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Did you know - ESO+ members only RENT DLC and lose it when go non-ESO+?
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Divinius✭✭✭✭✭
✭Everyone I've seen seems to be assuming that we will be able to buy the DLC with Crowns. Has this actually been confirmed anywhere? Are we certain that the DLC won't be made solely available via the website, where you'd be forced to pay actual cash, and couldn't use Crowns?
If someone could provide a link to a source that definitively states that the DLC will indeed be purchasable with Crowns, I'd very much appreciate it.
They said it a long time ago it would be in crown store, but you know the way they have been in the last 8 months it wouldn't shock me if they do make it like expansions and put it up on the web site.
Thanks. I had never seen it explicitly stated anywhere. I'd still love to see a link to somewhere that they did say it, even though I agree with you that I wouldn't put it past them to change their minds, regardless of what they said in the past.
I'm actually pretty convinced that they are NOT going to make the DLC purchasable with Crowns, and I can't wait for the ****-storm that's going to ensue when they announce that, given how many people are currently assuming that they'll be able to spend their crowns to buy the DLC.
EDIT:
Nevermind, I found it:
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/tamrielunlimitedfaq
So yes, unless they change their minds, DLC will be purchasable with Crowns.How can I get downloadable content?
DLC will be available for purchase in the Crown Store on an a la carte basis. DLC purchased on an a la carte basis will be available to you for as long as The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited is available. Members of ESO Plus will receive complimentary access to all DLC game packs for the duration of their membership.
Do I lose all items and rewards earned from DLC if my ESO Plus membership ends?
No. You will lose access to the DLC areas and quests should your membership lapse (unless you purchase the DLC separately in the Crown Store), but you will keep all items and rewards earned through the content.
Edited by Divinius on July 2, 2015 7:03PM0 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
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Not a thread but the official page.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2015/01/21/your-guide-to-eso-plus-premium-membership?gclid=CPGexfWIvcYCFUcXHwodufYKfA
"While you’re a member, you’ll enjoy faster progression thanks to the helpful buffs to XP, gold, and crafting, and you’ll be able to access any DLC game pack that’s available. If your membership ends, you’ll still be able to play ESO (and keep any items and rewards you earned playing within DLC), but you won’t be able to access DLC game pack content that you haven’t purchased separately."
They have been very open about this.
You said there were tons and tons of threads about this...that isn't a thread. IMO, that is still unclear. If I'm ESO+, and DLC comes out, IMO, I HAVE paid for it.
That was my argument, I pay the sub and go through and finish the dlc it should be mine forever even if I unsub, I was attacked and warned over it.“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You'd think so, but probably the reason they don't let you keep it is because they suspect a lot of folks would subscribe the month DLC hit, only to then immediately unsubscribe.
So?
They'd get a huge upsurge in revenues for that month, a significant percentage of player would forget to cancel the recurring subscription, and then after a couple of months things would settle down to the "normal" levels.
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Psychobunni✭✭✭✭✭
✭Everyone I've seen seems to be assuming that we will be able to buy the DLC with Crowns. Has this actually been confirmed anywhere? Are we certain that the DLC won't be made solely available via the website, where you'd be forced to pay actual cash, and couldn't use Crowns?
If someone could provide a link to a source that definitively states that the DLC will indeed be purchasable with Crowns, I'd very much appreciate it.
They said it a long time ago it would be in crown store, but you know the way they have been in the last 8 months it wouldn't shock me if they do make it like expansions and put it up on the web site.
Thanks. I had never seen it explicitly stated anywhere. I'd still love to see a link to somewhere that they did say it, even though I agree with you that I wouldn't put it past them to change their minds, regardless of what they said in the past.
I'm actually pretty convinced that they are NOT going to make the DLC purchasable with Crowns, and I can't wait for the ****-storm that's going to ensue when they announce that, given how many people are currently assuming that they'll be able to spend their crowns to buy the DLC.
Well if that happens I will feel even better about having already unsubbed lol
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reften✭✭✭✭✭You said there were tons and tons of threads about this...that isn't a thread. IMO, that is still unclear. If I'm ESO+, and DLC comes out, IMO, I HAVE paid for it.
