ADarklore wrote: »

I have an idea... how about players actually take their time to level through an area the first time, that way they won't have to worry about being over-leveled for it later. If you choose to skip content and rush to the top, then you SHOULD suffer the penalty for your impatience. Why should the game devote resources to cater to those who make a choice to skip content for their level and then expect to return later to finish things up? I'd rather they devote their resources to adding new content and fixing residual bugs than doing something like this.

I play slowly, explore, and check corners. It's because I do this, I end up Outleveling an area. I skipped content only because I ended up being Outleveled. The issue is 100% the inverse of what you're assuming it is.

Someone seems to be new to the MMO. One of my various concerns about the console version i had since they announced it.

Teiji wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Thoughts? What are the reasons this would be a bad thing?

@Gidorick because it's forced.

Everything you've suggested is great, but it should function similarly as a benefit to grouping up.

You know how when you group up with someone, you get the dialogue asking if you'd like to travel to them?

Well, another dialogue asking if you'd like to level-sync with the party leader so you can be max level and go have fun with friends without making the experience cumbersome. Easy to initiate too and another benefit of grouping up.

In the OP I suggest that the scaling be associated with battle leveling.

Gidorick wrote: »

This scaling could be associated with the Battle Level toggle so players could be allowed to turn battle level off and they will not be scaled, and will not receive XP for killing mobs too far beneath their level.

Additionally, if the Battle Level is toggled off, Mobs that are more than 10 levels below a character's level should just completely ignore the player unless the player agros them. (Idea is courtesy of @Psychobunni!)

I'll make the point clearer. Thanks @Teiji.

I would prefer them to NOT do this if it's not an optional toggle! ZOS force leveling us would be terrible!

Chuggernaut wrote: »

The monsters should scale up, not players down. Post Coldharbor finally, the players zone should be either as difficult as Cadwell's Silver/Gold or more difficult than Gold.

Yeah, this is a better idea than scaling anything down. I think the simplest thing for the devs to do is to scale all three zones to Cadwell Gold levels (VR6-VR10) when Cadwell's quest is completed. What I think would be BEST is if all zones were scaled to Craglorn levels (VR11-VR14) when Cadwell's is completed.

Eversquet 2 has a optional mentor system.
You can have a character with level cap and group with low level.
If you active mentor, your level will temporarily match the person you are mentoring. That way friends can play together with the same challenge.
If you play TESO for 1, 2 years and a close friend start playing it today, with a mentor system you can play with your friend using the same character and both will level together and your friend will get a little xp boost.

http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Mentoring i love that system

It would be nice something similar in TESO

Gidorick wrote: »

That is a good idea @dreatern, but that idea is really addressing a different issue.

I'm currently curious if the Silver and Gold are seperate instances of the Zones. I've never ran through them. I prefer to go though them with alts. Do you know @Emma_Eunjung, @Chuggernaut?

Yes! Silver is VR1 -VR5, and Gold is VR6-VR10

Instead of scaling down i made a post about this that is currently up. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/183979/add-instance-dungeons-and-higher-difficutly-options/p1

Suggestions: First off i love the game, having said that there are some things ..easy things that will drastically improve all player's exp.

1. PVE difficulty .
This is a huge issue, while the story is good, the combat is no challenge at all. There is no reason to have to make tactical choices based on if your playing solo or in duo/group. You can slap any skills together with any base equipment and be a god. Either a change needs to be made to the overall difficulty or you need to be able to choose an option to level scale quests/dungeons/increase difficultly(this will allow players to customize there experience). (There is the occasional good fight, which is what i would love to see a lot more of)
2. Adding Instance dungeons.
Yes this is an MMO and you expect to see playing roaming the world. But what ends up happening is you walk into a random dungeon and are met with 4 players already inside who have cleared the enemy's and boss away. I cant tell you how often i am in a duo with my brother and i say this phrase" Lets give it 3-4min, 4players just ran through" My suggestion is add an option that each dungeon (All Dungeons) that requires you to zone, Can be played Public (default) or in a Instance (solo/group). When You go to zone in it should prompt you with a choice.

I prefer to destroy the low level mobs. Plus when i am farming the low level mats i do not want to deal with mobs that are equal to my level. So i am totally against a system like this. But if its a choice then i would have nothing to complain about.

Gidorick wrote: »

That is a good idea @dreatern, but that idea is really addressing a different issue.

I'm currently curious if the Silver and Gold are seperate instances of the Zones. I've never ran through them. I prefer to go though them with alts. Do you know @Emma_Eunjung, @Chuggernaut?

