3000cr for a mount - is this reasonable?

Sandmanninja · July 2015

Yes

Ohh well, I understand a bit more now.
I wasn't sure what CAD was.
It sounded like ... well... I dunno.
You should write to your member of Parliament, asking they do something to pump up the value of your money.
It's called a "Loon", right?

ps: still like my horse

Gidorick · July 2015

nastuug wrote: »

Endless-Shogun wrote: »

10 Bucks for mounts, no more! No less!

Put a stop to "limited time offers".
Thats BS, take my money when I want to give it!

Welcome to ESO: Tamriel Unlimited.

Fixed! "ESO" didn't have these things.

BigM · July 2015

No

What scares me is what are they going to charge for DLC's.

Heck the game with all the bugs isn't worth 15 a month with ESO+!

GespenstRaccoon · July 2015

No

No but i still bought it. Its limited time 2nd-7th July thats why its more expensive. But I would have liked to see some extra benefit from it such as turning the water into ice as it steps on it so you dont fall off when the water gets too deep.

Snowgoons · July 2015

No

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Ohh well, I understand a bit more now.
I wasn't sure what CAD was.
It sounded like ... well... I dunno.
You should write to your member of Parliament, asking they do something to pump up the value of your money.
It's called a "Loon", right?

ps: still like my horse

One google search later

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_dollar

jkemmery · July 2015

No

Bromburak wrote: »

Don't buy mounts in the Skyrim Strip club.

Yeah, but unlike IRL strip clubs, you can't catch something if you do.

MCMancub · July 2015

No

Snowgoons wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

Snowgoons wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

In WoW, mounts go for US$25. I just bought 3000 crowns for exactly AU$25 (about US$20).
I feel the dollar values you put in your vote/poll are biased and misleading.

I just bought the horse.
It doesn't make me do more dps.
I don't earn xp faster than someone else.

I just liked it.

It makes a crunching sound when you ride on it.

1. This isn't WoW
2. Just because WoW did something doesn't make it acceptable
and 3. Enjoy your overpriced mount, but don't pretend it was priced fairly.

What does "priced fairly" mean? The average age of the ESO player is well over 30. I'm in my early twenties and can afford $25 every few months. Will I? Nah, but that doesn't make it unfairly priced.

I'm sorry did I miss the part where I said it wasn't priced fairly for teens? Did I say elderly couldn't afford it? What does age have to do with ***? I'm sure I and others could buy the entire crown store, doesn't mean this item was priced fairly for what it is.

Fairly priced means it can be bought by the audience. The only group of players that fall into the category of "legitimately cannot buy it" are children with literally no money.

Now, understand that I realize most of us do not have money to throw at a screen for other reasons and therefore the mount is not affordable. Bills, education, mortgage, etc. That doesn't mean anyone with a job can't be irresponsible and purchase them though. Unless the majority of the 30-somethings and older who play this game are completely unemployed, have zero dollars, and are generating zero dollars, then the mount is still, in a sense, fairly priced.

EDIT: They could charge whatever they want to for it. Until the price is greater than the gross income of their audience, it's still "fairly priced". At least, that's my opinion.

Endless-Shogun · July 2015

No

Should be changed to reasonably priced then?

PBpsy · July 2015

No

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

You need a third option: "It doesn't matter because I will never spend actual money on a mount (or pretty much anything else in the Crown Store)."

I'm glad they are keeping CS prices on the high side because this prioritizes in-game systems over RL currency microtransactions.

LOL

newtinmpls · July 2015

If you are willing to pay it, yes.

If not, no.

I'm not.

Mashille · July 2015

Yes

You need to ask the question though. Will You Buy it? if No Then who cares. It doesn't matter, if you don't want it, don;t buy it. This is for those people who love to collect the rare things in the game and have a stash of all the really rare and limited offered stuff.

People who want to buy it can buy it. People who don't, don;t have to, no one is forcing you to buy it.

LadyDestiny · July 2015

Yes

25 to 30 bucks us pretty standard price for specialty mounts in an mmo. At least any mmo that I have ever played. They need to make some money from the crown store. At least it is not like Neverwinter that nickle and dimes you to death for everything in the game.

