Why? WHY has this not been fixed?

Gidorick · June 2015

You can't tell me that, in the past year, there hasn't been enough time or resources to make and add TWO additional skeletons to the game. Sure, I get not having time to go through the entire game to replace a bunch of skeletons in the game but when the skeleton EXPLICITLY says it's an Argonian, or the player uses the Skeleton Polymorph and they are an Argonian or Khajiit the skeleton should reflect the race it's supposed to.

Yinmaigao · June 2015

@Gidorick I know you hate this answer, but there is soooooooooo much other stuff broken now that I think they are just in "damage control" mode.

I know it sucks, but hopefully it gets fixed some day?

RazzPitazz · June 2015

It could be an issue of copy and paste code.
If hey only have one skeleton model then anytime there is a skeleton in game they just use reference code to pull it from the main module. That means they do not actually rewrite the code to pull that model, they just call it from another string.
IF this is the case then they would need to go back and put int the code for the new models and specifically find the new ones and rewrite the references.
Not exactly super hard but more time consuming.

Reverb · June 2015

Is the polymorph supposed to be the players own skeleton, or are we taking on the form of another when we don the guise? Its been so long since I've done that quest that I honestly don't remember the setup for it, but if we're given somebody elses form it makes sense to not have racial specific skeletons.

If not, I agree. Khajiit wants a tail and the right skull shape. Also costumes with sandals that don't give Khajiit human toes, those are just weird.

Faugaun · June 2015

Yinmaigao wrote: »

@Gidorick I know you hate this answer, but there is soooooooooo much other stuff broken now that I think they are just in "damage control" mode.

I know it sucks, but hopefully it gets fixed some day?

And the animators and graphic artists are sooooo poo busy fixing the programming stuff....completely separate departments ....

Now I hope the answer is "we couldn't spare them from the new content teams" but I'm doubtful on that one...

Waralchemist · June 2015

Reverb wrote: »

Is the polymorph supposed to be the players own skeleton, or are we taking on the form of another when we don the guise? Its been so long since I've done that quest that I honestly don't remember the setup for it, but if we're given somebody elses form it makes sense to not have racial specific skeletons.

If not, I agree. Khajiit wants a tail and the right skull shape. Also costumes with sandals that don't give Khajiit human toes, those are just weird.

Just did this quest, it's the players skeleton.

WillhelmBlack · June 2015

Meme time

shiva7663 · June 2015

This is what we get for their laying off talent a while back. Lack of dev agility.

RazzPitazz · June 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

Yinmaigao wrote: »

@Gidorick I know you hate this answer, but there is soooooooooo much other stuff broken now that I think they are just in "damage control" mode.

I know it sucks, but hopefully it gets fixed some day?

And the animators and graphic artists are sooooo poo busy fixing the programming stuff....completely separate departments ....

Now I hope the answer is "we couldn't spare them from the new content teams" but I'm doubtful on that one...

Your are probably more correct than you think. Imperial city is the only DLC that is graphically finished at this point with Orsinium close behind. There are still Clockwork city, Abbahs Landing, and Mephalas Realm along with the two unfinished guilds and the motifs/drop sets to go with all of them.

Shunravi · June 2015

Waralchemist wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Is the polymorph supposed to be the players own skeleton, or are we taking on the form of another when we don the guise? Its been so long since I've done that quest that I honestly don't remember the setup for it, but if we're given somebody elses form it makes sense to not have racial specific skeletons.

If not, I agree. Khajiit wants a tail and the right skull shape. Also costumes with sandals that don't give Khajiit human toes, those are just weird.

Just did this quest, it's the players skeleton.

*it's supposed to be.

What it really is is a male Breton skeleton. (You can tell because it defaults your dance to male Bretton.)

firstdecan · June 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

You can't tell me that, in the past year, there hasn't been enough time or resources to make and add TWO additional skeletons to the game. Sure, I get not having time to go through the entire game to replace a bunch of skeletons in the game but when the skeleton EXPLICITLY says it's an Argonian, or the player uses the Skeleton Polymorph and they are an Argonian or Khajiit the skeleton should reflect the race it's supposed to.

In case you haven't noticed, ZoS is too busy making changes no one wants instead of making changes that make sense.

