Whatta We Mean When We Say 'LAG' ?

Jules · July 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF8yxmhM2eA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I shadow played this video about a week ago, just running around with some friends.
THIS is the lag that players experience 4-5 (and sometimes more) times a night in Cyrodiil.
It is also not exclusive to encounters with large groups like this one, I've seen high latency and disabled skills just in very small scale as well.

Note that, I do have LUI Extended and for the duration of my time on the rock, and as you can see from my lack of combat text, I did basically no damage to anyone there. Also, I stood in 3-4 meteors, not blocking, on purpose. Nothing happened to me. Also I /sitchair for a second and didn't immediately drop dead. About 30 seconds later, the damage I had taken on the rock started to catch up.

If you're wondering, that's a total of around 40+ meteors in around a 1 minute time period.
If you run in a group that is this large, and you spam meteors nonstop, just recognize that THIS is what you are doing to your opponent. There is no honor or skill in playing this way, so please reconsider.

PS: I don't own this song or whatever.

Chesimac · July 2015

zos knows, they're just too lazy and incompetent to fix anything.

Chesimac · July 2015

p.s. #dkop

Hektik_V · July 2015

This is clearly a L2P issue.

FENGRUSH · July 2015

Dont worry LoS checks will fix this. @ZOS_BrianWheeler is on it.

TechnicalGeezer · July 2015

LAG = Layers always guilty.

Zheg · July 2015

Psh, the immortal DK, nerf please.

rendolpheb16_ESO · July 2015

This lag is unnaceptable for a ''AAA'' MMO.

When I was playing back in the days Diablo 1 on my modem 56K, the lag was less then what we have every night in Cyrodiil in Azura Star (US).

I can't believe the word LAG still exist 15 years later ...

PBpsy · July 2015

Have you tried disabling your addons and resetting your router?
Also updating your graphics card drivers is important.

Jules · July 2015

Hektik_V wrote: »

This is clearly a L2P issue.

Plox teach me to dougie

Shaggygaming · July 2015

Don't worry @ZOS_BrianWheeler is going to fix the lag.

Haha yeah right that guy can't even fix a f'in sandwich.

Bromburak · July 2015

Whatta We Mean When We Say 'LAG' ?

Whats new?

Adonikam wrote: »

Don't worry @ZOS_BrianWheeler is going to fix the lag.

Haha yeah right that guy can't even fix a f'in sandwich.

Grow up and read current testing status from Brian:

"The bots were casting a variety of abilities including AE's, also while fighting sweepers, base-pop and each other. They were clustered tightly so all of the combat resolutions had to be done in a single server cell which is the most strenuous. Now we aren't saying "huzzah! It's cured!" because this is just a single test and as we've stated, isn't a silver bullet as there are plenty of other scenarios we still need testing on."

Shaggygaming · July 2015

Bromburak wrote: »

Whatta We Mean When We Say 'LAG' ?

Whats new?

Adonikam wrote: »

Don't worry @ZOS_BrianWheeler is going to fix the lag.

Haha yeah right that guy can't even fix a f'in sandwich.

Grow up and read current testing status from Brian:

"The bots were casting a variety of abilities including AE's, also while fighting sweepers, base-pop and each other. They were clustered tightly so all of the combat resolutions had to be done in a single server cell which is the most strenuous. Now we aren't saying "huzzah! It's cured!" because this is just a single test and as we've stated, isn't a silver bullet as there are plenty of other scenarios we still need testing on."

I've been hearing this for over a year so I've grown up quite a bit. Every time the community starts getting fed up and screams lag they always throw us a bone that doesn't work. I've heard "lag fixed" over and over and over. Now I'm on the side where I don't believe anything they say and would much rather be proved wrong.

Bromburak · July 2015

Adonikam wrote:

I've been hearing this for over a year so I've grown up quite a bit. Every time the community starts getting fed up and screams lag they always throw us a bone that doesn't work. I've heard "lag fixed" over and over and over. Now I'm on the side where I don't believe anything they say and would much rather be proved wrong.

A year ago they didn't know what is causing the problems with the lags.
In the meanwhile they did identify the major reason for this and now they do the testing as confirmed.

You are saying that Brian and team is not trying to improve the game or working on it, you make no sense.

Shaggygaming · July 2015

Bromburak wrote: »

Adonikam wrote:

I've been hearing this for over a year so I've grown up quite a bit. Every time the community starts getting fed up and screams lag they always throw us a bone that doesn't work. I've heard "lag fixed" over and over and over. Now I'm on the side where I don't believe anything they say and would much rather be proved wrong.

A year ago they didn't know what is causing the problems with the lags.
In the meanwhile they did identify the major reason for this and now they do the testing as confirmed.

