Capes...? They're on the cover of the game lol

soleil.clercb14_ESO · July 2015

Can we get capes for our characters? I havent seen one cape in the game, and I'm assuming there arent any...

I mean they're on the cover of the game lol

Molag_Crow · July 2015

That would be awesome.

Akavir_Sentinel · July 2015

This has been brought up a hundred times, and it's never going to happen. They've stated this before.

Banky71 · July 2015

Haven't you ever seen Incredibles? No Capes!!

soleil.clercb14_ESO · July 2015

Alright then....

Sallington · July 2015

They like advertising things that aren't in game.

Like battles with hundreds of players on screen at once.

eventide03b14a_ESO · July 2015

Sallington wrote: »

They like advertising things that aren't in game.

Like battles with hundreds of players on screen at once.

You're my new hero.

idk · July 2015

Dead horse. Been brought up many times and the devs have said No!

Nestor · July 2015

The reason the Devs have said no is it would make the game crawl. To make things move realistically, you need an animation frame behind the skin, as the frame is what really moves. Each part of the frame is called a Pipe. When the devs tried to add more than 2 pipes to the frame, it caused huge lag issues. I don't remember how many pipes they need to make a decent looking frame, but it was in the double digits. Compare this to say the arm of your character, that is one pipe.

So, basically, the Capes they could give us would just look terrible, and the capes people would want, would just cause huge performance problems.

ShedsHisTail · July 2015

Nestor wrote: »

The reason the Devs have said no is it would make the game crawl. To make things move realistically, you need an animation frame behind the skin, as the frame is what really moves. Each part of the frame is called a Pipe. When the devs tried to add more than 2 pipes to the frame, it caused huge lag issues. I don't remember how many pipes they need to make a decent looking frame, but it was in the double digits. Compare this to say the arm of your character, that is one pipe.

So, basically, the Capes they could give us would just look terrible, and the capes people would want, would just cause huge performance problems.

I remember City of Heroes had great capes.
Wonder how they managed those...

ItsGlaive · July 2015

Had them in very early builds, took them out.

Gyudan · July 2015

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

The reason the Devs have said no is it would make the game crawl. To make things move realistically, you need an animation frame behind the skin, as the frame is what really moves. Each part of the frame is called a Pipe. When the devs tried to add more than 2 pipes to the frame, it caused huge lag issues. I don't remember how many pipes they need to make a decent looking frame, but it was in the double digits. Compare this to say the arm of your character, that is one pipe.

So, basically, the Capes they could give us would just look terrible, and the capes people would want, would just cause huge performance problems.

I remember City of Heroes had great capes.
Wonder how they managed those...

They had Super Powers.

ArcVelarian · July 2015

soleil.clercb14_ESO wrote: »

Can we get capes for our characters? I havent seen one cape in the game, and I'm assuming there arent any...

I mean they're on the cover of the game lol

inb4ZoSresponse

From what I understand it'd be too much of a pain in the guar to render without affecting gameplay.

Nestor · July 2015

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

I remember City of Heroes had great capes.
Wonder how they managed those...

Different Engine, different graphics. I did not play Heroes all that much, but I don't remember seeing the detail in the costumes that TES has, so that could also have something to do with it.

Akavir_Sentinel · July 2015

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

The reason the Devs have said no is it would make the game crawl. To make things move realistically, you need an animation frame behind the skin, as the frame is what really moves. Each part of the frame is called a Pipe. When the devs tried to add more than 2 pipes to the frame, it caused huge lag issues. I don't remember how many pipes they need to make a decent looking frame, but it was in the double digits. Compare this to say the arm of your character, that is one pipe.

So, basically, the Capes they could give us would just look terrible, and the capes people would want, would just cause huge performance problems.

I remember City of Heroes had great capes.
Wonder how they managed those...

Because City Of Heroes had all the complexity of a couch from Ikea....

soleil.clercb14_ESO · July 2015

Nestor wrote: »

The reason the Devs have said no is it would make the game crawl. To make things move realistically, you need an animation frame behind the skin, as the frame is what really moves. Each part of the frame is called a Pipe. When the devs tried to add more than 2 pipes to the frame, it caused huge lag issues. I don't remember how many pipes they need to make a decent looking frame, but it was in the double digits. Compare this to say the arm of your character, that is one pipe.

So, basically, the Capes they could give us would just look terrible, and the capes people would want, would just cause huge performance problems.

Thanks for that. Good to know

QueenAyrenn · July 2015

Please, no capes. I think cloaks would be cool, though.

