Bolt Escape / Dodge / Blocking / Shields Nerf

timidobserver · July 2015

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Game will be elder nightblades online, was fun when it lasted guys.

Everybody gets a turn at being the FOTM. AT launch it was DKs. Then it went to Templar. Now it is Sorcs. Nbs will be next.

Phoenix99 · July 2015

Stop whining, the nerf to bolt escape was needed from day 1, it is a good change... Note that there is also a 50% reduction in the overall DMG output to offset changes to shield, roll dodge and bolt escape.

The only thing that changed is that you now no longer will be able to roll dodge and bolt escape indefinitely, which is a good change.

My only concern is that from the list given by the OP i see nothing that helps Heavy Armor to be useful

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

People who dont know how to play rely on crutches like unlimited bolt escapes or unlimited dodge. Learn to play is my advice.

Juraigr · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

People who dont know how to play rely on crutches like unlimited bolt escapes or unlimited dodge. Learn to play is my advice.

Yeah ok lol

DDuke · July 2015

Overall, I'm very happy with what we've heard so far, as they seem to be fixing many of the broken things in this game across the board.

It seems to me that people are tunnelvisioning on their own playstyle and how these changes affect it, without seeing the big picture.

No instagibbing (damage taken reduced)
No permablocking
No infinite roll dodge
Damage shields 5% weaker(?) [Damage taken goes from -20% to -50%, meaning damaging abilities are 30% weaker than currently, while Shields/Heals go from -15% to -50%, meaning they're 35% weaker than currently]

Pardon me, but isn't this what people have been asking for?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

Juraigr wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

People who dont know how to play rely on crutches like unlimited bolt escapes or unlimited dodge. Learn to play is my advice.

Yeah ok lol

If your entire build revolves around unlimited bolt escpaes you certainly have no idea how to play.

Juraigr · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

People who dont know how to play rely on crutches like unlimited bolt escapes or unlimited dodge. Learn to play is my advice.

Yeah ok lol

If your entire build revolves around unlimited bolt escpaes you certainly have no idea how to play.

Seems legit I based my class around my primary ability, and my.primary function which is.mobility bit.ok rofl, don't even main sorc
RIP DK

Erock25 · July 2015

DDuke wrote: »

Overall, I'm very happy with what we've heard so far, as they seem to be fixing many of the broken things in this game across the board.

It seems to me that people are tunnelvisioning on their own playstyle and how these changes affect it, without seeing the big picture.

No instagibbing (damage taken reduced)
No permablocking
No infinite roll dodge
Damage shields 5% weaker(?) [Damage taken goes from -20% to -50%, meaning damaging abilities are 30% weaker than currently, while Shields/Heals go from -15% to -50%, meaning they're 35% weaker than currently]

Pardon me, but isn't this what people have been asking for?

Cloak should get the Bolt Escape treatment though.

Raizin · July 2015

Soris wrote: »

RIP Blazing Shield
RIP Breath of Life
RIP Templar

hype for dps templars like me, u ll see the carnage!

(cba some breath of lifes and shjt

)

Samadhi · July 2015

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Game will be elder nightblades online, was fun when it lasted guys.

Go to Cyrodiil with all three alliances pop locked.
Run from Keep to Keep using Shadow Cloak the whole way to remain unseen.
Be unable to find any enemies.
Cyrodiil echos with the sound effect of Cloak everywhere, but no one can see anyone else.

OdinForge · July 2015

Everyone just got rekt

Germtrocity · July 2015

Can we just revert to 1.5 and call it a day? It is obvious they don't really have a grasp on what they are doing.

Glory · July 2015

As always, people are overreacting.

I am super excited for these changes, as player skill will be far more important than stacking one resource and having a perma-something (block/shield, roll) ability.

I main a sorc and have refused to play them because they are currently too easy to play. I will be returning because all of the FOTM will be leaving due to balancing that makes it so you can't press the "I win" button without any skill.

I find it hilarious that everyone complains about things (should I link the nerf dodge roll, nerf sorc, nerf block, nerf nirn, nerf anything threads) and then once their particular class/strategy that is currently overpowered gets BALANCED they say the game is falling apart.

I'm pretty sure all these complaints fall into the L2P category. They literally addressed nearly EVERY complaint we've had since 1.6 (they even made Proxy scale off people hit!!) started and now people are sad because the meta will no longer be "I play fotm and take no damage while killing people."

EDIT: I do think that cloak may become too powerful in this next update and may need a change similar to the BE balancing.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

As always, people are overreacting.

I am super excited for these changes, as player skill will be far more important than stacking one resource and having a perma-something (block/shield, roll) ability.

