Console text chat discussion

bareheiny · July 2015

Well, I doubt I'm adding anything new to this thread...but I may as well add my two cents (and get my first post in).

I've made the jump from DCUO (as have a few other of my PSN friends). So far, I'm loving it...and DCUO sure as hell could learn a few things from ESO.

In saying that, ESO could learn a few things from DCUO. The biggest one being the inclusion of a text chat box....preferably with multiple "channels" that can be customized. My main chat tab in DCUO contained league (guild), group and tells. I had other tabs for shout (essentially area based), LFG etc.

When you're in an instance group giving it a shot with three players because the fourth hasn't even moved from his position on the world map, and you see the tank's character doing the map reading thing before getting "Running low on stamina" you really start to miss the text chat.

Why couldn't s/he use mic? No clue - maybe s/he was shy, maybe the were playing without sound (as I do when Mrs Heiny is working). At the end of the day, it's none of my business...I'm not here to tell folk how to play.

But having a chat tab makes life that little bit easier.

Blustar15 · July 2015

Could I migrate players to the PC version and then, if they bring text chat to consoles, migrate them back?

I really like the game, but without text, it gets really boring. All I hear are random people cursing, farting, babies crying, coughing, mothers yelling at their kids. I'm not over-exagerating or just trying to be funny. so, unless I'm grouping in a Group dungeon, I take the headset off. ( and I still hear random crap through my tv speakers!!!)

They really need to rethink this amazing brainfart they have now dressed up with lipstick. An MMO without chat? Really? Why?

Every other MMO on console has text chat, and ESO can't be bothered, what a way to save a few extra coins for no net gain. FF14 ( or whatever number) has it implemented without a hitch. So frustrating. . .

slipHAZARD · July 2015

According to VGChartz:

PS4 Sales: +800,000k
Xbox One Sales: +650,000k
PC Sales: +690,000k

ZoS really needs to realize where their money is going to be coming from in the near future. Console gamers are going to be a HUGE part of what keeps ESO alive and funded and providing new content. I'm not saying abandon PC Players but they really need to start addressing the console concerns. I don't believe the last ZoS live mentioned consoles and here we have a 53 page thread with over 37k views and 1.6k replies yet not a single bit of information or news about Text Chat from ZoS. While there are other issues with the console version Text Chat is primarily #1 on the Must Have/Fixes. And yet they won't even acknowledge it or at the bare minimum say "Hey were paying attention".

Mean while, Deltia makes a post about CP (a very warranted one, I'm not trying to downplay his opinion or thread) and ZoS can't reply fast enough to it. It already has 4 separate replies from 3 different ZoS Staff members each one atleast acknowledging the topic and the latest providing information about their thoughts and opinions and what they plan to do about it in the future.

And yet Console players are still left in the dark about whether or not we can at least get a basic feature such as simple text chat.

J2JMC · July 2015

@Mighty_oakk @slipHAZARD

Has it occurred to you that deltia's thread is a culmination of complaints and concerns that have been going on for over a year? Or are we going to behave like the people who advocate for only voice chat and dismiss anything that doesn't immediately concern us? Even if the things we are dismissing may arguably have a much larger impact on the game's future?

I understand that text chat is wanted by many and a concern that ZOS needs to address. However, if no text chat was truly number 1 on the list of things that need to be fixed ESO would easily be game of the year.

Your "There are more of us so **** pc concerns(even when those concerns actually apply to all platforms)" comments re no better than the "We beta-tested this game for a year so we deserve more than console peasant" comments.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

bareheiny · July 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

Has it occurred to you that deltia's thread is a culmination of complaints and concerns that have been going on for over a year? Or are we going to behave like the people who advocate for only voice chat and dismiss anything that doesn't immediately concern us? Even if the things we are dismissing may arguably have a much larger impact on the game's future?

I understand that text chat is wanted by many and a concern that ZOS needs to address. However, if no text chat was truly number 1 on the list of things that need to be fixed ESO would easily be game of the year.

The flipside is that if console players can't easily communicate, they may leave ESO before being exposed to the issues that Deltia is addressing.

For new players, text chat is (probably) way more important than addressing these year old issues that don't actually impact them at the moment. Maybe once a critical mass of console players get to the relevant level (fair warning, I've only been playing for a few weeks....what I know about the ranks and such could easily be written on the head of a matchstick).

Not that that should be used as excuse for any of this "master race" malarky and general snarkiness from either side of the debate.

