3000cr for a mount - is this reasonable?

Lionxoft · July 2015

No

daemonios wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Mounts are just pixels. Other things in the shop are also just fluff or things you can get in the game. The community "asked" for a shop? We got it! I couldn't care less how much ZOS think they can milk players for with this stuff. I disagree with the cash shop and the B2P/F2P models, I keep my sub current, I haven't spent a single crown (might buy DLC packs eventually, if I ever decide to unsub).

That said, the minute I feel I need to buy something in order to play the game effectively, I'll bid farewell to Tamriel.

We didn't ask for a shop. The game hadn't even released when the news about a shop was muttered.

Also your comment about it being fluff is incorrect from a certain point of view. There are items in there that affect your power progression through end game and beyond max level. Yes, I know they are obtainable in-game but it sets a bad precedent. If they are easy to get in-game then why sell them on the store? Do they nerf drop rates or locations to promote crown store sales similar to what they did to motifs? It will change just like their business model changed. They will switch their commitments that were made to the players just like they already have.

If it's not already obvious but Bethesda/Zenimax Media Inc. don't care about their IP anymore. They simply just want to cash in on it before it has a chance to burn it's fuse away so they are releasing all these different titles. Take a look at "ElderHearthstone Scrolls". Oops! I meant to say "Elder Scrolls Legends". It screams "I want to be Hearthstone! SO BAD!". Hopefully the gameplay and metatype will be a different experience otherwise that will get a severely negative response as a knock off.

First comes the RPG then comes the MMO. Later comes the TCG and then we will have a picture matching game on mobile. Why just cash in on fantastic single player RPG titles when they can throw in garbage between releases and people still sheepishly eat it up?

Slippery slope. Similar to my comment lol.

You're preaching to the choir. I never wanted and strongly opposed the crown store. But it's too late now. I agree with you regarding the slippery slope, but I don't think we've reached the point where you can say ESO is P2W. Yet.

I hear you. Personally for me though whenever I log in I'm reminded of the fishing RNG required to make the boosters and then I log off after the temptation to just buy them. It's not worth it and I won't participate in the downfall of another MMO that goes p2w. Even the f2p games I play don't do that.

technohic · July 2015

Yes

I believe in capitalism. If someone is willing to pay it, then it is reasonable. It is also reasonable that if you do not like the price, you do not buy it. You do not really "have to have it" even though the keeping up with the Jones might compel you to think so.

UrQuan · July 2015

Yes

It's a mount that should be rare, and it's priced accordingly. It's at a price point where only people who really really like it, or people with money to burn are going to get it. Is that a good thing? It depends on your marketing strategy. Realistically, for something like the Crown Store you want some mounts priced low where everyone and their dog can afford them, and you want a couple of tiers of more expensive ones where collectors and people who just really like those specific mounts will get them, but they're not intended for mass-market appeal. So this mount falls into the latter category.

For me personally, I'd say it's priced slightly high for that category - I think 2500 crowns is probably the sweet spot for the "luxury item" mounts. But that's based on my own preferences, and not any kind of analysis. ZOS has probably looked at how well the 2500 crown mounts sold, and is testing the waters to see if 3000 crown mounts will have a similar market.

GreySix · July 2015

Yes

Anything is worth only what folks are willing to pay for it.

If the mounts sell, then they were worth it.

yennej487 · July 2015

I think they price them so high so that not everybody and their mom can buy it otherwise it wouldn't be unique anymore.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

Yes

I wish people would look up what pay to win means before using it to describe literally anything they sell in the store.

seratin · July 2015

No

Got an email saying now for a limited time only. Turns out just to be this stupid mount.

Three things bug me about this. First the email was total click bait, I was expecting a dlc or something. Second 3k for a mount? I could go buy a whole new mmo for that price. Finally limited time only really? I buy fruit that lasts longer then this, didn't realize code went bad after a while.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

Yes

seratin wrote: »

Got an email saying now for a limited time only. Turns out just to be this stupid mount.

