Console text chat discussion

Raash · June 2015

Ive changed my mind on the subject, please do add a chat box.

Why? Since people apparently are scared to use such alien technology as a mic for whatever reasons like shyness, social distubances, rp (I can understand the rp issues regarding female characters wich would definatly show that "Tessytess the kahjiitgurl" & 99% of them are infact guys and not girls).
Everyone should have a decent shot of playing the game no matter how strange you are and what you prefer.

Mirra_Halfelven · June 2015

Raash wrote: »

Ive changed my mind on the subject, please do add a chat box.

Why? Since people apparently are scared to use such alien technology as a mic for whatever reasons like shyness, social distubances, rp (I can understand the rp issues regarding female characters wich would definatly show that "Tessytess the kahjiitgurl" & 99% of them are infact guys and not girls).
Everyone should have a decent shot of playing the game no matter how strange you are and what you prefer.

I'm a guy playing a female toon & I want text chat ... It's not because I want to hide the fact that I'm a guy or anything, in fact I like & use voice chat in groups & dungeon runs.

BUT, I freaking hate voice area & guild chat ... text chat is much better for those, as well as for zone chat for selling /buying, looking for people to group with for dungeons, dolmans, world bosses, asking questions & helping out others, etc...

Daishin15 · June 2015

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Raash · June 2015

Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Ive changed my mind on the subject, please do add a chat box.

Why? Since people apparently are scared to use such alien technology as a mic for whatever reasons like shyness, social distubances, rp (I can understand the rp issues regarding female characters wich would definatly show that "Tessytess the kahjiitgurl" & 99% of them are infact guys and not girls).
Everyone should have a decent shot of playing the game no matter how strange you are and what you prefer.

I'm a guy playing a female toon & I want text chat ... It's not because I want to hide the fact that I'm a guy or anything, in fact I like & use voice chat in groups & dungeon runs.

BUT, I freaking hate voice area & guild chat ... text chat is much better for those, as well as for zone chat for selling /buying, looking for people to group with for dungeons, dolmans, world bosses, asking questions & helping out others, etc...

Yeah exactly wich is why I think guys like you (or girls wanting to impersonate men)shouldnt be forced to show your wierdness, I wholeheartly agree. Its an rpg after all.

Germal · June 2015

Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Thats your way to see it, but doesnt work for guilds with 100 + members so well. And it wouldnt be a downgrade, a 2 option to communicate is a 100 % upgrade ( other benefits listed in this thread )

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2015

Raash wrote: »

Ive changed my mind on the subject, please do add a chat box.

Why? Since people apparently are scared to use such alien technology as a mic for whatever reasons like shyness, social distubances, rp (I can understand the rp issues regarding female characters wich would definatly show that "Tessytess the kahjiitgurl" & 99% of them are infact guys and not girls).
Everyone should have a decent shot of playing the game no matter how strange you are and what you prefer.

Yup deaf and mute people are scared to use a mic....By all means. Keep throwing out futile and moronic reasons why a Text Chat option on Console is a bad thing and VOIP only is a good thing.

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2015

Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

You mean bring it back. Its a core function for communication on PC. They removed it because they had the bright idea of shoving VOIP only down our throats.

Ive got nothing against VOIP being in the game. Its a nice feature for those that dont have friends playing ESOTU and want to chat with others. But beyond Dungeon Runs and Grouping. It falls flat when players have no means of using mic and still need to communicate.

Raash · June 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Ive changed my mind on the subject, please do add a chat box.

Why? Since people apparently are scared to use such alien technology as a mic for whatever reasons like shyness, social distubances, rp (I can understand the rp issues regarding female characters wich would definatly show that "Tessytess the kahjiitgurl" & 99% of them are infact guys and not girls).
Everyone should have a decent shot of playing the game no matter how strange you are and what you prefer.

