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What is an Orc?
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To ESO Devs an Orc is a graceful gazelle tanks....sprinting through the wilderness while wearing plate armor, and running circles around the groups of mobs he's tanking.
To me it's a bloodthirsty savage beast...who moves slowly due to his bulky build and heavy armor. The more damage he takes the more damage he dishes out....from becoming enraged!
What is an Orc to you? Hopefully this will help us define new Orc racials.
Edited by Kaide on June 14, 2015 5:28PM To me it's a bloodthirsty savage beast...who moves slowly due to his bulky build and heavy armor. The more damage he takes the more damage he dishes out....from becoming enraged!
What is an Orc to you? Hopefully this will help us define new Orc racials.
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Before I start let me tell you that this is not meant to be antagonistic. But this is not WoW or other games that make orcs out to be barely above beasts. Orcs are already defined by TES lore.Edited by coryevans_3b14_ESO on June 14, 2015 5:28PM1 -
Kaide✭✭✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »
Before I start let me tell you that this is not meant to be antagonistic. But this is not WoW or other games that make orcs out to be barely above beasts. Orcs are already defined by TES lore.
If ESO didn't want to follow WoW and other games....wouldn't Orcs be more magic based? Plus increased running speed while wearing the heaviest armor in the game and having a bulky build doesn't even make gravitational sense....
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✭✭✭✭✭Orcs, aka orsimer, are elves. Corrupted elves.
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✭Here goes orc lore since ESO is cannon to the rest of the elder scrolls games, hopefully don't get in trouble but read this and enjoy, just ignore the references to the third empire and you know who thee orcs are in current elder scrolls online times.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Orc
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Warhammer orcs are very different even from wow orcs, cause of that whole waaagh thing and how it works, plus 40k orcs are fungi So they have a few types of orcs in both fantasy and 40k that are different, but won't go into detail on that since this isn't a warhammer gameEdited by RedTalon on June 14, 2015 5:58PM0 -
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To be fair, in early TES lore Orcs were portrayed as beasts more similar to goblins than the playable races.Elder Scrolls lore predates WoW
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Most of the younger people never played arena or daggerfall so can't see how orc lore has been fleshed out over the years
Doubt most know one of DC's starting isles was in one of the adventure games for elder scrolls.Edited by RedTalon on June 14, 2015 5:44PM0 -
Gabriel_Froste✭✭✭Natives of Orsinium who Worship the Daedric Prince known as Malacath as their God Ancestor/Father. Malacath is considered on of the most evil Daedric princes due to his affiliation with the House of Troubles.
Orcs are known to be fast-moving bloodthirsty, combat hungry berserkers who are probably born with high stamina, greater height, and overall strength than most races... simply natural...then they train and fight... and they become predators that can chase down horse riders while wearing 62KG of armor.
For as long as they've existed, it seems they've known war.Edited by Gabriel_Froste on June 14, 2015 5:56PMPlease Refer to my Blacksmith Manual
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✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »
Before I start let me tell you that this is not meant to be antagonistic. But this is not WoW or other games that make orcs out to be barely above beasts. Orcs are already defined by TES lore.
If ESO didn't want to follow WoW and other games....wouldn't Orcs be more magic based?
TES lore predates WoW. Stahp already. Orc lore is already defined
Since you answered this in context to the thread you are adding to the debate about changing orc passives based on the fact that orcs should be slow lumbering beasts. STAHP!!!0 -
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✭✭First of all, Orcs in ESO should be defined by ESO Lore; nothing else.
The use of fairly common literary trope does not mean that every use must be defined by all previous uses.
But if were to be that way we need to stop thinking about WoW, and Warhammer (although Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay was just brilliant) and look at Lord Of The Rings.
Wherein orcs are strongly rumoured to be corrupted elves.
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In TES II they still had language and their own classes, similar to humanoid NPCs, and on the occasional quest would have dialogue.
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I was thinking about Arena - and really, just the fact that their lore changed over time.driosketch wrote: »
In TES II they still had language and their own classes, similar to humanoid NPCs, and on the occasional quest would have dialogue.Edited by Rosveen on June 14, 2015 6:28PM0 -
Ffastyl✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »First of all, Orcs in ESO should be defined by ESO Lore; nothing else.