Still...the odd comment from ZOS couldn't go amiss.

Moridin82 · July 2015

Please add text to consol

ch.ris317b14_ESO · July 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

@Mighty_oakk @slipHAZARD

Has it occurred to you that deltia's thread is a culmination of complaints and concerns that have been going on for over a year? Or are we going to behave like the people who advocate for only voice chat and dismiss anything that doesn't immediately concern us? Even if the things we are dismissing may arguably have a much larger impact on the game's future?

I understand that text chat is wanted by many and a concern that ZOS needs to address. However, if no text chat was truly number 1 on the list of things that need to be fixed ESO would easily be game of the year.

Your "There are more of us so **** pc concerns(even when those concerns actually apply to all platforms)" comments re no better than the "We beta-tested this game for a year so we deserve more than console peasant" comments.

The text chat issue is pretty game breaking in an MMO

It really does break all immersion, and honestly communicating via emote in destiny is easier.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

ch.ris317b14_ESO · July 2015

They should have just implemented 'help me' 'attack this' 'defend this' 'retreat' and 'charge' as emotes

Or talk to type, or well just about any other bloody thing than this mess.

bareheiny · July 2015

ch.ris317b14_ESO wrote: »

The text chat issue is pretty game breaking in an MMO.

As immersion breaking as having PSNs displayed above characters instead of actual character names?

LordDeathspit · July 2015

As many have pointed out what's up with babies crying? Burping and music is annoying as well but there's a lot of people ignoring their parental duties.

ch.ris317b14_ESO · July 2015

bareheiny wrote: »

ch.ris317b14_ESO wrote: »

The text chat issue is pretty game breaking in an MMO.

As immersion breaking as having PSNs displayed above characters instead of actual character names?

Ummm.... there is really no difference between PSN names and what the typical gamer names their characters anyway.

Not like anyone really references lore books for correct names

Amiculi · July 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

@Mighty_oakk @slipHAZARD

Has it occurred to you that deltia's thread is a culmination of complaints and concerns that have been going on for over a year? Or are we going to behave like the people who advocate for only voice chat and dismiss anything that doesn't immediately concern us? Even if the things we are dismissing may arguably have a much larger impact on the game's future?

I understand that text chat is wanted by many and a concern that ZOS needs to address. However, if no text chat was truly number 1 on the list of things that need to be fixed ESO would easily be game of the year.

Your "There are more of us so **** pc concerns(even when those concerns actually apply to all platforms)" comments re no better than the "We beta-tested this game for a year so we deserve more than console peasant" comments.

Deltia's concerns can't be solved by them putting a complete feature that already exists back in game, hell, it could be as simple as just turning the text chat pane back on with one toggle, we don't know.

Text chat remains a feature that DEFINITELY existed at one point, and still exists on PC, it's not like it requires a major engine overhaul. It doesn't require new content be created or balance issues sorted, it's just putting something in that previously existed and was removed for no apparent reason.

I also highly doubt the team working on console is the same as the team producing content for PC/everyone, so fixing console interface will likely have literally zero impact on the other issues at hand. Further, Deltia's concerns don't largely center around interface problems, they're mostly gameplay/function related, so, again, not really UI.

Unless you count taking a chunk of the UI out in removing veteran or champion or whatever else they're going on about over there, in which case yes, we would like our text chat put back in before that UI element is taken out.

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Korah_Eaglecry · July 2015

Amiculi wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

@Mighty_oakk @slipHAZARD

Has it occurred to you that deltia's thread is a culmination of complaints and concerns that have been going on for over a year? Or are we going to behave like the people who advocate for only voice chat and dismiss anything that doesn't immediately concern us? Even if the things we are dismissing may arguably have a much larger impact on the game's future?

I understand that text chat is wanted by many and a concern that ZOS needs to address. However, if no text chat was truly number 1 on the list of things that need to be fixed ESO would easily be game of the year.

Your "There are more of us so f*ck pc concerns(even when those concerns actually apply to all platforms)" comments re no better than the "We beta-tested this game for a year so we deserve more than console peasant" comments.

Deltia's concerns can't be solved by them putting a complete feature that already exists back in game, hell, it could be as simple as just turning the text chat pane back on with one toggle, we don't know.

Text chat remains a feature that DEFINITELY existed at one point, and still exists on PC, it's not like it requires a major engine overhaul. It doesn't require new content be created or balance issues sorted, it's just putting something in that previously existed and was removed for no apparent reason.

