Grinding Etiquette

Sacadon · July 2015

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UTG_Zilla wrote: »

Does it really matter? The other person joining in isn't taking your loot so it's not ninja'ing.

I do this.

When I see a caster or a low level attempting to kill higher mobs (idk how because isn't last main quest at level 50? But I've seen a few level 40s in auridon veteran zone for DC) and they need help then yea I'll join in and help them kill so they don't have to kite, most of the time I just ambush and take a big Chunk of health off the enemy and leave. Am I doing a wrong?

Please tell me so because I don't see any wrong in helping someone not die while also not taking their loot or xp (they still get xp)

This is about taking the experience from killing not loot. But FTR, the hard part about helping is that you never know what the other wants, so IMO you can't get it wrong. When it comes to XP, if you are the 3rd person joining in, then you just took XP from 2 people. Why ZOS does this in a game that should promote playing with others is just crazy.

CriD · July 2015

I CLAIM ALL OF GLENUMBRA AS MINE.

Tholian1 · July 2015

Please log out until I am finished grinding. Thank you for your understanding.

Sacadon · July 2015

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Tholian1 wrote: »

Please log out until I am finished grinding. Thank you for your understanding.[/

I will... Soon.

Ace_of_Destiny · July 2015

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I am The Imperial Vestige...please do not enter My Imperial City upon it's release.

Thank You.

helediron · July 2015

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I have no trouble others arriving to grind spots. Everyone has equal rights to grind mobs. I believe politeness pays off and that has been actual experience most of the time. It is usually unclear who comes when and people jump away to sell&repair and back. There is no "we were first here". But if a grind spot already has three or more, i go away.

Only really bad etiquette is those who tag and run ahead to next mobs, leaving others to do killing. If that happens we (regardless if i am alone or grouped) stop killing those mobs. One of us follows the tagger, tags same mobs without killing and keeps whispering. The other(s) keeps killing mobs further ahead. Tagger gets zero xp while we still get some until they usually quickly submit.

Questers are sometimes hard to spot, especially when i have fallen into grinding "zone". That has caused some whispers to me - like "don't steal my xp", "give me a chance", or "aargh, take them away". I think questers have a priority over grinders. I try to apologize and ask if they need help. If not i just go to sell&repair. Especially on lower levels when leveling an alt, surprisingly many gladly accept my offer of help, and i have often quested together awhile or did dolmens or WBs.

Heruthema · July 2015

I have had the problem where I am grinding a spot by myself and a group of grinders come and hog everything. Where's the etiquette in that?

Artfuldodger · July 2015

Still not sure of all the terminology yet, but having a guess, is this where a player is fighting things to get xp and another player jumps in the fight to get xp as well?

I have jumped in when I have seen a player fighting some thing but only to help, maybe I should not have then.

snackrat · July 2015

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Other: I deal with it.

redspecter23 · July 2015

We need more spots to get XP, especially for V11+ and this issue disappears completely. The entire concept of grinding mobs for max xp/min while also destroying the xp rate if more than 2 people are present is entirely on ZoS. The design of that xp system is extremely short sighted and produces animosity among players.

If someone comes to an area where I'm mob grinding, I consider it a form of pvp and a fight has just started for control of that area. I may choose to leave, or fight for the spot. I may even call upon a number of guildies to come and attempt to scare off the new players that have shown up. Yes they have every right to be there as I do, but I don't have to make it easy on them and they don't have to make it easy on me either.

OzJohnD · July 2015

Leave my mobs alone !

newtinmpls · July 2015

Chaos0720 wrote: »

See in honestly the way I see it is, if someone is fighting a mob (I don't know where the grind spots are and I honestly don't care, I'm gaining xp just find), I feel like a *** for not helping them. So what I end up doing is sitting back and checking the health bars to see who's winning and step in if necessary, or rez them if they die..

Yup.

I don't grind. I find it mind-numbingly boring. So if I'm anywhere and I see someone jumping into a mob, I figure 1-they are in a hurry, and 2-I keep an eye on them (health bar wise) to see if they might need help. I usually won't throw in much more than a light distance attack or a heal. I'm not trying to steal anyone's thunder, but we've all needed a tich of help on occasion.

The one exception to this is if I see someone running from guards. Then I just sit back and cackle.

danovic · July 2015

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The grinders are usually the only ones who qualify as griefers if they interfering with others completion of quests. They are griefing game wide especially on areas of the main quest. The worse ones are the grinder/griefers in delves who run buy kill the boss wile i'm stuck dealing with there trains before you can get there then you stuck waiting for respawn. This happens way to often. Just play the game and show a little courtesy. I will always wait a few if I see someone else that needs to kill boss then give them the chance with the kill.

kevlarto_ESO · July 2015

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If I am grinding in an area, and some one shows up, I invite them to the party, I am not entitled to the mobs they are there for everyone, and if they refuse to join my group, past experience has been I will out last them, and they leave, and if they don't oh well, so what if I got a little less experience on this outing, there are ways to make it up..:)

Emma_Overload · July 2015

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Other: Invite them into a group and ignore them if they don't join you.

