coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

Before I start let me tell you that this is not meant to be antagonistic. But this is not WoW or other games that make orcs out to be barely above beasts. Orcs are already defined by TES lore.

If ESO didn't want to follow WoW and other games....wouldn't Orcs be more magic based? Plus increased running speed while wearing the heaviest armor in the game and having a bulky build doesn't even make gravitational sense....

Elder Scrolls lore predates WoW

Think about that for a while.

Here goes orc lore since ESO is cannon to the rest of the elder scrolls games, hopefully don't get in trouble but read this and enjoy, just ignore the references to the third empire and you know who thee orcs are in current elder scrolls online times.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Orc

Shineko wrote: »

Elder Scrolls lore predates WoW

Think about that for a while.

To be fair, in early TES lore Orcs were portrayed as beasts more similar to goblins than the playable races.

Natives of Orsinium who Worship the Daedric Prince known as Malacath as their God Ancestor/Father. Malacath is considered on of the most evil Daedric princes due to his affiliation with the House of Troubles.

Orcs are known to be fast-moving bloodthirsty, combat hungry berserkers who are probably born with high stamina, greater height, and overall strength than most races... simply natural...then they train and fight... and they become predators that can chase down horse riders while wearing 62KG of armor.

For as long as they've existed, it seems they've known war.

First of all, Orcs in ESO should be defined by ESO Lore; nothing else.

The use of fairly common literary trope does not mean that every use must be defined by all previous uses.

But if were to be that way we need to stop thinking about WoW, and Warhammer (although Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay was just brilliant) and look at Lord Of The Rings.

Wherein orcs are strongly rumoured to be corrupted elves.

All The Best

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

First of all, Orcs in ESO should be defined by ESO Lore; nothing else.

The use of fairly common literary trope does not mean that every use must be defined by all previous uses.

But if were to be that way we need to stop thinking about WoW, and Warhammer (although Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay was just brilliant) and look at Lord Of The Rings.

Wherein orcs are strongly rumoured to be corrupted elves.

All The Best

I see what you did there!

Orcs, on the battlefield, are shock troops. They are heavily armed and armored, barreling at a breakneck speed with intent to break necks.
Orcs are the sturdiest warriors and finest smiths in the land, their works sought out across all of Tamriel.
Their origins lie in the Altmer and the old god, Trinimac.
But that is a story for another day.


The Orsimer fit my image of them perfectly. Of course, the Orsimer shaped my image of them. Can't wait to see Orsinium in the Wrothgar expansion!

Lorebit:

Ffastyl wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

First of all, Orcs in ESO should be defined by ESO Lore; nothing else.

The use of fairly common literary trope does not mean that every use must be defined by all previous uses.

But if were to be that way we need to stop thinking about WoW, and Warhammer (although Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay was just brilliant) and look at Lord Of The Rings.

Wherein orcs are strongly rumoured to be corrupted elves.

All The Best

I see what you did there!

Orcs, on the battlefield, are shock troops. They are heavily armed and armored, barreling at a breakneck speed with intent to break necks.
Orcs are the sturdiest warriors and finest smiths in the land, their works sought out across all of Tamriel.
Their origins lie in the Altmer and the old god, Trinimac.
But that is a story for another day.


The Orsimer fit my image of them perfectly. Of course, the Orsimer shaped my image of them. Can't wait to see Orsinium in the Wrothgar expansion!

Lorebit:

Altmer
Bosmer
Dunmer
Orsimer
Manmer

Mer is elven for elf. The prefixes denote which type of elf.
Alt - high
Bos - wood
Dun - dark
Orsi - (I have not found a translation for this prefix. Orsimer is either translated as Pariah Folk or Orc.)
Man - man (Referring to the Bretons, a race born from Altmer in High Rock intermating with their Nedic slaves to form half elves in the Merethic Era. As the "mongrel race" interbred with its own kind, their appearance shifted toward man.)

Nice and doubt a lot understand why they get called beast and how extensive the one curse is, but nice you mention that.

