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What about the DEAF & HEARING IMPAIRED players? Do you care about them?
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✭I think most hearing impaired people have already figured out they need to play games on PC vs consoles that are multiplayer.Force weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
Disable abilities while holding block.
Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.4 -
Pecivilis✭✭✭And it's not just about fitting into a mold, I have pain painstakingly taken my time to train players in this game that never PvE'd in any game before and just PvP'd in this one. I have sat for 30+ minutes in a normal vet dungeon between bosses to help them and talk to them about builds..or show them how to properly spell weave, plus many other things. I then took groups of those same players straight through all the end game content.
However when it comes to Progression raiding it takes a better than normal player, guild, and raid leader. I have always preferred Elitist Progression Raiding over normal casual play. For most it's not their cup of tea as it tends to be more demanding and has a higher chance of burning folk out.
If you are "painstakingly" taking time to tell players how to play a game the way that you think it should be played....and people are getting burned out. I'd suggest to stop micro managing.
I never told people what to do...because if you reach a point that you cannot progress they will make adjustments on their own if they want the group to progress. People aren't stupid...you don't have to walk them through how to play the entire game step by step...and say "my way is the only right way"...because its not. And there are people in this world who just might be smarter and more talented than you are at the same game. However, you come across as the type who would brush off their perspective...since your way is the right way. I take a different approach....and realize that once you get stuck at a certain point people will realize what needs to be done to succeed and make adjustments accordingly. With all the raid damage/healing tracking software...it doesn't take much for everyone to see where the issue is.
"Painstakingly" is not meant as bad thing..I meant it as I took a decent amount of time to answer all their questions and address certain things they could use help in. Also it's not "telling" it's showing, and the results spoke for themselves even before they thanked me, when on the next attempt or boss they did leaps and bounds better.
I am also not saying people are "stupid" , however people do not inherently know how to fix certain things or do things...hence why there are Guild leaders, captains and raid leaders..typically more knowledgeable and skill players of certain classes willing and able to help the less experienced players , nor are some good enough, if so every player in every game would figure it all out and clear every bit of content with little to know problems. There is no shame in that, and there is no issue in mentoring people through content, mechanics and Theory craft.
My response to the Healing and damage meter point...that's fine and dandy..that gives them a chance to base their standings off other players and know if they are falling sort...that doesn't automatically help them fix it...know what does though? A Helping hand that maybe was there at one point and already overcame that hurdle.
Also, I know my own limits, I could give you a list of folk I know personally or through playing against that are admittedly better than I am."Soon™ " - ZOS on TESOUSalty PC PlayerPecivilis - vr14 Breton Sorc - Magicka DPSGuild PvE Officer - The Fatal Legion- NA PvP - Chillrend0 -
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Instead of typing mid fight....
Why not just explain to the player through text in advance what to expect in the fight? And if changes need to be made based on the fight's phases....then can't you just assign that player to follow someone else...so that when they switch what theyre doing he/she switches at the same time?
This sounds more like people with little toleration for others needs...as opposed to something that can easily be resolved.
Is this your first MMO? Or have you been in and hard-core progression guilds / content before? It's perfectly ok if you haven't or if this is your first major MMO.
However boss strategies and fight sequences are much to complex to have to type every time. and simplifying following another player will not cut it in most circumstances.Especially if it's a fight where say..you have to be a safe distance away from other players at all times or the boss hits you with damage/ ground AoEs that scales if folk are to close (Celestial Mage's Chain lightning is just one example). If a person is to another close and can't hear me, chances are by the time I am able to stop what I am doing type it out and send it they and the others they are near are already dead. OR because I am now standing still and typing *I* am now standing stationary in a ground AoE and could be dead myself (or ganked if it's PvP).
This happens at the wrong moment (say right before the Burn Phase) and the folk that went down are a chunk of our DPS and or a healer the Raid is almost assuredly screwed and it's a wipe. Also if someone falls or I as the Raid leader has to suddenly adjust things differently from the normal strategy on the fly to make it through.