You'd think so, but probably the reason they don't let you keep it is because they suspect a lot of folks would subscribe the month DLC hit, only to then immediately unsubscribe.
right, I guess the point is, i'm paying my monthly $$$ for this game, and DLC comes out
Sure, here are a few where it's specifically discussed that the DLC access is only while subscribed:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166516/eso-worth-it-or-not
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147235/eso-plus-probably-not-worth-it
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/174835/eso-plus-dlc-question
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147370/an-issue-with-eso-plus-that-id-like-feedback-on
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159769/eso-plus-membership-and-dlc-my-pow
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157633/they-dont-really-want-us-on-eso-plus
There are plenty more, that was just the first few that a quick search showed up that actually talked about it. I know I've brought it up personally in many different threads about ESO Plus.
Wonderful, a bunch of threads of ESO+, I did see one specifically talka bout this issue. *eyeroll to you.
Sorry I missed that ONE thread out of hundreds that talk about ESO+.
I'll re-it - Saying "...but you won’t be able to access DLC game pack content that you haven’t purchased separately." and "•Access to all of ESO’s downloadable content (or DLC) game packs for the duration of your membership" does NOT make it clear that DLC I have download while I was ESO+ will be stripped away if in the future I drop my ESO+ membership.
I HAVE paid for it.Reften
Bosmer (Wood Elf)
Moonlight Crew (RIP), Misfitz (RIP), Victorem Guild
VR16 NB, Stam build, Max all crafts.
Azuras & Trueflame. Mostly PvP, No alts.
Semi-retired till the lag is fixed.
Love the Packers, Bourbon, and ESO...one of those will eventually kill me.1 -
UTG_Zilla✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »You'd think so, but probably the reason they don't let you keep it is because they suspect a lot of folks would subscribe the month DLC hit, only to then immediately unsubscribe.
So?
They'd get a huge upsurge in revenues for that month, a significant percentage of player would forget to cancel the recurring subscription, and then after a couple of months things would settle down to the "normal" levels.
All The Best
A large surge in subscribers one month then 90% less subscribed next month makes the game look like its a complete waste of time to everyone else who doesn't know the people are subbing for dlc.
500k subscribers in June
100k subscribers in July
That makes this game look like its terrible where that is not the case. The best businesses have a steady income. Not drastic up and downs certain months.0 -
coryevans_3b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭So I just figured this out today, and it's not sitting well with me, and based on responses to another thread, this is not common knowledge...or maybe it is and I just don't read notes close enough. Anyway here goes.
Did you know that, if you're an ESO+ members, and DLC comes out, you get the DLC for free, but if you ever cancel your ESO+ members, you LOSE the DLC and have to buy it?
Cause I didn't, and this could impact my decisions moving forward.
If they didn't do it that way, anyone could just sub for a month and get every piece of DLC for free in perpetuity.
This ^^
People wanted the game to go b2p. This is what happens when games are b2p. The company needs to make money outside of the sub revenue stream.1 -
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✭YESGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭I had no idea so thank you, but, in my case, I don't really suppose it matters much. I got it 'cause that's what was expected.
I just know I'll set aside ESO for months and then come back and have thousands of crowns in my account that I'd completely forgotten about.
Kind of like a NetFlix subscription to me. I have it, but I don't pay much attention to it unless I want to watch a movie (which is rare).
I don't suppose I'm getting my money's worth, but, hey, at least I can afford it.0 -
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✭Simply continue to pay your monthly $15 sub fee and never have to worry about access to DLC, and get 1,500 crowns per month to boot. It's that easy.1 -
reften✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »You'd think so, but probably the reason they don't let you keep it is because they suspect a lot of folks would subscribe the month DLC hit, only to then immediately unsubscribe.
So?
They'd get a huge upsurge in revenues for that month, a significant percentage of player would forget to cancel the recurring subscription, and then after a couple of months things would settle down to the "normal" levels.
All The Best
A large surge in subscribers one month then 90% less subscribed next month makes the game look like its a complete waste of time to everyone else who doesn't know the people are subbing for dlc.
500k subscribers in June
100k subscribers in July
That makes this game look like its terrible where that is not the case. The best businesses have a steady income. Not drastic up and downs certain months.
