What about the DEAF & HEARING IMPAIRED players? Do you care about them?

Xendyn · June 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

They can all join us on PC.

The more I see from people NOT wanting chat box for console the more I think it is all desperate PC players trying to salvage a community that is leaving in droves because of all the bots on PC lol.

There is NO reason for console not to have a chat box. I mean it is not like console players are asking for the REMOVAL of the voice chat. If that was the case I could understand people not wanting to see that.

But it is childish "or desperate" for anyone to NOT want people to be able to enjoy the game on console.

Funny how most of the "No chat box" TROLLS are always dropping that one liner..

"If you want a chat box come join us on PC"
lmao ..
Sad..

For some, maybe but...
*holds up hand* PC player here, don't even own a console but I certainly see the need for you guys that do. Also, as I said in my original post which this thread was spun off of, I have known more than a handful of amazing players that were deaf/hearing impaired and can empathize

At any rate, ya'll have my continued support on this issue and several others that may eventually help the PC side improve, too.

Tandor · June 2015

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

I don't play this game anymore but felt the need to comment on this subject. I was a PC player and have hearing impairment. It wasn't so much an issue due to the text chat of course. I realised that when no chat option was available on console that they basically excluded a whole bunch of people from the game because they have hearing impairment, or are completely deaf. The problem isn't just you sometimes can't hear what people are saying, hearing impairment often comes with sensitivity problems too, so people are either too quiet, or too loud. It would be impossible for me to play this game without text chat, at the best, it would be very uncomfortable. Just one of the smaller reasons I want absolutely nothing to do with any game Zenimax produces now or in the future.

I really appreciate you replying to the post and sharing your own experiences. You are correct that there are also a multitude of other reasons why someone would prefer a text chat system. I don't think the Devs took all of this into account. Hopefully it will be addressed soon.

Well I doubt it will get addressed. Its not like they haven't thought about this. At some point in the past, someone said "what about people with hearing impairment or are deaf, they'd need text chat"? And someone else has said "nah, don't bother, too much hassle".

That argument might carry more weight if there wasn't already a PC version of the game with text chat. It's not like those who want to play the game but have hearing issues can't play it.

Tandor · June 2015

Duplicate post, please delete.

Pecivilis · June 2015

This is why MMOs should never be put on console. Consoles just do not have the same capabilities as PC.

However let's face it, this is an MMORPG, which may be uncharted territory for most Console players, especially those that are exclusive to console...as an MMO End-Game is a big deal, in fact most would argue (and I agree) that End Game / Hard-Core PvP is the entire point of playing an MMO.

That being said, as a Raid leader in both aspects of the game I require a VoIP at all times, Microphone is strongly requested but not required. What IS required is me being able to quickly and reliably being able to make calls adjust the Raid group and complete tasks with minimal roadblocks. By having someone in the raid that can not hear me, thus requiring me to stop and type will inevitably hold the group back and cause wipes.

Yes most of the Vet dungeons and low scale willy nilly PvP don't require much on your part thus no need for VoIP communication. But let's see you try and complete Vet Dragonstar Arena or Sanctum Ophidia with just trying to type mid fight, or High-end pvp when you are deep in the battle and everyone needs to make calls about incoming or sudden deaths that need to be adjusted for accordingly.

Some raid leaders may be willing to do these things with out requiring VoIP, however I am not one of them nor have I ever been...either use VoIP or get out of my group, sorry but that's how I roll . Text chat is all fine and dandy, however Console players...you will be extremely happy about your built in voice chat come later levels.

Tandor · June 2015

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

I don't play this game anymore but felt the need to comment on this subject. I was a PC player and have hearing impairment. It wasn't so much an issue due to the text chat of course. I realised that when no chat option was available on console that they basically excluded a whole bunch of people from the game because they have hearing impairment, or are completely deaf. The problem isn't just you sometimes can't hear what people are saying, hearing impairment often comes with sensitivity problems too, so people are either too quiet, or too loud. It would be impossible for me to play this game without text chat, at the best, it would be very uncomfortable. Just one of the smaller reasons I want absolutely nothing to do with any game Zenimax produces now or in the future.

I really appreciate you replying to the post and sharing your own experiences. You are correct that there are also a multitude of other reasons why someone would prefer a text chat system. I don't think the Devs took all of this into account. Hopefully it will be addressed soon.