I also highly doubt the team working on console is the same as the team producing content for PC/everyone, so fixing console interface will likely have literally zero impact on the other issues at hand. Further, Deltia's concerns don't largely center around interface problems, they're mostly gameplay/function related, so, again, not really UI.

Unless you count taking a chunk of the UI out in removing veteran or champion or whatever else they're going on about over there, in which case yes, we would like our text chat put back in before that UI element is taken out.

This is everyones response to new issues that need addressing. 'Theres other issues thats more important and I dont want the Devs being pulled off what I want fixed to fix what concerns you'. Completely ignoring the fact that not everyone at ZOS works on every detail of the game. There are different teams of Devs working on different aspects of the game. Some never see or touch entire portions of the game and its content.

slipHAZARD · July 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

@Mighty_oakk @slipHAZARD

Has it occurred to you that deltia's thread is a culmination of complaints and concerns that have been going on for over a year? Or are we going to behave like the people who advocate for only voice chat and dismiss anything that doesn't immediately concern us? Even if the things we are dismissing may arguably have a much larger impact on the game's future?

I understand that text chat is wanted by many and a concern that ZOS needs to address. However, if no text chat was truly number 1 on the list of things that need to be fixed ESO would easily be game of the year.

Your "There are more of us so **** pc concerns(even when those concerns actually apply to all platforms)" comments re no better than the "We beta-tested this game for a year so we deserve more than console peasant" comments.

I never stated nor implied anything close to that remark. In fact I said his thread/topic is very warranted.

Despite what you believe, no text chat on consoles will impact the games future far more then the current CP system. And is the #1 thing that needs to be fixed. When you have a player base that literally doubles that on the PC you HAVE to maintain that player base. The fact of the matter is this game will live and die by how well it does on consoles. Especially now that the game isn't a subscription service it NEEDS as many players as it can get to pay for ESO+, Crown Store purchases and DLC.

That in turn allows them to create more dlc, more content and fix greater issues concerning both PC and Console players. Also I don't think any sensible person here is saying they have to fix it tomorrow or the next day. But they need to atleast talk about it and sooner rather then later. With every day that passes more and more players will complete the "single" player portion of the game and with a broken group finder and no text chat there's no real looking forward to or incentive for the "endgame" so they will simply move on to something else. And ZoS will have missed their chance to reach those players.

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bareheiny · July 2015

ch.ris317b14_ESO wrote: »

Ummm.... there is really no difference between PSN names and what the typical gamer names their characters anyway.

Not like anyone really references lore books for correct names

Guess I'm not the typical gamer then....I used a ES name generator for ideas and built on that. Then was somewhat disturbed to see it wasn't displayed in-game.

Going a bit of topic here I guess.

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2015

bareheiny wrote: »

ch.ris317b14_ESO wrote: »

Ummm.... there is really no difference between PSN names and what the typical gamer names their characters anyway.

Not like anyone really references lore books for correct names

Guess I'm not the typical gamer then....I used a ES name generator for ideas and built on that. Then was somewhat disturbed to see it wasn't displayed in-game.

Going a bit of topic here I guess.

All of my characters have very lore friendly names. And I wouldnt be surprised if a lot more are like us.

SURxR3AL · July 2015

iv been playing ESO since day one on console launch, i play it everyday and iv reached VR 3 and have only grouped once, not that i dont want to group its just i cant group....the group finder doesnt work, ill spend my entire playing session everyday being in que for a group so i can do a dungeon, iv only done 2 dungeons, not because i dont want to becasue I CANT... i have yet to be in a group for pvp cause i dont want to talk to anyone once i get in, i would like to be about to shout out in text hey LFG then get added and go from there, then ill put on my headset and talk, but not before its just strange to just sit there saying " looking for group" every 5 seconds for the next hour. An MMO should not be so frustrating and deflating to my gaming experience, i love the game for what it is, its fun and energetic and amusing but it would be 100 times better if i could text chat, or if the dang group system worked

Ryddyk321 · July 2015

Even console MMOs on the Playstation 2 had text chat, multiple channels of chat and so forth. IMO it's basically an unfinished product in my eyes. I won't rant and rave, I'll be the quiet customer that either just leaves or no longer supports via sub/crown store/DLC.

fallensbane_ESO · July 2015

been a few days since I was here. Looks like Zeni still has their heads buried in the sand over the issue eh?