Three things bug me about this. First the email was total click bait, I was expecting a dlc or something. Second 3k for a mount? I could go buy a whole new mmo for that price. Finally limited time only really? I buy fruit that lasts longer then this, didn't realize code went bad after a while.

What MMO costs only $30? Also alot of people buy these with free crowns from the ESO+ membership.

Snowgoons · July 2015

No

daemonios wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Mounts are just pixels. Other things in the shop are also just fluff or things you can get in the game. The community "asked" for a shop? We got it! I couldn't care less how much ZOS think they can milk players for with this stuff. I disagree with the cash shop and the B2P/F2P models, I keep my sub current, I haven't spent a single crown (might buy DLC packs eventually, if I ever decide to unsub).

That said, the minute I feel I need to buy something in order to play the game effectively, I'll bid farewell to Tamriel.

We didn't ask for a shop. The game hadn't even released when the news about a shop was muttered.

Also your comment about it being fluff is incorrect from a certain point of view. There are items in there that affect your power progression through end game and beyond max level. Yes, I know they are obtainable in-game but it sets a bad precedent. If they are easy to get in-game then why sell them on the store? Do they nerf drop rates or locations to promote crown store sales similar to what they did to motifs? It will change just like their business model changed. They will switch their commitments that were made to the players just like they already have.

If it's not already obvious but Bethesda/Zenimax Media Inc. don't care about their IP anymore. They simply just want to cash in on it before it has a chance to burn it's fuse away so they are releasing all these different titles. Take a look at "ElderHearthstone Scrolls". Oops! I meant to say "Elder Scrolls Legends". It screams "I want to be Hearthstone! SO BAD!". Hopefully the gameplay and metatype will be a different experience otherwise that will get a severely negative response as a knock off.

First comes the RPG then comes the MMO. Later comes the TCG and then we will have a picture matching game on mobile. Why just cash in on fantastic single player RPG titles when they can throw in garbage between releases and people still sheepishly eat it up?

Slippery slope. Similar to my comment lol.

You're preaching to the choir. I never wanted and strongly opposed the crown store. But it's too late now. I agree with you regarding the slippery slope, but I don't think we've reached the point where you can say ESO is P2W. Yet.

UrQuan wrote: »

It's a mount that should be rare, and it's priced accordingly. It's at a price point where only people who really really like it, or people with money to burn are going to get it. Is that a good thing? It depends on your marketing strategy. Realistically, for something like the Crown Store you want some mounts priced low where everyone and their dog can afford them, and you want a couple of tiers of more expensive ones where collectors and people who just really like those specific mounts will get them, but they're not intended for mass-market appeal. So this mount falls into the latter category.

For me personally, I'd say it's priced slightly high for that category - I think 2500 crowns is probably the sweet spot for the "luxury item" mounts. But that's based on my own preferences, and not any kind of analysis. ZOS has probably looked at how well the 2500 crown mounts sold, and is testing the waters to see if 3000 crown mounts will have a similar market.

I couldn't even keep reading lol. They forged it with the cold ice steel blade of sub zero so it's supposed to be rare guys!

DaveMoeDee · July 2015

Yes

Rosveen wrote: »

3000 crowns is half the price of a new AAA game. If you really like the horse, go ahead and buy it, but I would never pay more than $10 for cosmetics.

I have a hard time spending $1 for cosmetics.

seratin · July 2015

No

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

What MMO costs only $30? Also alot of people buy these with free crowns from the ESO+ membership.

I picked up guild wars 2 and the secret world both for 30 dollars some time ago, sales happen especially on steam from time to time. Sure if you subbed you could theoretically spend you points on this, but seems like a gross misuse of points.

Snowgoons · July 2015

No

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

seratin wrote: »

Got an email saying now for a limited time only. Turns out just to be this stupid mount.

