Also, just to clarify...I don't want voice chat removed. I think it's great for groups and dungeons. But there is simply no way to deny that it absolutely sucks for area chat. Guild chat isn't the greatest either, but that kind of depends on how big the guild is, as well as the maturity level of the people in those guilds.

So in short, keep voice chat but give the option for text chat as well.

Text chat please.

Nobody wants to hear the randoms in area chat though. It's 90% trolls, 10% immature kids making moronic jokes about the male reproductive organ. Literally. I haven't heard a single conversation in game chat yet that didn't have some little kid yelling or grown man sexually harassing someone, or background noise so bad you couldn't hear what the person was saying if the raid depended on it. Sure, Voice chat is definitely needed for raids and whatnot - but when you're not in a raid it's just an inconvenience.

markt84 wrote: »

If you have social issues, maybe a mmo isn't for you. I don't want to play with anyone that doesn't talk. They are useless in the group. You are actually below a random, because at least you can hear the random in area chat

Just wrong in every aspect, i would never play with you in a group,with that attitude^^

Text is a basic feature that brings so many benefits:

-Combat Log for theorycrafting ( improve even more your class ) a lot like that as a sort of extra endgame, to push the maximum out on dps/heal/dmg mitigation.

-Several communication methods that are missing right now ( trades, conversations with multiple persons,listen to music to not bother others and still be able to communicate etc all listed in this thread )

-For people who are a little shy and women the preferable communication way at first ( still a lot of people cant handle womens in videogames, sadly )

and etc ( refference at the awesome people who posted so far, and not trolling or just s**t talk )

Is text chat really any different? You do realize that you can turn off area chat, right? Having text chat wouldn't solve any of the issues you describe.

Yes, you can turn off Voice chat - and then have no way to communicate with the people that you do want to hear from. Without Text communication you either "deal with the harassment" or are relinquished to no communication. So yes, it would in fact resolve the issues I described. I wouldn't have to "hear" it.

It's also easier to ignore a line of text then actual talking or yelling. Text communication doesnt prevent me from hearing an NPC talking to me, Voice chat does. Text chat doesn't prevent me from seeing what someone is saying, but when 8 people are talking in the area voice chat, I can barely make out who's who.

Like I said in my original post, there's nothing anyone can say against text communication that can possibly trump the plethora of benefits that it gives as an available option.

mikey27 wrote: »

IIRC they had a text box done and coded, but pulled it near launch because they thought VC would be better, so it really is a 5 minute job to get a text box in game, I would say over 90% of consoles players would want or wouldnt mind text chat. It wont harm the game at all...

Plus i have social anxiety, so when talking to strangers, if 2 people on mic are speaking no way i would involve myself in their convo, but if it was on text chat i may do.

LOL no such thing as 5 minute thing when coding.

Archon12976 wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

If you have social issues, maybe a mmo isn't for you. I don't want to play with anyone that doesn't talk. They are useless in the group. You are actually below a random, because at least you can hear the random in area chat

Normally I would ignore a statement like this, but as the father of five kids I feel a little compelled to.

You're statement is not only rude, but ignorant as well. Two of my kids have social issues (ADHD and Autism) and they have EVERY right to play an MMO. In fact, they both played WoW, DCUO, and (although not really an MMO) Marvel Heroes. They are playing Tera now. You know what? All of them have text chat, and they both play those games very well. ESPECIALLY in groups...calling people like my kids useless in groups is something that never should have been put in writing. They have medical ailments that prevent them from being verbally social, and as a human being you should NEVER say or imply that they are "below" you for any reason.

Well said sir and am sure your kids are awesome and a handful at same time.

Jaronking wrote: »

Amiculi wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Another thing if they add chat text the players who don't want it and turn it off will splits up the community even more between the ones who want a chat box and the the ones who want only voice.For me and others if we turn off the chat box then the players who only use chat box will be separate from the ones who do not want to use it.The community is already split up into 3 alliances adding a chat box will splinter the community even more between the ones who won't use it and the ones who will.

One last thing if you want the community to be strong and for the game to do will then lets build up a community in the game with what we have already. That won't happen by splitting the community into two groups. In my honest opinion anyone can disagree with me but I believe adding it will kill the game more then not having text chat by splitting the community into 2 the game will die even quicker.

