That's right.
Pay up or don't play it.
Not really that hard a decision.

I have to pay nothing for the DLC because I just subbed ....

Incarnatus wrote: »

I have to pay nothing for the DLC because I just subbed ....

Your subscription is paying rent. Once you stop paying rent you lose access to the content. It's cheaper to just buy 3000 crowns than to buy two months of sub time. Who the hell knows when the next content update is so it's better to buy it outright with crowns since the subscription benefits are still lackluster and there are no content DLC yet.

washlov wrote: »

snackrat wrote: »

If you really have been one year subbed, then they will have given you plenty of crowns with which to purchase it.
Hell if you have been TWO MONTHS subbed, then they have given you enough crowns.

The only way this could possibly be valid is either:
1) You are not a legal adult and are not capable of purchasing subscriptions or crowns, OR
2) You believe you are part of a gaming HiveMind and because some members have contributed, that is supposed to count on your behalf, OR
3) You spent all your crowns already in which case why weren't all those potions and mounts and costumes free, why is it you can have those and we can't oh wait

really you got 100crowns per month now you get 1500crowns per month......

Sure, if this means only the first year when it was all paid, you'd be looking at 1700. But you can't talk about 'oh we paid already, what about loyal customers' if you cancelled your subscription - it means you're not this 'loyal customer' you described.
If you really have been loyally subscribed for a year, then four of those months will be the ones with free crowns.

Also, that year was paying for the game. Not the DLC to come, but the game you were playing. To maintain servers, primarily, as well as pay the wages of customer support and the programmers running all the bug fixes.

I don't understand how this is so hard to grasp.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Somakarma wrote: »

Can I just clarify, I subscribe monthly to ESO upon PC - can I therefore access the DLC without additional payment? Or not?

If you have ESO+ you get all extra content including DLC at no extra cost as long as you have the membership when the DLC drops. Like imp city it drops on aug 31 and if you have plus even if it exspires the day after it drops you still get it no extra cost and keep it reguardless of plus membership. so it's just best to get ESO plus cause you also get what is it 1,200 crows a month and a extra 10% to exp, gold, and research time.

thats wrong with out active sub you have no access to IC if you do not either reinnitiate your sub or pay 2500crowns for it

I'll buy it when they fix the lag in PvP.

Until then they will get nothing from me.

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

washlov wrote: »

after one year sub
after one year beta test for console
after one year without real content
after one year lag in cyrodiil
after one year paying for consol development
after one year following the carrot on the stick
after one year bad communication and promises
after one year ......

there have to be really much content in IC after this long waiting and for that price!

PC paid one year sub and console not, for what we paid?

Everyone have to pay for even the console player will have to pay for it if the want it so what is problem.

If you still pay a sub you will get DLC for "free" mean it is cover in sub fee you are pay now.

Come on now the price is that bad serious it is 2500 crown and you can buy 3000 crown for 169 SEK or 17.12 EUR, 18.81 USD, 11.99 GBP this just a fast exchange from SEK to other currency beside "special" mount in this game cost alot more them DLC pack do.

How much have you invested in the game so far?
Once you hit $300.00 without getting anything to show for it, except the now base game, call me.

Makes me regret pre-ordering the game in the first place. If I waited a year I could have saved enough for a decent bender.

That was not my point, my point is that OP think 2500 crown is to much for DLC but most people think it is ok to spend like 3000 CP on mount but when come to DLC content people start scream that cost to much.

Beside if look at other game that have DLC patch with new content cost more them what ZoS will take in for there DLC just take Tropico 5 which is sandbox game there later big DLC patch the selling for 19.99 EUR which i think is why to much for DLC that you will complete in 1 day so if i look at price on compare Tropico 5 with ESO i think the price on ESO DLC is ok price.