Three things bug me about this. First the email was total click bait, I was expecting a dlc or something. Second 3k for a mount? I could go buy a whole new mmo for that price. Finally limited time only really? I buy fruit that lasts longer then this, didn't realize code went bad after a while.

What MMO costs only $30? Also alot of people buy these with free crowns from the ESO+ membership.

Everyone like you should take note of this:

wait for it...

Those crowns aren't free

biovitalb16_ESO · July 2015

No

Snowgoons wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

seratin wrote: »

Got an email saying now for a limited time only. Turns out just to be this stupid mount.

Three things bug me about this. First the email was total click bait, I was expecting a dlc or something. Second 3k for a mount? I could go buy a whole new mmo for that price. Finally limited time only really? I buy fruit that lasts longer then this, didn't realize code went bad after a while.

What MMO costs only $30? Also alot of people buy these with free crowns from the ESO+ membership.

Everyone like you should take note of this:

wait for it...

Those crowns aren't free

His post just brings up another thing that's absolutely poor about this game. $17.99 CAD a month for 1500 crowns and 10%xp...possibly the WORST sub incentive program I have ever seen in this game.

GreySix · July 2015

Yes

Snowgoons wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

seratin wrote: »

Got an email saying now for a limited time only. Turns out just to be this stupid mount.

Three things bug me about this. First the email was total click bait, I was expecting a dlc or something. Second 3k for a mount? I could go buy a whole new mmo for that price. Finally limited time only really? I buy fruit that lasts longer then this, didn't realize code went bad after a while.

What MMO costs only $30? Also alot of people buy these with free crowns from the ESO+ membership.

Everyone like you should take note of this:

wait for it...

Those crowns aren't free

Yeah, didn't want to stop him. He was on a roll.

J2JMC · July 2015

No

Accidentally voted no. I hang my head in shame.

Anyway, if you never intend on buying it, and it has no effect outside of an aesthetic one on the game, why do you care?

Honestly the DLC prices, and the corresponding threads, are going to be the interesting ones.

DCUO sold it's most recent for 15 USD, SWTOR sold there's for 20 USD, and last I checked WoW i selling the standard edition of their most DLC for 30 USD(it was originally 50).

Eager to see how zenimax will price it just high enough to not *** off subs or people who bought mounts, while simultaneously pricing it low enough to ensure guys like me who don't sub or use the crown store will buy it.

I think the above is impossible so the pricing model will probably be geared towards whichever group gives them the best profits. Means I'm probably going to get mad and ragequit when I see the dlc price lol.

UrQuan · July 2015

Yes

Snowgoons wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Mounts are just pixels. Other things in the shop are also just fluff or things you can get in the game. The community "asked" for a shop? We got it! I couldn't care less how much ZOS think they can milk players for with this stuff. I disagree with the cash shop and the B2P/F2P models, I keep my sub current, I haven't spent a single crown (might buy DLC packs eventually, if I ever decide to unsub).

That said, the minute I feel I need to buy something in order to play the game effectively, I'll bid farewell to Tamriel.

We didn't ask for a shop. The game hadn't even released when the news about a shop was muttered.

Also your comment about it being fluff is incorrect from a certain point of view. There are items in there that affect your power progression through end game and beyond max level. Yes, I know they are obtainable in-game but it sets a bad precedent. If they are easy to get in-game then why sell them on the store? Do they nerf drop rates or locations to promote crown store sales similar to what they did to motifs? It will change just like their business model changed. They will switch their commitments that were made to the players just like they already have.

If it's not already obvious but Bethesda/Zenimax Media Inc. don't care about their IP anymore. They simply just want to cash in on it before it has a chance to burn it's fuse away so they are releasing all these different titles. Take a look at "ElderHearthstone Scrolls". Oops! I meant to say "Elder Scrolls Legends". It screams "I want to be Hearthstone! SO BAD!". Hopefully the gameplay and metatype will be a different experience otherwise that will get a severely negative response as a knock off.