I routinely do vet pledges with PUGs and ask at the beginning if everyone knows the dungeon. If some people don't know it I explain each boss before we engage. It's a chore doing it again and again, but I don't mind doing it and have gotten praise for taking the time to teach others. The only situation where I'd consider not explaining each encounter is trials, but that's because I'm not really an expert in those.1 -
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I routinely do vet pledges with PUGs and ask at the beginning if everyone knows the dungeon. If some people don't know it I explain each boss before we engage. It's a chore doing it again and again, but I don't mind doing it and have gotten praise for taking the time to teach others. The only situation where I'd consider not explaining each encounter is trials, but that's because I'm not really an expert in those.
Understandable, and I did mention somewhere back in the thread in a previous post that there is a difference between Vet Pledges and Trials. Though honestly I do prefer doing Vet City of Ash with VoIP, especially if there are new folk.
"Soon™ " - ZOS on TESOUSalty PC PlayerPecivilis - vr14 Breton Sorc - Magicka DPSGuild PvE Officer - The Fatal Legion- NA PvP - Chillrend0 -
navyspeed✭✭✭Ok.. I HAVE to ask..
I have neither an XBox nor a Playstation. Last time I saw one, it did not come with a keyboard to input text. Inputting each letter thru a console interface would be scrolling up-down-right-left and selecting each letter in 5=6 row words banks sounds worse than Chinese water torture.
How do other games on those platforms handle chat boxes?
$20 US
Please show me where you plug in the MIC?0 -
Kaide✭✭✭Please show me where you plug in the MIC?
The new XBOX ONE controller releasing on June 16th will have new jacks. Also, the picture is an XBOX 360 controller...but its the same concept. The picture below it is the new XBOX ONE controller...the keyboard will have similar jacks
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lmao !Ok.. I HAVE to ask..
I have neither an XBox nor a Playstation. Last time I saw one, it did not come with a keyboard to input text. Inputting each letter thru a console interface would be scrolling up-down-right-left and selecting each letter in 5=6 row words banks sounds worse than Chinese water torture.
How do other games on those platforms handle chat boxes?
$20 US
Please show me where you plug in the MIC?
I heart you for this lol.
Wait you need to go buy the adapter...
There it is out..
Microsoft made a deal with ZOS.
ZOS agreed to not include chat box if MS allowed them to release the game in its current condition due to the fact that NeverWinter rolled out with very little problems and Cryptic even had the audacity to add a chat box and allow character naming! CHARACTER NAMING how dare they..
Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington1 -
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✭It is very frustrating when you see people who do not have any disabilities say that they don't even want players with disabilities to have a chat box option or that they'd kick them out of their raid/guild due to a slow down in progression. What is wrong with some of you? Seriously. You do realize that there are some players with hearing disabilities that would probably help you out way more in a raid than some of your players that can hear...if you just took 2 seconds out of your busy schedule to explain the fight in text...
I hope you never get injured...or you just might be the one the guild is kicking to the curb.
I agree 100%
I used to regularly raid with my guild in Lotro. Having voice chat was a rule if you wanted to take part. However, sometimes a guild member who was deaf sometimes came along and we obviously and very happily made an exception for him and we were more than happy to wait while the raid leader typed the instructions into chat for himm
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Whendim_ESO✭✭✭But it is simply not good business sense to needlessly alienate significant sections of your customer base
That's simply not true. I don't think that hearing impaired gamers are what anyone would call a "significant" customer base. I'm guessing it's a very insignificant population, a potential customer base that I'm guessing had no impact on the decision to not implement text chat whatsoever.
It appears the signifcant section of the customer base that were disregarded by ZOS are console players who want text chat. Putting oneself out there as the Champion of the Underserved Disabled Gamer Community is disingenuous. It's also not bringing anyone over to the Pro Text Chat lobby.0 -
Cernow✭✭✭✭Whendim_ESO wrote: »But it is simply not good business sense to needlessly alienate significant sections of your customer base
That's simply not true. I don't think that hearing impaired gamers are what anyone would call a "significant" customer base. I'm guessing it's a very insignificant population, a potential customer base that I'm guessing had no impact on the decision to not implement text chat whatsoever.
It appears the signifcant section of the customer base that were disregarded by ZOS are console players who want text chat. Putting oneself out there as the Champion of the Underserved Disabled Gamer Community is disingenuous. It's also not bringing anyone over to the Pro Text Chat lobby.