Beside my exchange i did was base on 3000 crown so i think it will cheap then 17.12 EUR to buy IC DLC.

kupacmac wrote: »

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

washlov wrote: »

after one year sub
after one year beta test for console
after one year without real content
after one year lag in cyrodiil
after one year paying for consol development
after one year following the carrot on the stick
after one year bad communication and promises
after one year ......

there have to be really much content in IC after this long waiting and for that price!

PC paid one year sub and console not, for what we paid?

Everyone have to pay for even the console player will have to pay for it if the want it so what is problem.

If you still pay a sub you will get DLC for "free" mean it is cover in sub fee you are pay now.

Come on now the price is that bad serious it is 2500 crown and you can buy 3000 crown for 169 SEK or 17.12 EUR, 18.81 USD, 11.99 GBP this just a fast exchange from SEK to other currency beside "special" mount in this game cost alot more them DLC pack do.

How much have you invested in the game so far?
Once you hit $300.00 without getting anything to show for it, except the now base game, call me.

If you spend $300 watching movies in a cinema, what do you have to show for it afterwards?
Do you believe you are entitled to watch movies for free now that you 'invested' so much into it?

If the theater sells a season pass for $300.00 and promises a new movie every four weeks, cool, I'll pay for that.
Now, after a year, they still show the same movie. They say ones comes Soon™ though, and it's gonna be awesome.
Then they say, we are not selling any more season passes, and everyone gets in for one payment regular ticket price. OK, well, now that sucks. I already bought my ticket and a season pass. All that money was wasted. Anyway, I love this theater and the new movie is coming soon™.
The new movie gets here, after a year of watching the same thing everyday, and they want me to pay for it again?
Wtf? I don't get how that is even ethical. It has nothing to do with entitlement, it's business ethics and ZOS lack of.


I have no problem paying for dlc, but this shouldn't have been. It's already been paid for. Or do you think Craglorn is worth $280.00 by itself? I don't.

Yeah and how many free movie tickets (i.e. crowns) did you get when your season pass ran out? 'Nuff said.

No one is force anyone to buy the new DLC so if dont want to spend really money you dont have to so basic why is everyone whine about this DLC.

I pay a sub to this game for i still love this game and i love palying so i think it is worth pay for it so yeah i will get DLC for i have already pay for through my sub but the day i stop like the game i can just simple stop pay and walk away with no string attach which i fine with.

Which i know the day the announce ESO was go to be B2P and yes many of us may think we got a bad deal but somewhere in your mind you should have know what would become of this game i mean this not 1st game that use this typ off feature to there payment to there game.

Beside PS4 and XboxOne do pay a sub but to Sony and Microsoft so in way the pay indirect also to get the DLC but not direct to ZoS.

RadicalSpirit wrote: »

washlov wrote: »

after one year sub
after one year beta test for console
after one year without real content
after one year lag in cyrodiil
after one year paying for consol development
after one year following the carrot on the stick
after one year bad communication and promises
after one year ......

there have to be really much content in IC after this long waiting and for that price!

PC paid one year sub and console not, for what we paid?

Consoles sold 1.4mil in 1 month, PC sold 600 thousand in 15 months, what makes you think they would allow you to get extra things for free when it's clear we are the ones generating all the money for them.

Tbh, we should get the PTS and not PC.

so what, on PC it was sold around 1,2 milion times - you can see yourself what is left...
"your contribution" to revenues will drop as much ...

F7sus4 wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

Because PC = 600.000 X 12 months subscription X 12 euro (average) = 86.400.000 euros. That's right 86 million + 30 million (600.000 X 50 euros for the game itself) = 116 million.

I don't really believe these numbers. If you're a massive player, you can notice yourself how empty the game actually is (and was starting in 2015). At this very moment the community is so small that you're able to easily recognize most of the people in all factions now.

True. But like you said, that started to be that way in the beginning of 2015. So after let's say 9 months?

The fact is no one knows any numbers of actual sales or money ZOS made. So the point I was trying to make is that @RadicalSpirit 's claim is based on nothing.