I main a sorc and have refused to play them because they are currently too easy to play. I will be returning because all of the FOTM will be leaving due to balancing that makes it so you can't press the "I win" button without any skill.

I find it hilarious that everyone complains about things (should I link the nerf dodge roll, nerf sorc, nerf block, nerf nirn, nerf anything threads) and then once their particular class/strategy that is currently overpowered gets BALANCED they say the game is falling apart.

I'm pretty sure all these complaints fall into the L2P category. They literally addressed nearly EVERY complaint we've had since 1.6 (they even made Proxy scale off people hit!!) started and now people are sad because the meta will no longer be "I play fotm and take no damage while killing people."

I agree. People who use these cheesy almost exploits to beat others are crying rivers of tears.

Joy_Division · July 2015

I don't mind the changes that make us actually think about using the defensive abilities as opposed to spam them. And Duke is right, we have ask for these.

Though I am curious why the NB annoying escape ability has not received the same "don't spam" treatment as the other annoying class abilities/playstyles have.

Phoenix99 · July 2015

Well IF it is true that detect potions will not work vs cloak, then fighting NBs will be a new level of "frustrating"

Bashev · July 2015

Don't you think that all these changes will encourage zerging even more?

Akinos · July 2015

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

As always, people are overreacting.

I am super excited for these changes, as player skill will be far more important than stacking one resource and having a perma-something (block/shield, roll) ability.

I main a sorc and have refused to play them because they are currently too easy to play. I will be returning because all of the FOTM will be leaving due to balancing that makes it so you can't press the "I win" button without any skill.

I find it hilarious that everyone complains about things (should I link the nerf dodge roll, nerf sorc, nerf block, nerf nirn, nerf anything threads) and then once their particular class/strategy that is currently overpowered gets BALANCED they say the game is falling apart.

I'm pretty sure all these complaints fall into the L2P category. They literally addressed nearly EVERY complaint we've had since 1.6 (they even made Proxy scale off people hit!!) started and now people are sad because the meta will no longer be "I play fotm and take no damage while killing people."

Agreed man, and as always the truely good players will find ways to adapt, and everybody else will either reroll when somebody discovers something broken on the new FOTM class or they'll just quit but still lurk around the forums talking about pre 1.6 and how things used to be.

Juraigr · July 2015

Germtrocity wrote: »

Can we just revert to 1.5 and call it a day? It is obvious they don't really have a grasp on what they are doing.

Best thing in this post
That's enough eso forum banter this game is rip gl lol

Rune_Relic · July 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Overall, I'm very happy with what we've heard so far, as they seem to be fixing many of the broken things in this game across the board.

It seems to me that people are tunnelvisioning on their own playstyle and how these changes affect it, without seeing the big picture.

No instagibbing (damage taken reduced)
No permablocking
No infinite roll dodge
Damage shields 5% weaker(?) [Damage taken goes from -20% to -50%, meaning damaging abilities are 30% weaker than currently, while Shields/Heals go from -15% to -50%, meaning they're 35% weaker than currently]

Pardon me, but isn't this what people have been asking for?

Cloak should get the Bolt Escape treatment though.

AoE will break cloak....single target wont.
Carpet bomb an area and NB has no where to hide.

Sanct16 · July 2015

DDuke wrote: »

Overall, I'm very happy with what we've heard so far, as they seem to be fixing many of the broken things in this game across the board.

It seems to me that people are tunnelvisioning on their own playstyle and how these changes affect it, without seeing the big picture.

No instagibbing (damage taken reduced)
No permablocking
No infinite roll dodge
Damage shields 5% weaker(?) [Damage taken goes from -20% to -50%, meaning damaging abilities are 30% weaker than currently, while Shields/Heals go from -15% to -50%, meaning they're 35% weaker than currently]

Pardon me, but isn't this what people have been asking for?

So which defense does a DK have now?

But hey, it was never intended to smallscale anyway, lets all join the mindless zerg.

EatUrNumNumz · July 2015

Sypher wrote: »

The 50% increase to bolt escape will now stack indefinitely after every repeated streak.

Dodge Roll will have a 33% increase to cost after every dodge.

You no longer regen stamina while blocking.

Battle Spirit Buff: 50% Reduced Damage and 50% Reduced Healing 50% Reduced Shields (Increased from 20%)

Discuss.

Has this been 100% confirmed, as in you've spoken to devs at Zenimax? Or is this hypothetical speculation? In a way hope it is and hope it isn't in certain ways.

Raizin · July 2015

Bashev wrote: »

Don't you think that all these changes will encourage zerging even more?