Lionxoft · July 2015

No

daemonios wrote: »

Mounts are just pixels. Other things in the shop are also just fluff or things you can get in the game. The community "asked" for a shop? We got it! I couldn't care less how much ZOS think they can milk players for with this stuff. I disagree with the cash shop and the B2P/F2P models, I keep my sub current, I haven't spent a single crown (might buy DLC packs eventually, if I ever decide to unsub).

That said, the minute I feel I need to buy something in order to play the game effectively, I'll bid farewell to Tamriel.

We didn't ask for a shop. The game hadn't even released when the news about a shop was muttered.

Also your comment about it being fluff is incorrect from a certain point of view. There are items in there that affect your power progression through end game and beyond max level. Yes, I know they are obtainable in-game but it sets a bad precedent. If they are easy to get in-game then why sell them on the store? Do they nerf drop rates or locations to promote crown store sales similar to what they did to motifs? It will change just like their business model changed. They will switch their commitments that were made to the players just like they already have.

If it's not already obvious but Bethesda/Zenimax Media Inc. don't care about their IP anymore. They simply just want to cash in on it before it has a chance to burn it's fuse away so they are releasing all these different titles. Take a look at "ElderHearthstone Scrolls". Oops! I meant to say "Elder Scrolls Legends". It screams "I want to be Hearthstone! SO BAD!". Hopefully the gameplay and metatype will be a different experience otherwise that will get a severely negative response as a knock off.

First comes the RPG then comes the MMO. Later comes the TCG and then we will have a picture matching game on mobile. Why just cash in on fantastic single player RPG titles when they can throw in garbage between releases and people still sheepishly eat it up?

Slippery slope. Similar to my comment lol.

Lionxoft · July 2015

No

I don't care what you're riding and I don't care what I'm riding to be completely honest but the idea of ONE in-game item costing more than the actual purchase of the game in a b2p model is insanity.

Don't buy this garbage as it sets precedent for things that I actually might be interested in.

"Oh, that guy/girl bought a $30 mount. They must be ok with a $60 DLC that is 2 hours worth of content".

Dante_Ravenkin · July 2015

No

I voted no, but I still bought it. I think it looks cool. I just wish I could gift my Nightmare Courser to my girlfriend or my brother.

JD2013 · July 2015

If you want to buy it then buy it. If you don't then don't. Simple as. I haven't clicked on the Crown Store tab since upgrading to the imperial edition. Won't be either as there's nothing I want to buy.

If people want to spend that much money on a vanity mount then so be it. Doesn't affect my life or game.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · July 2015

No

GespenstRaccoon wrote: »

No but i still bought it. Its limited time 2nd-7th July thats why its more expensive.

No, it really isn't.

It'll be back in the store in 2 months time when they need another "time limited exclusive" to keep the cash-cows attention on something "new" in lieu of actual content.

Honestly, I despair at humanity for being so gullible to fall for this marketing rubbish

All The Best

stevenbennett_ESO · July 2015

Yes

Is $900,000 reasonable for an automobile? Is $50000 reasonable for a diamond encrusted bluetooth headset? Is $7500 reasonable for a leather, gold, and silver Monopoly set? Is $15 Million reasonable for an iPhone? These are things you can actually buy in the real world. You can get a functional equivalent for a tiny fraction of the price, but some people have money to spend on these kinds of things and do so, whether it's a status symbol, or because they just like pretty things.

The 3000 Crowns for a mount in ESO is no different -- it's an unnecessary luxury good item, and some people are going to be willing to spend that money. You don't *have* to, though -- it won't really change your game experience.

Wardonian · July 2015

Yes

If people want to spend their hard earned cash on a mount, why not? If thats what they want.

I feel It's priced fairly, as people who want to pay for it, will do within the 'limited time'. As someone mentioned above, this method keeps the horse relatively rare. People who are not willing to pay for it will always hate against the fact it's been priced out of their pocket. Cheaper, more common mounts will come.

