I think the lowering of fire vulnerability is a positive thing because as it is... everyone and their Fairy Godmother uses fire in this game. PCs, Npc's, Siege...etc. What they need to also add is a reduction from Ice damage to counter that fire. No reason an undead corpse should be as susceptible to the cold as a living creature.

I am fairly receptive of the change. Might make them more viable in PvE again.

No more vampires dieing in one hit to Bogdan's stomp.

lathbury wrote: »

Yinmaigao wrote: »

I am fairly receptive of the change. Might make them more viable in PvE again.

No more vampires dieing in one hit to Bogdan's stomp.

maybe they should block?

If you have ever pugged vet EH, you know the type of player I am talking about ;(

i'm going to start maxing my flawless dawnbreaker seems as everyone is going to be either a werewolf or vamp in pvp now, they'll still take that extra 60% dmg :P

I think it's a very good thing. Vamp is tough to run in pve because everything uses fire. I know I will be happy lol

I'm indifferent, though it may make vampires semi viable in PvE.. now, make the stages last several hours and give vampires the feed on anything with blood and I may even consider it.

Troneon wrote: »

There is still loads of burning from skills especially DK's and Templars as well as siege like fire trebs and ballista are super common in pvp.

So if you are planning on any pvp, for me personally I will never pick a vamp even if it's just 10% extra damage from fire, never mind 25%. I just will not pick vamp while it has a fire weakness, fire is just too common in pvp.

Easiest way around this if your hell bent on being a vamp but don't want the insane weakness to fire is:
Dark Elf NB+Fully Upgrade Fire Resistance+Dark Cloak=Nerfed damage vamps also have mist form to mitigate damage, so if you don't wanna keep dark cloak on your main, keep it on your backup skill bar. Dark Elf passives will reduce the fire damage, and activating Dark Cloak will remove the burning DoT effect will make fire damage useless

Plus, the NB siphoning skill line mixes well with Vamp

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Dunno about PvE, in PvP it's not a good change.

We're finally at a point where being Vampire is beneficial to a lot of builds, but not near-mandatory for almost everyone anymore. Contrary to all the whining threads ( "Vamps in Cyrodiil will go extiiinct, whawhawha" ) there are still plenty of them around, probably more than WW and "normal" players combined.

Halving the only significant penalty will lead to zergs of Vamps scouring Cyrodiil for the handful of potential prey again. The functional benefits are just too great, especially to DK and Temp.

( That's also the reason WW aren't an issue. The stamina reg is a nice bonus, but pretty much every build can do without it and hardly even notice )

agree and one of my v14's is a vamp the other is a ww

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Yay!! I might survive a lot better against Bogden the Nightflame. WooHoo!!

no fire resist gear is required for any of the PVE content currently in game

The_Sadist wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

I'm indifferent, though it may make vampires semi viable in PvE.. now, make the stages last several hours and give vampires the feed on anything with blood and I may even consider it.

i think they are already viable

Swell, I wouldn't take a random vampire to certain dungeons or while running someone through DSA / VDSA sort of thing, but that's just me.

if they offered more in terms of what they could bring to the group would you?

lathbury wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

I'm indifferent, though it may make vampires semi viable in PvE.. now, make the stages last several hours and give vampires the feed on anything with blood and I may even consider it.

i think they are already viable

Swell, I wouldn't take a random vampire to certain dungeons or while running someone through DSA / VDSA sort of thing, but that's just me.

if they offered more in terms of what they could bring to the group would you?

If the player behind the character was competent and capable I'd probably take them regardless, but in terms of PUGs seeing a vampire healer or a vampire tank when we're in a particularly fire intensive dungeon can be a bit tiresome. I remember trying to heal two awesome DPS based individuals in vet CoA, we managed, but there was a lot of "crap just got one hit through block" sort of thing. There were instances where we had flawless runs (helm farming is fun zz), but it required both players to be on their A game. This was pre 2.0 though, so things probably have changed since. That being said, I'm all for adding more utility to vampires and werewolves, but I'm also hopeful a 'normal' based skill line will appear at some point. Ultimately I'd like to be a Lich of some sort, but let's be honest, that won't happen .

Sorry, if blocking prevented burn damage, I would block, to stop the fire from making my useless block make it so I can't ward myself during burn.

I accept this change, as a Dark Elf, I feel I speak for the entire Dark Elf Community when I say

"Vampires Have Rights too!"

I'm pretty sure, many people will become Vampires now (hopefully) Because my Dawnbreaker will love this
I think, the change to Werewolf won't change anything. I feel like over half of the community are Werewolfs anyway, because you get a fat 15% stamina regen bonus and have no Drawbacks while in your humanoid form, which is stupid in my opinion. But I dare to say, Werewolf is the strongest Ultimate in the game.... I hope people will never discover, how OP Werewolf is for stamina DDs.

I myself will always stay normal, even though I am stupid for not becoming Werewolf and ignore this 15% stamina passive. Pretty unsatisfying. But I am strong.

Domander wrote: »

theghost133 wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

There is still loads of burning from skills especially DK's and Templars as well as siege like fire trebs and ballista are super common in pvp.

So if you are planning on any pvp, for me personally I will never pick a vamp even if it's just 10% extra damage from fire, never mind 25%. I just will not pick vamp while it has a fire weakness, fire is just too common in pvp.

Easiest way around this if your hell bent on being a vamp but don't want the insane weakness to fire is:
Dark Elf NB+Fully Upgrade Fire Resistance+Dark Cloak=Nerfed damage vamps also have mist form to mitigate damage, so if you don't wanna keep dark cloak on your main, keep it on your backup skill bar. Dark Elf passives will reduce the fire damage, and activating Dark Cloak will remove the burning DoT effect will make fire damage useless

Plus, the NB siphoning skill line mixes well with Vamp

Do you know how very little the dark elf passive reduces fire now? It's like 2-3%

Eh, but it's something. I never said it completely gets rid of it but in combination with dark cloak fire really isn't a big issue. On my other character who is currently a vamp activating dark cloak as soon as I get hit with a treb basically removes the threat of fire with the damage basically only coming from initial impact....you CAN enter stealth in dark cloak which also leaves you invisible to enemies when coming out of it provided youre not too close as well as activate mist form if you need to retreat and heal.....

Yes fire hurts, but at the same time - tactics can mitigate that