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✭✭✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »
In cities across Covenant lands, stories grow of Orcs defiling our women and siring unnatural half breeds!
Gimme them Orc Khaajit half breeds!
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If possible, I wanna play as Azbag and some lamia's offspring. These Orcs, they'll cozy up with whatever that moves.
The book by Sorick is very obviously propaganda. Understand that not all lore books are pure truth. They are realistic and do present bias. Some do that is.
exactly the same could be said of the original one from the imperial healer. while maybe not propagnda per se he may have a personal bias maybe his wife ran off with a nord. also at the very least from reading it they don't seem to have all the facts. or could just be plain wrong we see in game examples of couples like the bosmer woman with a khajiit husband who runs off because he's off his nut on moon sugar.
One is called "Orcs: The Vermin Among us." the other "Notes on Racial Phylogeny and Biology". I know which one I would put more credence in.
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Aeradon✭✭✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »In cities across Covenant lands, stories grow of Orcs defiling our women and siring unnatural half breeds!
Gimme them Orc Khaajit half breeds!
Also..
If possible, I wanna play as Azbag and some lamia's offspring. These Orcs, they'll cozy up with whatever that moves.
The book by Sorick is very obviously propaganda. Understand that not all lore books are pure truth. They are realistic and do present bias. Some do that is.
Is it biased? Yes. But does it change the fact that Orcs are breeding with Covenant citizens? No.
It's like watching the news reporter blabber on about a plane crash and their biased assumptions.
Is it biased? Yes. But does it change the fact that the plane crashed? No.People keep telling me they're gonna buy me an ale. They never do.
There are only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's culture. And the Elves.
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✭notimetocare wrote: »In cities across Covenant lands, stories grow of Orcs defiling our women and siring unnatural half breeds!
Gimme them Orc Khaajit half breeds!
Also..
If possible, I wanna play as Azbag and some lamia's offspring. These Orcs, they'll cozy up with whatever that moves.
The book by Sorick is very obviously propaganda. Understand that not all lore books are pure truth. They are realistic and do present bias. Some do that is.
exactly the same could be said of the original one from the imperial healer. while maybe not propagnda per se he may have a personal bias maybe his wife ran off with a nord. also at the very least from reading it they don't seem to have all the facts. or could just be plain wrong we see in game examples of couples like the bosmer woman with a khajiit husband who runs off because he's off his nut on moon sugar.
One is called "Orcs: The Vermin Among us." the other "Notes on Racial Phylogeny and Biology". I know which one I would put more credence in.
yeah because so called scientific documents are never especialy on this subject doesnt mean that they arent neccasirly without bias think about the eugenics experiments in our real history and how false that info was. Just because ones obvious about its agenda doesnt mean its wrong and because one may disguise its agenda doesn't mean its right.
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Bindi✭✭they should just remove the racials from the game entirely, and allow fun *** like this.
you should never be forced to play a character you don't even like the look of because he is the only one with bonus fire resistance and fire damage.
another failure ZOS.
except other elder scrolls games have racial passives too... how is that a failure of ZOS? lol1 -
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See below, also, don't ever half quote me again.they should just remove the racials from the game entirely, and allow fun *** like this.
you should never be forced to play a character you don't even like the look of because he is the only one with bonus fire resistance and fire damage.
another failure ZOS.
except other elder scrolls games have racial passives too... how is that a failure of ZOS? lol
it's very simple "lol" <digs through old dusty tombs> ah here we are:
<consults the elder gods for the answer>
this isn't a regular elder scrolls game where player vs player balance doesn't matterEdited by Snowgoons on July 10, 2015 7:05AMRollin' round Tamriel on that skooma wasted like a failed Grand Theft Auto mission.0 -
bertenburnyb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »
yeah u'd hit that ....Haze Ramoran Dunmer Dragonknight Tank/Dps – Smoked-Da-Herb Saxheel Templar Tank/Healer
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BBSooner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Half Breeds (Bretons) are treated as a race. Even if they are technically half elven, the same racial rules apply when they mate - if the mother is Breton the offspring will be Breton, if the father is Breton the offspring will be the race of the mother. Other "half-breeds" would likely take on this characteristic as well, considering the precedent is set with Bretons.
