Pirhana7_ESO · July 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

90% of the time in cyrodiil some random ganking nb comes out of no where, manages to drain my entire stamina in 2-3 hits then i just can't do anything. If i do manage to survive they immediately cloak and despite me using both cloak + a detection i can never find them until they attack me with a focused aim or surprise attack.

Is there actually any viable counter to nb's or are we all just going to accept death as theirs cloaks getting buffed next patch.

Radiant Mage Light works very well. Even if you are pure stamina spec you can still put it on your secondary bar as a utility, not only dies it help you uncover them but it also makes it so sneak attacks only do half damage on you and DO NOT stun you

cyx54tc · July 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

It's ridiculous, sorc and nb's need nerfing so much, dk's and templars stand no chance.

Should i even point out jesus beam...

UglyTriangle · July 2015

cyx54tc wrote: »

NB = assassin. If an assassin can't kill people fast enough in the dark then thats a dam fail one. Also, nobody forces you to ride a horse, you can just sneak and walk which is 99.99% guarentee no gank on ya.

Nobody wants to sneak everywhere just to avoid being snipe-spammed to death by NBs.

cyx54tc · July 2015

UglyTriangle wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

NB = assassin. If an assassin can't kill people fast enough in the dark then thats a dam fail one. Also, nobody forces you to ride a horse, you can just sneak and walk which is 99.99% guarentee no gank on ya.

Nobody wants to sneak everywhere just to avoid being snipe-spammed to death by NBs.

Well, you can get one shooted with snipe by any class... NB only gives 10% sneak bonus which is not too much. And you can't possibly expect people who live in shadow to ambush people hits just as hard as all other people rite.

Bromburak · July 2015

You can be snipe spammed or at least quick shotted by any class, especially when you run around like "here i am" targets. So please keep in my mind that most of the time when you get surprised , you are responsible for this.

If you roam like elephants deal with the consequence.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

It's ridiculous, sorc and nb's need nerfing so much, dk's and templars stand no chance.

Not even remotely accurate. A high health, heavy armor Templar is the Night Blade's worst nightmare. Once most NBs 1st attack gets dusted off with a few breath of lifes, their only options left are to die or run for the hills. If you have rapid maneuvers on then their option becomes just death.

Honestly any 1 on 1 fight between people of remotely similar levels that lasts over 20 seconds should be won by the Templar.

jkemmery · July 2015

cyx54tc wrote: »

NB = assassin. If an assassin can't kill people fast enough in the dark then thats a dam fail one. Also, nobody forces you to ride a horse, you can just sneak and walk which is 99.99% guarentee no gank on ya.

Except they can gank you in broad daylight, with not a single hiding spot around. If it were limited to places where they could conceivably hide, I'd be fine with it. But it's not, it's anywhere, anytime, you can be alone or in a group. It's ridiculous, face it. I'm guessing you play a NB.

leepalmer95 · July 2015

Bromburak wrote: »

You can be snipe spammed or at least quick shotted by any class, especially when you run around like "here i am" targets. So please keep in my mind that most of the time when you get surprised , you are responsible for this.

If you roam like elephants deal with the consequence.

It's the fact if i surprise the first attack a nb can instant cloak and surprise again and again, my stamina can only take so much.

leepalmer95 · July 2015

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

It's ridiculous, sorc and nb's need nerfing so much, dk's and templars stand no chance.

Not even remotely accurate. A high health, heavy armor Templar is the Night Blade's worst nightmare. Once most NBs 1st attack gets dusted off with a few breath of lifes, their only options left are to die or run for the hills. If you have rapid maneuvers on then their option becomes just death.

Honestly any 1 on 1 fight between people of remotely similar levels that lasts over 20 seconds should be won by the Templar.

fear.

jkemmery · July 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

It's ridiculous, sorc and nb's need nerfing so much, dk's and templars stand no chance.

Not even remotely accurate. A high health, heavy armor Templar is the Night Blade's worst nightmare. Once most NBs 1st attack gets dusted off with a few breath of lifes, their only options left are to die or run for the hills. If you have rapid maneuvers on then their option becomes just death.