Personally, I try to avoid other grinders when I'm grinding, but sometimes the field is very crowded, and they can't be avoided. On those occasions, I never say anything, but I step up my game and do s--tloads of damage all over the place to make sure I get my XP. On those rare occasions someone is clearly trying to annoy or is actually dumb enough to send a hate whisper, I'll even slot "Inner Fire" and taunt all the mobs away from them, LOL.

I never, ever, ever curse at anyone or even argue with them, however... you don't want to give some turd ammunition to report you!

Sacadon · July 2015

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helediron wrote: »

I have no trouble others arriving to grind spots. Everyone has equal rights to grind mobs. I believe politeness pays off and that has been actual experience most of the time. It is usually unclear who comes when and people jump away to sell&repair and back. There is no "we were first here". But if a grind spot already has three or more, i go away.

Only really bad etiquette is those who tag and run ahead to next mobs, leaving others to do killing. If that happens we (regardless if i am alone or grouped) stop killing those mobs. One of us follows the tagger, tags same mobs without killing and keeps whispering. The other(s) keeps killing mobs further ahead. Tagger gets zero xp while we still get some until they usually quickly submit.

Questers are sometimes hard to spot, especially when i have fallen into grinding "zone". That has caused some whispers to me - like "don't steal my xp", "give me a chance", or "aargh, take them away". I think questers have a priority over grinders. I try to apologize and ask if they need help. If not i just go to sell&repair. Especially on lower levels when leveling an alt, surprisingly many gladly accept my offer of help, and i have often quested together awhile or did dolmens or WBs.

Finally someone gets it.

newtinmpls · July 2015

Sacadon wrote: »

[If that happens we (regardless if i am alone or grouped) stop killing those mobs. One of us follows the tagger, tags same mobs without killing and keeps whispering. The other(s) keeps killing mobs further ahead. Tagger gets zero xp while we still get some until they usually quickly submit.

What is tagging? And what is the point of it?

Just curious, 'cause I have no real idea what you are talking about.

Junipus · July 2015

Call on your grinding buds to out-grind them so they do nothing but waste time

helediron wrote: »

I have no trouble others arriving to grind spots. Everyone has equal rights to grind mobs. I believe politeness pays off and that has been actual experience most of the time. It is usually unclear who comes when and people jump away to sell&repair and back. There is no "we were first here". But if a grind spot already has three or more, i go away.

Only really bad etiquette is those who tag and run ahead to next mobs, leaving others to do killing. If that happens we (regardless if i am alone or grouped) stop killing those mobs. One of us follows the tagger, tags same mobs without killing and keeps whispering. The other(s) keeps killing mobs further ahead. Tagger gets zero xp while we still get some until they usually quickly submit.

Questers are sometimes hard to spot, especially when i have fallen into grinding "zone". That has caused some whispers to me - like "don't steal my xp", "give me a chance", or "aargh, take them away". I think questers have a priority over grinders. I try to apologize and ask if they need help. If not i just go to sell&repair. Especially on lower levels when leveling an alt, surprisingly many gladly accept my offer of help, and i have often quested together awhile or did dolmens or WBs.

Afaik, None of the grinding spots only have quest specific NPCs in them which would affect the abilities of someone questing to complete that quest. They all have core quest mobs which tend to be out of the way of the main grind collection spots so that those grinding and those questing rarely have to fight for the same XP if they stick to their respective roles.

Some questers might want to get extra XP by killing mobs that I grind, which I usually don't mind since they'll be there for 1, maybe 2, pulls before going on their merry way. If they stay and grind some more however then I'll either out-dps them or try and get them to join a group to avoid needless competition.

WolfgangArmadeus · July 2015

Report them for griefing and leave

I feel like the author of this post (he or she) failed to adequately describe the given situation, or the majority failed to understand his/her explanation. What i got out of it was that he/she considers it to be pretty darn rude and on the line of griefing when another player(s) show up and go out of their way to interrupt your xp grind. In some instances it is quite obvious they had no intention of xp grinding until they saw you doing it and just wanted to interrupt your enjoyment. In that case, yeah, report them and move on. :Note: It is also proper etiquette to take a step back and see if they are really trolling you or are they really just trying to grind too.?.
These type of issues exist in other instances as well, for instance: someone brings an enemy to you while you are opening a treasure chest, the enemy attacks you and stops you from looting said chest, the other player then steals the chest from you. Or like the prisoner of jathsogur quest, there is always 1 or 2 people messing it up for everyone else. Report these players everytime i see one, if you dont report them they will continue spoiling the fun for yourself and others...

Yinmaigao · July 2015

Report them for griefing and leave

WolfgangArmadeus wrote: »

I feel like the author of this post (he or she) failed to adequately describe the given situation, or the majority failed to understand his/her explanation. What i got out of it was that he/she considers it to be pretty darn rude and on the line of griefing when another player(s) show up and go out of their way to interrupt your xp grind. In some instances it is quite obvious they had no intention of xp grinding until they saw you doing it and just wanted to interrupt your enjoyment. In that case, yeah, report them and move on. :Note: It is also proper etiquette to take a step back and see if they are really trolling you or are they really just trying to grind too.?.
These type of issues exist in other instances as well, for instance: someone brings an enemy to you while you are opening a treasure chest, the enemy attacks you and stops you from looting said chest, the other player then steals the chest from you. Or like the prisoner of jathsogur quest, there is always 1 or 2 people messing it up for everyone else. Report these players everytime i see one, if you dont report them they will continue spoiling the fun for yourself and others...