The Uninvited wrote: »

RadicalSpirit wrote: »

Consoles sold 1.4mil in 1 month, PC sold 600 thousand in 15 months, what makes you think they would allow you to get extra things for free when it's clear we are the ones generating all the money for them.

Tbh, we should get the PTS and not PC.

Because PC = 600.000 X 12 months subscription X 12 euro (average) = 86.400.000 euros. That's right 86 million + 30 million (600.000 X 50 euros for the game itself) = 116 million.

Granted, not everybody stayed subscribed during the period of the first year. But then again, 600.000 is a number you can't be sure of either. Last thing I heard, was that at the end of 2014 they had 700.000 active players (and that's also just hearsay). So let's say they made roughly a 100 million out of PC players.

I am still subscribed and will pay the crowns for the DLC, but please...

Tell me again how you are the ones generating all the money?

You mad a LOT of assumptions which basically made those numbers completely irrelevant.

First of all you went on to assume it was all in euros, which it of course is not, and no... the price of the game is NOT directly converted because taxes are different, and so is the pricing throughout. Games are cheaper in the US, and it's quite plausible that the US had 40% of that 600,000 player base.

Also, that 600,000 copies were the TOTAL sold from release to now on PC version.

Even if we assume that 40% of the current player base were US copies, and the other 60% EU copies (for simplicity sake) they would still generate over 70 million euros from the base sales alone.

That is NOT including console subscriptions, and let's take into account, that is 1 month.

Also remember that your numbers would dramatically decrease as you did not at all account for currency and different game prices.

At the end of the day, we will not be able to get 100% accurate information, but one thing is for sure, in one month the console s have blown PC sales out of the water, & it's quite possible that within the second month, the combined revenue of game sales + subscription will easily surpass the total revenue generated by PC in 15 months.

#Rekt.

RadicalSpirit wrote: »

You mad a LOT of assumptions which basically made those numbers completely irrelevant.

You mean like you did yourself?

First of all you went on to assume it was all in euros, which it of course is not, and no... the price of the game is NOT directly converted because taxes are different, and so is the pricing throughout. Games are cheaper in the US, and it's quite plausible that the US had 40% of that 600,000 player base.

Also, that 600,000 copies were the TOTAL sold from release to now on PC version.

PROOF? Or just an assumption?

Even if we assume that 40% of the current player base were US copies, and the other 60% EU copies (for simplicity sake) they would still generate over 70 million euros from the base sales alone.

That is NOT including console subscriptions, and let's take into account, that is 1 month.

Also remember that your numbers would dramatically decrease as you did not at all account for currency and different game prices.

Neither did you.

At the end of the day, we will not be able to get 100% accurate information, but one thing is for sure, in one month the console s have blown PC sales out of the water, & it's quite possible that within the second month, the combined revenue of game sales + subscription will easily surpass the total revenue generated by PC in 15 months.

#Rekt.

I will say it again: The fact is no one knows any numbers of actual sales or money ZOS made (PC or Console). The point I was trying to make is that your claim was based on nothing.

RadicalSpirit wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

RadicalSpirit wrote: »

Consoles sold 1.4mil in 1 month, PC sold 600 thousand in 15 months, what makes you think they would allow you to get extra things for free when it's clear we are the ones generating all the money for them.

Tbh, we should get the PTS and not PC.

Because PC = 600.000 X 12 months subscription X 12 euro (average) = 86.400.000 euros. That's right 86 million + 30 million (600.000 X 50 euros for the game itself) = 116 million.

Granted, not everybody stayed subscribed during the period of the first year. But then again, 600.000 is a number you can't be sure of either. Last thing I heard, was that at the end of 2014 they had 700.000 active players (and that's also just hearsay). So let's say they made roughly a 100 million out of PC players.

I am still subscribed and will pay the crowns for the DLC, but please...

Tell me again how you are the ones generating all the money?

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#Rekt.

#Rekt ... You are kidding right? If you want to make a fool out of your self, please say it at the first place next time. You will save the others a lot of time...