First comes the RPG then comes the MMO. Later comes the TCG and then we will have a picture matching game on mobile. Why just cash in on fantastic single player RPG titles when they can throw in garbage between releases and people still sheepishly eat it up?

Slippery slope. Similar to my comment lol.

You're preaching to the choir. I never wanted and strongly opposed the crown store. But it's too late now. I agree with you regarding the slippery slope, but I don't think we've reached the point where you can say ESO is P2W. Yet.

UrQuan wrote: »

It's a mount that should be rare, and it's priced accordingly. It's at a price point where only people who really really like it, or people with money to burn are going to get it. Is that a good thing? It depends on your marketing strategy. Realistically, for something like the Crown Store you want some mounts priced low where everyone and their dog can afford them, and you want a couple of tiers of more expensive ones where collectors and people who just really like those specific mounts will get them, but they're not intended for mass-market appeal. So this mount falls into the latter category.

For me personally, I'd say it's priced slightly high for that category - I think 2500 crowns is probably the sweet spot for the "luxury item" mounts. But that's based on my own preferences, and not any kind of analysis. ZOS has probably looked at how well the 2500 crown mounts sold, and is testing the waters to see if 3000 crown mounts will have a similar market.

I couldn't even keep reading lol. They forged it with the cold ice steel blade of sub zero so it's supposed to be rare guys!

So because you stopped reading you totally didn't understand at all what I meant by that... Nice job. Here's a hint: if you're looking at the price of mounts and saying "why would I spend that much on a mount when I can buy a cheaper one" you're not the target market. The limited time exclusive mounts are meant to only appeal to one portion of the market.

That's why they make them look noticeably different from the common ones that you would see all the time in Tamriel, and that's why they're priced higher. Adding another cheap mount doesn't help ZOS make any money, because it doesn't increase overall sales (or at best it only barely increases overall sales). People who just want a cheap mount are going to pick one from amongst the ones available. they're not going to buy a new one when it comes out.

People who care about the aesthetics and are willing to pay more for a mount that looks unique are a smaller portion of the market, and that's who these mounts are aimed at. That's why it's intended to be rare: because it's targeting a smaller portion of the market. These are the people who will buy a new mount that comes out even though they already have one.

drogon1 · July 2015

Yes

It's a rare mount. It's a vanity item. It's for the rich.

If you're complaining about the price, it's probably not an item for you to have.

But keeping the price up - keeping the vanity item exclusive - will keep the rich interested in it.

And I'm all for the rich paying more to develop the game that I'm loving and playing, especially if it only means they are driving a fancier car than me.

Arvak · July 2015

No

I don't see why this one is more than the other "special" mounts they had at 2500 crowns. But, whatever. （’へ’）

Katsibrokos · July 2015

No

100% re tarded price. I would gladly spend 3000 crowns for 3 or at least 2 mounts, but not just for 1. So no ty...

Lionxoft · July 2015

No

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

seratin wrote: »

Got an email saying now for a limited time only. Turns out just to be this stupid mount.

Three things bug me about this. First the email was total click bait, I was expecting a dlc or something. Second 3k for a mount? I could go buy a whole new mmo for that price. Finally limited time only really? I buy fruit that lasts longer then this, didn't realize code went bad after a while.

What MMO costs only $30? Also alot of people buy these with free crowns from the ESO+ membership.

A Steam ESO key is priced at around $30-$36 on G2A currently. That seems like it's high price point too as I've seen it drop below $4 in the past. I'm sure there are other sales too out there.

MissBizz · July 2015

Yes

Oh, I totally think this is super steep (I'm one of those that CAD is my currency.. so yeah), but.. I bought it. I'm hopping on the boat with others saying "it's reasonable if people are willing to buy it". Oh, and yeah.. I bought it.

Njag · July 2015

No

Rosveen wrote: »

3000 crowns is half the price of a new AAA game. If you really like the horse, go ahead and buy it, but I would never pay more than $10 for cosmetics.

