New Strongest Class Predictions

DDuke · July 2015

Sorc

Erock25 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned, all the SORC IS DEAD talk pre 1.6 was all about PVE DPS. I was very active on the PTS forums at that time and it was literally 95% focused on PVE problems (which were not solved - Sorc PVE DPS still weak).

Not even close...

I don't remember the specifics, but sorc DPS can climb extremely high (especially single target), which is why top PvE guilds still run DPS sorcs. What I've heard is that the top one on AD side is dealing 28k single target on Manticora

And I heard that even the people who were adamantly saying Sorc PVE DPS was fixed on 1.6 PTS later reversed their opinions when they found DKs were dominating using a certain +FIRE DMG set bonus. My opinions on PVE DPS are based on second hand knowledge though (looks like your's are too) so I could easily be wrong. My point still stands that 95% of the sorc QQ during 1.6 PTS was about PVE performance.

Not second hand at all, I'm playing in PvE guild with top 2-3 trial scores and I'm much involved in the stamina nightblade theorycrafting that's going on.

There is no doubt that Magicka DK is currently top 1 DPS (compared to everyone else), but Sorcs aren't bad compared to stam NBs or stam Templars.

My mistake about the second hand knowledge part. You mentioned that 28k DPS sorc that wasn't in your guild so that is where I thought your info was coming from. This is off topic as hell though now in a STRONGEST PVP CLASS topic.

I agree this is getting off topic, I just wanted to give emphasis to the fact that most of the sorc doomsday cultists were not only wrong on the PvP aspect of 1.6 for their class, but on PvE as well.

In fact, if these geniuses are going to start "sorc is doomed" threads again I'm going to guess the opposite will happen. History tends to repeat itself.

DDuke · July 2015

Sorc

Soulac wrote: »

No, it doesn´t.
It will increase the base of your stats, and your costs are simply based on that.
Costs will get a bit higher, but you also get more stats.. :P

Yeah I know, but I'm assuming they're making changes with the set bonuses and how they scale etc (just like almost every patch).

Francescolg · July 2015

Nightblade

Don't forget, Mr. W. said: "DW mace is on the radar", he did not say: "this fix will be in the next patch". (call your sources if you have one stating that DW-maces armor penetration nurf is part of the patch)
And having a target with practically no or very low armor is what you want as NB.

Master_Kas · July 2015

Sorc

@Erock25 radiant magelight crap? I dont even use detectpots since I always have radiant on My bar (except in dueling)
Most nbs panic and cant do squat when I run magelight. Learn how to use it

Erock25 · July 2015

Nightblade

DDuke wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned, all the SORC IS DEAD talk pre 1.6 was all about PVE DPS. I was very active on the PTS forums at that time and it was literally 95% focused on PVE problems (which were not solved - Sorc PVE DPS still weak).

Not even close...

I don't remember the specifics, but sorc DPS can climb extremely high (especially single target), which is why top PvE guilds still run DPS sorcs. What I've heard is that the top one on AD side is dealing 28k single target on Manticora

And I heard that even the people who were adamantly saying Sorc PVE DPS was fixed on 1.6 PTS later reversed their opinions when they found DKs were dominating using a certain +FIRE DMG set bonus. My opinions on PVE DPS are based on second hand knowledge though (looks like your's are too) so I could easily be wrong. My point still stands that 95% of the sorc QQ during 1.6 PTS was about PVE performance.

Not second hand at all, I'm playing in PvE guild with top 2-3 trial scores and I'm much involved in the stamina nightblade theorycrafting that's going on.

There is no doubt that Magicka DK is currently top 1 DPS (compared to everyone else), but Sorcs aren't bad compared to stam NBs or stam Templars.

My mistake about the second hand knowledge part. You mentioned that 28k DPS sorc that wasn't in your guild so that is where I thought your info was coming from. This is off topic as hell though now in a STRONGEST PVP CLASS topic.

I agree this is getting off topic, I just wanted to give emphasis to the fact that most of the sorc doomsday cultists were not only wrong on the PvP aspect of 1.6 for their class, but on PvE as well.

In fact, if these geniuses are going to start "sorc is doomed" threads again I'm going to guess the opposite will happen. History tends to repeat itself.

Again I'll say that the vast majority of sorc doomsday cultists were talking about PVE and specifically stating that PVE was getting screwed over because Sorc were already powerful in PVP so it was hard to buff their damage or other aspects at all. And we weren't wrong about PVE.... high Sorc DPS in PVE relies entirely on having a completely full ultimate charge and spamming Power Overload with a stationary boss for Liquid Lightning where according to you we are 2nd best DPS and I believe 4th best tank, 4th best stam DPS, 4th best heals, and 4th best utility. Saying sorc doomsday cultists were wrong is pretty ignorant, but keep trying to make your point in PVP section about what people were saying about PVE 4 months ago.

Jules · July 2015

Nightblade

Lol. And everyone knows it.

Erock25 · July 2015

Nightblade

Jules wrote: »

Lol. And everyone knows it.