Ourorboros · July 2015

Yes

3000cr is reasonable because people are willing to pay it. That proof is evident by looking at mounts being ridden. Now if you had asked if I was willing to pay 3000 myself, then the answer would be F no. Even if I didn't have the tiger senche mount, I would ride one of the other 3 horses before paying crowns. The only mount I would consider buying would be a Dire Wolf, but I doubt I would get it if priced at 3000. I'm a tightwad, but for those inclined to spend, it may as well be 3000.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · July 2015

No

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Is $900,000 reasonable for an automobile? Is $50000 reasonable for a diamond encrusted bluetooth headset? Is $7500 reasonable for a leather, gold, and silver Monopoly set? Is $15 Million reasonable for an iPhone? These are things you can actually buy in the real world.

This doesn't prove these things are reasonably priced.

It does however prove that some people have more money than sense, and some would still have more money than sense if all they had was $0.25.

All The Best

Lionxoft · July 2015

No

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

I'm glad they are keeping CS prices on the high side because this prioritizes in-game systems over RL currency microtransactions.

Wait... What? There hasn't been an update in near 4 months but we did get a ton of Crown Store updates.

Your comment makes no sense and it's not based on reality.

pmn100b16_ESO · July 2015

I wouldn't pay $1. But there's this saying - 'fools and their money are easily parted'

EQBallzz · July 2015

No

No, it's not reasonable. The argument that just because WoW gets away with selling mounts for 25 bucks makes it OK is asinine. Just because there are a lot of suckers out there doesn't make it right. I'm not one to push the generic WoW-hate like many do but it's quite ironic that 99% of the time any WoW reference or game comparison is negative but for some unknown reason when it's about selling mounts for ridiculous amounts it's used as a positive justification for gouging people in other games. Simply astounding.

MrGhosty · July 2015

Seems a bit high even for a "vanity" item from my games experience, what does bother me is I think our perceptions of what is and isn't worth it in this game are skewed by the fact there is almost no new content so things in the crown store start to look appealing as you're just trying to find anything new to help break the monotony.

I don't like to ascribe evil or dishonest business tactics to companies when I have no way or really knowing what's going on, so I won't. What I will say is that in this vacuum of little to no information about what's coming, when it's coming and how much they will be charging us for it is quickly being filled by doubt, negativity and wild speculation which colors every action the company takes.

daemonios · July 2015

Yes

Lionxoft wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Mounts are just pixels. Other things in the shop are also just fluff or things you can get in the game. The community "asked" for a shop? We got it! I couldn't care less how much ZOS think they can milk players for with this stuff. I disagree with the cash shop and the B2P/F2P models, I keep my sub current, I haven't spent a single crown (might buy DLC packs eventually, if I ever decide to unsub).

That said, the minute I feel I need to buy something in order to play the game effectively, I'll bid farewell to Tamriel.

We didn't ask for a shop. The game hadn't even released when the news about a shop was muttered.

Also your comment about it being fluff is incorrect from a certain point of view. There are items in there that affect your power progression through end game and beyond max level. Yes, I know they are obtainable in-game but it sets a bad precedent. If they are easy to get in-game then why sell them on the store? Do they nerf drop rates or locations to promote crown store sales similar to what they did to motifs? It will change just like their business model changed. They will switch their commitments that were made to the players just like they already have.

If it's not already obvious but Bethesda/Zenimax Media Inc. don't care about their IP anymore. They simply just want to cash in on it before it has a chance to burn it's fuse away so they are releasing all these different titles. Take a look at "ElderHearthstone Scrolls". Oops! I meant to say "Elder Scrolls Legends". It screams "I want to be Hearthstone! SO BAD!". Hopefully the gameplay and metatype will be a different experience otherwise that will get a severely negative response as a knock off.

First comes the RPG then comes the MMO. Later comes the TCG and then we will have a picture matching game on mobile. Why just cash in on fantastic single player RPG titles when they can throw in garbage between releases and people still sheepishly eat it up?

Slippery slope. Similar to my comment lol.

