How to kill a dragon knight

Thechemicals · October 2014

I thought this thread was going to actually touch on the tactics that kill dragonknights. I dont need them, but wanted to see if any new tactics came around.Anyway, ill leave a piece of advice from what ive learned.

There have been a few 1v1 tournaments i have seen and for the most part templars would come out ontop over dragonknights and Sorcerers would also do the same. The main tactic used was to exploit a dragonknights charge into daedric mines and/or volcanic runes then quickly deliver damage. For sorcs it would be aoe damage like exploding pets. Impulse is another attack that seems to ignore a Dk's block and so does hard dot damage spells. Templars can remove talons easily and NB's hide and sorcs escape. Considering a DK has a 22 meter charge and a 5 meter lava whip range, i really dont understand how your 28-38 meter range attacks arent being put to better use. Maybe you stayed and fought a dk the way he wanted to fight?

Oh and in a group setting, you dont attack the Dk first....otherwise he really will look op to you.

Armitas · October 2014

astro74 wrote: »

He was good I give him that and he must have been dressed in yellow because my SD is 129 unbuffed and my WD is a bit over the softcap when using surge and I was spamming crushing shock and crystalshard on proc on him while he was killing off my friends and his health were between 70-100% for god know how long. I did kill him in the end but then he already killed half our group.

Learn to play? Lightweaving and crushing shock is one of the best DPS a sorc can do, if he survives for 2-3 minutes when attacked like that it´s a tad...overpowered.

Crushing shock is reflectable. That is probably why his health was not going down. Your shard procs were likely being reflected as well. A DK jumping into that many people is likely to keep scales up rather than wait for a sorc to start casting shards. Scales can do more than just reflect so there are good reasons to keep it up even if there are no projectiles.

Every person that shot themselves to death on scales, or rushed into the DK and died made the DK that much harder to kill. It's other people doing the wrong things that make DK's hard to kill. Remember how hard it was to kill a vamp because people stood in the devouring swarm oblivious to the fact they were healing them? it's like that, DK's feed off of player mistakes.

Kill their stamina, then kill them.

Ragefist · October 2014

I must admit the OP amused me greatly, good post Sir!

eliisra · October 2014

Or just have 5 guys spamming Impulse in his face. Not even (or especially not a DK being mele) can counter such elegant and skill based tactic

Funny post tho, I do know the feeling when you encounter a DK build like frickin' elite PvE boss. You do all the right things, actively drain his stamina, watch for flappy wings, cc, interrupt, stay out of range so he cant feed ulti and hp leech blah blah, but the monsters health still isn't moving lol.

Gillysan · October 2014

I'm a bit loathe to nerf more when mostly the forums is filled with drama like this OP is putting out. Most people refuse to do the work to experiment and tune their pvp setups. Also, you need multiple tools in your toolbox of pwnz-master. If you have only one setup you are nerfing your own potential.

In the short term maybe they should reduce the damage from a reflected shot? Give the person being reflected better visual cue that they are being reflected? (as if big flappy wings isn't enough of a visual cue LOL)

Soulshine · October 2014

Jacques Berge · October 2014

Fought a DK today... V14 sergeant rank in Cyrodiil, rocking the DSA champ title and a pretty dress. As a vampire NB, I completely face rolled him 5 times, quite easily I might say. he must have thought I was OP. You know what I was doing... I would see him with his Magelight and mark him. Then, I send my shades in to go say hello... Shades, the skill where I summon 2 unhittable minions who won't leave you alone if your marked unless you teleport or sprint away. He ran from them and blocked and cast shields and tried using talons and you know what, after I was done laughing I went and ripped all of his internal organs out. I bet he'll start a forum saying the shades move is too powerful. Lolz

TRIP233 · October 2014

Yeah... Dragonknights are over powered... but if the devs changed that then what will be the tank class? I know they said you can play as you want but a different class will have a harder time performing in the role as you wanted to play as, instead of playing as that class was intended to be played.

ExiledKhallisi · October 2014

TRIP233 wrote: »

Yeah... Dragonknights are over powered... but if the devs changed that then what will be the tank class? I know they said you can play as you want but a different class will have a harder time performing in the role as you wanted to play as, instead of playing as that class was intended to be played.

I did speed runs in elite trials with templar tanks.

Spottswoode · October 2014

TRIP233 wrote: »

Yeah... Dragonknights are over powered... but if the devs changed that then what will be the tank class? I know they said you can play as you want but a different class will have a harder time performing in the role as you wanted to play as, instead of playing as that class was intended to be played.