Except the NB brigade that think Cloak isn't powerful and have #nerfshieldstacking in their signatures.

Jules · July 2015

Nightblade

Erock25 wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Lol. And everyone knows it.

Except the NB brigade that think Cloak isn't powerful and have #nerfshieldstacking in their signatures.

Lol plz. Shield stacking (50% reduction in 1.7 mind you) has got nothing on what magicka nb has coming.
Also consider that sorcs will have their BE nerf and be quite a bit less mobile.

Cloak is going to LITERALLY ONLY BE COUNTERED BY AOES. No single target. No detect pots.
Couple that with the nerf to nirn and boom bap baby. New meta.

Eejit1331 · July 2015

Nightblade

King Bozo wrote: »

Whoever is the better player behind the controller wins regardless of class.

You get a water gun, I get a DE, 50 we both take 10 paces and ahoot And when I win, it will be because I'm the better player, right! If you want to play dumb and ignore logic, so can others. Not all classes are equal. Not even close.

Joy_Division · July 2015

Nightblade

How is the DK getting any votes at all?

eliisra · July 2015

Nightblade

With the little information shared so far, I would say magicka NB and no competition.

Every class and build is getting their main defences nerfed pretty hard. Only exception is magicka NB, they're actually getting buffed with the improvements to Cloak. Also nirnhoned getting "fixed" so they will now get burst closers to the stamina counterpart.

But might be totally wrong. Because you usually get a bit of a surprise when you read the first PTS patch notes.

King Bozo · July 2015

Eejit1331 wrote: »

King Bozo wrote: »

Whoever is the better player behind the controller wins regardless of class.

You get a water gun, I get a DE, 50 we both take 10 paces and ahoot And when I win, it will be because I'm the better player, right! If you want to play dumb and ignore logic, so can others. Not all classes are equal. Not even close.

Actually they are equal in a sense that every class brings particular strengths and weakness. I play one of every class so I have an understanding of the enemy I face in pvp. So yes I do think every class is pretty equal if you get the better gear and spec to certain builds. Sometimes people may have l2p issues and with time they get better.

Minnesinger · July 2015

Dragon Knight

I go against the flow and vote DKs will regain their pole position. There is not much info on what will be finally done with 1.7. Magicka predicted to be strong again. DKs just perform well in all situations. Sorcs will lose a lot of their mobility. NBs will be a strong contender for the 1st place. Templars...well....in the right hands but no chance to be FOTM.

Ghostbane · July 2015

Dragon Knight

Joy_Division wrote: »

How is the DK getting any votes at all?

Because it is true.

Lisbette · July 2015

Dragon Knight

DK Forever

Ezareth · July 2015

Nightblade

In 1 v 1s I think it will be a tossup between a Sorc and a NB.

In 1vX NBs will reign supreme. Bow NBs in particular will now be the kings of mobility and can always keep their back to a safe area while using the longest range attacks in the game to stay safe. The moment anyone tries getting range of them they only have to retreating manuever + sprint their way to safety.

I think the nerf to dodge rolling will make a stamina nightblade much less fun to play (I have more fun perma-rolling than I do perma-bolting) but with the access to Vigor being given to the unwashed masses, the extra stamina that was being spent on dodge rolling will instead be spent on vigor and the change will only be truly felt when being attacked by 4 or 5 people.

Bad nightblades will be just as bad since they don't dodge roll anyways and will lose a good chunk of their surprise burst damage.

Xsorus · July 2015

Nightblade

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Its going to be nightblades, The changes to Cloak alone insure that....No single target attacks knocking them out of stealth? throw in detect pots not working..Yea....

Start adding all the other little things they did and you end up with Magicka Nightblades being over the top.

Sorcs will probably be second, and DK and Templar will probably be tied for bottom.

What happened to stamina NB being the way to go post 1.6 (if you wanted to be a NB)? You saying after next major update stam NB no longer viable?

Stamina Nightblades will probably still be good, The drop in burst is a problem because Stamina Nightblades rely on killing targets quickly...Dodge Change means they take more damage as well since they'll have to dodge less.

Pretty much all the defense abilities in the game are getting nerfed, the one that's not eating a nerf is Dark Cloak, so anytime they Dark Cloak think of it as a form of Mitigation where they aren't taking damage similar to Dodge Roll now.

So basically it would behoove NBs to go the magic route versus stamina is pretty much what you are saying.

So off the top of your head, without too much thinking, just going off what you know and what you can theorize, what do you see a magic NB carrying post update? any particular armor set, enchants, dual wielding, two handed, a staff rather than a bow???

Impossible to say until we see the 20+ new sets that are coming into the game

Soris · July 2015

Templar

Templar. I have the faith

Master_Kas · July 2015

Sorc

Erock25 wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Lol. And everyone knows it.

Except the NB brigade that think Cloak isn't powerful and have #nerfshieldstacking in their signatures.

I've never said cloak is not powerful. So where do you get that from? I stated in my first comment that I think sorcs will be topdogs alongside magicka nbs. But obviously you do not read everything I write, or you just ignore those parts.