If this were the case the Half-Breeds would have propagated their own races by now.0 -
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »In cities across Covenant lands, stories grow of Orcs defiling our women and siring unnatural half breeds!
Gimme them Orc Khaajit half breeds!
Also..
If possible, I wanna play as Azbag and some lamia's offspring. These Orcs, they'll cozy up with whatever that moves.
The book by Sorick is very obviously propaganda. Understand that not all lore books are pure truth. They are realistic and do present bias. Some do that is.
exactly the same could be said of the original one from the imperial healer. while maybe not propagnda per se he may have a personal bias maybe his wife ran off with a nord. also at the very least from reading it they don't seem to have all the facts. or could just be plain wrong we see in game examples of couples like the bosmer woman with a khajiit husband who runs off because he's off his nut on moon sugar.
One is called "Orcs: The Vermin Among us." the other "Notes on Racial Phylogeny and Biology". I know which one I would put more credence in.
yeah because so called scientific documents are never especialy on this subject doesnt mean that they arent neccasirly without bias think about the eugenics experiments in our real history and how false that info was. Just because ones obvious about its agenda doesnt mean its wrong and because one may disguise its agenda doesn't mean its right.
You've got a point and ALL of Elder Scrolls lore is subject to perspective. That's one of the things that makes me love TES so much. Who's to say the Daedera aren't just god-like beings that SEEM immoral because they don't experience and aren't subject to linear time? Maybe the whole creation myth didn't actually occur. Who's to say Aedra aren't just a made up opposing force that mortals conjured up to give them hope in the face of such powerful, seemingly unstoppable creatures as the Daedra? Maybe the hist aren't sentient and it's just a collective cultural hallucination experienced by the Argonians. Maybe the Amulet of Kings is a lie we all believe. Maybe Sithis doesn't exist. Maybe Tiber Septim didn't become a divine.... maybe he just died.Edited by Gidorick on July 10, 2015 1:58PMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Half Breeds (Bretons) are treated as a race. Even if they are technically half elven, the same racial rules apply when they mate - if the mother is Breton the offspring will be Breton, if the father is Breton the offspring will be the race of the mother. Other "half-breeds" would likely take on this characteristic as well, considering the precedent is set with Bretons.
If this were the case the Half-Breeds would have propagated their own races by now.
I like to believe that most half breeds are sterile like a mule. Bretons are an exception.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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BBSooner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Half Breeds (Bretons) are treated as a race. Even if they are technically half elven, the same racial rules apply when they mate - if the mother is Breton the offspring will be Breton, if the father is Breton the offspring will be the race of the mother. Other "half-breeds" would likely take on this characteristic as well, considering the precedent is set with Bretons.
If this were the case the Half-Breeds would have propagated their own races by now.
I like to believe that most half breeds are sterile like a mule. Bretons are an exception.
I completely agree that Bretons are the exception, but for a different reason. They are the exception in the whole "child is the race of the mother" rule, as they are a half breed at all. Having exceptions to exceptions for already detailed events isn't something I really put a lot of faith in.
But then again, we have goofy looking horses and fat Nords on leopards. I wouldn't be surprised if ZOS decided to jump another shark.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@BBSooner, How do you explain the Grey Prince? Or Uriel Septim? Or any of the other handful of documented half breeds?
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jkemmery✭✭✭✭I sort of view the lore books like I do the Bible and other religious texts(no offense to anyone or their beliefs, I'm stating mine): written long ago to explain things for which science now has a good explanation, and full of the indiviual's biases, as well as biases of the times. So, I think that the concept is supported in lore. I can see not allowing Argonian half-breeds, and possibly not Khajits, but why wouldn't a Nord/Redguard mix be perfectly accptable as well as lore-friendly? Even if it was a case of maybe several generations of mixed traits?