The use of fairly common literary trope does not mean that every use must be defined by all previous uses.
But if were to be that way we need to stop thinking about WoW, and Warhammer (although Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay was just brilliant) and look at Lord Of The Rings.
Wherein orcs are strongly rumoured to be corrupted elves.
All The Best
I see what you did there!
Orcs, on the battlefield, are shock troops. They are heavily armed and armored, barreling at a breakneck speed with intent to break necks.
Orcs are the sturdiest warriors and finest smiths in the land, their works sought out across all of Tamriel.
Their origins lie in the Altmer and the old god, Trinimac.
But that is a story for another day.
The Orsimer fit my image of them perfectly. Of course, the Orsimer shaped my image of them. Can't wait to see Orsinium in the Wrothgar expansion!
Lorebit:Altmer
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Mer is elven for elf. The prefixes denote which type of elf.
Alt - high
Bos - wood
Dun - dark
Orsi - (I have not found a translation for this prefix. Orsimer is either translated as Pariah Folk or Orc.)
Man - man (Referring to the Bretons, a race born from Altmer in High Rock intermating with their Nedic slaves to form half elves in the Merethic Era. As the "mongrel race" interbred with its own kind, their appearance shifted toward man.)"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
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What is an Orc to you? Hopefully this will help us define new Orc racials.
A pig person. I made the biggest, fattest, ugliest one it would allow me, named her PiG Bunny and slapped her in pink armor....as a storage alt.
She hit the delete bin though, 8 simply isn't enough slots. Edited by Psychobunni on June 14, 2015 6:39PMIf options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!0 -
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✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »First of all, Orcs in ESO should be defined by ESO Lore; nothing else.
The use of fairly common literary trope does not mean that every use must be defined by all previous uses.
But if were to be that way we need to stop thinking about WoW, and Warhammer (although Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay was just brilliant) and look at Lord Of The Rings.
Wherein orcs are strongly rumoured to be corrupted elves.
All The Best
I see what you did there!
Orcs, on the battlefield, are shock troops. They are heavily armed and armored, barreling at a breakneck speed with intent to break necks.
Orcs are the sturdiest warriors and finest smiths in the land, their works sought out across all of Tamriel.
Their origins lie in the Altmer and the old god, Trinimac.
But that is a story for another day.
The Orsimer fit my image of them perfectly. Of course, the Orsimer shaped my image of them. Can't wait to see Orsinium in the Wrothgar expansion!
Lorebit:Altmer
Bosmer
Dunmer
Orsimer
Manmer
Mer is elven for elf. The prefixes denote which type of elf.
Alt - high
Bos - wood
Dun - dark
Orsi - (I have not found a translation for this prefix. Orsimer is either translated as Pariah Folk or Orc.)
Man - man (Referring to the Bretons, a race born from Altmer in High Rock intermating with their Nedic slaves to form half elves in the Merethic Era. As the "mongrel race" interbred with its own kind, their appearance shifted toward man.)
Nice and doubt a lot understand why they get called beast and how extensive the one curse is, but nice you mention that.
And has can't wait for the expasion, and even though is a hope that I shouldn't have, really hope the justice system in the orc town and holds is done correctly either pay in blood or gold, so people don't have to die outright just stand there and get bled out till the amount is reach given the hp stuff now a-days could work lovely just be time consuming to bleed out that much healthEdited by RedTalon on June 14, 2015 6:43PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭To ESO Devs an Orc is a graceful gazelle tanks....sprinting through the wilderness while wearing plate armor, and running circles around the groups of mobs he's tanking.
To me it's a bloodthirsty savage beast...who moves slowly due to his bulky build and heavy armor. The more damage he takes the more damage he dishes out....from becoming enraged!
What is an Orc to you? Hopefully this will help us define new Orc racials.
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✭✭✭To ESO Devs an Orc is a graceful gazelle tanks....sprinting through the wilderness while wearing plate armor, and running circles around the groups of mobs he's tanking.
To me it's a bloodthirsty savage beast...who moves slowly due to his bulky build and heavy armor. The more damage he takes the more damage he dishes out....from becoming enraged!
What is an Orc to you? Hopefully this will help us define new Orc racials.
Fun fact:
There was a point in Beta where races apparently had Ultimates, which were later taken out of the game. Apparently, people complained that such Ultimates meant players would be limited in terms of choosing certain races for certain builds and the idea was nixed all together.
