There are a few inaccuracies with the map, yes.

I mean, we could put it down to maps changing over the years and cartography never being an exact thing, but . . .

Map is definitely wrong in places.

I believe ZOS said that ESO map is scaled 1,5X the size of previous TES games (morrowind, oblivion and skyrim), to better accommodate an MMO playerbase, increase the size of cities and to accomodate the warfare going on in Cyrodiil (they needed space to build the castles and the original ruins in oblivion are too small and most on hilly terrain to become practical in an AvA scenario, also it was need a minimum distance between castles to not make death so trivial like die in a siege, 20 seconds and you are back in, just one example) this way there will be inconsistencies if you direct compare one map to another, the heightmap is the exactly same from oblvion/skyrim but the scale is increased and some areas leveled to place castles, chockpoints like the gates, the resources and etc

Yeah. It's not really Tamriel. It's not even really Elder Scrolls. This game is like the Dragonball GT of TES.

If you look at old satellite photos through today, you'll notice that towns (especially smaller towns) tend to creep around a little bit. Over the course of the ages, is it not possible that Town X was sacked/burned/pillaged/plundered so the remaining residents said "Hey, let's move down the hill aways... I always hated walking up here into the mountains" or something? My chronology of the exact amount of time between Molag Bal's incursion and Mehrunes Dagon's is rusty to say the least, but I believe it's a substantial number of years apart.

JD2013 wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

Yeah. It's not really Tamriel. It's not even really Elder Scrolls. This game is like the Dragonball GT of TES.

It's definitely Tamriel

But maybe not Tamriel as we know it. It's very possible that the Soulburst caused a Dragon Break. Therefore not linear Tamriel time as we know it.

Well just tossing my opinion around, i have seem nothing in-game indicating that the soulburst caused the Dragon to break, Varen's entitlement trying to become dragonborn made the dragon mad as hell and broke his pact with saint Alessia that's true but when the dragon breaks bad *** happens, just have to take a look back in TES 2 Daggerfall, the world went in a WTF moment when the dragon broke, from one day to another kingdoms were destroyed, others reborn (Orsinium), the largest powers in the high rock consolidated their power without even trying (no wars, no alliances, they just woke one day and look! our kingdoms got bigger/ were subjugated and we don't even remember how! WTF) a NEW god was killed and born at the same time (mannimarco as the necromancer's moon) among other things i don't remember.

While the soulburst takes place during the worst and longer Interregnum in the history of Tamriel, emperors and kings rose and fell all around, alliances and promises were made and broke, thousands died to war and the daedric invasion of molag bal, lots of knowledge were lost and it's possible that MANY of it was destroyed on purpose (like the Tharn's involvement in the soulburst since they retained important position as a noble family of Cyrodiil even after all the *** they helped create), then a man came, united the continent under his banner by the sword, province by province (the greatest no-life PVPlayer of all times lol) and probably tried to change or hide many things to further legitimize his claims and THAT's why the Interregnum is such a poorly-documented period in the history of Tamriel in MY opinion.

david271749 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

Yeah. It's not really Tamriel. It's not even really Elder Scrolls. This game is liie the Dragonball GT of TES.

You do know Zenimax owns Bethesda right? Thus they own The Elder Scrolls series and thus ESO is really a Elder Scrolls game.

Sure, but it's already considered non-canon by many fans.

I 'kind of' appreciate the non-canon view. I'm pretty sure no one has the slightest clue whether 'many fans' is anything close to a majority. Plus then we have to define fans. If you've only played Skyrim, are you 'really a fan'? If you haven't played Daggerfall, are you 'really a fan?' etc etc. (in case it sounds like I'd take the elitist approach, I think if you consider yourself a fan of ES, you're a fan whatever games you've played). It's an unwinnable position either way.

For me, introducing 'non-canon' concepts into a series that's flexible enough to incorporate all official games and books into it's canon, is a needless road. The ES Lore Series on Youtube presents a solid argument against ESO's change of Cyrodiil. I, personally, was satisfied with the 'recently' released new book in ESO by, I assume, ESO's lore master, who did a decent job explaining Cyrodiil's non-jungle state while avoiding the cringe-inducing, but ultimately lore-acceptable Dragonbreak silliness that was invented out of necessity when Morrowind had to grapple with Daggerfall's multiple-endings game.

Plus, the ESO forum boards is a terrible place to take the temperature of whether 'many fans' consider ESO canon or not, since it's a wretched hive of scum and villainy (oops, mixed my series there).

I was implying that they relocated the whole town, but now that I look at it, you're right. It is fairly narrow up there. Aside from a major tectonic event, there's really no way it matches.

Acrolas wrote: »

ZeniMax nerfed Cyrodiil, and then Cyrodiil nerfed ZeniMax.

Uh...what? That doesn't make any sense...

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

The cities and areas you speak of don't belong to cyrodiil at this point in time. Take Leyawiin and that thin stretch of land from the imperial city on the coast of the Niben, that isn't made a part of Cyrodiil until a couple decades prior to the events of TES:4 Oblivion, it was given to Cyrodiil after an agreement between the Mane and the Emporer - it was made because the Khajiit had won some land from Valenwood past the Xylo river (in ESO, the land that is Reaper's March partially belongs to Valenwood, and all of Malabor Tor, but after the five-year war between the Bosmer and Khajiit, just before Oblivion, the Khajiit own all of Reapers March and parts of Malabal Tor). So basically the Khajiit had to give away their eastern coast to cyrodiil because they won some land on their western border. Kinda unfair tbh but yeah.

In Oblivion, you may hear of the Renrija Krin whom want to make Leyawiin a part of Elsweyr again.

the problem is not mere existence. it is that the landscape in it self does not make sense. such as mountains or bodies of water etc.

UTG_Zilla wrote: »

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

The cities and areas you speak of don't belong to cyrodiil at this point in time. Take Leyawiin and that thin stretch of land from the imperial city on the coast of the Niben, that isn't made a part of Cyrodiil until a couple decades prior to the events of TES:4 Oblivion, it was given to Cyrodiil after an agreement between the Mane and the Emporer - it was made because the Khajiit had won some land from Valenwood past the Xylo river (in ESO, the land that is Reaper's March partially belongs to Valenwood, and all of Malabor Tor, but after the five-year war between the Bosmer and Khajiit, just before Oblivion, the Khajiit own all of Reapers March and parts of Malabal Tor). So basically the Khajiit had to give away their eastern coast to cyrodiil because they won some land on their western border. Kinda unfair tbh but yeah.

In Oblivion, you may hear of the Renrija Krin whom want to make Leyawiin a part of Elsweyr again.

I knew that but given where Bravil currently, leyawiin's supposed location on eso Map would be a lot further south from Bravil than it is in oblivion.

Ah, in that case I'm not sure then.