Not arguing what's best for the company, arguing that there was poor communication on this.
Basically, 3/4 of the game will be f2p, and 1/4 will be b2p. That's all they had to say. Stating ESO+ members get it included is misleading.
they should have said "ESO+ members have access to DLC content. Dropping your ESO+ membership removes your access to all DLC." The way it's written now is that if you drop your ESO+, you will not have access to FUTURE DLC. Not PAST and FUTURE.Edited by reften on July 2, 2015 7:08PMReften
Bosmer (Wood Elf)
Moonlight Crew (RIP), Misfitz (RIP), Victorem Guild
VR16 NB, Stam build, Max all crafts.
Azuras & Trueflame. Mostly PvP, No alts.
Semi-retired till the lag is fixed.
Love the Packers, Bourbon, and ESO...one of those will eventually kill me.0 -
Korozenn✭✭✭✭So I just figured this out today, and it's not sitting well with me, and based on responses to another thread, this is not common knowledge...or maybe it is and I just don't read notes close enough. Anyway here goes.
Did you know that, if you're an ESO+ members, and DLC comes out, you get the DLC for free, but if you ever cancel your ESO+ members, you LOSE the DLC and have to buy it?
Cause I didn't, and this could impact my decisions moving forward.
I actually just made a thread regarding the issue: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/190040/recommendation-to-zos-season-passes-dlc-and-crown-store-improvements#latest
I think it shouldn't be something we rent. The reason we sub is for the DLC; I don't personally care for the Crowns or XP bonus: XP has never been an issue for me, Crowns are something I could just purchase separately when I want to buy a new mount (the only thing I use Crowns for atm). We're used to receiving discounts with premium services, but it seems the opposite in this case to not be given at least some form of a discount on all Crown Store goods, including DLC.
I know it's still a relatively new system ZeniMax had implemented into the game, but I'm hoping that ESO Plus gets improvements made to it to make it something I'd rather setup for renewal than just to have it end in December and likely not sub back to again without a reason to do so.
Edited by Korozenn on July 2, 2015 7:08PM0 -
ChingChangChui✭✭✭Yes. I did know this and that's why I don't have an ESO plus membership. It doesn't seem worth it, to me. Especially where there's no stupid money caps, or other restrictions keeping you from experiencing the game as it was meant to be played... Yes, I'm looking at you, DCUO.As I always say: When it comes to forums, post or your toast.0 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Simply continue to pay your monthly $15 sub fee and never have to worry about access to DLC, and get 1,500 crowns per month to boot. It's that easy.
Yep that is how I thought for a long time, no matter what online game I play I always sub to support the game am playing. But after all these months with no real effort from them to fix bugs, it hit me there just isn't any reason to support them when they clearly are not supporting us!“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Divinius✭✭✭✭✭
✭I HAVE paid for it.
No, you haven't. You paid for ESO+, which includes temporary access to the DLC. If you want permanent access, you need to buy it. End of story.
I completely agree that they might not have done a great job making this super clear, so I understand your confusion. But regardless of that, this self-entitlement that you seem to have that "this shouldn't be the way it is" is silly. It is the way it is, and for a very good reason that others have already pointed out several times. You are going to just need to accept that.
And in case you missed it above, here's a link to the full TU FAQ that answers all of these questions:
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/tamrielunlimitedfaq0 -
reften✭✭✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Simply continue to pay your monthly $15 sub fee and never have to worry about access to DLC, and get 1,500 crowns per month to boot. It's that easy.
No doubt, but my plan was to at least stay sub'd until the first DLC. then after drop my subscription if I wasn't happy with the new DLC knowing that the game was a lost cause...but could at least still play it.
Now, what the hell am I waiting for to drop my subscription? there is no reason, i'll just buy the DLC when it comes out.Reften
Bosmer (Wood Elf)
Moonlight Crew (RIP), Misfitz (RIP), Victorem Guild
VR16 NB, Stam build, Max all crafts.
Azuras & Trueflame. Mostly PvP, No alts.
Semi-retired till the lag is fixed.
Love the Packers, Bourbon, and ESO...one of those will eventually kill me.0 -
Dagoth_Rac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I HAVE paid for it.
