3000cr for a mount - is this reasonable?

Acrolas

ZeniMax is still trying to flush out a lot of the free crowns people received as the game transitioned to B2P.

For free crowns, absolutely. My Senche was purchased with free crowns so I don't care about the dollar equivalent.

The "limited" part of the equation is to give long-term players something more scarce to spend their free currency on. I don't think ZeniMax really expects people to crack out their wallets for the Crown Store until the first game pack. Sure, a lot of players are saving their crowns for game packs, but you'll definitely have players who would rather pay for content later and customize their character now.

daemonios

Yes

Acrolas wrote: »

ZeniMax is still trying to flush out a lot of the free crowns people received as the game transitioned to B2P.

I laugh at ZOS' obvious marketing ploys as I sit on my 13000 crowns

At the same time, I'm kind of hoping they take price gouging to the extreme so people will see that cash stores in games are NOT good for them. Actual content (DLC, expansions or however you want to call them) can be developed and sold separately. The rest is just fluff to get to the wallets of people with little restraint or much money. I can't think of a single example where microtransactions have made a game better.

shadowofzeb14_ESO

Yes

Went ahead and bought it, I don't think its unreasonably priced when you compare it to other MMOs with cash shops that almost all ask $20-$30 for their high end mounts, and I'm also not sure why they decide to go for a higher price for a limited time instead of a reasonable price and leave it on the store forever, it seems like they would make more money in the long run. 2000 crowns forever > 3000 crowns for 5 days (maybe once a year or something, not sure if this particular one will come back or just a slightly different version of this model). Maybe they need the burst of money or something?

Sithisvoid

Yes

If it were a unicorn that defecated rainbow cupcakes I would be all over that. 3000 crowns? Take my money

The_Sadist

No

I voted no, the mount is quite unsightly in my opinion, but even if I did like it I feel it's a bit expensive.

Lazrael

No

bountyspiter wrote: »

No.

I will buy the mount only because i'm a weirdo with collecting stuff.

But this doesnt mean i agree with the price. Its totaly overpriced for any casual player. And now people will say that its not intended for casual players but for players with golden pockets trying to make a visual difference ingame. Agreed, but even for them, doesnt it feel wrong to give 3k crowns for a mount in a game that is still in beta stage considering all the bugs and problems every aspect of the game presents daily?

Conclusion: zenimax should really be focusing in fixing the game, rather than extorting real money from their devoted players.
When the game transforms from "Elder bugs online: lag unlimited" to "Elder scrolls online: tamriel unlimited", then 3k crowns for a mount would be okey. cause people would enjoy the game anyway and would be inclined to give their money for it. Right now its just too much to give for a broken game.

Pretty much this. I'm getting it, but begrudgingly so. I think $25 for what is essentially just a re-texture and a couple particles is just ridiculous. Especially with how neglected PC folks have felt lately. Probably should have just given this to the PC guys and built up some good will. Guess we will see what ESO LIVE has to say.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

No

Lazrael wrote: »

Guess we will see what ESO LIVE has to say.

ESO Live has said that more news about new content is coming soon.

Honestly, that is what they said.

You really couldn't make this stuff up.

Wouldn't trust them to run my bath, much less a company.

All The Best

Tolmos

Yes

I can buy a car that gets me from point A to point B, with acceptable creature comforts (working AC, radio, etc) for ~$6,000. I can buy a car that does all of this, has more creature comforts (butt warmers, sunroof, etc) and better aesthetics for an upwards of $100,000+.

If you put something for sale, SOMEONE will buy. Unless I became a millionaire tomorrow, I would never humor the thought of a car that costs more than $40,000. And yet, other people will. Thus there is a market for expensive cars. Same for these mounts. I would never buy a 3000 crown mount, but others will and that's why it's out there. Like the cars, it will be a "status symbol" for those who buy it.

Lionxoft

No

daemonios wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

ZeniMax is still trying to flush out a lot of the free crowns people received as the game transitioned to B2P.

I laugh at ZOS' obvious marketing ploys as I sit on my 13000 crowns

At the same time, I'm kind of hoping they take price gouging to the extreme so people will see that cash stores in games are NOT good for them. Actual content (DLC, expansions or however you want to call them) can be developed and sold separately. The rest is just fluff to get to the wallets of people with little restraint or much money. I can't think of a single example where microtransactions have made a game better.

