I feel like a "base" or "standard" type of PvP would be awful. The beauty of the game is the crazy customizable characters you can create. You don't have to have a cookie-cutter build to be successful. Everyone running around with the same handful of builds would be boring (yes, I understand there are FOTM builds but you don't have to use one to be successful). I enjoy coming up against a stam sorc who has found a way to be successful or a DK who isn't using the same build as everyone else. I just feel like making a few universal builds to choose from would be an awful way to go and I doubt they would ever implement it.
I feel like a "base" or "standard" type of PvP would be awful. The beauty of the game is the crazy customizable characters you can create. You don't have to have a cookie-cutter build to be successful. Everyone running around with the same handful of builds would be boring (yes, I understand there are FOTM builds but you don't have to use one to be successful). I enjoy coming up against a stam sorc who has found a way to be successful or a DK who isn't using the same build as everyone else. I just feel like making a few universal builds to choose from would be an awful way to go and I doubt they would ever implement it.
Read post again, would not be "Standard builds" you would still choose your build from all skills your class has.
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When choosing a new campaign you are prompted to make a build (can not change your class), you get to choose your style of armor (Armor is only for skills associated with said armor) and base weapons. You are given (X) amount of Skills points and full access to all skills/morphs.Thats it, once you allocate your points you are set with that build for the duration of campaign.
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I feel like a "base" or "standard" type of PvP would be awful. The beauty of the game is the crazy customizable characters you can create. You don't have to have a cookie-cutter build to be successful. Everyone running around with the same handful of builds would be boring (yes, I understand there are FOTM builds but you don't have to use one to be successful). I enjoy coming up against a stam sorc who has found a way to be successful or a DK who isn't using the same build as everyone else. I just feel like making a few universal builds to choose from would be an awful way to go and I doubt they would ever implement it.
Read post again, would not be "Standard builds" you would still choose your build from all skills your class has.
Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Long story short, not everyone is equal. PvP or otherwise. The sooner you come to terms with this, the better.
All im am suggestion is a separate mode where you are on equal ground. Guild wars figured it out, not that difficult.
As I read the OP, my thoughts range from "Nope" to "OH HAIL NO".
W/out knowing anything about your build, class, skills, CP, etc it would be hard to hazard any sort of guess as to why you couldn't kill an AFK player. Certainly, a single thought does come to mind, but that wouldn't be very kind to assume of you.
But your story is pretty much the exact opposite of most everybody's experiences when it comes to attacking a player. TTK is extremely low right now, so your anecdote seems... questionable.
As I read the OP, my thoughts range from "Nope" to "OH HAIL NO".
W/out knowing anything about your build, class, skills, CP, etc it would be hard to hazard any sort of guess as to why you couldn't kill an AFK player. Certainly, a single thought does come to mind, but that wouldn't be very kind to assume of you.
But your story is pretty much the exact opposite of most everybody's experiences when it comes to attacking a player. TTK is extremely low right now, so your anecdote seems... questionable.
Even if you assume im the worst player in all of ESO, still should have killed someone AFK lol. Not that it should matter, but my build is a melee sorcerer. stood behind player and used all dark/lighting magic abilities available to me. plus standard melee atks of course.
As I read the OP, my thoughts range from "Nope" to "OH HAIL NO".
W/out knowing anything about your build, class, skills, CP, etc it would be hard to hazard any sort of guess as to why you couldn't kill an AFK player. Certainly, a single thought does come to mind, but that wouldn't be very kind to assume of you.
But your story is pretty much the exact opposite of most everybody's experiences when it comes to attacking a player. TTK is extremely low right now, so your anecdote seems... questionable.
Even if you assume im the worst player in all of ESO, still should have killed someone AFK lol. Not that it should matter, but my build is a melee sorcerer. stood behind player and used all dark/lighting magic abilities available to me. plus standard melee atks of course.
It absolutely should matter, as battle leveling evens out the playing field stat-wise. Thus, if looking for the culprit, one is forced to look at the other factors: build, class, skills, weapons, CP, etc.
I don't know a lot about your build, but it doesn't seem to be very effective damage-wise just from the sounds of it. Melee Sorc is the weakest class build in the game, though this alone should never bar you from killing an enemy (some do quite well w/ it).
Then you go on to say that you used all dark / lightning magic abilities. Is your build focused on spellpower and max magicka, the stats that actually boost your Sorc skills, or on stamina / weapon damage, the stats that boost melee abilities?
Standard melee attacks, is that light attacks?
As I said, what you described happening is questionable at best, so you basically leave us to either try to figure out how something like that could happen w/in the mechanics of the game, or simply discount that it happened outright.
As I read the OP, my thoughts range from "Nope" to "OH HAIL NO".
W/out knowing anything about your build, class, skills, CP, etc it would be hard to hazard any sort of guess as to why you couldn't kill an AFK player. Certainly, a single thought does come to mind, but that wouldn't be very kind to assume of you.
