Disappointed with crafting system

TheDaydreamWalker · July 2015

I dislike how the leveling of the crafting system works. I feel that because the skill points required to improve my crafting draws upon the same resource used to improve my character's combat capabilities and over all power it forces me to choose between being skilled in crafting (which takes away from my capability to survive against threats in the world) or being a skilled adventurer and fighter (leaving little to no room for having talent in creating through crafting). I feel crafting should be an entirely separate system from the combat/armor/passive ability system; one which does not draw upon the same resource to improve. I feel crafting would be improved were it to simply level up by doing the actions associated with it rather than needing to invest the skill points required to improve one's character prowess.

Narelesh · July 2015

Crafting is just an insane grind that you need to be doing as you level up from level 1 or else your character's crafting level wont be anywhere near the level you need to be able to benefit from your crafting level. As someone once said to me "Your first char will not be geared, that is for the grind up. Your second char? Now they will have armor.".

anitajoneb17_ESO · July 2015

Hard to make choices, uh ?? But that's a key point in RPG's , that's what make them RPGs, and you have to be a little strategic here. I think it's good game design.

Mansome · July 2015

TheDaydreamWalker wrote: »

I dislike how the leveling of the crafting system works. I feel that because the skill points required to improve my crafting draws upon the same resource used to improve my character's combat capabilities and over all power it forces me to choose between being skilled in crafting (which takes away from my capability to survive against threats in the world) or being a skilled adventurer and fighter (leaving little to no room for having talent in creating through crafting). I feel crafting should be an entirely separate system from the combat/armor/passive ability system; one which does not draw upon the same resource to improve. I feel crafting would be improved were it to simply level up by doing the actions associated with it rather than needing to invest the skill points required to improve one's character prowess.

If you have to make choices then you are doing it wrong. I never once lacked in skill points while getting to level 50 with crafting. You need to look for skyshards, do dungeons both public and group. And if all else fails and you still feel like you are missing out, go to Cyridil, not to pvp but to look for skyshards there. You will be swimming in skill points. I never understood why people always say that about crafting.

Mansome · July 2015

Narelesh wrote: »

Crafting is just an insane grind that you need to be doing as you level up from level 1 or else your character's crafting level wont be anywhere near the level you need to be able to benefit from your crafting level. As someone once said to me "Your first char will not be geared, that is for the grind up. Your second char? Now they will have armor.".

I was properly geared all the way up to current VET 4. I crafted all my gear from levels 1 to VET 4. I think people are doing it wrong in that aspect too. All temper to green until level 30, From level 30 only temper to blue, When you get to 50 only temper to purple. Also dont switch out gear every level, you shouldnt need to do it until you go up about 4 levels. As far as the grind part, there was no grind. Initially I was doing the swap gear with an alt on the deconstruction part but that actually made me level it too fast where it couldnt progress fast enough. But what I find works well enough is just deconstruct everything you find that you dont sell. The only thing that's a pain to level thats still broken in my opinion is enchanting. Everything else skills up just nicely as you go.

Zachy_B · July 2015

Dude I have 4 crafts right now and I STILL have craptons of skill points. There's so many skill points in the game my problem is where to freakin out them

Zachy_B · July 2015

Put* them

Betrael · July 2015

It seems like the main problem you're having is not enough skill points. Take some time to do the sidequests, group dungeons, and shard collection. Those few extra points should allow you to invest into the crafting so your more active skills don't feel hindered by progressing the craft/s.

Mansome · July 2015

If it comes down to it, install add-ons for the maps that show where all the skyshards are if you have trouble finding them. Also keep in mind even while leveling you can do the other factions dungeons. Most people dont know that and find it out way too late to get a group for them.

Sidney · July 2015

You dont need to use every single skill available in game. The idea is to have choices. If you told me that you actually use every single skill in the game, I would call you a liar

I agree with others, make sure you never miss a single skyshard, public dungeon etc. Even some quests give skill points.

How many points DO you have?

TheDaydreamWalker · July 2015

I'm speaking from a leveling perspective. Currently on my Nord (lvl 14) I am trying to keep my blacksmithing and enchanting skills on par with usefulness for my level and find my self coming up short or forced to sink skill points into the crafting rather than combat skills, and it just doesn't feel right that I have to do that to.

Sidney · July 2015

Okay if you're talking about that then yes I agree it forces further choices, but I think it's because we have to earn our points rather than be given free stuff. It's kind of nice that we truly have to earn some things.

I do know what you mean though, I have the issue on my blacksmith. Just make sure you never skip anything and you'll gain a few more points.

Woolenthreads · July 2015

Good Grief. If I was to complain about the Crafting system, it would be that it's not complex enough. The system they're using in Witcher 3 is probably slightly too complex but is similar to what I think it ought to be. The gear there isn't massively different in variation either at least from my POV.

In regards to character points there are key skill effects you need and others you don't. I don't think my characters have ever had even all of the class skills maxed.

Rosveen · July 2015

Nope. There's more skill points in this game than you'll ever know what to do with. It's difficult at first, sure, but that's normal: you can't do everything right away. If you think crafting in ESO is too demanding, you don't understand the system well enough. The only real constraint is inventory space if you don't want mules, my bank is filled with pretty much nothing but mats.

FancyTuna8 · July 2015

I am attempting to level all crafts as I go up, though held back immensely on provisioning and enchanting. I don't put many skill points into the crafts, but have put probably 12 or so in crafting, am only level 26, and have been picking up skyshards, but only did one dungeon so far. (From this thread, apparently I need to do more.) I don't feel I have had a problem with combat yet, though I'm clearly not as good as other people who find it unchallenging.
I think having tradeoffs is good, but if you are having too hard a time doing 2 crafts and combat, go down to 1 craft.

Clamath · July 2015

I've done every crafting skill on my main right from the start. I never felt that I was not effective enough on combat, even though had some tough opponents to beat every now and then. Now I'm V5 and three crafts at 50 and others very close and I'm swimming in skills points. I had to respec a few times when I picked up too many combat skills that didn't fit my play after all, but that was okay. I've been able to craft my own gear all the way. New gear every 6-8 levels. Always green until V2. Not using more than blue atm. Saving purple and gold for later.

i have not power leveled any crafts. All is from doing writs, my own gear and deconstructing every piece I have found.

Just get those skyshards and I'm sure it will be easy to have two or more crafts on your char and not be uneffective in combat. Respec if you feel you made some wrong choices. You don't need too many combat skills while leveling.

I still use only bow and I'm fine.

NBAballar18 · July 2015

I am veteran 2 right now but I had same problem using to many skills points in useless spots or taking away from skills that are needed. I suggest resetting your skill points in mourn hold. I received 125 and my character feels 100x better and my blacksmithing is maxed plus my woodworking

frostybroc · July 2015

The sounds more of a skill point issue than a crafting one. I like the fact that you have to choose. I just wish you could level as a crafter, not just your craft level.

Dradhok · July 2015

The crafting system is one of my favorite aspects to the game. I do find having to travel to random areas to craft a set of armor to be a little unnecessary, but it doesn't hinder my gameplay.

Woolenthreads · July 2015

Actually, this just occurred to me too; you don't have to spend points in a craft to level it up, you only have to spend points to use it making gear or to get additional benefits from it. If you decon or research green gear and sell white gear your craft skill level should keep up with or pass your character level without much any difficulty.

Armann · July 2015

Crafting in this game is great, but I agree it can be difficult to support with skillpoints before reaching veteran ranks. Once you reach veteran ranks it becomes much better since you could potentially have 141 skillpoints to support both the combat aspect and a couple of crafting skills at the same time.