Honestly any 1 on 1 fight between people of remotely similar levels that lasts over 20 seconds should be won by the Templar.

fear.

Exactly. Fear. Unblockable, uncounterable, unbreakable. 7 deaths out of 10 I've suffered in my most recent excursions to Cyrodiil happened while being "feared". I got sick of it and quit.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2015

I've been feared a bunch of times and it hardly has an effect. I've noticed it mostly from werewolves though. That's why I always keep my fighters guild cross bow gun handy.

jkemmery · July 2015

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I've been feared a bunch of times and it hardly has an effect. I've noticed it mostly from werewolves though. That's why I always keep my fighters guild cross bow gun handy.

Do you PVP at all? Yes, the werewolf transformation has a slight fear effect, but if you have been feared by a nightblade, you will know it. You can't break out of it, and your toon turns around and runs away like a sissy while the attacker burns you down to death ... and you can't do anything but watch it happen. Your controls are locked and there is NO BREAK for it.

JTorus · July 2015

yodased wrote: »

well if you are getting ganked from a stealth stamblade on a horse then it is what it is, that is exactly what they are built for.

I will mark the location on my map when I respawn then run back.

If I"m on my DK i just make sure I have wings up constant as I search the area.

If I am on my templar I have my trusty sentry set to find those buggers.

If I am on my NB I will be patient and wait for him to try to gank someone else and show him a beating afterwards.

If I am on my sorc then shield stack and clanfear (who tends to attack in close range to detected people) and of course bolt for CC and escape.

They have counters, albeit you kind of have to play against their strength which means dying to them first

What he said.

Stamblade here, squishy as hell. They only way I'm killing you is when you're not paying attention. CC me, and I blow all my stam trying to break free, pop a potion (yeah right, one day pressing the button might actually drink the pot) and trying to GTFO.

If you're the fat kid running to catch up with your group, we're after you, if you're on siege and juuuust a ways away from your group, you're our target. Reading your map? We'll help you with that! Did you just jump your mount off the keep wall and took some fall damage... oh man, we're not going to even need to use Soul Harvest.

If I jump out of nowhere and don't have your health down to execute range almost immediately, I start to worry. If you heal and start to get away, I should be running (I should take my own advice) If you find me before I'm ready to wail on you, that's bad.

Survive the initial burst and you can Rocky IV your way out of it.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2015

I PVP almost every day. Won awards in Chillerend all 3 times. Yup. I do it a lot. I mow through Night Blade's like butter.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2015

I do have a ton of health though, and use practiced incantation as my ultimate. I probably never noticed it because if I'm using my ultimate you simply cannot kill me with less than 3 people. Usually 5.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2015

JTorus wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

well if you are getting ganked from a stealth stamblade on a horse then it is what it is, that is exactly what they are built for.

I will mark the location on my map when I respawn then run back.

If I"m on my DK i just make sure I have wings up constant as I search the area.

If I am on my templar I have my trusty sentry set to find those buggers.

If I am on my NB I will be patient and wait for him to try to gank someone else and show him a beating afterwards.

If I am on my sorc then shield stack and clanfear (who tends to attack in close range to detected people) and of course bolt for CC and escape.

They have counters, albeit you kind of have to play against their strength which means dying to them first

What he said.

Stamblade here, squishy as hell. They only way I'm killing you is when you're not paying attention. CC me, and I blow all my stam trying to break free, pop a potion (yeah right, one day pressing the button might actually drink the pot) and trying to GTFO.

If you're the fat kid running to catch up with your group, we're after you, if you're on siege and juuuust a ways away from your group, you're our target. Reading your map? We'll help you with that! Did you just jump your mount off the keep wall and took some fall damage... oh man, we're not going to even need to use Soul Harvest.

If I jump out of nowhere and don't have your health down to execute range almost immediately, I start to worry. If you heal and start to get away, I should be running (I should take my own advice) If you find me before I'm ready to wail on you, that's bad.

Survive the initial burst and you can Rocky IV your way out of it.

100% this.