Nowhere did I say that hearing impaired gamers alone were a significant part of the player base. I mentioned that people wanted text chat for a whole range of reasons. You're just quoting that out of context to make your point, which in itself is disingenuous.
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Mirra_Halfelven✭✭✭Ok.. I HAVE to ask..
I have neither an XBox nor a Playstation. Last time I saw one, it did not come with a keyboard to input text. Inputting each letter thru a console interface would be scrolling up-down-right-left and selecting each letter in 5=6 row words banks sounds worse than Chinese water torture.
How do other games on those platforms handle chat boxes?
$20 US
The Xbox One also supports USB keyboards & smartglass.
The PS4 also supports Bluetooth & USB keyboards.
I use my bluetooth keyboard on my lapdesk when I need to text chat in DCUO or FFXIV on my PS4 with no problems whats so ever.Edited by Mirra_Halfelven on June 12, 2015 10:27PMMirra Halfelven, Templar Troublemaker
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Darlgon✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is very frustrating when you see people who do not have any disabilities say that they don't even want players with disabilities to have a chat box option or that they'd kick them out of their raid/guild due to a slow down in progression. What is wrong with some of you? Seriously. You do realize that there are some players with hearing disabilities that would probably help you out way more in a raid than some of your players that can hear...if you just took 2 seconds out of your busy schedule to explain the fight in text...
I hope you never get injured...or you just might be the one the guild is kicking to the curb.
I agree 100%
I used to regularly raid with my guild in Lotro. Having voice chat was a rule if you wanted to take part. However, sometimes a guild member who was deaf sometimes came along and we obviously and very happily made an exception for him and we were more than happy to wait while the raid leader typed the instructions into chat for himm
Lol.. our solution was to designate a "secretary" to type out what the raid leader said. Poor chap would get harrassed for not typing everything.
BTW, to put this discussion into perspective.. sorry, but the most handicapped person who ever played with me was not deaf. He was paralyzed and moved his mouse and character with his mouth. Typing in chat was useless for him. He HAD to have voice chat. He was one of my officers in EQ and 90% of the guild didnt know he was paralyzed..Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.0 -
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✭✭BeardLumber wrote: »
Zos has proven time and time again with their decisions that they don't really care to cater to the disabled community because there aren't that many of you. They were rather cater to the masses instead of taking a small amount of time ensuring every one can enjoy the game to the fullest.Far too many characters to list any more.0 -
DeanWinchester88✭✭✭I hope they add that, there tons of people would rather type then use mic.
1- People who play at night.
2- People that English us their 2nd or 3rd language.
3- People who have issues with spelling.
4- People with social disorder.
There no excuses to not add text chat, you don't want to see it? Just turn it off like local mic, I think.
If you can't afford 10 dollar usb keyboard? What are you doing spending 400 on console and 60 on game and of course 50-60 on xbox/psn sub, and last not least ISP services.
I stutter and would not only *** off myself, but other people as well.
So glad I'm playing on PC.
They should've added "Text chat" on there lolXbox One/PC, North America.
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StaticWax✭✭✭✭What about people with missing hands?
Edited by StaticWax on June 13, 2015 12:06AMI wish nothing but joy for everyone.0 -
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✭The simple answer is no ZoS has never cared about anything other than their crown store.
That does not imply no however. They could sell text chat system in crown store or even better charge for text like telecoms charge for SMS (Gidorick? can you please outline Text Monetization Scheme?). Besides, cripples have money too.Edited by JamilaRaj on June 13, 2015 12:08AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Four whole pages about deaf people and consoles. I feel for them, but at least they have the PC platform. The poor BLIND players are completely forgotten on all platforms.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
PSN NA/EU: @ElsonsoJannus
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Bouvin✭✭✭✭✭
✭FULL CREDIT for this post goes to XENDYN
This post is in regards to DEAF/HEARING IMPAIRED PS4/XBOX ONE players....which is a post that has NOT been created yet.
What about the deaf and hearing impaired? Are they not allowed to play Elder Scrolls Online because the game is restricted to only those that can communicate verbally with other players? That's pretty pathetic...if that is the case. So what's an excellent reason for implementing TEXT CHAT? How about your player base that can't speak/hear? Do you not want them to buy your game? Final Fantasy XIV and Neverwinter already have an EXCELLENT text chat system...so do not say that it does not work or people won't be able to read the chat box....when it's already been PROVEN to work!