Not that this is something I would want to see in the game before lots of other stuff, but I just thought I would post the idea since I had the thought.0 -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »
You played a Half-elf Fighter/Mage/Thief/Cleric, didn't you?I remember way back in the day, you could roll (literally, rolling dice) a D&D character that was a half breed of 2 races. I would love to see this in ESO. Allow a character to be half way between two races, which would mean they get half of the buffs, i.e. 50% of each buff from each race. This, I think, would allow a much greater degree of character customization to fit the style you want. For instance, I could roll up a DK Magica Tank that was a Nord/Altmer cross to get the health regen benefits from the Nord parent and the magica benefits from the Altmer parent. Plus, for the RP'ers they could make up some really interesting backstories! Just curious what other's thoughts on this concept would be.
That would be cool, but no DM I ever played with would allow a dual class character. I think that stuff came along later. I do remember having a Half-Orc chaotic neutral fighter though.1 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I sort of view the lore books like I do the Bible and other religious texts(no offense to anyone or their beliefs, I'm stating mine): written long ago to explain things for which science now has a good explanation, and full of the indiviual's biases, as well as biases of the times. So, I think that the concept is supported in lore. I can see not allowing Argonian half-breeds, and possibly not Khajits, but why wouldn't a Nord/Redguard mix be perfectly accptable as well as lore-friendly? Even if it was a case of maybe several generations of mixed traits?
Not that this is something I would want to see in the game before lots of other stuff, but I just thought I would post the idea since I had the thought.
I 100% agree with you BUT if they were to allow SOME races to interbreed but not all, the player base would while and complain and throw a fit.
It can be explained away with some obscure lore. With the reason us not seeing it often is that beast with men or mer is unusual and taboo. Maybe half breed argonians have a low survival rate because of the hist sap ingestion and maybe khajiits value the purity of their race enough to teach their kittens that it's wrong to breed with men or mer. Then there's post-birth "abortions" to kill the abominations, them being sold of to eccentric lords and kings for their private "collections"... you get the point.
From Notes on Racial Phylogeny and Biology"It is less clear whether the Argonians and Khajiit are interfertile with both humans and elves. Though there have been many reports throughout the Eras of children from these unions, as well as stories of unions with daedra, there have been no well documented offspring....Surely any normal Bosmer or Breton impregnated by an orc would keep that shame to herself, and there's no reason to suppose that an orc maiden impregnated by a human would not be likewise ostracized by her society."
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/notes-racial-phylogeny-and-biologyEdited by Gidorick on July 10, 2015 3:24PMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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✭@BBSooner, How do you explain the Grey Prince? Or Uriel Septim? Or any of the other handful of documented half breeds?
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Half-Breeds
Interracial marriage (and one assumes breeding) is quite common in the TES series. I rather think it's more like what we experience in real life than a suggestion of cross-breeding.
For example: when people ask, I say I'm Irish. But I'm not 100% Irish. 60% maybe? 80% I don't know. And I've always assumed this was the case in Tamriel (and certainly the relationships in the games seem to support it).
Bretons have married Nords whose parents were Redguards and Nords and so on. Grandparents even can alter a human's appearance. Genetically, they make major contributions to our DNA (which is why I have my grandmother's red hair and not my mother's dark brown hair).
The bottom line is "half-breed" is something of misnomer, since interracial marriage and breeding seem to have been going on the TES world for a long, long time.
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✭✭Bretons aren't half-breeds, they're the results of generations upon generations of race mixing - comletely different thing. I don't know what's supposed to be special with Uriel Septim (which of them BTW?), The Gray Prince's mother was an Orc so he obviously is an Orc too (but a bit paler than other orcs)1 -
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✭@BBSooner, How do you explain the Grey Prince? Or Uriel Septim? Or any of the other handful of documented half breeds?
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Half-Breeds
Sure!
(Note: It seems a lot on that list are called Half-Breeds simply for being notable people who happened to have different races as parents, not for being a legimiate - Bretonesque - halfbreed.)
Grey Prince: The legend around him suggests that his father was a Vampire at the time, thus making him 'half-vampire'. Vampires aren't a race, the distinction of being a 'half-vampire' is certainly peculiar, and definitely played in to his birth, but again - vampires aren't a race.
Cassynder Septime: Theorized as a "Tri-breed" because of his mother being Dunmer, while his father being Pelagius III (who is another supposed Half-Breed of Imperial and Altmer). If this is to be taken at face value, are we to assume that a person could have racial traits of all Tamrielic races if they simply have an 'interesting' past? I'd just call him a Dunmer.