Yup deaf and mute people are scared to use a mic....By all means. Keep throwing out futile and moronic reasons why a Text Chat option on Console is a bad thing and VOIP only is a good thing.

You make it sound like the majority is deaf and mute? You got official numbers on that?

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2015

Raash wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Ive changed my mind on the subject, please do add a chat box.

Why? Since people apparently are scared to use such alien technology as a mic for whatever reasons like shyness, social distubances, rp (I can understand the rp issues regarding female characters wich would definatly show that "Tessytess the kahjiitgurl" & 99% of them are infact guys and not girls).
Everyone should have a decent shot of playing the game no matter how strange you are and what you prefer.

Yup deaf and mute people are scared to use a mic....By all means. Keep throwing out futile and moronic reasons why a Text Chat option on Console is a bad thing and VOIP only is a good thing.

You make it sound like the majority is deaf and mute? You got official numbers on that?

You got an official number on all those 'weirdos'? Thought so.

Mirra_Halfelven · June 2015

Raash wrote: »

Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Ive changed my mind on the subject, please do add a chat box.

Why? Since people apparently are scared to use such alien technology as a mic for whatever reasons like shyness, social distubances, rp (I can understand the rp issues regarding female characters wich would definatly show that "Tessytess the kahjiitgurl" & 99% of them are infact guys and not girls).
Everyone should have a decent shot of playing the game no matter how strange you are and what you prefer.

I'm a guy playing a female toon & I want text chat ... It's not because I want to hide the fact that I'm a guy or anything, in fact I like & use voice chat in groups & dungeon runs.

BUT, I freaking hate voice area & guild chat ... text chat is much better for those, as well as for zone chat for selling /buying, looking for people to group with for dungeons, dolmans, world bosses, asking questions & helping out others, etc...

Yeah exactly wich is why I think guys like you (or girls wanting to impersonate men)shouldnt be forced to show your wierdness, I wholeheartly agree. Its an rpg after all.

So I'm "showing my wierdness" because I rather play a female toon??? I guess all the guys that buy all the Tomb Raider games are "wierd" too?

Uberkull · June 2015

Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Try being a GM of 2 guilds in this game, with over 700 people. Unmanageable with single channel voice chat.

Raash · June 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Ive changed my mind on the subject, please do add a chat box.

Why? Since people apparently are scared to use such alien technology as a mic for whatever reasons like shyness, social distubances, rp (I can understand the rp issues regarding female characters wich would definatly show that "Tessytess the kahjiitgurl" & 99% of them are infact guys and not girls).
Everyone should have a decent shot of playing the game no matter how strange you are and what you prefer.

Yup deaf and mute people are scared to use a mic....By all means. Keep throwing out futile and moronic reasons why a Text Chat option on Console is a bad thing and VOIP only is a good thing.

You make it sound like the majority is deaf and mute? You got official numbers on that?

You got an official number on all those 'weirdos'? Thought so.

Nope just got confirmation on one about 45 mins ago.
I dont care how many or few they are, they deserve to play the game how they want.

anyway, hope you guys get what you want. Good luck!

StaticWax · June 2015

Dahkoht wrote: »

Would like to see what smart-ass , and juvenile excuse the speakers for not wanting anyone to have the text chat option have for leaving out the deaf and mute players of the world who for years have used mmo's as a place that they can be a part of.

I posted this in another thread , and suggest everyone take 2 mins out of their life to watch this segment of a video documentary , and see why text chat is an option needed.

This fine fellow , a member of the gaming community for years who writes on gaming sites like the Escapist and many other blogs , is kept from playing because of the no text chat decision.

youtube.com/watch?v=V_2FycHamfA&t=72m36s

Verbophobia.

pr0sh4wn123 · June 2015

@Raash I want you to be my friend. -climbs on you-

StaticWax · June 2015

uberkull wrote: »

Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Try being a GM of 2 guilds in this game, with over 700 people. Unmanageable with single channel voice chat.