No you have most certainly have not paid for the DLC. You have paid for 1,500 crowns and some XP/AP/Gold boosts. Want to spend those crowns on DLC? Go for it. Want to spend it on XP boosters or ice horses or wedding dresses? Go for it. Want to not spend crowns at all and just keep subscribing to ESO+? Go for it. Saying that a subscription to ESO+ pays for total ownership of DLC is like saying a subscription to Apple Music should give you total ownership of every song you stream that month. No. That is not how subscriptions work.1 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Simply continue to pay your monthly $15 sub fee and never have to worry about access to DLC, and get 1,500 crowns per month to boot. It's that easy.
No doubt, but my plan was to at least stay sub'd until the first DLC. then after drop my subscription if I wasn't happy with the new DLC knowing that the game was a lost cause...but could at least still play it.
Now, what the hell am I waiting for to drop my subscription? there is no reason, i'll just buy the DLC when it comes out.
Yet we have no idea how much that DLC will cost us and how long it will take to complete it. So much up in the air because they don't explain nothing to us.“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »You'd think so, but probably the reason they don't let you keep it is because they suspect a lot of folks would subscribe the month DLC hit, only to then immediately unsubscribe.
So?
They'd get a huge upsurge in revenues for that month, a significant percentage of player would forget to cancel the recurring subscription, and then after a couple of months things would settle down to the "normal" levels.
All The Best
A large surge in subscribers one month then 90% less subscribed next month makes the game look like its a complete waste of time to everyone else who doesn't know the people are subbing for dlc.
500k subscribers in June
100k subscribers in July
That makes this game look like its terrible where that is not the case. The best businesses have a steady income. Not drastic up and downs certain months.
Not arguing what's best for the company, arguing that there was poor communication on this.
Basically, 3/4 of the game will be f2p, and 1/4 will be b2p. That's all they had to say. Stating ESO+ members get it included is misleading.
they should have said "ESO+ members have access to DLC content. Dropping your ESO+ membership removes your access to all DLC." The way it's written now is that if you drop your ESO+, you will not have access to FUTURE DLC. Not PAST and FUTURE.
ESO is not f2p. f2p means the client is downloadable for free. ESO's client software is not free. So ESO is not f2p nor even 3/4 f2p.
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reften✭✭✭✭✭Or one last way to put it.
ESO+ = The original game and access to DLC packs
Non-ESO+ = The original onlyDagoth_Rac wrote: »I HAVE paid for it.
No you have most certainly have not paid for the DLC. You have paid for 1,500 crowns and some XP/AP/Gold boosts. Want to spend those crowns on DLC? Go for it. Want to spend it on XP boosters or ice horses or wedding dresses? Go for it. Want to not spend crowns at all and just keep subscribing to ESO+? Go for it. Saying that a subscription to ESO+ pays for total ownership of DLC is like saying a subscription to Apple Music should give you total ownership of every song you stream that month. No. That is not how subscriptions work.
The way it's worded, make it sound as if, by paying a sub, you are buying the DLC.
Terrible analogy.wrlifeboil wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »You'd think so, but probably the reason they don't let you keep it is because they suspect a lot of folks would subscribe the month DLC hit, only to then immediately unsubscribe.
So?
They'd get a huge upsurge in revenues for that month, a significant percentage of player would forget to cancel the recurring subscription, and then after a couple of months things would settle down to the "normal" levels.
All The Best
A large surge in subscribers one month then 90% less subscribed next month makes the game look like its a complete waste of time to everyone else who doesn't know the people are subbing for dlc.
500k subscribers in June
100k subscribers in July
That makes this game look like its terrible where that is not the case. The best businesses have a steady income. Not drastic up and downs certain months.
Not arguing what's best for the company, arguing that there was poor communication on this.
Basically, 3/4 of the game will be f2p, and 1/4 will be b2p. That's all they had to say. Stating ESO+ members get it included is misleading.
they should have said "ESO+ members have access to DLC content. Dropping your ESO+ membership removes your access to all DLC." The way it's written now is that if you drop your ESO+, you will not have access to FUTURE DLC. Not PAST and FUTURE.
ESO is not f2p. f2p means the client is downloadable for free. ESO's client software is not free. So ESO is not f2p nor even 3/4 f2p.