This was the impression I got as well, and voted accordingly.

OzJohnD · July 2015

... oh, just like WoW ?

Sacadon · July 2015

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Yinmaigao wrote: »

WolfgangArmadeus wrote: »

I feel like the author of this post (he or she) failed to adequately describe the given situation, or the majority failed to understand his/her explanation. What i got out of it was that he/she considers it to be pretty darn rude and on the line of griefing when another player(s) show up and go out of their way to interrupt your xp grind. In some instances it is quite obvious they had no intention of xp grinding until they saw you doing it and just wanted to interrupt your enjoyment. In that case, yeah, report them and move on. :Note: It is also proper etiquette to take a step back and see if they are really trolling you or are they really just trying to grind too.?.
These type of issues exist in other instances as well, for instance: someone brings an enemy to you while you are opening a treasure chest, the enemy attacks you and stops you from looting said chest, the other player then steals the chest from you. Or like the prisoner of jathsogur quest, there is always 1 or 2 people messing it up for everyone else. Report these players everytime i see one, if you dont report them they will continue spoiling the fun for yourself and others...

This was the impression I got as well, and voted accordingly.

Yes, both of you have a grasp on what I was trying to convey.

nimander99 · July 2015

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Find another spot... go to one of the hundred or so caves in Cyrodiil.

I may be wrong about this but I've been operating under the belief that one other person tagging kills does not reduce exp.

mtwiggz · July 2015

Call on your grinding buds to out-grind them so they do nothing but waste time

Typically my grinding buds and I will jus out grind any unwanted company.

The fact that you get reduced XP per player tagging mobs, or in group, is a terrible mechanic for an MMO. The point of an MMO is to social interact with other players and play the game with others, not be upset that they have shown up to where you are trying to play.

I've posted many comments about this silly system in place. They've been continuously overlooked by ZoS. I really believe they were not ready to handle an MMO. As many aspects of this game are single player based. Very few things other than content made for groups is at all group oriented.

BlueViolet · July 2015

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As someone who was once told to "get out, this is MY grind" in a dwemer ruin where I was doing a quest, as far as I'm concerned "grind etiquette" can be stuffed fully and firmly where the sun doesn't shine.

No one owns mobs in this game. It's not "your" mob. Or anyone else's. And after said incident I mentioned above, I now no longer shift for anybody. And I'll kill or do whatever I need to, to finish my questing. I see some people say here they've run into polite grinders. I must be missing them all, because all I ever seem to run into are rude jackasses.

reclaimervii.sierra117ub17_ESO · July 2015

I don't get it, why can't ZO$ offer max level like WoW does?

Cernow · July 2015

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Did you really use the word "immersion" in this context. LOL. It's a MMO not a single player game. Deal with it.

And if you want to have a serious discussion about etiquette in grinding spots (and I agree that barging in on another player is poor etiquette) then you really shouldn't be using terms like "griefing".

Sacadon · July 2015

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Cernow wrote: »

Did you really use the word "immersion" in this context. LOL. It's a MMO not a single player game. Deal with it.

And if you want to have a serious discussion about etiquette in grinding spots (and I agree that barging in on another player is poor etiquette) then you really shouldn't be using terms like "griefing".

No I didn't. That word is just part of a definition I copied from another website. Also why it's at the bottom. Grinding in certain areas could certainly ruin someone's immersion I suppose, but even though it's relevant, it had nothing to do with the post.

The context of griefing in this case is when another player has clear intentions to negatively interfere with another's gameplay. Gameplay beng defined as repeatedly killing mobs for XP.

Others may create polls to qq, but I wanted to hear what others thought about it. Instead I get to hear others qq, it's so backwards. So no it's not about me and therefore nothing to deal with as you say. My stance on it (as stated earlier) is to try to communicate first, then just leave if they continue and come back later.

Halfwitte · July 2015

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Go play FFXI where people train entire zones onto your party and have you wiped out, because it takes an entire party to kill 1-2 mobs at once or they run in a tag the mob before your tank pulls and they get all the xp for you killing it. You could stand around and camp a rare mob that spawns once in a blue moon and the first person to tag it gets credit for killing it and the loot. Oh when you die from the pain train that got pulled onto your group you could lose xp and level down and the gear you're wearing would unequip because you no longer meet the requirements. The best was in WoW when a rogue could be sleathed next to your group while you kill a world boss and after it is dead appear and steal all the loot while your raid leader was congratulating everyone. Don't know how this can even be considered grieving comparatively. In the early days of Ulitma Online people could steal other players blind while they were standing at the bank and literally take everything on their person and immediately deposit in their own bank.

FilthyMudcrabs · July 2015

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Reporting someone for killing things more quickly than you? Seems a bit harsh. Makes me wonder/hope that people who over-report can face the ban hammer as well.