You are saying that Brian and team is not trying to improve the game or working on it, you make no sense.

They know exactly what caused the lag. Half this forum can you tell what caused the lag and exactly what patch it was introduced in. It isn't a secret... I'm done responding to you, have a good day.

frozywozy · July 2015

Once again, if you are part of a large guild and you start experimenting such big lag issues in your campaign, it means that your campaign is over saturated. Re-home somewhere else. And when you bring your 24men group on top of another 24men group in a max pop campaign, don't expect anything else but lag over the whole Cyrodiil penalizing everybody else. If you want to run a full large group, pick a campaign which isn't pop locked since the caps are obviously too large still to support such gameplay. Oh and stop spamming 50 billions of standards and meteors. This is getting really old.

Juraigr · July 2015

Bromburak wrote: »

Whatta We Mean When We Say 'LAG' ?

Whats new?

Adonikam wrote: »

Don't worry @ZOS_BrianWheeler is going to fix the lag.

Haha yeah right that guy can't even fix a f'in sandwich.

Grow up and read current testing status from Brian:

"The bots were casting a variety of abilities including AE's, also while fighting sweepers, base-pop and each other. They were clustered tightly so all of the combat resolutions had to be done in a single server cell which is the most strenuous. Now we aren't saying "huzzah! It's cured!" because this is just a single test and as we've stated, isn't a silver bullet as there are plenty of other scenarios we still need testing on."

ROFL bots XXDDD you need to grow up lol bots arent the same as REAL players

Kobaal · July 2015

"The bots were casting a variety of abilities including AE's, also while fighting sweepers, base-pop and each other. They were clustered tightly so all of the combat resolutions had to be done in a single server cell which is the most strenuous. Now we aren't saying "huzzah! It's cured!" because this is just a single test and as we've stated, isn't a silver bullet as there are plenty of other scenarios we still need testing on."

I'm pretty sure those bots were not all spamming Meteor at the same time.

Bromburak · July 2015

Juraigr wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Whatta We Mean When We Say 'LAG' ?

Whats new?

Adonikam wrote: »

Don't worry @ZOS_BrianWheeler is going to fix the lag.

Haha yeah right that guy can't even fix a f'in sandwich.

Grow up and read current testing status from Brian:

"The bots were casting a variety of abilities including AE's, also while fighting sweepers, base-pop and each other. They were clustered tightly so all of the combat resolutions had to be done in a single server cell which is the most strenuous. Now we aren't saying "huzzah! It's cured!" because this is just a single test and as we've stated, isn't a silver bullet as there are plenty of other scenarios we still need testing on."

ROFL bots XXDDD you need to grow up lol bots arent the same as REAL players

I suggest some chat manners first or you cannot expect any conversation.
Especially not with Brian.

It doesn't matter if a player or bot triggers the AE abilities or who represents the zerg to reproduce the described behavior. Beside that fact , you only can do such tests with simulations in the first step. It doesn't mean there will never be tests with players or on PTS.

As Brian already said it doesn't mean its cured, they are just testing a change that obviously has some positive impact.

Adonikam wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Adonikam wrote:

I've been hearing this for over a year so I've grown up quite a bit. Every time the community starts getting fed up and screams lag they always throw us a bone that doesn't work. I've heard "lag fixed" over and over and over. Now I'm on the side where I don't believe anything they say and would much rather be proved wrong.

A year ago they didn't know what is causing the problems with the lags.
In the meanwhile they did identify the major reason for this and now they do the testing as confirmed.

You are saying that Brian and team is not trying to improve the game or working on it, you make no sense.

They know exactly what caused the lag. Half this forum can you tell what caused the lag and exactly what patch it was introduced in. It isn't a secret...

As already mentioned, not a year ago, so quit spreading lies or mixing up other causes for lags in the past.

rich.magab14a_ESO · July 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Once again, if you are part of a large guild and you start experimenting such big lag issues in your campaign, it means that your campaign is over saturated. Re-home somewhere else. And when you bring your 24men group on top of another 24men group in a max pop campaign, don't expect anything else but lag over the whole Cyrodiil penalizing everybody else. If you want to run a full large group, pick a campaign which isn't pop locked since the caps are obviously too large still to support such gameplay. Oh and stop spamming 50 billions of standards and meteors. This is getting really old.

It's not just the numbers that account for lag. caltrops is a major, major culprit which doesnt get talked about nearly enough. and you have probably 20 people spamming it in these kinds of encounters

blabafat · July 2015

I don't see the problem tbh. Other than the obvious l2p of course.