ShedsHisTail · July 2015

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

The reason the Devs have said no is it would make the game crawl. To make things move realistically, you need an animation frame behind the skin, as the frame is what really moves. Each part of the frame is called a Pipe. When the devs tried to add more than 2 pipes to the frame, it caused huge lag issues. I don't remember how many pipes they need to make a decent looking frame, but it was in the double digits. Compare this to say the arm of your character, that is one pipe.

So, basically, the Capes they could give us would just look terrible, and the capes people would want, would just cause huge performance problems.

I remember City of Heroes had great capes.
Wonder how they managed those...

Because City Of Heroes had all the complexity of a couch from Ikea....

Yeah, that's kind of my point.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not pushing for capes, I don't need one, I'm just saying that a relatively simple game was able to create really good looking capes because, I think, it was simple.

I don't know anything about programming or game design but I imagine the complexity is really in the mesh and animation, but the visual beauty is largely in the texture. It doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to implement a simple cape mechanic/mesh/animation similar to City of Heroes just with more detailed textures.

I guess, to me, it sounds like the Devs are overthinking this one when there might be a simple solution right in front of them.

I could also be very wrong.

rb2001 · July 2015

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

The reason the Devs have said no is it would make the game crawl. To make things move realistically, you need an animation frame behind the skin, as the frame is what really moves. Each part of the frame is called a Pipe. When the devs tried to add more than 2 pipes to the frame, it caused huge lag issues. I don't remember how many pipes they need to make a decent looking frame, but it was in the double digits. Compare this to say the arm of your character, that is one pipe.

So, basically, the Capes they could give us would just look terrible, and the capes people would want, would just cause huge performance problems.

I remember City of Heroes had great capes.
Wonder how they managed those...

Because City Of Heroes had all the complexity of a couch from Ikea....

Yeah, that's kind of my point.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not pushing for capes, I don't need one, I'm just saying that a relatively simple game was able to create really good looking capes because, I think, it was simple.

I don't know anything about programming or game design but I imagine the complexity is really in the mesh and animation, but the visual beauty is largely in the texture. It doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to implement a simple cape mechanic/mesh/animation similar to City of Heroes just with more detailed textures.

I guess, to me, it sounds like the Devs are overthinking this one when there might be a simple solution right in front of them.

I could also be very wrong.

PS2 games had working cloaks and capes (e.g. LOTR: The Two Towers).

ESO has a high quality bar and good graphics, and so the cloaks/capes would have to be implemented to match, but really, any modern 3D engine can incorporate minor cloth physics (and as low-end setting, no physics just "dumb" animations).

Walking around with a blowing cloak in the wind, torch held in my left hand and dagger in my right, would add a lot to the game.

It's not too difficult. Heck, Dark Souls 2 has both.

Ommamar · July 2015

I would like to do 1/16th of what is shown in the game trailers. Just advertisement art on the "cover" you refer that all company use to misrepresent what is possible in the game.

Nestor · July 2015

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

I guess, to me, it sounds like the Devs are overthinking this one when there might be a simple solution right in front of them.

I could also be very wrong.

There was an interview or a post from a dev about this. Which is where I got the information I posted above. They tried it and could not make it work.

UltimaJoe777 · July 2015

Go buy a wedding dress and wear it. Same difference thar

JediRift · July 2015

Nestor wrote: »

The reason the Devs have said no is it would make the game crawl. To make things move realistically, you need an animation frame behind the skin, as the frame is what really moves. Each part of the frame is called a Pipe. When the devs tried to add more than 2 pipes to the frame, it caused huge lag issues. I don't remember how many pipes they need to make a decent looking frame, but it was in the double digits. Compare this to say the arm of your character, that is one pipe.

So, basically, the Capes they could give us would just look terrible, and the capes people would want, would just cause huge performance problems.

Appreciate the insight. I cannot say that I truly understand. Regardless of what the devs say in the interview or whatever, I have played many, many high-end games that implement cloaks and do so flawlessly. It just seems like such an odd thing that this is such a challenging hurdle in this game, with this engine.

Can I ask what engine this game is made on? Do we have any info on other games made with the same engine?

Nestor · July 2015

JediRift wrote: »

Can I ask what engine this game is made on? Do we have any info on other games made with the same engine?

Early Development was done on the Hero Engine, same as LOTR. However the engine that runs this game and it was fully developed on is unique to ESO.

Elebeth · July 2015

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Dead horse. Been brought up many times and the devs have said No!