While you're laughing at their "obvious marketing ploys" as you sit on your 13000 crowns they are laughing at you because you spent money to have 13000 crowns.

Rosveen

No

I need a delete vote option. I answered if it's worth 3000 crowns for me, but I'm not the target audience. It may very well be a good price from Zenimax's perspective. I really don't have anything against it because it doesn't affect my gameplay in the slightesf.

daemonios

Yes

Lionxoft wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

ZeniMax is still trying to flush out a lot of the free crowns people received as the game transitioned to B2P.

I laugh at ZOS' obvious marketing ploys as I sit on my 13000 crowns

At the same time, I'm kind of hoping they take price gouging to the extreme so people will see that cash stores in games are NOT good for them. Actual content (DLC, expansions or however you want to call them) can be developed and sold separately. The rest is just fluff to get to the wallets of people with little restraint or much money. I can't think of a single example where microtransactions have made a game better.

While you're laughing at their "obvious marketing ploys" as you sit on your 13000 crowns they are laughing at you because you spent money to have 13000 crowns.

No, I spent money to pay for an ongoing service. I don't agree with free lunches or having others pay for my game. That is why I subscribe and will keep subscribing until I reach the point where I have no interest in the game. The crowns are a bonus.

Phinix1

No

Endless-Shogun wrote: »

Put a stop to "limited time offers".
Thats BS, take my money when I want to give it!

This more than anything is the reason my respect for Zenimax is at an all time low.

This "limited time everything" is a shameless, scumbag tactic and a cheap way to squeeze money out of people. It is marketing psychological abuse and Zenimax should be better than that.

If they had some actual content to offer they wouldn't have to resort to such sleazy tactics, but I think the marketing suits want to see how badly they can ruin the company's reputation before they justify investing in anything substantial.

I have never seen a more fickly bunch of toe testers than the suits at Zenimax Online.

Lionxoft

No

daemonios wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

ZeniMax is still trying to flush out a lot of the free crowns people received as the game transitioned to B2P.

I laugh at ZOS' obvious marketing ploys as I sit on my 13000 crowns

At the same time, I'm kind of hoping they take price gouging to the extreme so people will see that cash stores in games are NOT good for them. Actual content (DLC, expansions or however you want to call them) can be developed and sold separately. The rest is just fluff to get to the wallets of people with little restraint or much money. I can't think of a single example where microtransactions have made a game better.

While you're laughing at their "obvious marketing ploys" as you sit on your 13000 crowns they are laughing at you because you spent money to have 13000 crowns.

No, I spent money to pay for an ongoing service. I don't agree with free lunches or having others pay for my game. That is why I subscribe and will keep subscribing until I reach the point where I have no interest in the game. The crowns are a bonus.

I don't agree with charity to organizations that don't deserve it. Release some content and we can talk.

All you're doing is providing charity.

Astrids_fire

No

Not unless that Frost Mare can do something awesome like making slushies!
Sure looks cool though lol

daemonios

Yes

Lionxoft wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

ZeniMax is still trying to flush out a lot of the free crowns people received as the game transitioned to B2P.

I laugh at ZOS' obvious marketing ploys as I sit on my 13000 crowns

At the same time, I'm kind of hoping they take price gouging to the extreme so people will see that cash stores in games are NOT good for them. Actual content (DLC, expansions or however you want to call them) can be developed and sold separately. The rest is just fluff to get to the wallets of people with little restraint or much money. I can't think of a single example where microtransactions have made a game better.

While you're laughing at their "obvious marketing ploys" as you sit on your 13000 crowns they are laughing at you because you spent money to have 13000 crowns.

No, I spent money to pay for an ongoing service. I don't agree with free lunches or having others pay for my game. That is why I subscribe and will keep subscribing until I reach the point where I have no interest in the game. The crowns are a bonus.

I don't agree with charity to organizations that don't deserve it. Release some content and we can talk.

All you're doing is providing charity.

Because they run the servers and do maintenance for free, right? Content and maintenance are two separate things. I think we should pay a sub to keep the game running, and buy new content that's developed separately. Of course that means content has to actually be worth it, not this console-driven concept of "DLC". But that's just silly old me...

waterfairy

No

$30 for a horse is ridiculous and makes me wonder what bears will sell for...$45? Will the DLC match the price of the game itself?