You're preaching to the choir. I never wanted and strongly opposed the crown store. But it's too late now. I agree with you regarding the slippery slope, but I don't think we've reached the point where you can say ESO is P2W. Yet.

Lionxoft · July 2015

No

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Is $900,000 reasonable for an automobile? Is $50000 reasonable for a diamond encrusted bluetooth headset? Is $7500 reasonable for a leather, gold, and silver Monopoly set? Is $15 Million reasonable for an iPhone? These are things you can actually buy in the real world. You can get a functional equivalent for a tiny fraction of the price, but some people have money to spend on these kinds of things and do so, whether it's a status symbol, or because they just like pretty things.

The 3000 Crowns for a mount in ESO is no different -- it's an unnecessary luxury good item, and some people are going to be willing to spend that money. You don't *have* to, though -- it won't really change your game experience.

"Hey, want to go take a ride on my Frostmare?"->Probably gets a drink spilled on your head.

"Hey, want to go take a ride in my Rolls Royce?"->Success rates are over 9,000.

Comparisons of virtual items that very well could be gone in a few years if ZOS decides to close shop cannot be compared to an actual touchable and useable item. Micro-transactions are bad. Just take a look at the gaming industry as a whole. It is filled with garbage now.

Snowgoons · July 2015

No

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Is $900,000 reasonable for an automobile? Is $50000 reasonable for a diamond encrusted bluetooth headset? Is $7500 reasonable for a leather, gold, and silver Monopoly set? Is $15 Million reasonable for an iPhone? These are things you can actually buy in the real world.

This doesn't prove these things are reasonably priced.

It does however prove that some people have more money than sense, and some would still have more money than sense if all they had was $0.25.

All The Best

ur my new hero dude

daemonios wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Mounts are just pixels. Other things in the shop are also just fluff or things you can get in the game. The community "asked" for a shop? We got it! I couldn't care less how much ZOS think they can milk players for with this stuff. I disagree with the cash shop and the B2P/F2P models, I keep my sub current, I haven't spent a single crown (might buy DLC packs eventually, if I ever decide to unsub).

That said, the minute I feel I need to buy something in order to play the game effectively, I'll bid farewell to Tamriel.

We didn't ask for a shop. The game hadn't even released when the news about a shop was muttered.

Also your comment about it being fluff is incorrect from a certain point of view. There are items in there that affect your power progression through end game and beyond max level. Yes, I know they are obtainable in-game but it sets a bad precedent. If they are easy to get in-game then why sell them on the store? Do they nerf drop rates or locations to promote crown store sales similar to what they did to motifs? It will change just like their business model changed. They will switch their commitments that were made to the players just like they already have.

If it's not already obvious but Bethesda/Zenimax Media Inc. don't care about their IP anymore. They simply just want to cash in on it before it has a chance to burn it's fuse away so they are releasing all these different titles. Take a look at "ElderHearthstone Scrolls". Oops! I meant to say "Elder Scrolls Legends". It screams "I want to be Hearthstone! SO BAD!". Hopefully the gameplay and metatype will be a different experience otherwise that will get a severely negative response as a knock off.

First comes the RPG then comes the MMO. Later comes the TCG and then we will have a picture matching game on mobile. Why just cash in on fantastic single player RPG titles when they can throw in garbage between releases and people still sheepishly eat it up?

Slippery slope. Similar to my comment lol.

You're preaching to the choir. I never wanted and strongly opposed the crown store. But it's too late now. I agree with you regarding the slippery slope, but I don't think we've reached the point where you can say ESO is P2W. Yet.

So you never wanted it and strongly opposed it, but fell right in line and ended up here voting yes to an overpriced horse on the same shop you strongly opposed and never wanted?

You sir, are not my hero.

Akinos · July 2015

No

No, 30$ is a lot for a cosmetic mount imo. They should rename the mount to what it really is...an overpriced poorly modeled cash grab.

Slurg · July 2015

Yes

3000 crowns for a limited edition status symbol mount must be a reasonable price since plenty of people are buying them at that price. I don't want one, but if that's what people choose to spend their money on, it doesn't bother me.