Yeah, they are different instances. I've been through all three as both a Cadwell-questing Veteran and a "fresh" soul-shriven, and let me tell you, it's quite a different experience. The level 1-50 instances are much more crowded, which is a good thing, in my opinion.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

That is a good idea @dreatern, but that idea is really addressing a different issue.

I'm currently curious if the Silver and Gold are seperate instances of the Zones. I've never ran through them. I prefer to go though them with alts. Do you know @Emma_Eunjung, @Chuggernaut?

Yeah, they are different instances. I've been through all three as both a Cadwell-questing Veteran and a "fresh" soul-shriven, and let me tell you, it's quite a different experience. The level 1-50 instances are much more crowded, which is a good thing, in my opinion.

Then for the original 1-50 zones to act as silver and gold, wouldn't they have to be new instances of those zones?

I would be fine with that as long as the achievements from the 1-50 were carried over. A "Caldwell's Bronze" would be fine with me.

Of course, once you get to VR14, you'd outlevel most of Bronze, Silver, and Gold, putting you back in the same boat of being too high a level for the mobs in the area.

What then? Same issue we have with 1-50. Unplayable content.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

That is a good idea @dreatern, but that idea is really addressing a different issue.

I'm currently curious if the Silver and Gold are seperate instances of the Zones. I've never ran through them. I prefer to go though them with alts. Do you know @Emma_Eunjung, @Chuggernaut?

Yeah, they are different instances. I've been through all three as both a Cadwell-questing Veteran and a "fresh" soul-shriven, and let me tell you, it's quite a different experience. The level 1-50 instances are much more crowded, which is a good thing, in my opinion.

Then for the original 1-50 zones to act as silver and gold, wouldn't they have to be new instances of those zones?

I would be fine with that as long as the achievements from the 1-50 were carried over. A "Caldwell's Bronze" would be fine with me.

Of course, once you get to VR14, you'd outlevel most of Bronze, Silver, and Gold, putting you back in the same boat of being too high a level for the mobs in the area.

What then? Same issue we have with 1-50. Unplayable content.

Yeah, that's why I suggested that it would be better to level them all to Craglorn levels after you finish Cadwell's. All three zones scaled to VR11-VR14 would give us plenty of grinding spots, at least.

Ooh ok. I'd be totally cool with that as long as all the progression carried over. Intetesting idea!

@OP yes please

I believe they stated the DLC will scale similar to how battle leveling works in Cyrodil for non vet players, so you can go and do that DLC content right away but you may still have a hard time of it even with the inflated stats.

That said, I would have no issue with the level scaling in either direction with some caveats. In previous ES titles certains areas were locked to various levels so to honor that maybe assign zones with a modifier. This modifier could keep the enemies leveled above you but within a range. This sort of scaling would still make exploring zones ahead of where you "should" be (the idea I should or shouldn't be somewhere in an ES game kinda boggles my mind) but provides an incentive to level up first or you can test your mettle against dangerous enemies at anytime.

Providing more ways for players to tackle the content as they please isn't a bad thing in my book. For those who have repeated any number of these quests several teams perhaps just the thing to combat the leveling funk is allow them to complete the quests in any order they please to take the game off its rails just a bit.

This sort of system is full of risks to be sure and would need to be ironed out, but it's never a bad idea to try.

I'm not sure whether I like think it's overall a good idea or not, but one case where this would be really nice is if a friend with a lower level character wants me to play with them, but I don't have a low level character in that alliance and I don't want to just smash everything and prevent them from really doing anything if I come along, but I don't really want to just stand around watching them fight stuff either.... It would be handy to have an option to scale down so I could join a friend in a lower level area and have fun with them without feeling really out of place. (Sure to some extent you can make a lower level alternate but... it's not like slots are limitless.) I don't care as much about XP gain from such ventures, as I care about just not being able to really play, you can get yourself a weapon that does less damage than normal, but all your spells and abilities will still be overkill.

I do rather like the mention of really low enemies just ignoring you (or perhaps cowering or fleeing, hehe) if I just want to hurry through an area to check a guild store or visit a crafting station it can be really annoying wasting time batting away all the flies that aren't going to drop anything or serve any purpose but slowing me down. But.... then again that may not be a great idea in the bigger picture. On the one hand it would let me not have to clear out a path that someone of a lower level might have wanted to actually get some xp and loot from but I just 'stole' it by charging through the area, but on the other hand it would feel pretty annoying to be hacking away at an enemy as a low level person yourself while a high rank person strolls through unhindered to get a chest or something, so.... maybe not the best plan. I don't know.

Honestly @Marcusstratus, chest stealing occurs now with on-level characters. It would happen but I really don't see that as being a reason not to implement a leveling system. If ZOS were really concerned about chest stealing they could institute instanced chests or more frequent respawns.