I saw someone lingering around in Vekhel outside the blacksmith pavilion on one of these icey horseys with the magelight spell trying to draw attention...I made my character laugh at him.

EQBallzz

No

drogon1 wrote: »

It's a rare mount. It's a vanity item. It's for the rich.

If you're complaining about the price, it's probably not an item for you to have.

But keeping the price up - keeping the vanity item exclusive - will keep the rich interested in it.

And I'm all for the rich paying more to develop the game that I'm loving and playing, especially if it only means they are driving a fancier car than me.

OK so in your view characters in video games should reflect the economic inequality of the real world? What's next? Maybe you can start playing an NPC at a stall flipping burgers for players who can "afford" to pay more money for things. Sorry but the RL excuse that you have to be rich is absurd.

WTF would anyone want to escape to a fantasy world that immediately reminds them they are broke or "less than" others who play with more money? Also, why do gamers accept this in the first place? Would you accept different versions of movies? Or maybe 10 dollars only gets you a small screen with sub-par sound but 50 dollars gets you the full movie theater experience? Technically, you can watch the movie on the smaller screen so I guess you can't complain that the rich get a better experience because they can afford to pay more. Nobody would accept that so I don't get why gamers are so quick to accept this built-in F2P inequality in games.

Personally, I can afford to buy these mounts if I wanted them. I have plenty of money to buy them. It's the principal that keeps me from participating in these ridiculous systems. This is supposed to be reasonably priced entertainment not RL economics. Whether or not someone can afford a fancier car than you IRL should have no bearing on what happens in a game world unless you want a terrible game environment.

daemonios

Yes

EQBallzz wrote: »

drogon1 wrote: »

It's a rare mount. It's a vanity item. It's for the rich.

If you're complaining about the price, it's probably not an item for you to have.

But keeping the price up - keeping the vanity item exclusive - will keep the rich interested in it.

And I'm all for the rich paying more to develop the game that I'm loving and playing, especially if it only means they are driving a fancier car than me.

OK so in your view characters in video games should reflect the economic inequality of the real world? What's next? Maybe you can start playing an NPC at a stall flipping burgers for players who can "afford" to pay more money for things. Sorry but the RL excuse that you have to be rich is absurd.

WTF would anyone want to escape to a fantasy world that immediately reminds them they are broke or "less than" others who play with more money? Also, why do gamers accept this in the first place? Would you accept different versions of movies? Or maybe 10 dollars only gets you a small screen with sub-par sound but 50 dollars gets you the full movie theater experience? Technically, you can watch the movie on the smaller screen so I guess you can't complain that the rich get a better experience because they can afford to pay more. Nobody would accept that so I don't get why gamers are so quick to accept this built-in F2P inequality in games.

Personally, I can afford to buy these mounts if I wanted them. I have plenty of money to buy them. It's the principal that keeps me from participating in these ridiculous systems. This is supposed to be reasonably priced entertainment not RL economics. Whether or not someone can afford a fancier car than you IRL should have no bearing on what happens in a game world unless you want a terrible game environment.

I have news for you: there are already VIP seats in normal rooms, and there are IMAX screens that cost quite a bit more than normal screens.

In any way your analogy doesn't really hold any water. There is no subscription fee any more. It's obvious they're gonna try to get more money out of you in other ways. You can't buy a ticket for one movie and want to see all the movies they screen for the rest of your life.

Lionxoft

No

daemonios wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

ZeniMax is still trying to flush out a lot of the free crowns people received as the game transitioned to B2P.

I laugh at ZOS' obvious marketing ploys as I sit on my 13000 crowns

At the same time, I'm kind of hoping they take price gouging to the extreme so people will see that cash stores in games are NOT good for them. Actual content (DLC, expansions or however you want to call them) can be developed and sold separately. The rest is just fluff to get to the wallets of people with little restraint or much money. I can't think of a single example where microtransactions have made a game better.

While you're laughing at their "obvious marketing ploys" as you sit on your 13000 crowns they are laughing at you because you spent money to have 13000 crowns.

No, I spent money to pay for an ongoing service. I don't agree with free lunches or having others pay for my game. That is why I subscribe and will keep subscribing until I reach the point where I have no interest in the game. The crowns are a bonus.