Unfortunately, they don't seem to. Even with how easy keeping ... KEEPING .. text chat and subtitles would have been with the port.
But then again, they've pretty much shown they don't care about any of their player base over the last year...0 -
Thumbdunked✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Four whole pages about deaf people and consoles. I feel for them, but at least they have the PC platform. The poor BLIND players are completely forgotten on all platforms.
i agree visually impaired players are forgotten as well. Alot of people have said "Atleast they have the PC version" but that is little comfort to some one that has to go out and buy a $800 rig just to play a game they already own on console comfortably. Zenimax should just do the Right and most likely in the long run the easiest thing to do and just add in Text chat. Id like to also take this opportunity to point out to the people saying things like "we dont want Text chat because we want to use Voice chat" We arent trying to take away your voice chat! you will not lose a single thing you dont have to use it or acknowledge but just because you dont want it dont try and take it away from people who actually need it to communicate with others and another point id like to point out to those saying hearing impaired people should just play the game and not worry about not been able to communicate, im not even sure where to start with this you know this is a MMO right? A massively multiplayer online game that requires player interaction to experience all the content not only are some of your comments narrow minded they are plain out Disrespectful.0 -
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✭Psychobunni wrote: »Wasn't this argument tried when no text was announced?
And it still went to console without text.....why would it make a difference after the fact if it didn't matter before release?
Because the console kiddies may put the game down or trade it in, which will result in zero crown sales.
Ha! Our kids want to play now that it's on consolelordrichter wrote: »Four whole pages about deaf people and consoles. I feel for them, but at least they have the PC platform. The poor BLIND players are completely forgotten on all platforms.
Seeing Eye Senche coming to a crown store near you on the second tuesday of next week
If options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!0 -
drakeos99✭✭✭Instead of text system how about add SUBTITLES to the game (for those convo's between NPCS or doing quests) cause so hard to understand what they are saying0 -
Thumbdunked✭✭✭Subtitles would be a welcome addition alongside a chat box i wouldn't say subtitles Should be included instead of a chat box though.0
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Kaide✭✭✭Whendim_ESO wrote: »But it is simply not good business sense to needlessly alienate significant sections of your customer base
That's simply not true. I don't think that hearing impaired gamers are what anyone would call a "significant" customer base. I'm guessing it's a very insignificant population, a potential customer base that I'm guessing had no impact on the decision to not implement text chat whatsoever.
It appears the signifcant section of the customer base that were disregarded by ZOS are console players who want text chat. Putting oneself out there as the Champion of the Underserved Disabled Gamer Community is disingenuous. It's also not bringing anyone over to the Pro Text Chat lobby.
A very "insignificant" part of the customer base...is hearing impaired/people with speech issues/people who don't want their age to be known/people with social issues/people without a mic.....??? Seriously? That's millions of people.
So you'd rather lose millions of potential "purchases and subscriptions (ESO plus)"....due to not installing something that is already in the PC version of the game?
Edited by Kaide on June 13, 2015 6:57AM2 -
ninjazimSoul Shriven5. People who do not want their gender or age to be revealed by speaking
This x9000.
My first MMO was Everquest vanilla when I was a kid. I am so happy there was text chat back then and no emphasis on voice chat like roger wilco or ventrillo. I could group with teens and adults and join high end raiding guilds because no one had to hear my annoying kid voice. Now that I'm older I hate listening to the crap a lot of kids ramble on about. Text was great.2 -
Thumbdunked✭✭✭5. People who do not want their gender or age to be revealed by speaking
This x9000.
My first MMO was Everquest vanilla when I was a kid. I am so happy there was text chat back then and no emphasis on voice chat like roger wilco or ventrillo. I could group with teens and adults and join high end raiding guilds because no one had to hear my annoying kid voice. Now that I'm older I hate listening to the crap a lot of kids ramble on about. Text was great.
Could not agree more. At the moment from what i can tell there are a few people here and there using the Voip chat but other than that every one else just has it turned off for the above reasons.Edited by Thumbdunked on June 13, 2015 8:45AM0