Perhaps this game is designed will smaller, more communal guilds in mind. Personally, my preference is to stay away from giant, faceless guilds who will take anybody & play with a select group of folks where everyone knows everybody & enjoys their company.

But, hey - to each their own.

Orthodoxa · June 2015

Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Even in your argument against text communication, you tacitly admit that it is necessary to be able to fully enjoy the game.

How so? You tell people that they should come here and use these forums to find a guild. These forums, where everything is communicated in text.

If you were consistent, you would demand that all text be removed from this site and it be changed into a voice chat room where hundreds of people would be screaming at each other and it would be impossible to understand most statements and highly unpleasant -- just like in the game currently.

Raash · June 2015

pr0sh4wn123 wrote: »

@Raash I want you to be my friend. -climbs on you-

Lol haha, lone wolves like me rarely make friends, but I guess exceptions could be made from time to time
☺

I hope you like skeevers mate, thats the only thing I eat.

edit:half the stuff I wrote didnt get in when I posted first.

J2JMC · June 2015

Gonna go off topic here

What exactly is wrong with voice rp in comparison to text rp? I'm no rp or mmo expert but I see zero difference (aside from hearing/speaking as opposed to reading/typing obviously). I'm genuinely curious as it was mentioned more than once.

Ace_of_Destiny · June 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

Gonna go off topic here
.

Please, don't.
This is the last "Text" topic the Mods have left open.
If it closes they will just claim that "every other one about text had to be closed" and the subject will become "bannable" content.

Orthodoxa · June 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

Gonna go off topic here

What exactly is wrong with voice rp in comparison to text rp? I'm no rp or mmo expert but I see zero difference (aside from hearing/speaking as opposed to reading/typing obviously). I'm genuinely curious as it was mentioned more than once.

The most obvious difficulty would be if the player had a character which had little resemblance to their real self.

I.E., a 14 year old girl playing as a large Nord adult male, etc. It would break immersion for RPers to hear a voice that doesn't fit the character that it is connected to.

Uberkull · June 2015

StaticWax wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Try being a GM of 2 guilds in this game, with over 700 people. Unmanageable with single channel voice chat.

Perhaps this game is designed will smaller, more communal guilds in mind. Personally, my preference is to stay away from giant, faceless guilds who will take anybody & play with a select group of folks where everyone knows everybody & enjoys their company.

But, hey - to each their own.

Funny, seems ZOS didn't agree with you. 500 member limit, forced Trade guilds to buy and sell through guild traders.

Visemere · June 2015

PS4 User.

I want text chat please. means i can sell my services as a blacksmith, advise in pvp and generally have the full mmo experience.

anyone saying chat only on console obviously hasnt tried public chat, its dire, full of idiots, shouting, belching, swearing, this game sux comments and the usual *** you can avoid by not using voice comms.

chat box please.

Pawkette · June 2015

I'm really impressed that there's no chat window. I'm not sure it means a lot, but I think text chat is really inefficient. ESO is one of the first to try not having it, and I think they did well.

Benefits:

UX wise it's much easier to process voice than it is to read and process text.
Removes a large UI element that can be a burden on display space.
Adds a reason to actually be near one another.
Don't have to deal with gold spam.
Moves the industry forward! Death to the chat window

If I could suggest some changes though, I'd probably do something like~

Add a quick means to switch between voice channels.
Add a quick means to mute the last speaker, accumulated mutes result in that person being silenced for a period of time with a notification that people are not enjoying their mic.
Try adding a filter that can detect long incoherent noise and mute it, I don't know if any tech like this exists.

Sidney · June 2015

Pawkette wrote: »

I'm really impressed that there's no chat window. I'm not sure it means a lot, but I think text chat is really inefficient. ESO is one of the first to try not having it, and I think they did well.

Benefits:
UX wise it's much easier to process voice than it is to read and process text.

Removes a large UI element that can be a burden on display space.

Adds a reason to actually be near one another.

