Drazhar14 wrote: »

What's broken is the gap between people with lots of champion points and new players. They made the passives way too strong. If people want to grind their life away, that's their choice though. That being said, they should buff experience gain from actually playing the game.

If they decrease the XP greatly for mobs, then we have the game becomes silly as people leveling just run past mobs to finish content. I remember seeing a lot of that at launch in dungeons when people felt mobs were giving enough XP to be worth killing.

Perhaps they need to level VR more strictly so that if you are VR14, you don't get XP for mobs in Cyrodiil and VR Zones except for one-time bosses, like group bosses or bosses in dungeons (the first time you kill them).

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

What's broken is the gap between people with lots of champion points and new players. They made the passives way too strong. If people want to grind their life away, that's their choice though. That being said, they should buff experience gain from actually playing the game.

If they decrease the XP greatly for mobs, then we have the game becomes silly as people leveling just run past mobs to finish content. I remember seeing a lot of that at launch in dungeons when people felt mobs were giving enough XP to be worth killing.

Perhaps they need to level VR more strictly so that if you are VR14, you don't get XP for mobs in Cyrodiil and VR Zones except for one-time bosses, like group bosses or bosses in dungeons (the first time you kill them).

They just need to boost XP for regular enemies so that an hour of doing the daily dungeon, or questing in Bruma, or running around Riften doing nothing particular can possibly equal the XP you would get from 1 hour of circling a Cyrodiil delve. I don't think many people really care about the grinding giving good XP, it's the fact that it's the ONLY place to get good XP that is the problem. 1 hr of my time should be worth the same XP no matter how I decide to spend it, obviously you can't just sit around chatting and expect tons of XP, but doing a vet dungeon shouldn't be less attractive than mindlessly killing zombies.

Shrug. I know a couple people with 700 plus CP. From my perspective, it's their prerogative to grind like they have. I don't have the patience for it. I could have done it too but I made a choice not to grind for a month and a half strait.

Thing is there is diminishing return on CP so while it's an advantage I don't see it as an overwhelming advantage. The person that has 1200 points vs the one with 3500 points in the future isn't going to be too terribly distant from the later powerwise.

From my experience most min-max grinders burn out and leave the game for another soon enough. I wouldn't stress it OP.

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

The CP system is a short sighted fail. Even if I wanted to come back to this game (I mainly did pvp), I couldn't because I'm so far behind on CP points I'll never compete with others that have continued to play the game every day. The longer I don't play, the worse it gets, and the chances of picking up the game again get slim to none.

this right her for me also

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I really don't understand the issue here. If someone has the time to put into it why shouldn't they be rewarded respectively? Since when did we become so entitled that everyone has to equal?

This is an mmo. Some people have more time to play than others. That's life. Get used to it. If someone dedicated 5 hours a day 7 days a week to playing an mmo of course they will be ahead and it's reasonable that they should be. They dedicated more time to it. Sorry that you can't catch up. Make a life change so you too can play five hours a day 7 days a week.There problem solved.

There is absolutely no system that can be created to make everyone equal because people wanted to be rewarded for their time. If people aren't rewarded for their time than their is no incentive to play. Just make everyone vr 14 and give everyone the best gear and max champion points. Where is the fun in that?

No
Disclaimer I've only played 2 mmos this and Tera
Before 1.6 there was no gear gap really if you could afford it you could buy the top notch gear or craft it yourself within a coupe weeks, with a few days grinding undaunted crap you could get the sets you needed as well, this more or less made everyone equal with gear THIS is what i enjoyed about the game, gear meant nothing. There was a massive SKILL gap between players it was easy to sort out the skilled and the great players from the poor, they had nothing special it was just pure skill and how they played which is what made this game great and made sense to me at least. Now this game rewards people who grind out 70 days and will have a large bonus is power and stats against newcomers and people returning. I know for a fact people will be sitting at 400+, I having quit around 170 will never reach the amount they have and its *** that it turns into being less about skill and more about just time

Alcast wrote: »

im at 244 CP....
oh And ZOS said the CP is capped at 300/month....3fuking00.....like who the f...did the math..../ZOSLOGIC

lol right.

Maybe that calculation was done with the theoretical amount proposed by all the beta testers of 100k/CP?

that dude must be at 800 cp ALREADY now with EXP pots :DDDDDDDDDD

So the simple solution is to have PvP, quests and dailies give more CP.

Juraigr wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

The CP system is a short sighted fail. Even if I wanted to come back to this game (I mainly did pvp), I couldn't because I'm so far behind on CP points I'll never compete with others that have continued to play the game every day. The longer I don't play, the worse it gets, and the chances of picking up the game again get slim to none.

this right her for me also

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I really don't understand the issue here. If someone has the time to put into it why shouldn't they be rewarded respectively? Since when did we become so entitled that everyone has to equal?