Had they been left in in the original format, Orc may have had:...
Orcs
Ultimate
Bezerker Rage - Increase damage by 50% for 15 seconds
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✭✭✭Orsimer in The elder scrolls lore are just fuggly mer.After that they can do and be whatever the cheese butterflies they want.Edited by PBpsy on June 14, 2015 7:06PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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Most of the younger people never played arena or daggerfall so can't see how orc lore has been fleshed out over the years
Doubt most know one of DC's starting isles was in one of the adventure games for elder scrolls.
Crypt of Hearts 4 person Dungeon in Rivenspire was the final dungeon for Shadowkey.
http://uesp.net/wiki/Shadowkey:Crypt_of_Hearts_I"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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✭Orsimer in The elder scrolls lore are just fuggly mer.After that they can do whatever the butterflies they want.
Given how they where created and for what purpose doubt they where going to come out pretty given the god from which they sprung and his areas, then getting beaten and twisted....sorta sounded like he was eaten and craped out differently and very ugly looking. But was a fitting punishment given who he crossedEdited by RedTalon on June 14, 2015 7:07PM0 -
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✭✭✭driosketch wrote: »
In TES II they still had language and their own classes, similar to humanoid NPCs, and on the occasional quest would have dialogue.
One of the endings of Daggerfall (it is to my comprehension that all endings are considered to be true due to the Warp In The West despite them contrasting each other) allows the player to provide control of the Numidium to the Orc tribes who use it to claim land as their own in Orsinium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6zwadlQTUc
(Transcript taken from: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/ending-orsinium )Under the command Gortwog, Numidium destroys the other powers of Iliac Bay: Daggerfall, Sentinal and Wayrest. The new orcish homeland is carved out for Orsinium. And the Empire will never be able to dispute Gorthwog's claim to orcish equality."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Aldmer
Orcs were once Aldmer, who were ancestors of most if not all of the elven races. They were corrupted and changed when the God they worshipped, Trinimac, was "eaten" by Boethiah and turned into Malacath.Edited by OtarTheMad on June 14, 2015 7:11PM0 -
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Most of the younger people never played arena or daggerfall so can't see how orc lore has been fleshed out over the years
Doubt most know one of DC's starting isles was in one of the adventure games for elder scrolls.
Crypt of Hearts 4 person Dungeon in Rivenspire was the final dungeon for Shadowkey.
http://uesp.net/wiki/Shadowkey:Crypt_of_Hearts_I
Talking about something else from a different adventure game, sorry was using tags for what this type of games are consider action adventure
was more thinking even more back then shadow key, was thinking a little known game called redguard
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Most of the younger people never played arena or daggerfall so can't see how orc lore has been fleshed out over the years
Doubt most know one of DC's starting isles was in one of the adventure games for elder scrolls.
Crypt of Hearts 4 person Dungeon in Rivenspire was the final dungeon for Shadowkey.
http://uesp.net/wiki/Shadowkey:Crypt_of_Hearts_I
Talking about something else from a different adventure game, sorry was using tags for what this type of games are consider action adventure
was more thinking even more back then shadow key, was thinking a little known game called redguard
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Redguard:Redguard
My apologies for my lack of clarity; comprehended what reference you were making to Redguard.
Was meaning the mention of Crypt of Hearts to be another additional tidbit.
"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Most of the younger people never played arena or daggerfall so can't see how orc lore has been fleshed out over the years
Doubt most know one of DC's starting isles was in one of the adventure games for elder scrolls.
Crypt of Hearts 4 person Dungeon in Rivenspire was the final dungeon for Shadowkey.
http://uesp.net/wiki/Shadowkey:Crypt_of_Hearts_I
Talking about something else from a different adventure game, sorry was using tags for what this type of games are consider action adventure
was more thinking even more back then shadow key, was thinking a little known game called redguard
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Redguard:Redguard
My apologies for my lack of clarity; comprehended what reference you were making to Redguard.
Was meaning the mention of Crypt of Hearts to be another additional tidbit.
Yeah daggerfall has a ton of areas from old games even more so then the other factions ep, but then most of the games that have reference points in older elder scrolls stuff aren't known by a lot, but see what you mean now.0