Jagar Tharn: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Jagar_TharnHowever, Jagar's exact lineage is unclear.
Jolethe Direnni: Claimed as a half breed simply for having an Imperial father. I'd call her an Altmer.
Mankar Camoran: Listed as Altmer in game, father's race unknown, mother was a bosmer, claims to be Ayleidic in descent. I call it a wash, on par with the un-jungling of Cyrodiil.
Pelagius III: Father was Imperial, Mother was Altmer. physical features of both - pretty unique.
Skelos Undriel: No clue, hah
Tobias: Listed as a half breed simply because his mother and father have different races. I'd say he's Imperial (Colovian) based on his mother.
Uriel Septim IV: No blood relation to Tiber, was born to a Breton father and Dunmer mother. We don't actually see him (as far as I know), is there any reason to think he wasn't a Dunmer based on his mother besides him simply having a Breton father?0 -
Darkeus✭✭✭yeah baby! i would like a dark elf-nord! blueish skin, pointed ears, red eyes, tall and muscle!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I agree that bretons aren't half breeds. That's why they're called Bretons and not Altmer/Nord. They've become a race unto themselves.
I 100% agree with your statements when it comes to the genealogy of the races in the overall lore of ESO @IrishGirlGamer. I could see many many thousands of years in the future there being more races of men and mer than we have now. Just as in the pay there was but 1 race from which both men and mer sprung.
However, for the purpose of game mechanics in The Elder Scrolls Online allowing for a character to be multiple races (the point of the OP) the lore supports the idea of "half-breeds, so ESO could too.
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✭✭✭✭✭Lol. Thanks @BBSooner! Maybe I misunderstood the previous post. I thought you were suggesting that interbreeding isn't generally possible and that the Bretons were simply an exception to that rule.Edited by Gidorick on July 10, 2015 4:05PMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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So you disagree that the lore supports the idea of half breeds? Despite the examples of half-breeds in lore you explained above?Edited by Gidorick on July 10, 2015 4:05PMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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So you disagree that the lore supports the idea of half breeds?
I think it goes to how strictly or loosely someone wants to interpret the lore ...0 -
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So you disagree that the lore supports the idea of half breeds?
I disagree that the lore supports the idea that being a half breed automatically means that the person is infused with the best qualities of both - as opposed to just being the race of the mother (besides the generations of regular mixing that resulted in the Bretons).Edited by BBSooner on July 10, 2015 4:07PM0 -
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So you disagree that the lore supports the idea of half breeds?
I think it goes to how strictly or loosely someone wants to interpret the lore ...
And THAT is why I am so partial to ESO over other fantasy settings. Who's to say the half breeds in lore weren't adopted.... or conceived through infidelity? The "reports" of half breeds are as factual as reports of Bigfoot or the Chupacabra in our world. Lore is fallible and I absolutely LOVE that!
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So you disagree that the lore supports the idea of half breeds?
I disagree that the lore supports the idea that being a half breed automatically means that the person is infused with the best qualities of both - as opposed to just being the race of the mother (besides the generations of regular mixing that resulted in the Bretons).
Oooh. Ok. Sorry. Yea. I agree with you there. The whole "mixing of skills" thing was purely a made up "wouldn't it be cool if" mechanic that could justify allowing players to mix their characters, buy extra slots, and create alternate characters as a gameplay extending mechanic.
I have ZERO desire to play a female, but if I could use her to make THIS:
You bet your bippy I'd level up a Female Bosmer faster than you can say "elf-lizard"!
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The Nedes of High Rock are now called Bretons for the same reason Nedes from Skyrim and Cyrodiil are now called Nords and Imperials.Half Breeds (Bretons) are treated as a race. Even if they are technically half elven, the same racial rules apply when they mate - if the mother is Breton the offspring will be Breton, if the father is Breton the offspring will be the race of the mother. Other "half-breeds" would likely take on this characteristic as well, considering the precedent is set with Bretons.
If this were the case the Half-Breeds would have propagated their own races by now.Edited by tplink3r1 on July 10, 2015 4:38PMVR16 Templar
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