This is an mmo. Some people have more time to play than others. That's life. Get used to it. If someone dedicated 5 hours a day 7 days a week to playing an mmo of course they will be ahead and it's reasonable that they should be. They dedicated more time to it. Sorry that you can't catch up. Make a life change so you too can play five hours a day 7 days a week.There problem solved.

There is absolutely no system that can be created to make everyone equal because people wanted to be rewarded for their time. If people aren't rewarded for their time than their is no incentive to play. Just make everyone vr 14 and give everyone the best gear and max champion points. Where is the fun in that?

No
Disclaimer I've only played 2 mmos this and Tera
Before 1.6 there was no gear gap really if you could afford it you could buy the top notch gear or craft it yourself within a coupe weeks, with a few days grinding undaunted crap you could get the sets you needed as well, this more or less made everyone equal with gear THIS is what i enjoyed about the game, gear meant nothing. There was a massive SKILL gap between players it was easy to sort out the skilled and the great players from the poor, they had nothing special it was just pure skill and how they played which is what made this game great and made sense to me at least. Now this game rewards people who grind out 70 days and will have a large bonus is power and stats against newcomers and people returning. I know for a fact people will be sitting at 400+, I having quit around 170 will never reach the amount they have and its *** that it turns into being less about skill and more about just time

There is absolutely no MMO system that does not involve a time sink for progression. If you want instant gratification and everyone to be instantly equal in level to test your skill, go play a game like Forge. The reality of the situation is some people have more time than others. No matter what system is in place, someone will always be ahead. To use your example, I bet in Pre-1.6, some lowly Vr 1 was frustrated because they died to your Vr 14. Like you, they rationalized that they just didn't have the time to grind 1.4 mill vet xp to get to Vr 14. Skill had little to do with it. Gear means a lot. There is and was a huge difference between Vr 1 sets and Vr 14. See what I did there?

I have no problems with a game that rewards those that have the fortitude to grind mind numbingly at nauseam. That is their choice and should be rewarded as such in game. Just remember that these players are probably not independently wealthy and are either failing or sacrificing something in real life due to their insane addiction to grinding 24/7 10 hours a day in their sickening quest to have the most CP. The likelihood is, it is a very small percentage of people that can sacrifice their life or afford to play like this. People on these forums are wigging out, getting panic and anxiety attacks over not being able to compete with a very small percentage of the player base, in addition to a system with diminishing returns. Relax dude, you have 10 years to play catch up if this game last as long as the average mmo. I guarantee that the guy who is playing 24/7 8 hours a day isn't going to be around for 10 years. That type of lifestyle cannot be maintained.

No, my problem is not with the grindinding or CP system, but the fact that there is no PVE questing alternative and that PVP doesn't reward enough to compensate.

3 months farming in a cave to get 700 cp makes the system flawed?

I dont think so.

R0M2K wrote: »

3 months farming in a cave to get 700 cp makes the system flawed?

I dont think so.

The only flaw is that those guys dont have own leadeboard, who gives a damn about DSA or Trials after people see these CP grinders.

ESO obviously have a competitive overdose, way too much of it. Too bad they dont realize it. When competitive players start to fill up these forums, that leads to OP-gears/advantages too.

Daybreak Company, start hyping ENQ, we are ready to move!

Don't worry. When paid content comes out and it gives better xp at lower risk then there will be a new wave of complaints from subbed versus non.

The question that will be answered then is whether or not the hardcore grinders can afford to buy the new content.

Hilarious that people are complaining about grinding CP when it's one of the few things that ANYONE can do whenever they want... what could be more fair than that? I bet if some of you had your way, the only way to get CP would be to do Trials with your 11 buddies/wives/frat brothers or to become PvP Emperor with your zerging guild...

#&@% THAT!

You know what I see when I look at the OP's screenshot? I see a player who worked his butt off and paid his dues. Instead of getting jealous and bitching about a "power gap" or whatever, I admire the guy for his determination. Heck, I'm so inspired, I might just spend the rest of the day grinding. See you at 3600 CP!

Random new player: "LF guild to do trials"
Guild: "How many CP you got?"
Random new player: "I am at 22CP atm"
Guild: "Uhhhh sry mate, not enough, we require at least 200 CP to players that want to join"

Random new player walks away then, jumps off the next bridge in Cyrodiil and quits the game. /endofstory

XP gained through killing players should be doubled for Champion Points, if they managed to code that.