And has can't wait for the expasion, and even though is a hope that I shouldn't have, really hope the justice system in the orc town and holds is done correctly either pay in blood or gold, so people don't have to die outright just stand there and get bled out till the amount is reach given the hp stuff now a-days could work lovely just be time consuming to bleed out that much health

Kaide wrote: »

To ESO Devs an Orc is a graceful gazelle tanks....sprinting through the wilderness while wearing plate armor, and running circles around the groups of mobs he's tanking.

To me it's a bloodthirsty savage beast...who moves slowly due to his bulky build and heavy armor. The more damage he takes the more damage he dishes out....from becoming enraged!

What is an Orc to you? Hopefully this will help us define new Orc racials.

Fun fact:

There was a point in Beta where races apparently had Ultimates, which were later taken out of the game. Apparently, people complained that such Ultimates meant players would be limited in terms of choosing certain races for certain builds and the idea was nixed all together.

Had they been left in in the original format, Orc may have had:

...
Orcs
Ultimate
Bezerker Rage - Increase damage by 50% for 15 seconds
...

Excerpted out of this thread: http://www.tesof.com/topic-new-racial-skill-info--6100 (think it is from before the NDA was lifted)

RedTalon wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Shineko wrote: »

Elder Scrolls lore predates WoW

Think about that for a while.

To be fair, in early TES lore Orcs were portrayed as beasts more similar to goblins than the playable races.

Most of the younger people never played arena or daggerfall so can't see how orc lore has been fleshed out over the years

Doubt most know one of DC's starting isles was in one of the adventure games for elder scrolls.

Crypt of Hearts 4 person Dungeon in Rivenspire was the final dungeon for Shadowkey.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Shadowkey:Crypt_of_Hearts_I

driosketch wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Shineko wrote: »

Elder Scrolls lore predates WoW

Think about that for a while.

To be fair, in early TES lore Orcs were portrayed as beasts more similar to goblins than the playable races.

In TES II they still had language and their own classes, similar to humanoid NPCs, and on the occasional quest would have dialogue.

One of the endings of Daggerfall (it is to my comprehension that all endings are considered to be true due to the Warp In The West despite them contrasting each other) allows the player to provide control of the Numidium to the Orc tribes who use it to claim land as their own in Orsinium.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6zwadlQTUc

Under the command Gortwog, Numidium destroys the other powers of Iliac Bay: Daggerfall, Sentinal and Wayrest. The new orcish homeland is carved out for Orsinium. And the Empire will never be able to dispute Gorthwog's claim to orcish equality.

(Transcript taken from: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/ending-orsinium )

Samadhi wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Shineko wrote: »

Elder Scrolls lore predates WoW

Think about that for a while.

To be fair, in early TES lore Orcs were portrayed as beasts more similar to goblins than the playable races.

Most of the younger people never played arena or daggerfall so can't see how orc lore has been fleshed out over the years

Doubt most know one of DC's starting isles was in one of the adventure games for elder scrolls.

Crypt of Hearts 4 person Dungeon in Rivenspire was the final dungeon for Shadowkey.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Shadowkey:Crypt_of_Hearts_I

Talking about something else from a different adventure game, sorry was using tags for what this type of games are consider action adventure

was more thinking even more back then shadow key, was thinking a little known game called redguard

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Redguard:Redguard

Samadhi wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Shineko wrote: »

Elder Scrolls lore predates WoW

Think about that for a while.

To be fair, in early TES lore Orcs were portrayed as beasts more similar to goblins than the playable races.

Most of the younger people never played arena or daggerfall so can't see how orc lore has been fleshed out over the years

Doubt most know one of DC's starting isles was in one of the adventure games for elder scrolls.

Crypt of Hearts 4 person Dungeon in Rivenspire was the final dungeon for Shadowkey.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Shadowkey:Crypt_of_Hearts_I

Talking about something else from a different adventure game, sorry was using tags for what this type of games are consider action adventure

was more thinking even more back then shadow key, was thinking a little known game called redguard

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Redguard:Redguard

My apologies for my lack of clarity; comprehended what reference you were making to Redguard.
Was meaning the mention of Crypt of Hearts to be another additional tidbit.

Yeah daggerfall has a ton of areas from old games even more so then the other factions ep, but then most of the games that have reference points in older elder scrolls stuff aren't known by a lot, but see what you mean now.