Cloak got counters which make it USELESS, a waste of magicka.
Shields dont have such a counter . Except outdamaging them.

But whatever. People like you trying to get other classes nerfed to hide their own OPness. Didn't work and sorcs got hit with the nerfhammer. And it will keep happening to anything that is OP. I'm done

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO · July 2015

Templar

I say templars because with damage being halved in pvp then all burst damage builds will become obsolete, which means sorcs and nbs.

All that matters by then is group support and sustainability and that is where the templar (and DK) shines while the high burst builds will have no role anymore.

Jules · July 2015

Nightblade

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

I say templars because with damage being halved in pvp then all burst damage builds will become obsolete, which means sorcs and nbs.

All that matters by then is group support and sustainability and that is where the templar (and DK) shines while the high burst builds will have no role anymore.

This would be true.
If only damage were being halved.

However, damage shields and heals are also being halved. Which makes it improbable that these classes will have a major advantage over high burst damage classes.

Soris · July 2015

Templar

Jules wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

I say templars because with damage being halved in pvp then all burst damage builds will become obsolete, which means sorcs and nbs.

All that matters by then is group support and sustainability and that is where the templar (and DK) shines while the high burst builds will have no role anymore.

This would be true.
If only damage were being halved.

However, damage shields and heals are also being halved. Which makes it improbable that these classes will have a major advantage over high burst damage classes.

Yeah. If I now heal 1 point vs your 1 point damage, it will be like 0.65 p. heal for your 0.65 p. damage. Nothing gonna change. Only we will have more time to react by health pools effectively being 35% buffed. But with this new block mechanism, it will be kinda harder than now I believe.

WebBull · July 2015

Nightblade

Joy_Division wrote: »

How is the DK getting any votes at all?

Most NB's aren't going to vote for themselves to be overpowered so they vote for the class that is the most difficult for them to kill.

Jules · July 2015

Nightblade

Soris wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

I say templars because with damage being halved in pvp then all burst damage builds will become obsolete, which means sorcs and nbs.

All that matters by then is group support and sustainability and that is where the templar (and DK) shines while the high burst builds will have no role anymore.

This would be true.
If only damage were being halved.

However, damage shields and heals are also being halved. Which makes it improbable that these classes will have a major advantage over high burst damage classes.

Yeah. If I now heal 1 point vs your 1 point damage, it will be like 0.65 p. heal for your 0.65 p. damage. Nothing gonna change. Only we will have more time to react by health pools effectively being 35% buffed. But with this new block mechanism, it will be kinda harder than now I believe.

That's what I was thinking. I wasn't sure that anything would change at all with all three receiving equal nerfs.
Some people think TTK will go up but I'm not so sure. I think it's highly situational and has the potential to go down too.

I think people will still be able to do a fair amount of damage... I think the lack of 50% shields and heals AND with block mechanism changing, these will prove to be more influential over TTK. For now it's up in the air I guess.

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2015

Nightblade

When 7 drops there's gonna be NB every where cause of cloak being "fixed"

Soris · July 2015

Templar

Joy_Division wrote: »

How is the DK getting any votes at all?

I think people are voting for themselves hoping the best with a little bit trolling inside. Like I did myself. Might be those pesky NBs too tho not sure

But in any case NBs are gonna be most op again, that's for sure...and obvious.

Jules · July 2015

Nightblade

Joy_Division wrote: »

How is the DK getting any votes at all?

The world may never know

Erock25 · July 2015

Nightblade

Master_Kas wrote: »

But whatever. People like you trying to get other classes nerfed to hide their own OPness. Didn't work and sorcs got hit with the nerfhammer. And it will keep happening to anything that is OP. I'm done

Funny you changed your sig calling for sorc nerfs right before making this comment ya hypocrite. Sorc only getting the nerf hammer because Eric Wrobel doesn't understand this game at all. It was honestly painful watching him give explanations about the changes they are making and why they are making them.

Raizin · July 2015

Templar

i ll show u all, fakers:D

Master_Kas · July 2015

Sorc

Erock25 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

But whatever. People like you trying to get other classes nerfed to hide their own OPness. Didn't work and sorcs got hit with the nerfhammer. And it will keep happening to anything that is OP. I'm done

Funny you changed your sig calling for sorc nerfs right before making this comment ya hypocrite. Sorc only getting the nerf hammer because Eric Wrobel doesn't understand this game at all. It was honestly painful watching him give explanations about the changes they are making and why they are making them.

I changed it before I saw your comment

hypocrite why ? You even know what the word means?
Learn to read peoples posts before commenting. Again where did I say cloak is useless?
I said some skills can Make it useless, which is a fact. And I still think shieldspamming should have some regen/cost penalty just like dodgeroll and block got. That I still stand for.

You're way to aggressive, and clearly not reading my posts so dont expect any reply

Edit: People who know me and have talked to me know I was not defending the OPness of nightblades. Always said stamblades AND shieldspamming sorcerers needs toning down. But then again, you probably will only read "nerf sorcs" of everything I wrote dont know why I bother.