They could have easily fixed this, but they instead decided to focus on armor reskins that make the characters look uglier.

nimander99 · June 2015

A Khajit skeleton would still not have a tail and I cant remember if lizards tails are cartilage or not but if its cartilage the argonians would not have a skeleton tail either. It's just the skulls that have always bugged me personally.

markt84 · June 2015

And why does a lot of the grass in the game look the same? I mean geeez get with. Like they aren't hard at work on so much more important things

nimander99 · June 2015

markt84 wrote: »

And why does a lot of the grass in the game look the same? I mean geeez get with. Like they aren't hard at work on so much more important things

Dude the grass drives me bonkers, go to a place with sparse grass then zoom away from your char and spin the camera slowly while watching the grass, all the grass circles with your camera which basically means we only ever see one side of the grass.

Now this can drive other people crazy too

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · June 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

A Khajit skeleton would still not have a tail

Umm... why not? Feline tails have quite a lot of bone in them.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f6/d6/8f/f6d68fb283fe50ae11406dd33b0050ee.jpg
Granted, that's an ordinary house cat, but I'd think Khajit skeletons should have a tail.

Krombie · June 2015

Small changes make a better game, true ZOS needs to fix some more important stuff first...

markt84 · June 2015

Hahaha get over it. How about this, let them get the imperial city, theives guild, and dark brother hood DLC or DLCs done, then you can start crying about minor details in the game that aggriate you for whatever reason. Oh yeah and wait until they get that bear available. I def want to be able to ride that bear before they start fixing BS things people are upset about

MCMancub · June 2015

I don't think any of TES games had differing skeletons, but I may be wrong. Why start now?

SLy_Kyti · June 2015

markt84 wrote: »

Hahaha get over it. How about this, let them get the imperial city, theives guild, and dark brother hood DLC or DLCs done, then you can start crying about minor details in the game that aggriate you for whatever reason. Oh yeah and wait until they get that bear available. I def want to be able to ride that bear before they start fixing BS things people are upset about

Get over it?

When the new content you listed is added, those too will be just as full of bugs and missing or barely-there content.
When a game is released for over a year, polishing the game is what you do while working on other content. Bug fixes, details, details, details.
Being able to play a different race is one of the keys to the games marketing. The wrong skelton gives one the feeling the character has been playing disguised as another race.
Having purchased an immersive game, the OP is quite right in valuing the immersion. Not everyone grinds & skips dialog.
Not everyone beats the spouse for complaining. Some have compassion or keep their mouth closed.

The bottom line is - it's not an either-or situation. The Company has made millions. They can afford to do more than one thing at a time. Like fix broken stuff and cater to the console crowd.

markt84 · June 2015

-THIS IS NOT A BUG

-The year was spent fixing the PC buged out version, while trying to get the Xbox and PS game finished

-You are a different race, I'm going take a wild guess that your kajiit looks nothing like my imperial character. I mean NOTHING like it

-So your saying the game isn't immersive because you don't get to see a skeleton that looks like you? Wow

-And sorry I got you in your feelings

Gidorick · June 2015

I'm not saying it's a bug. I'm saying that it shows poor design and lazy execution, and ZOS should have higher standards than to have a human skeleton in game for a character that is supposed to be an Argonian skeleton.

This is akin to having a quest in the game where you talk to an Orc, but the "Orc" is an Altmer. or a quest where you rescue a damsel in distress and the damsel has a female voice, is called "She" but has a male character model.

If it doesn't bother you @markt84, that's fine. Good for you. But it bothers some of us and we are voicing our concerns. This was mentioned in the VERY beginning of the game.... the fact that ZOS hasn't fixed it makes it appear as if ZOS has a lack of consideration for the community and for the integrity of their own game.

It just seems amateurish. Did they think we wouldn't notice? Did they think we wouldn't care? Do they care if we care? I bet we have spent more time, collectively, talking about these damned skeletons than it would have taken ZOS to actually make 2 more skeletons and place them in the game.

Senet · June 2015

You know when I read this thread I said, "Hey yeah.... why aren't I seeing skeletons that look Argonian, Khaajit, etc."

Then I started thinking about it and I don't remember seeing anything but a standard human skeleton in any of the stand alone games either. hmmm.