I don't agree with charity to organizations that don't deserve it. Release some content and we can talk.

All you're doing is providing charity.

Because they run the servers and do maintenance for free, right? Content and maintenance are two separate things. I think we should pay a sub to keep the game running, and buy new content that's developed separately. Of course that means content has to actually be worth it, not this console-driven concept of "DLC". But that's just silly old me...

If you're paying to "run the servers" like you say you are then they are failing you miserably. You shouldn't be holding that as a badge of honor. But that's just silly old you I guess. Emphasis on silly I must add.

No one is forcing you to pay the subscription. You simply don't have to. The subscription might be worth it later once there are some DLC or revamped perks but right now it isn't worth it in the least bit. Their costs of service aren't my priority as the consumer and it shouldn't bother me how much it cost them to provide the service. I care only about what I'm getting for my money and how it benefits me now. I am not going to invest in a video game that hides their future behind the moniker "Soon" for over a year especially after they failed to meet even the expectations set for themselves 15 months later with no upward swing in the last 10 months.

ESO's poor server performance, lack of game updates, lack of new content and poor customer support are the reasons why I don't subscribe. The aforementioned topics are absolutely terrible and that anyone in their right mind would pay for this is doing it out of the kindness of their heart. Not a bad thing I guess but from a consumer perspective it's pretty stupid sounding. From a charitable contribution perspective? You're quite the donor paying money and expecting nothing in return.

The expectation of paying for DLC on top of a subscription fee + box copy as you stated? Very few games out there deserve that. I can't think of any off the top of my head.

That horse though... $30 reskin. I think I'll pass. The market for the game is barely at that price point.

If it's not completely 100% clear I think the game is great and that is why my fire is intense. I want to see it improve and I want to feel like my money is being well spent but I couldn't convince myself to do charity for a for profit organization. The company that runs it has failed to show any integrity with the commitments they made last year and before launch. The server performance in PvP is absolutely horrendous for a large MMO title like this one and the lack of updates are below f2p standards. They push more mounts than actual playable content for crying out loud. It's great running around on a different horse doing the same stories I must say... or not.

Again, that horse though... $30 reskin. I think I'll pass. Hopefully this doesn't set a precedent for other items, services or options.

NotSo

No

No need for the poll. We vote with our $$$.

OzJohnD

No

I don't have a Nord DK

Thymos

Yes

Gidorick wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Endless-Shogun wrote: »

10 Bucks for mounts, no more! No less!

Put a stop to "limited time offers".
Thats BS, take my money when I want to give it!

Welcome to ESO: Tamriel Unlimited.

Fixed! "ESO" didn't have these things.

@Gidorick actually it did. Remember the $15 Palomino?

On Topic: It's not like that this 3000 crown point mount is the only mount available...

Buy a cheaper one, or use in-game gold.

Olivierko

Yes

It's a mount, cosmetics nothing else, for all I care they can charge a million.

Thymos

Yes

NotSo wrote: »

No need for the poll. We vote with our $$$.

Even if a fraction of the population actually buys it, they have made money, and it was worth it.

Phinix1

No

EQBallzz wrote: »

drogon1 wrote: »

It's a rare mount. It's a vanity item. It's for the rich.

If you're complaining about the price, it's probably not an item for you to have.

But keeping the price up - keeping the vanity item exclusive - will keep the rich interested in it.

And I'm all for the rich paying more to develop the game that I'm loving and playing, especially if it only means they are driving a fancier car than me.

OK so in your view characters in video games should reflect the economic inequality of the real world? What's next? Maybe you can start playing an NPC at a stall flipping burgers for players who can "afford" to pay more money for things. Sorry but the RL excuse that you have to be rich is absurd.

You sir, have earned an awesome.

It seems to me that there is a very specific and cliché psychology going on here:

The "rich" are motivated to be rich to compensate for a fundamental inadequacy, be it physically, or perhaps intellectually, or they just lack talent and imagination to be sought by circles of "artistic" types, whatever.

So, they get a ton of money. However, THAT IS NEVER ENOUGH, is it? No, it seems to me that it is a fairly widespread (to the point of validating the cliché) reality that these overcompensating rich NEED other people to pay attention to them (like the guy standing there like a dunce with his magelight doing nothing just waiting for people to pay him "fap points").