Don't have to deal with gold spam.

Moves the industry forward! Death to the chat window

If I could suggest some changes though, I'd probably do something like~
Add a quick means to switch between voice channels.

Add a quick means to mute the last speaker, accumulated mutes result in that person being silenced for a period of time with a notification that people are not enjoying their mic.

Try adding a filter that can detect long incoherent noise and mute it, I don't know if any tech like this exists.

Once again people forget about the word optional. Deaf people shouldn't be allowed to communicate because you worry about gold spam. How about instead of asking for selfish features, people ask for choices so you can disable your chat and live in your deaf people free world while they still get to enjoy the game and be social.

Pawkette · June 2015

@Sidney I think you've got a very valid point, but given the platform it's antithetical to the concept of simplicity and stream lined use. Adding text chat then splinters the community and forces some people to utilize a feature they aren't particularly interested in using.

Consoles are certainly not known for their broad accessibility in terms of communication, and text chat is not a common feature to the platform. If you are looking to participate in a community built around text, I would direct you towards the PC / Mac version of the game.

Ace_of_Destiny · June 2015

Pawkette wrote: »

@Sidney I think you've got a very valid point, but given the platform it's antithetical to the concept of simplicity and stream lined use. Adding text chat then splinters the community and forces some people to utilize a feature they aren't particularly interested in using.

Consoles are certainly not known for their broad accessibility in terms of communication, and text chat is not a common feature to the platform. If you are looking to participate in a community built around text, I would direct you towards the PC / Mac version of the game.

Get Him Guys!

PS: Console MMOs have been around for a while...and had Text Chat for just as long.

Shunravi · June 2015

@Pawkette text chat is a common feature in every other mmo on console.

tallenn · June 2015

I have a proposed solution that would address the issue of test too small.

Make text chat a separate screen, that pops up when you select it from the menu. It would overlay the main screen, somewhat like the map, but bigger, so that you would typically not use it while adventuring, but only while your in a safe place, like a town, or in between battles.

The top half of the screen would be the text box, and the bottom half would be an on-screen keyboard (optional, so if you have a usb keyboard, or just want to read the chat, you could use the whole screen for the chat box).

It would be used for trading, forming groups, and just general chatting. For communication while adventuring, PvPing, or dungeoning, voice chat would be the way to go.

As for the issue of it being difficult to use text chat with a controller... isn't that our decision to make?

Thumbdunked · June 2015

Pawkette wrote: »

I'm really impressed that there's no chat window. I'm not sure it means a lot, but I think text chat is really inefficient. ESO is one of the first to try not having it, and I think they did well.

Benefits:
UX wise it's much easier to process voice than it is to read and process text.

Removes a large UI element that can be a burden on display space.

Adds a reason to actually be near one another.

Don't have to deal with gold spam.

Moves the industry forward! Death to the chat window

If I could suggest some changes though, I'd probably do something like~
Add a quick means to switch between voice channels.

Add a quick means to mute the last speaker, accumulated mutes result in that person being silenced for a period of time with a notification that people are not enjoying their mic.

Try adding a filter that can detect long incoherent noise and mute it, I don't know if any tech like this exists.

You may find text chat inefficient but to me its a necessity, im deaf in the right ear and although i can hear out of my left ear it is very sensative. We arent asking them to get rid of voip and we arent asking you to use or even view the text chat it should be a toggled feature for those that need/want it.

Pawkette · June 2015

@Ace-2112, @Shunravi I'm not speaking to the precedent of other genre similar titles, but the platform as a whole. Text is not the preferred communication method on the platform and presents many accessibility issues. Most players don't have a keyboard attached to their console, most players probably aren't seated in a way that it would be effective to have a keyboard, and switching from keyboard to gamepad during high intensity play is pretty damn inefficient.

I don't want text chat, and I don't want to be made to use it when playing a console game.

(oh and I'm a chick)