AnAngryGinger · June 2015

Khajiit has no time for you.

MCMancub · June 2015

Senet wrote: »

You know when I read this thread I said, "Hey yeah.... why aren't I seeing skeletons that look Argonian, Khaajit, etc."

Then I started thinking about it and I don't remember seeing anything but a standard human skeleton in any of the stand alone games either. hmmm.

Because there aren't. It wasn't a ZOS design decision. That's just how it's always been in TES.

markt84 · June 2015

Ok I get that it's something that was overlooked, but I'm saying it's just a minor detail. And the game doesn't look like they were lazy at all while designing it. My real point is that these guys are hard at work on so much more important things at the moment. Now if they can spare 2 dudes to do this while not slowing down the dlc and bug fixes at ALL then I'm cool with them fixing this for people that it bothers. I just don't think this is an issue that should be addressed if it holds up any other project at all

BigM · June 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

You can't tell me that, in the past year, there hasn't been enough time or resources to make and add TWO additional skeletons to the game. Sure, I get not having time to go through the entire game to replace a bunch of skeletons in the game but when the skeleton EXPLICITLY says it's an Argonian, or the player uses the Skeleton Polymorph and they are an Argonian or Khajiit the skeleton should reflect the race it's supposed to.

Haven't we learned nothing in the last year my friend!

Gidorick · June 2015

lol. yea @BigM... I know. But I'm still going to complain about it.

And @Senet and @MCMancub, there haven't been but have there been situations where your character is transmogrified into a skeleton or a talking skeleton is given a specific race identification?

MCMancub · June 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

lol. yea @BigM... I know. But I'm still going to complain about it.

And @Senet and @MCMancub, there haven't been but have there been situations where your character is transmogrified into a skeleton or a talking skeleton is given a specific race identification?

No clue. I was just stating that it probably wasn't something ZOS considered since it isn't a detail that has been thought about consistently throughout the TES games.

Gidorick · June 2015

MCMancub wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

lol. yea @BigM... I know. But I'm still going to complain about it.

And @Senet and @MCMancub, there haven't been but have there been situations where your character is transmogrified into a skeleton or a talking skeleton is given a specific race identification?

No clue. I was just stating that it probably wasn't something ZOS considered since it isn't a detail that has been thought about consistently throughout the TES games.

I'm not sure if they thought that much about it. In this thread (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/170845/the-top-ten-elder-scrolls-tropes-missing-from-the-elder-scrolls-online/p1) I go over some of the things that have become part of what makes an Elder Scrolls game an Elder Scrolls game that are just outright missing from ESO.

Gidorick wrote: »

Recently, I was considering what aspects of previous Elder Scrolls games are missing from The Elder Scrolls Online and thought it would make an interesting Top Ten list. I have linked threads that I have created on many of these topics.

Not included because the content has been announced or will more than likely be added
Dark Brotherhood

Thieves Guild

Housing

The Top Ten Elder Scrolls Tropes Missing From the Elder Scrolls Online
10: Poisons: Slow and steady damage to enemies that can be added to weapons and arrows.
09: Consumable Arrows: Special arrows (such as poisoned), of which the player has a limited number.
08: Followers: NPCs that the player can hire to join them during their journey.
07: Jails: A place where players can wait out their sentence instead of paying a bounty. Includes quests and jailbreak missions.
06: Unarmed Combat: Fisticuffs, to include various types of fist weaponry like brass knuckles.
05: Useable Furniture (Chairs, Beds, Ladders,etc.): Allow us to sit in chairs, lay in beds, and put items INTO containers.
04: Over-encumbrance: Allow players to carry more than their capacity, with slow-down effects and potions to make our burden lighter.
03: Underwater environments: Underwater exploration/treasure hunting/quests are a must... combat isn't.
02: Torches: To be accompanied by darker environments.
01: Player Created Content: I said it before, but this is absolutely vital to the long term success of ESO.

Honorable Mention:
Children

The need to rest

What feature from the TES series do you feel is missing from ESO and how do you think ESO could benefit from the addition of that feature?

Gidorick · July 2015

Just a few more pictures because... well... because it's annoying that they didn't bother making the content for this quest.