Are you implying that those of us who just turn off voice chat aren't already splitting it?

If anything that just means we'll join voice chat when there's something going on that necessitates it, i.e., groups running dungeons/pvp/whatever.

As is we're all deaf and dumb insofar as communication goes.

Also, my friend ran into someone out in the middle of nowhere lastnight having sex with their mic on in area chat... soooo that's just great.

No I am not but it seems most people who turn off voice chat also want text chat added from what I seen.So I grouped them together.

That's most of the games content right now what's the point of text chat?If most of the game content Trails/dungeons/PVP then what is the need for voice chat other then for trading. It seems most people want text chat to make trading easier for yourselves.

If we were all Deaf and dumb how would we be able to play the game or even use the chat box?I want to know how are you getting that from my post?Would you like for me to call you Deaf and Db would that make you feel better?

Well the person was at least being considerate and going to the middle of no where to do.The player probably thought no one would come their when he did its not like he did it in the middle of daggerfall.

I referred to those of us who turn the voice chat off as a matter of course deaf and dumb for all intents and purposes, not everyone, not you. I can't speak or be spoken to in that situation.

Tre_775 wrote: »

ShadowProctor wrote: »

Nobody wants to hear the randoms in area chat though. It's 90% trolls, 10% immature kids making moronic jokes about the male reproductive organ. Literally. I haven't heard a single conversation in game chat yet that didn't have some little kid yelling or grown man sexually harassing someone, or background noise so bad you couldn't hear what the person was saying if the raid depended on it. Sure, Voice chat is definitely needed for raids and whatnot - but when you're not in a raid it's just an inconvenience.

Is text chat really any different? You do realize that you can turn off area chat, right? Having text chat wouldn't solve any of the issues you describe.

You can't hear text chat. It's much less offensive when people type rude things in all caps in a little side window than when they shout it directly in your ear at high volumes.

There's surely some news paper you can't stand the headlines on for whatever reason, but the newspaper doesn't float off the rack and vocalize its terrible opinions directly into your ear.

Just saying, it's easier to ignore idiots who aren't audibly talking over the top of your own thoughts.

[Edit: I should add, this is without completely shutting down all communication. Some of us still want to communicate, just on our own terms. I also like to hear quest dialog and not "oh f*** you b**** I'm not going to run clear over there again, this is a stupid f***ing quest" over the top of it. Text log would be doubly useful since they could have somewhere to put NPC subtitles too, then even if some jagoff is talking over it I can tell what was said]

Tre_775 wrote: »

ShadowProctor wrote: »

Is text chat really any different? You do realize that you can turn off area chat, right? Having text chat wouldn't solve any of the issues you describe.

Yes, you can turn off Voice chat - and then have no way to communicate with the people that you do want to hear from. Without Text communication you either "deal with the harassment" or are relinquished to no communication.

Please re-read my post. I wrote that you can turn off Area chat, which seems to be the channel that's annoying most people (including myself) so much. That still leaves you with Guild and Party chats, which are great tools to communicate with the people you want to hear from. Text chat will do nothing to stop trolls from harassing people, making racist comments, hitting on women, etc. It would only give them a broader audience on global channels. If you're experiencing this kind of hate in guild voice channels then you might want to consider finding another guild. I'm not saying that there aren't valid arguments for adding text chat, only that trolls and azzhats in voice isn't one of them.

At some point someone will understand that no one thinks there wont be trolls and idiots in text chat.

Its just that WE DONT HAVE TO TURN THAT OFF COMPLETELY, while that is the ONLY solution for voice area chat. To completely abandon it.

It's quite easy to ignore that line of racist , moronic , juvenile crap in .003 secs as your eyes scan past it , but you still get to read the many statements by people on the other side of the zone in text chat that you want to read , want to get to know and will never hear them in area voice chat unless you happen to be right next to them

Text chat allows you to communicate more , in a wider area , and no one can legitimately try and argue that having 4 or 5 people saying annoying things in text chat is just as annoying as 4 or 5 people screaming in area voice chat repeatedly.

i like how people entertain these horrible arguments against text chat. Text chat and combat log are needed and then content to go with it or this game will die just like on pc sad truth because i really do like this game.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]

Tre_775 wrote: »

Amiculi wrote: »

You can't hear text chat. It's much less offensive when people type rude things in all caps in a little side window than when they shout it directly in your ear at high volumes.