They can't ever enjoy what they have unless either 1) other people are made not to have it or 2) other people are made to acknowledge how awesomely amazing it is they showed up with money and bought something.

"Am I winning now? Am I winning now? COME ON! All this money HAS to mean SOMETHING. Tell me it means something! YOU! TELL ME IT MEANS SOMETHING NOW!

It is all rather sad, actually. Makes me question the cro-mag content of human DNA.

EDIT:

Of course, being a company ZOS is obligated to try and cash in on this need for recognition. I just wish they would add something with a little more substance for those with the emotional maturity of a 10 year old.

/sigh

danno8

They all look terrible once they get wings, err saddle bags.

Sandmanninja

Yes

Snowgoons wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Ohh well, I understand a bit more now.
I wasn't sure what CAD was.
It sounded like ... well... I dunno.
You should write to your member of Parliament, asking they do something to pump up the value of your money.
It's called a "Loon", right?

ps: still like my horse

One google search later

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_dollar

You just used the 3 letters. I'm sorry but the Canadian Loon or Dollar or whatever isn't a global juggernaut.
Try googling CAD and you'll see all of the first few dozen results referring to Computer Aided Drafting or Computer Aided Design.

Clearly my fault because I didn't have my mind reading hat on when I read your post.

Blutengel

No

Absolutely unreasonable! So freaking expensive! Did I buy it though? Heck yeah lol.

Sandmanninja

Yes

Lionxoft wrote: »

I don't care what you're riding and I don't care what I'm riding to be completely honest but the idea of ONE in-game item costing more than the actual purchase of the game in a b2p model is insanity.

Don't buy this garbage as it sets precedent for things that I actually might be interested in.

"Oh, that guy/girl bought a $30 mount. They must be ok with a $60 DLC that is 2 hours worth of content".

I paid about US$79 for ESO back when it was pre-purchased (Imperial Edition).
I paid US$25 for the horse.
Lemme do the math.... Carry the one....
yeah, so I paid less than a third of the price of the game for a novelty item.

I don't really get it. And it's not just ESO, Blizzard released some cosmetic helms some time ago. They were kinda cool but I didn't get one. (the helms looked like they were made from either ice or from animated fire - it was kinda cool). People in random dungeon and raid groups KICKED people from the group if they were wearing a hat. That is just stupid crazy. Sounds like the same kind of mentality going on here.

And there is an entire "gimme gimme" attitude in the teens now-a-days.
In a time when people won't go to the store to buy a tv series or movie - they'll just download it for 'free' (i.e. pirate).
Same for an expensive program. "I want Office 2013 - I'll see if I can download it from a Warez site..."
ZOS dropped the subscription model.
ZOS has people developing stuff for the ingame shop.
They also have a different team developing content for DLC and other content.
They don't pull the accountants off the bookkeeping if the IT Department needs more computer techs - 2 different teams.
2 different jobs. 2 different roles.

ZOS had a plan that included consoles.
They ran into a hitch with XBOX live and PSN not charging a monthly sub fee.
They had to completely re-do their plan to take that into account.
Once they re-shufffled things, then they moved forward with consoles (after much delay due to the internal shuffling).
NOW that consoles are released, they are back on track.

If anything, My Little Frost Pony continues to put revenue into ZOS' pockets, which helps keep this game alive.

#1) I sub. Still do. I like the crowns and I like the 10% buffs I get.
#2) I buy crowns.

I've waited years for this game and if a few simple purchases can help continue it, then so be it.

I make a good income.
I don't drink alcohol.
I don't smoke.
I don't do drugs.
I enjoy reading, watching movies, and playing games.
$15 for the monthly sub is about 30 minutes of paid work for me.
A horse - about 40 minutes.
If I went to a bar and bought a drink ($8? $10?) or went to a movie ($12.50) and got some popcorn and a drink ($20), that is 2 hours of entertainment. Poof. That's it. I have the memories of it but that's it.
$15/mo and I can log on 24/7 if I wanted to do so and enjoy it.

xaraan

No

No.

That's why despite buying most everything else in the store, I won't be buying the mount. $25 was pushing it, so you gotta draw the line somewhere.

If they have success selling a re-skinned horse with ugly saddlebags for thirty bugs, guess how much actual content will probably cost.