This logic needs to die horrifically. Every class should be able to perform the same job in different ways. Nightblade tanking shouldn't involve spamming reflect spells and armor buffs and Sorcerer healing shouldn't involve using heavy heal spams and lenghty aoe's. (I could go on, but you get the point.) The classes weren't intended to be one specific role (at least from the "play as you want" doctrine) above all else. Dragonknight's are quite naturally suited to tanking, but so are Sorcerers and Templars if you build them correctly. You can even tank as a Nightblade if you use Dark Cloak. Nightblades have to spec their morphs for high end aoe or single target dps and can't do a lot of both with their class skills morphs. Similarly, they can't heal and dps at their max at the same time. The other two Non-DK classes (which is what I will refer to other classes as until this gets fixed) also have to be spec'd by morphs. DK's don't need to spec for high end output and have a lot more options than any of the other classes for any specific specialization.

onlinegamer1 · October 2014

I killed 2 DKs at the same time last night on my NB. I ended the fight at 100% health.

Again, for the 3rd time, you need only 2 things to beat DKs (available to all classes and builds)

- Gold Fire Resist Rune in 1 piece of jewelry
- Cleanse (morph of Purge, in Alliance/Support tree)

Please stop being bad.

Chufu · October 2014

Oh wait, I have an idea for the next trial:

"Dragonknight" - the hardest boss you have ever tried. Harder than Manticore. Harder than everything.

And btw 12 peoples are not enough: It's a 24 people-trial

But very nice story, astro74! I asked myself if that was really true or not

Azarul · October 2014

I've 1v4+ and came out unscathed. Ive also 1v1 all 3 other classes and had my butt handed to me. Are they OP, maybe, can you learn to play better and beat them, definitely.

Armitas · October 2014

Opps meant for the other DK thread.

Evergnar · October 2014

Some of the funnest fights I've had have been DKvsDK, 1v1. They go on forever. With my NB or Sorc it just depends on what the DK is using and doing. Both can out maneuver a DK.

Samwell Slayer · October 2014

astro74 wrote: »

For this you need a well balanced group.
4 tanks with shield and heavy armour. They need to position around the DK. Each tank need 2 dedicated healers each that stand almost in maximum range from the tanks. Use 2 or 3 NB for DPS and then 5 archers and 4 mages that stand on maximum range. Mages need to rotate dps and regen (for them selves and the archers). Use a *** of pots, mana health, spelldamage.. anything you can think of.

After 3 or 4 minutes when the DK health moves under 30% everyone needs to start interrupt the DK to disrupt healing. For the execute phase keep interrupting with the tanks, sorcerers needs to set up ballistas and catapults while NB go Full dps.

If the gods favor you you might bring him down otherwise one of you need to sneak away and set up a forward camp because it will be a full whipe.

You can also try to coordinate with some other raidgroups and if you are 2-3 groups victory is easy. Have one group go full dps as a slight distraction while the other group bombard the DK with ballistas and trebuchets. Third group interrupt and save mana for the execute phase.

Today we were a small group of 12 that got charged by a dk. We were very lucky because after killing 5 of us he must have lost connection so we could finally bring him down.

Ok, it's been 5 minutes and I'm still loling at this.

Durham · October 2014

LOL DKs are not OP ... NBs can easily take them out...

This game is based so much on players and builds...

astro74 · October 2014

Samwell Slayer wrote: »

Ok, it's been 5 minutes and I'm still loling at this.

Yes I know I'm sorry. I understand You got a good laugh, the original tactic was flawed (I forgot ballistas and trebuchets were projectiles) so I have to point you to my update instead. Works much better and if you dont have access to Russian hackers the tactic works as good with Chineese or even American hackers.

astro74 wrote: »

Ok I'm getting reports about full wipes so it is time to revise the advice. I also created a thread where people could teach me how to play and I got tons of good advice there.

So the initial tactic was flawed, here is how you kill the DK in the best way:
Stack up on camps, food and pots.

Skip the archers since they will only pierce themselves on deflected arrows and perhaps half of the raid with them.

Sorcerers shall shieldstack atleast 3 shields and stand ready to hit the teleport button to work as a distraction.

Rest must bash the DK and then immediatly use some sort of block ability that reflects back the reflected damage (apparently it can ounly bounce 2 times so it will end up hitting the DK (rumour says Zenimax is looking into this to allow it to bounce one more time).