But your story is pretty much the exact opposite of most everybody's experiences when it comes to attacking a player. TTK is extremely low right now, so your anecdote seems... questionable.
Even if you assume im the worst player in all of ESO, still should have killed someone AFK lol. Not that it should matter, but my build is a melee sorcerer. stood behind player and used all dark/lighting magic abilities available to me. plus standard melee atks of course.
It absolutely should matter, as battle leveling evens out the playing field stat-wise. Thus, if looking for the culprit, one is forced to look at the other factors: build, class, skills, weapons, CP, etc.
I don't know a lot about your build, but it doesn't seem to be very effective damage-wise just from the sounds of it. Melee Sorc is the weakest class build in the game, though this alone should never bar you from killing an enemy (some do quite well w/ it).
Then you go on to say that you used all dark / lightning magic abilities. Is your build focused on spellpower and max magicka, the stats that actually boost your Sorc skills, or on stamina / weapon damage, the stats that boost melee abilities?
Standard melee attacks, is that light attacks?
As I said, what you described happening is questionable at best, so you basically leave us to either try to figure out how something like that could happen w/in the mechanics of the game, or simply discount that it happened outright.
the whole point is i couldn't kill a player who was AFK, I could have been naked with a wooden spoon and should have been able to kill this person lol. build is irrelevant to the conversation really, But since your curious he is 80%magic, 20% melee. Iv only focused on dark/lighting hybrid pure dmg. No points in pet tree, Few pts in "heavy weapon passive" for DMG, one 2h weapon skill on ability bar which is "brawler" not sure of all names of skills but rest on ability bar are dark/lighting dmg spells.
As I read the OP, my thoughts range from "Nope" to "OH HAIL NO".
W/out knowing anything about your build, class, skills, CP, etc it would be hard to hazard any sort of guess as to why you couldn't kill an AFK player. Certainly, a single thought does come to mind, but that wouldn't be very kind to assume of you.
But your story is pretty much the exact opposite of most everybody's experiences when it comes to attacking a player. TTK is extremely low right now, so your anecdote seems... questionable.
Even if you assume im the worst player in all of ESO, still should have killed someone AFK lol. Not that it should matter, but my build is a melee sorcerer. stood behind player and used all dark/lighting magic abilities available to me. plus standard melee atks of course.
It absolutely should matter, as battle leveling evens out the playing field stat-wise. Thus, if looking for the culprit, one is forced to look at the other factors: build, class, skills, weapons, CP, etc.
I don't know a lot about your build, but it doesn't seem to be very effective damage-wise just from the sounds of it. Melee Sorc is the weakest class build in the game, though this alone should never bar you from killing an enemy (some do quite well w/ it).
Then you go on to say that you used all dark / lightning magic abilities. Is your build focused on spellpower and max magicka, the stats that actually boost your Sorc skills, or on stamina / weapon damage, the stats that boost melee abilities?
Standard melee attacks, is that light attacks?
As I said, what you described happening is questionable at best, so you basically leave us to either try to figure out how something like that could happen w/in the mechanics of the game, or simply discount that it happened outright.
the whole point is i couldn't kill a player who was AFK, I could have been naked with a wooden spoon and should have been able to kill this person lol. build is irrelevant to the conversation really, But since your curious he is 80%magic, 20% melee. Iv only focused on dark/lighting hybrid pure dmg. No points in pet tree, Few pts in "heavy weapon passive" for DMG, one 2h weapon skill on ability bar which is "brawler" not sure of all names of skills but rest on ability bar are dark/lighting dmg spells.
Well, the whole point is yes, you should have been able to kill this person. If you couldn't, there is probably something else going on.
If you don't want to give details to what that something else could be, then most are simply going to be inclined to either call you a liar or a terrible player, and even if you were the latter you should still have been able to kill him.
So it seems more like the former. But even however it seems, I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
/shrug
I've never had a problem killing other players even on lv10 battle-leveled toons, though I've been playing this game since Early Access and most of my builds are pretty optimized (well, as much as they can be at lv10, lol).
Could it be that perhaps you are exaggerating how long you were actually beating on him? The only thing that I could think of is that you were just hitting him w/ light attacks the whole time, but you've said otherwise.
As I read the OP, my thoughts range from "Nope" to "OH HAIL NO".
W/out knowing anything about your build, class, skills, CP, etc it would be hard to hazard any sort of guess as to why you couldn't kill an AFK player. Certainly, a single thought does come to mind, but that wouldn't be very kind to assume of you.
But your story is pretty much the exact opposite of most everybody's experiences when it comes to attacking a player. TTK is extremely low right now, so your anecdote seems... questionable.
Even if you assume im the worst player in all of ESO, still should have killed someone AFK lol. Not that it should matter, but my build is a melee sorcerer. stood behind player and used all dark/lighting magic abilities available to me. plus standard melee atks of course.
It absolutely should matter, as battle leveling evens out the playing field stat-wise. Thus, if looking for the culprit, one is forced to look at the other factors: build, class, skills, weapons, CP, etc.