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Bashev · July 2015

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

The 50% increase to bolt escape will now stack indefinitely after every repeated streak.

Dodge Roll will have a 33% increase to cost after every dodge.

You no longer regen stamina while blocking.

Battle Spirit Buff: 50% Reduced Damage and 50% Reduced Healing 50% Reduced Shields (Increased from 20%)

Discuss.

Has this been 100% confirmed, as in you've spoken to devs at Zenimax? Or is this hypothetical speculation? In a way hope it is and hope it isn't in certain ways.

So far this is what we will get in the PTS.

Glory · July 2015

Sanct16 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Overall, I'm very happy with what we've heard so far, as they seem to be fixing many of the broken things in this game across the board.

It seems to me that people are tunnelvisioning on their own playstyle and how these changes affect it, without seeing the big picture.

No instagibbing (damage taken reduced)
No permablocking
No infinite roll dodge
Damage shields 5% weaker(?) [Damage taken goes from -20% to -50%, meaning damaging abilities are 30% weaker than currently, while Shields/Heals go from -15% to -50%, meaning they're 35% weaker than currently]

Pardon me, but isn't this what people have been asking for?

So which defense does a DK have now?

But hey, it was never intended to smallscale anyway, lets all join the mindless zerg.

Block when you're taking damage (it's not like DK's need a ton of stam regen to keep up their stam)? Use the still extremely good flappy flappy? Mist form? GDB? Roll every 5 seconds instead of every .5 seconds?

EatUrNumNumz · July 2015

Bashev wrote: »

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

The 50% increase to bolt escape will now stack indefinitely after every repeated streak.

Dodge Roll will have a 33% increase to cost after every dodge.

You no longer regen stamina while blocking.

Battle Spirit Buff: 50% Reduced Damage and 50% Reduced Healing 50% Reduced Shields (Increased from 20%)

Discuss.

Has this been 100% confirmed, as in you've spoken to devs at Zenimax? Or is this hypothetical speculation? In a way hope it is and hope it isn't in certain ways.

So far this is what we will get in the PTS.

Are you saying this is already LIVE on the PTS? If so link patch notes if any please?

Raizin · July 2015

so if we now start making qq threads about ground oil, will we get it? Cuz i wld like that

Takes-No-Prisoner · July 2015

Any news about racial passive changes?

DDuke · July 2015

Sanct16 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Overall, I'm very happy with what we've heard so far, as they seem to be fixing many of the broken things in this game across the board.

It seems to me that people are tunnelvisioning on their own playstyle and how these changes affect it, without seeing the big picture.

No instagibbing (damage taken reduced)
No permablocking
No infinite roll dodge
Damage shields 5% weaker(?) [Damage taken goes from -20% to -50%, meaning damaging abilities are 30% weaker than currently, while Shields/Heals go from -15% to -50%, meaning they're 35% weaker than currently]

Pardon me, but isn't this what people have been asking for?

So which defense does a DK have now?

But hey, it was never intended to smallscale anyway, lets all join the mindless zerg.

You can still block, you just need to do something else as well.
Just like the people who spammed roll dodge forever, who will no longer be able to do so.

Keep in mind that damage is reduced by 50% after patch, meaning you don't just drop dead after dropping block for a second.

Erock25 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Overall, I'm very happy with what we've heard so far, as they seem to be fixing many of the broken things in this game across the board.

It seems to me that people are tunnelvisioning on their own playstyle and how these changes affect it, without seeing the big picture.

No instagibbing (damage taken reduced)
No permablocking
No infinite roll dodge
Damage shields 5% weaker(?) [Damage taken goes from -20% to -50%, meaning damaging abilities are 30% weaker than currently, while Shields/Heals go from -15% to -50%, meaning they're 35% weaker than currently]

Pardon me, but isn't this what people have been asking for?

Cloak should get the Bolt Escape treatment though.

Sure, and bolt escape should get a "Silence Ability" similar to NB Mark that makes it useless. Oh, and AoE should stop it from functioning.

Sarcasm aside, I would like to see stealth gameplay in this game revised in general. Much more depth needs to be added, and one way would be making stealth detection gradual.

E.g. cloak would grant you 90% stealth, meaning you'd still shimmer slightly on the screen (meaning you could catch those NBs if you have a sharp eye), and normal stealth detection wouldn't just suddenly reveal you, but gradually make you more & more visible (could start from further away than it currently does).

ThatHappyCat · July 2015

I love the amount of tunnel vision that's in this thread. People read "-50% shield strength" and scream "SORC NERF OMG" without reading "-50% to ALL damage" which pretty much balances it out.

Seriously, are whiners even trying anymore?