ArcVelarian · July 2015

Adonikam wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Adonikam wrote:

I've been hearing this for over a year so I've grown up quite a bit. Every time the community starts getting fed up and screams lag they always throw us a bone that doesn't work. I've heard "lag fixed" over and over and over. Now I'm on the side where I don't believe anything they say and would much rather be proved wrong.

A year ago they didn't know what is causing the problems with the lags.
In the meanwhile they did identify the major reason for this and now they do the testing as confirmed.

You are saying that Brian and team is not trying to improve the game or working on it, you make no sense.

They know exactly what caused the lag. Half this forum can you tell what caused the lag and exactly what patch it was introduced in. It isn't a secret... I'm done responding to you, have a good day.

The Interior Lighting patch.

There are also certain players who will purposefully spam macroes that overload the PvP server with garbage actions. You can usually spot them if you only lag out (ping) within 30 meters or so of their toon. They could literally be just standing there and send local ping through the roof while the ping at say, Northern High Rock, was completely unaffected.

Jules · July 2015

blabafat wrote: »

I don't see the problem tbh. Other than the obvious l2p of course.

GET OUTTA HERE BLAB.

ArcVelarian · July 2015

rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Once again, if you are part of a large guild and you start experimenting such big lag issues in your campaign, it means that your campaign is over saturated. Re-home somewhere else. And when you bring your 24men group on top of another 24men group in a max pop campaign, don't expect anything else but lag over the whole Cyrodiil penalizing everybody else. If you want to run a full large group, pick a campaign which isn't pop locked since the caps are obviously too large still to support such gameplay. Oh and stop spamming 50 billions of standards and meteors. This is getting really old.

It's not just the numbers that account for lag. caltrops is a major, major culprit which doesnt get talked about nearly enough. and you have probably 20 people spamming it in these kinds of encounters

Abilities are mostly an FPS issue, however, when they are spammed by enough players in a tight enough radius they'll begin to effect server ping. It doesn't matter if you have fiber optic or Comcast grade broadband, you WILL be affected if the server is overwhelmed.

If they would walk back through the code in the Interior Lighting implementation, I bet they would find what was making everything go haywire.

defilade__ESO · July 2015

Chesimac wrote: »

zos knows, they're just too lazy and incompetent to fix anything.

Just had about 18 EP players gather in a ball outside a keep that we were assaulting. They just balled up wand started casting all their ultimates and AoEs. I saw at least four standards go down and meteors and the thing was, none of the AD players were even close enough to them to take damage. They lagged the server out, could not place and siege.

I truly despise these exploiters on the EP side. Every exploit there is, and they are using them.

Jules · July 2015

defilade__ESO wrote: »

Chesimac wrote: »

zos knows, they're just too lazy and incompetent to fix anything.

Just had about 18 EP players gather in a ball outside a keep that we were assaulting. They just balled up wand started casting all their ultimates and AoEs. I saw at least four standards go down and meteors and the thing was, none of the AD players were even close enough to them to take damage. They lagged the server out, could not place and siege.

I truly despise these exploiters on the EP side. Every exploit there is, and they are using them.

Just because you saw EP doing this does not mean it is an exclusively EP activity.

Killrbee5 · July 2015

i was there too.. my POV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zJyMOy4U30

defilade__ESO · July 2015

Jules wrote: »

defilade__ESO wrote: »

Chesimac wrote: »

zos knows, they're just too lazy and incompetent to fix anything.

Just had about 18 EP players gather in a ball outside a keep that we were assaulting. They just balled up wand started casting all their ultimates and AoEs. I saw at least four standards go down and meteors and the thing was, none of the AD players were even close enough to them to take damage. They lagged the server out, could not place and siege.

I truly despise these exploiters on the EP side. Every exploit there is, and they are using them.

Just because you saw EP doing this does not mean it is an exclusively EP activity.

It does mean it was exclusively EP at that keep, yes.

I have seen others do it sometimes, DC has started doing it, and AD is never organized enough to do it. Some people in EP always rolls in a little zerg ball, casting AoEs to lag up the server when their keep is attacked, or they are losing an assault, it's the same people every time.

It's no freaking secret.

Etharian · July 2015

Adonikam wrote: »

Don't worry @ZOS_BrianWheeler is going to fix the lag.

Haha yeah right that guy can't even fix a f'in sandwich.

bahahahahaha

blabafat · July 2015

Jules wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

I don't see the problem tbh. Other than the obvious l2p of course.

GET OUTTA HERE BLAB.

Wow.. Rude

Jules · July 2015

Killrbee5 wrote: »

i was there too.. my POV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zJyMOy4U30

That's very interesting.. Was that at the same time as mine do you know?
It's definitely the exact same location.

Interesting that from my POV it appears as if I'm completely surrounded by yellow. And your's is the exact opposite.