Instant_Karma_88 · July 2015

I don't understand for the life of me why we haven't heard anything from the Devs about this... It is so damn frustrating.

This shouldn't even be an issue because it's an MMO and it should inherantly have text chat.

But now that we as a community have been pretty much begging for this simple fix (that ould improve the game ten-fold) since pre-launch, I am starting to get aggravated at the blatant disregard.

Siniztor · July 2015

PS4 HERE

you have got to be ***** kidding me..I was just out in Craglorn doing my crafting Wtrit Surveys..And was Kicked from the server..get this...For Chat Spamming..it said i was sending to many messages...

First we have no text chat
Second Zos won't give a recent comment on it
So the Game decides to kick me for chat spam....what the goldfish

Drake_Fury · July 2015

Siniztor wrote: »

PS4 HERE
you have got to be ***** kidding me..I was just out in Craglorn doing my crafting Wtrit Surveys..And was Kicked from the server..get this...For Chat Spamming..it said i was sending to many messages...

First we have no text chat
Second Zos won't give a recent comment on it
So the Game decides to kick me for chat spam....what the goldfish

That post just made my night. Getting kicked for chat spam while there is no chat.... Kudos ZOS!

Junglejim82 · July 2015

Siniztor wrote: »

PS4 HERE
you have got to be ***** kidding me..I was just out in Craglorn doing my crafting Wtrit Surveys..And was Kicked from the server..get this...For Chat Spamming..it said i was sending to many messages...

First we have no text chat
Second Zos won't give a recent comment on it
So the Game decides to kick me for chat spam....what the goldfish

Yeah this happened to me last week I got pretty ragey over it posted it earlier in this thread it's like I was being trolled . I was in guild chat and I always leave area chat on login so wasn't for an open mic . Fed up with this discussion now if zeni can't give a simple yes no or under Consideration then they don't deserve my support it's beyond a joke now the arrogance from these people astound me . If them replying to deltas thread proves anything it's that they read stuff here so read this .... I'm off work as of tomorrow for 2 weeks the cash I'd have undoubtedly dropped on the crown store during this time will go on witcher batman arkham and general PS store purchases . Support your community and they will support you back . At the minute you are taking the *** out of us by not responding and that's almost as rage inducing as not being able to function like other mmos do .

Leijona · July 2015

@Junglejim82 @Siniztor You were not kicked for spamming in chat. You were kicked for spamming commands. Most likely you had a serious lag, during which you continued to start some commands aka messages to the server. At the end of the lag the client executed all commands at the same time, which therefor became spamming.

markywings · July 2015

When will they listen to us and give us what we want than everyone will be happy.

Lunerdog · July 2015

markywings wrote: »

When will they listen to us and give us what we want than everyone will be happy.

Its quite possible that they just won't, a year on the pc version has taught me that Zenimax are very arrogant and always presume that they know better, even when there's a great deal of evidence to the contrary.

Lleksu · July 2015

Just want to raise my hand as a pro text chat person. All I ever hear when not in a voice party with friends is static, coughing, or random noise. I shut it off so as to avoid that.

Finding a PUG is impossible.

With regards to it showing your PSN name and not your character name; I find it hilarious that if you craft an item, that DOES have your character name! Pick one or the other for goodness sake! Hahaha

prophexor · July 2015

It would be nice to have text chat option.
I'm just wondering how to install a keyboard to the ps4 lol. Trust me ill be installing/buying the required keyboard to use text chat if implemented.
I'll keep an eye on this forum hoping to one day see this implemented.

slipHAZARD · July 2015

prophexor wrote: »

It would be nice to have text chat option.
I'm just wondering how to install a keyboard to the ps4 lol. Trust me ill be installing/buying the required keyboard to use text chat if implemented.
I'll keep an eye on this forum hoping to one day see this implemented.

you literally just plug one in dude that's it. I have a logitech mini wireless keyboard (cost me like $10) just plug the USB dongle into the PS4 and you're good to go.

Thumbdunked · July 2015

prophexor wrote: »

It would be nice to have text chat option.
I'm just wondering how to install a keyboard to the ps4 lol. Trust me ill be installing/buying the required keyboard to use text chat if implemented.
I'll keep an eye on this forum hoping to one day see this implemented.

@prophexor You dont need to install it, both consoles already support keyboards and any old keyboard will do, alternatively both consoles also have chat pads (keyboard only smaller and wireless) and mounted keyboards that plug into your controler both can be picked up fairly cheap.