Whatever, pick pick pick. f2p is an option for me and everyone else that's been playing the game for quite some time.Edited by reften on July 2, 2015 7:18PMReften
Bosmer (Wood Elf)
Moonlight Crew (RIP), Misfitz (RIP), Victorem Guild
VR16 NB, Stam build, Max all crafts.
Azuras & Trueflame. Mostly PvP, No alts.
Semi-retired till the lag is fixed.
Love the Packers, Bourbon, and ESO...one of those will eventually kill me.0 -
Endless-Shogun✭✭✭All MMO's charge for their quality content (actual large editions).
This is old news for 15 years in the industry.
Do the math.
(in the future)
Come back to play ESO after a lengthy break, say 3 years.
Theres 4 DLC out.
Pay 15 bucks, gain 1500 crowns (buy some of the new goodies).
Play all the DLCs.
stop playing, and stop paying, and quit ESO again when you are done with the DLC.
Or, pay the presumable $20-$25 (possibly more?) per DLC to own it.
4 DLCs, $100ish
3 months to casually, and slowly enjoy those 4 DLCs with ESO plus, $45.
And 4500 crowns. Nearly a $50 value in itself.- The Legion Empire -0 -
JMadFour✭✭✭✭✭Psychobunni wrote: »Yes. But so "many" wanted this game to be non-sub, so now you have it. Rent to play or buy it. Welcome to Tamriel Limited
Well to be fair, you were always renting. Thats what pro-sub-only people gloss over.
Its just that now you are only renting DLCs, rather than paying 60 bucks up front then 15 a month to rent the entire game.
As a ESO Plus member, I much prefer it the way it is now. I sub because I enjoy the game and I want to support the game further, not because my characters are being held hostage unless I pay the sub.
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Niastissa✭✭✭At first I was worried that this game was going to go B2W like all of those "free" mobile games.
Having found that at least for now is not the case I figure this works out well. Other MMO games charge the subscription and charge for the expansions. This one if you pay the subscription you get to play the new zones without additional cost. It is a lot like a Adobe CS Cloud or Microsoft MSDN subscription.
Personally though I would opt to buy the content rather then subscribe to it. That way the developers are forced to create more content for the game and can't slack off to get paid.0 -
MaximumAttackG✭✭✭you can also buy each dlc individually, I love it. not a choice alot of mmos offer.0 -
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No, it's not. You bought the box and now can play for free. This is B2P by definition. At no point was ESO ever F2P, not for new players, not for those of us who have been here since launch.
Whatever, pick pick pick. f2p is an option for me and everyone else that's been playing the game for quite some time.
Edited by Rosveen on July 2, 2015 7:25PM0 -
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Actually, it's a pretty perfect analogy.
The way it's worded, make it sound as if, by paying a sub, you are buying the DLC.Dagoth_Rac wrote: »Saying that a subscription to ESO+ pays for total ownership of DLC is like saying a subscription to Apple Music should give you total ownership of every song you stream that month. No. That is not how subscriptions work.
Terrible analogy.
As for how it's worded, from the ESO:TU FAQ:What are the benefits of ESO Plus membership?
ESO Plus offers members exclusive in-game bonuses, a reoccurring allotment of crowns and access to all downloadable content (DLC) game packs for the duration of membership. Certain features, such as new areas and dungeons, will be released as DLC game packs, and players can either purchase them individually or have access to all DLC game packs by becoming an ESO Plus member.
1500 crowns for use in the in-game Crown Store at the start of each membership period (Players can use crowns to purchase cosmetic and convenience items such as pets, mounts, and costumes.)
Access to all downloadable content for the duration of membership
Exclusive character progression bonuses for the duration of membership
10% bonus to experience point gain
10% bonus to crafting research
10% bonus to crafting inspiration gain
10% bonus to gold acquisition
And if that's not clear enough, down at the bottom of the FAQ:
That's pretty explicitly stated, though I will admit that it's at the very bottom of the FAQ.Do I lose all items and rewards earned from DLC if my ESO Plus membership ends?
No. You will lose access to the DLC areas and quests should your membership lapse (unless you purchase the DLC separately in the Crown Store), but you will keep all items and rewards earned through the content.1 -
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