I don't know a lot about your build, but it doesn't seem to be very effective damage-wise just from the sounds of it. Melee Sorc is the weakest class build in the game, though this alone should never bar you from killing an enemy (some do quite well w/ it).
Then you go on to say that you used all dark / lightning magic abilities. Is your build focused on spellpower and max magicka, the stats that actually boost your Sorc skills, or on stamina / weapon damage, the stats that boost melee abilities?
Standard melee attacks, is that light attacks?
As I said, what you described happening is questionable at best, so you basically leave us to either try to figure out how something like that could happen w/in the mechanics of the game, or simply discount that it happened outright.
the whole point is i couldn't kill a player who was AFK, I could have been naked with a wooden spoon and should have been able to kill this person lol. build is irrelevant to the conversation really, But since your curious he is 80%magic, 20% melee. Iv only focused on dark/lighting hybrid pure dmg. No points in pet tree, Few pts in "heavy weapon passive" for DMG, one 2h weapon skill on ability bar which is "brawler" not sure of all names of skills but rest on ability bar are dark/lighting dmg spells.
Well, the whole point is yes, you should have been able to kill this person. If you couldn't, there is probably something else going on.
If you don't want to give details to what that something else could be, then most are simply going to be inclined to either call you a liar or a terrible player, and even if you were the latter you should still have been able to kill him.
So it seems more like the former. But even however it seems, I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
/shrug
I've never had a problem killing other players even on lv10 battle-leveled toons, though I've been playing this game since Early Access and most of my builds are pretty optimized (well, as much as they can be at lv10, lol).
Could it be that perhaps you are exaggerating how long you were actually beating on him? The only thing that I could think of is that you were just hitting him w/ light attacks the whole time, but you've said otherwise.
Dude just make it to v14 and there you have it...
It's all skill or the spam of a button. Just practice and you will be able to kill them eventually. It's be just a lack of knowledge to PvP. (Sorry if I'm sounding rude, I don't intend to).
whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »
that was an example that your not understanding . I don't care if your MAX VR ,Max champion pts, i should be able to kill you if your standing AFK for over a min not defending yourself.
It's all skill or the spam of a button. Just practice and you will be able to kill them eventually. It's be just a lack of knowledge to PvP. (Sorry if I'm sounding rude, I don't intend to).
Your not getting the gist of the post. Nothing to do with skill or knowledge of pvp. I couldn't kill someone standing afk cause they were lv 40 and i was 15.
It's all skill or the spam of a button. Just practice and you will be able to kill them eventually. It's be just a lack of knowledge to PvP. (Sorry if I'm sounding rude, I don't intend to).
Your not getting the gist of the post. Nothing to do with skill or knowledge of pvp. I couldn't kill someone standing afk cause they were lv 40 and i was 15.
Given the levels, I'm assuming this happened in a non-veteran campaign?
If so, both of you would be Battle Leveled, so your stats would be very similar. The gear you are wearing would be Battle leveled too and wouldn't be a factor. If the level 40 was a 'twink' he might have some nice 5-piece set bonuses which could help, but it wouldn't make a massive difference in the situation you described (beating on him afk).
So there's two possibilities:
1) The level 40 had a large amount of Champion Points and had put lots of them into damage mitigation passives. Also possibly some skill points put into certain damage mitigation passives too.
2) Your build is the problem, causing you to hit like a wet lettuce. You mentioned being 80% magic / 20% melee, but using a 2h sword as your primary weapon. This might be part of the problem. You really need to stick to either magicka or stamina builds, hybrids don't work so well, especially for Sorcerer which doesn't have a lot of synergy with stamina currently. Also, Brawler doesn't hit very hard, it's mostly used for the damage shield.
whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »
that was an example that your not understanding . I don't care if your MAX VR ,Max champion pts, i should be able to kill you if your standing AFK for over a min not defending yourself.
Nope, you are not understanding, it ain't that type of game.. the guy must have went AFK, then came back, saw you were trying to kill him and took you down.
I used to know someone that when they went AFK, they set a key on his keyboard to [BLOCK] and then put a penny in it and be in sneak until he came back, but this took effect on a console correct ??
Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »No. If you want to be effective in PvP, then put in the time and level up, get the gear, get the skills, and learn to play your class like everyone else has.
That makes 0 sense, So your saying.. if im Lv 10 and skill wise im a much better player than my enemy, i mean its not even close, but since hes lv 30-50 i cant win? makes ZERO sense
Then the PVP is just broke, if you cant kill someone who is AFK just because they are higher lv game needs fixed.
Sledgemoto wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »No. If you want to be effective in PvP, then put in the time and level up, get the gear, get the skills, and learn to play your class like everyone else has.
That makes 0 sense, So your saying.. if im Lv 10 and skill wise im a much better player than my enemy, i mean its not even close, but since hes lv 30-50 i cant win? makes ZERO sense
umm yes it does, can you kill a NPC thats 20 levels higher than you? Why should you be able to kill a player that's 20-30 levels higher than you I don't get your logic.