That really comes down to one's own sensitivities. I'd say someone calling me the n-word or talking about how they did my mom last night are equally offensive in text or voice.

True, I'm not bothered by foul language myself, but I am bothered by useless noise. They can espouse all the idiocy they want in text and I can still get the useful stuff out of the chat, not so in voice chat. It just takes ONE person with no manners to ruin the mere potential to communicate in voice chat.

Let's just accept the face for some reason someone way up on the developers team made a bad decision and didn't understand how some people can be and how it would affect the community. Which is weird because without a great community there is really no MMO!

Amiculi wrote: »

Tre_775 wrote: »

Amiculi wrote: »

You can't hear text chat. It's much less offensive when people type rude things in all caps in a little side window than when they shout it directly in your ear at high volumes.

That really comes down to one's own sensitivities. I'd say someone calling me the n-word or talking about how they did my mom last night are equally offensive in text or voice.

True, I'm not bothered by foul language myself, but I am bothered by useless noise. They can espouse all the idiocy they want in text and I can still get the useful stuff out of the chat, not so in voice chat. It just takes ONE person with no manners to ruin the mere potential to communicate in voice chat.

I suspect that a number of those who are so strongly against merely having the option of text chat available to console players are among those who enjoy assaulting the ears of their fellow players with foul language and similar trolling.

They keep talking about a small chat window affecting their immersion. The devs have taken the trouble to make a great background soundtrack and sound effects and hearing some punk blast obscenities into my ears destroys it for me.

Their only other argument has been to effectively state that text chat will be much more popular and they won't have as many people to voice chat with. But if they had even played one other console MMO they would know that this isn't the case -- it's just used where it is most effective. Voice chat is great with a small group of friends in a guild or in a situation like a raid, it is horrible for larger areas like the open world. Text chat is vital for basic MMO activities like LFG, Trade, RPing, etc.

Shunravi wrote: »

Tre_775 wrote: »

ShadowProctor wrote: »

Nobody wants to hear the randoms in area chat though. It's 90% trolls, 10% immature kids making moronic jokes about the male reproductive organ. Literally. I haven't heard a single conversation in game chat yet that didn't have some little kid yelling or grown man sexually harassing someone, or background noise so bad you couldn't hear what the person was saying if the raid depended on it. Sure, Voice chat is definitely needed for raids and whatnot - but when you're not in a raid it's just an inconvenience.

Is text chat really any different? You do realize that you can turn off area chat, right? Having text chat wouldn't solve any of the issues you describe.

one is a little box that is easy to ignore on the side of your screen. the other is the entirety of one of your primary senses. i don't consider that the same.

So sight is not a primary sense anymore?

BigM wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Tre_775 wrote: »

ShadowProctor wrote: »

Nobody wants to hear the randoms in area chat though. It's 90% trolls, 10% immature kids making moronic jokes about the male reproductive organ. Literally. I haven't heard a single conversation in game chat yet that didn't have some little kid yelling or grown man sexually harassing someone, or background noise so bad you couldn't hear what the person was saying if the raid depended on it. Sure, Voice chat is definitely needed for raids and whatnot - but when you're not in a raid it's just an inconvenience.

Is text chat really any different? You do realize that you can turn off area chat, right? Having text chat wouldn't solve any of the issues you describe.

one is a little box that is easy to ignore on the side of your screen. the other is the entirety of one of your primary senses. i don't consider that the same.

So sight is not a primary sense anymore?

So you don't see a difference to yelling and hearing things in you're ear that is offensive and things people want to ignore, compared to a fast glance and ignore it?

If you're asking if I would rather hear something offensive vs see something offensive, I would have say neither. And if that's what you're trying to argue then we have all lost sight of reality.

This thread is probably the most spam filled offensive thread in the forums. It has become what you all are arguing against. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Every last one of you.