The other raidgroup shall NOT use trecuchets or ballistas since those counts as projectiles and will be reflected instantly whiping raidgroup 2 and 3 and half the server with it. Instead the raidgroup needs to hide and sneak up behind the DK and pour burning oil on him since that doesnt count as a projectile. Zenimax acknowledged this vournability and will implement a hotfix for it but the 1337 xploit guild on PTS confirmed you can go around this by hiding the second raidgroup in a 6m high tree. Your tanks needs to be pro though and lure the DK under the tree. Zenimax will add full fire resistance fot the DK (together with the spell immunity and dragonskin to prevent slashdamage) in patch 6 though so xploit while you can.

The third raidgroup will totally avoid the DK not to trigger reflections but instead be focusing on setting up forward camps and run for more oil.

Now this is cruicial: while engaging the DK call your Russian hackerfriends to perform a DoS attack on the computer running the DK and once he disconnects send in the NBs to finish him off.

After patch 6 you simply have to keep the DK occupied and wait for Zenimax to go bankrupt, as they are uninstalling the serverside there might be a glitch you can exploit. Until then bring a *** of soulgems and forward camps.

(No I didnt try the new advice and no Im not pissed...)

Punk1009 · July 2015

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Prepare for a DK nerf. MMOs want money, most players want to spam 1-2 buttons, it takes 3 buttons to kill a DK.

There are three sides to a triangle, 1 = 1, there is one eye in the illuminati symbol, MMO illuminati confirmed
OBEY

leepalmer95 · July 2015

Punk1009 wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Prepare for a DK nerf. MMOs want money, most players want to spam 1-2 buttons, it takes 3 buttons to kill a DK.

There are three sides to a triangle, 1 = 1, there is one eye in the illuminati symbol, MMO illuminati confirmed
OBEY

Grats on bringing up a thread older than me.

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO · July 2015

How to kill a Sorc And a DK?

leepalmer95 · July 2015

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO wrote: »

How to kill a Sorc And a DK?

more like a sorc and a nb, xD

Leandor · July 2015

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO wrote: »

How to kill a Sorc And a DK?

Well, apparently the majority of forum participants agrees that the following completely new tactic will be highly efficient after next update:

Throw cotton balls.

@leepalmer95 , I do think it was the right thing to do, the new tactic needs to be made known widely before people rage quit over pro guilds using this to annihilate whole server populations.

Seth_Black · July 2015

Step 1: Start of by telling him how weak DK is as a class and how only 'noobs' play it
Step 2: Continue stupid comments till [Troll Comments] attack causes [Blood Boil] de-buff
Step 3: Use [Enrage], sit back and watch him explode with 1000001 reasons why DK is master class.
Step 4: After causing [Rage Detonation] mention his R.B.P rotation (Random Button Pressing)
Step 5: Watch him die trying to show how wrong you are

Farorin · July 2015

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Glass cannon NB's are troll builds made to 1-3 shot unsuspecting players in one sided battles.

When these builds get caught out in the open 1v1 they get destroyed.

I am a glass cannon NB and also long time PVP troll, and I can confirm this.

Survive my initial assault, and I am as good as dead, unless I am lucky enough that shadow cloak works without breaking all the time. In which case, then it's like a 50/50

BuggeX · July 2015

Seth_Black wrote: »

Step 1: Start of by telling him how weak DK is as a class and how only 'noobs' play it
Step 2: Continue stupid comments till [Troll Comments] attack causes [Blood Boil] de-buff
Step 3: Use [Enrage], sit back and watch him explode with 1000001 reasons why DK is master class.
Step 4: After causing [Rage Detonation] mention his R.B.P rotation (Random Button Pressing)
Step 5: Watch him die trying to show how wrong you are

LOL actually this is the most case i die in pvp lol

lathbury · July 2015

dragon knights maybe tougher to kill but this thread is on a new level

TequilaFire · July 2015

LOL, my DK dies the same as my other classes.
Gets ran over by zerg of 30 players when starting to try to fight 1 player.

xarguideb17_ESO · July 2015

It will be different for dks after the next major update -> block nerf. We will see less tank dks in cyrodiil.

Rinmaethodain · July 2015

Looks at the topic date. Looks at the mronor who registred 2 years ago just to make two insignificant post and dig up old, outdated and probably full of BS topic that we are now in