This person says it perfectly...half the price of a new AAA game.
I'm not going to spend that much on a cosmetic item when it can easily go towards an upcoming game.
ZOS is straight up spitting in our face & rubbing it in.
Next thing you know they'll be wanting us to pay $60(+) for DLC

jircris11 · July 2015

Yes

MorHawk wrote: »

At least in CAD, this comes out to anywhere between $39.96 and $27.27, depending on what size crown pack is bought. I know the vote that matters is the one people will make with their wallets, but just curious to get a sense of what the userbase thinks.

Honestly i see no issue with it, look at WoW for example 25 USD for a mount, 15 for a pet. I have seen a few other mmos where it was 40-50 for a mount. Or lets use swtor for example. All the cool mounts are in a cartel pack. those go for 200 CC per pack that's around 2-3 bucks per pack. Not bad at first but then you find out its all RNG based so you may have to buy 1-50 packs to get the mount you want OR pay 4-9mill on the trade market. (and yes that is a nice sum of money for a mount. The crown store is there for convenience not to offer a cheap and simple way to avoid certain things. Though i can easily understand some of the posters here and they do have valid reasons as to why it is to much, i am simply speaking from what i have gathers from the many mmos i have played in the past.

Edit: Also take in to consideration it is account wide, thus meaning that you only need to buy it once.

technohic · July 2015

Yes

Njag wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

3000 crowns is half the price of a new AAA game. If you really like the horse, go ahead and buy it, but I would never pay more than $10 for cosmetics.

This person says it perfectly...half the price of a new AAA game.
I'm not going to spend that much on a cosmetic item when it can easily go towards an upcoming game.
ZOS is straight up spitting in our face & rubbing it in.
Next thing you know they'll be wanting us to pay $60(+) for DLC

See; I wouldn't be surprised if it was $60 for DLC. Subs get it with their sub fee so that $60 would be for those of us who do not sub. I'd find it a little steep but there is the sub option to just rent it while its useful. Just would have to ask yourself if you would be playing it for 4 months or not.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · July 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

I'm glad they are keeping CS prices on the high side because this prioritizes in-game systems over RL currency microtransactions.

Wait... What? There hasn't been an update in near 4 months but we did get a ton of Crown Store updates.

Your comment makes no sense and it's not based on reality.

How did it not make sense? Anyways, I didn't say anything about updates, Crown Store or otherwise. By in-game systems, I meant that, thanks to the high pricing of things in the Crown Store (e.g. motifs, exotic mounts, xp pots, etc), the average player's first recourse for obtaining an item/mount would likely be to take advantage of in-game ways to obtain it, either from grinding or trading. This maintains a healthy player-based economy rather than gameplay that revolves around microtransactions, where players make strategic choices about what they want to buy with in-game gold and investment of time instead of using real-life money to buy everything from the Crown Store. In reference to the OP, my stance is (a) I don't care about the price because it is extremely unlikely I would ever spend RL money on the Crown Store and OP left out this option in the poll, and (b) the price of this mount and other Crown Store items being on the high side is an overall good thing for the game.

Twizelbang · July 2015

Looks good, but i don't have any armor to match... The price is fine. Doh, not sure if i should get it.

Defilted · July 2015

Yes

I sub ESO plus I get 1500 crowns a month already so this is not an issue for me . I do like it when there is some exclusive stuff that most people will not own or spend the time to get.

Banky71 · July 2015

No

Defilted wrote: »

I sub ESO plus I get 1500 crowns a month already so this is not an issue for me . I do like it when there is some exclusive stuff that most people will not own or spend the time to get.

I can totally see this. I do plan on subscribing but just not until there is some DLC I would like.

RedTalon · July 2015

Yes

Sure why not like demonic looking horses better so the nightmare was my choice, and the upcoming bear one maybe.

But if people don't like the price and it doesnt sell well at that crown level it will be adjusted

F7sus4 · July 2015

Yes

Yes, because the horse is ugly as duck and people should be dragged away from buying it.