DenMoria wrote: »

Since I never have played MMO, I guess I'm confused what MMO actually is actually.

Thus far it just seems like hordes of other players wandering around getting in everybody's way.

Even in groups, it's impossible to keep track of who's where and what's going on. I've tried grouping a total of twice since I bought this back in June and, both times, I completely lost track of my team and there doesn't seem to be any way for me to keep track of them because there are so many other players running all over the place and just about everybody seems to look exactly the same (other than class).

That's because you are one of many unfortunate souls playing ESO on a console.

Hmmm...

Totally inadequate poll.

As the game exists now... the multiplayer part really s.. (oops) is terribad. No real group tools. No way to switch PvP zones( I know it is to prevent evil peeps from spying.. but Geebus, total inability to switch?.. not just a 24 hour timer?).

Fix the dam grouping tool(this goes for PVE too). Fix the exclusion from other PvP combat zones with a reasonable timer installed.

Then I'd probably find out what the h..(oops)..heck is going on in PvP. And be able to play the new DLC, which I will NOT purchase until I can use the dam thing.

Until then... solo for me.... see you doing the make-work-stuff.... writs/theft/leveling my pony skills/fishing/etc..

Unless I'm messing with the new Swtor DLC to see if that is the Rick-Roll I think it is... sigh.

ESO in its current form would be a poor single player TES game. It's too linear, too easy and the zones too fragmented. My favorite playstyle, archery, doesn't feel right at all. If I had to play it without other people, I'd go through each alliance once and then quit. I enjoy it as it is because it's multiplayer.

I will buy and play TES VI when it comes out, and I will probably love it. I will mod it to Oblivion and Spin all kinds of crazy builds and be glad they only impact me.

And I will still be playing ESO for its MMO component (unless CU is out by then and I like it better...)

When i first heard about ESO, and the alliance war, i envisioned a world much more simple and joyful.

A world without a real leveling system, just a lot of skills and options you could choose from to create your own character.
(Basically skyrim, yet multiplayer. Enemies always stayed the same level, some stronger than others, and where at the start you couldn't beat certain ones, after some time (and progression) you could.)

A world where you could walk from Auridon to Windhelm (having to cross through Cyrodiil to do so) just to see how it is there without having to be "max level".
A place where one could walk half the world to trade wares and items unobtainable in those regions, meeting its inhabitants (players) face to face.
A place where you could be the wandering hero from a land far beyond, meeting people and seeing places.

Cyrodiil would be a place of war for certain groups. Where Guilds and lone mercenaries would fight for the Ruby throne.
You could side with an alliance, which would give you access to comrades and a banner to fight under, Yet if someone whom you didn't like ascended the throne you could kill him yourself, be it a friend or foe.

A man or woman on the Ruby throne, respected by some and hated by others. Guarded by friends and allies while waiting for someone to burst into the throne room to claim the throne as his/her own.
People from all alliances banding together in a library somewhere in a castle to create new skills and spells.

Where Red, Blue and Yellow were the dominant colors in every alliance if one aligned with said nation was the ruler of the Ruby Throne. Where both murder and Politics could decide whom was to crowned the new ruler.
Where the ones who did not search for conflict and power could walk under a white banner, through the front door of every nation, just to loiter around in a bar with people from strange lands.


Yet what i got was a basic (yet beautiful) MMO where you would never see anyone else but your own folks. Where towns further away from your home are basically empty but for the NPC's sprouting the same 3 lines without end.

I have played a lot of MMO's, and i have to say that ESO is the most beautiful ones i have ever been in. But i miss the public factor i have had in other games.
Standing side by side with people you share a laugh with, from whom you know that ones you meet them in cyrodiil he will run his sword through you without saying sorry (but at the end of the day laughs with you about how stupid you looked back in the town you both call home).

- They should strip this world of wayshrines and restricted zones.
- Leveling should be removed for gear progression.
- Skills trees should stay as they are.
- Borders should be removed, and everyone should be allowed to roam freely.
- Only towns should count as safe zones.
- Every player should have a "yellow" border (so you can turn friendly fire off).
- And every town or encampment should have a record board which will list all active criminals (murderers) in that zone.
- People should be allowed to put a bounty on a player's head if his name is on such a board.
- Guild sellers should be removed, and Vendors should be put in place which you can offer your wares to (and claim the gold they made for you on your next visit to that town).
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This would create for me the ultimate Elder scrolls MMO experience.

Asheetz_Mdrawz wrote: »

Unfortunately, I find that the farther I progress, the more I have to play alone. Group finder doesn't work and my friends/guildies arent the same level. Makes me sad that its so tough to find players to run dungeons with.

I'm pretty sure I ended with a preposition... Sorry.

"...with which to run dungeons."

There...

In TESO, yes MMO is a must....that is kinda the whole point

Looking for just single player or just co-opt in an MMO is like asking your dentist to fix your transmission...

Sallington wrote: »

Yup! It seems like anyone who is bringing up the whole single-player argument simply has no idea what they bought.

I´m happy with my purchase and my single player gaming. That´s all that matters really. The fact that I CAN enjoy it as single player probes that this is part of the TES series and that as such, it keeps the "do whatever you want" motto.
I don´t think I could do single player in WOW, or LOL, that´s why I wont buy them.

Rosveen wrote: »

ESO in its current form would be a poor single player TES game. It's too linear, too easy and the zones too fragmented.

I´m guessing you didn´t play Skyrim: Great game, but it fullfills all what you are saying. It´s the TES style, we like it or not.
Same with archery (I´m an archer always), which was really hard at the beggining (in both Skyrim and TESO), but with a high level, is great.

I've played all the single player TES games, enjoyed them very much then put them on the shelf to collect dust once completed. The reasons I play and enjoy TESO so much is because firstly the MMO side of the PVP, and secondly because I hope this game will be around a long time like other MMO's where I can gradually build my characters up, enjoy guild life, socialize and have fun. I do not see this as Elder Scrolls with friends, I see it as an MMO with linear progression, leader boards, competition, which just so happens to be set in the beautiful world of Tamriel, the one place I always hoped an MMO would!

I wouldn't get as much enjoyment out of a predominantly single player game which had a side of grouping with friends. Those games to me always have an ending, a completion, then there's nothing left to do other than play another game(for me). The whole appeal to an MMO in my eyes is that it will be around long enough to try out all the classes/roles, experience all sides of the factions and meet a lot of like minded hardcore PVP'ers. I do play FPS games also but there is just something special about building a character up, getting gear and throwing fire balls in peoples faces that scratches an itch where other games don't. As much as I get frustrated in these games, I remain loyal because I appreciate the work that has gone in to bring it to us and the work we put in ourselves to create our personas.

I guess this game bridges the devide between casual RPG players and hardcore MMO players, that really is something special...

Sallington wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Since I never have played MMO, I guess I'm confused what MMO actually is actually.

Thus far it just seems like hordes of other players wandering around getting in everybody's way.

Even in groups, it's impossible to keep track of who's where and what's going on. I've tried grouping a total of twice since I bought this back in June and, both times, I completely lost track of my team and there doesn't seem to be any way for me to keep track of them because there are so many other players running all over the place and just about everybody seems to look exactly the same (other than class).

To be honest, playing an MMO on a console, you'll never get the feeling of what an MMO is. The community just isn't there, and the communication is severely lacking.

Can you go to Cyrodil and honestly say it doesnt feel like MMO.

Pallmor wrote: »

If you want Skyrim 2, you'll just have to wait for Bethesda to (maybe) release it someday.

And if you don´t want to wait you can just play ESO as a single player.

Who wants to wait?, and who cares "what ESO was meant to be".