Well I doubt it will get addressed. Its not like they haven't thought about this. At some point in the past, someone said "what about people with hearing impairment or are deaf, they'd need text chat"? And someone else has said "nah, don't bother, too much hassle".

That argument might carry more weight if there wasn't already a PC version of the game with text chat. It's not like those who want to play the game but have hearing issues can't play it. Of course, not everyone has a PC but then not everyone has a console either. The game is available now across a number of platforms and people can choose which suits them best. In an ideal world all the platforms would cater for every special need but unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world.

daemonios · June 2015

Tandor wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

I don't play this game anymore but felt the need to comment on this subject. I was a PC player and have hearing impairment. It wasn't so much an issue due to the text chat of course. I realised that when no chat option was available on console that they basically excluded a whole bunch of people from the game because they have hearing impairment, or are completely deaf. The problem isn't just you sometimes can't hear what people are saying, hearing impairment often comes with sensitivity problems too, so people are either too quiet, or too loud. It would be impossible for me to play this game without text chat, at the best, it would be very uncomfortable. Just one of the smaller reasons I want absolutely nothing to do with any game Zenimax produces now or in the future.

I really appreciate you replying to the post and sharing your own experiences. You are correct that there are also a multitude of other reasons why someone would prefer a text chat system. I don't think the Devs took all of this into account. Hopefully it will be addressed soon.

Well I doubt it will get addressed. Its not like they haven't thought about this. At some point in the past, someone said "what about people with hearing impairment or are deaf, they'd need text chat"? And someone else has said "nah, don't bother, too much hassle".

That argument might carry more weight if there wasn't already a PC version of the game with text chat. It's not like those who want to play the game but have hearing issues can't play it.

Sorry, this argument doesn't fly for me due to a couple of reasons:

- If you have a console but not a PC, you'd have to invest in one. Each player in that situation would have to buy a PC, instead of one company taking the trouble of getting text chat in their game, which they already do for other versions.
- If you want the console version because your friends are playing on console, being able to use text on the PC version isn't much of an answer.

I admit I didn't even remember the case for hearing impaired people when I learned there was no text chat on consoles. But I find it weird that so many people's reaction is "you're hearing impaired, deal with it" rather than "hot dang, I didn't think of that... it really should be addressed".

daemonios · June 2015

Pecivilis wrote: »

as a Raid leader in both aspects of the game I require a VoIP at all times, Microphone is strongly requested but not required. What IS required is me being able to quickly and reliably being able to make calls adjust the Raid group and complete tasks with minimal roadblocks. By having someone in the raid that can not hear me, thus requiring me to stop and type will inevitably hold the group back and cause wipes.

I see your point, and have nothing against it. But you do realize that if someone else is willing to play with a deaf/hearing impaired person and do it through text chat, it would be good to have the OPTION to do so, right? It's not like text chat would prevent other groups from using voice.

Sallington · June 2015

Pecivilis wrote: »

This is why MMOs should never be put on console. Consoles just do not have the same capabilities as PC.

However let's face it, this is an MMORPG, which may be uncharted territory for most Console players, especially those that are exclusive to console...as an MMO End-Game is a big deal, in fact most would argue (and I agree) that End Game / Hard-Core PvP is the entire point of playing an MMO.

That being said, as a Raid leader in both aspects of the game I require a VoIP at all times, Microphone is strongly requested but not required. What IS required is me being able to quickly and reliably being able to make calls adjust the Raid group and complete tasks with minimal roadblocks. By having someone in the raid that can not hear me, thus requiring me to stop and type will inevitably hold the group back and cause wipes.

Yes most of the Vet dungeons and low scale willy nilly PvP don't require much on your part thus no need for VoIP communication. But let's see you try and complete Vet Dragonstar Arena or Sanctum Ophidia with just trying to type mid fight, or High-end pvp when you are deep in the battle and everyone needs to make calls about incoming or sudden deaths that need to be adjusted for accordingly.

Some raid leaders may be willing to do these things with out requiring VoIP, however I am not one of them nor have I ever been...either use VoIP or get out of my group, sorry but that's how I roll . Text chat is all fine and dandy, however Console players...you will be extremely happy about your built in voice chat come later levels.

Absolutely voice is required for end-game content if you are at all competitive. I have my own 10-person vent server just in case for that reason. I much prefer text chat if I'm just trying to trade or talking to people in zone/tells. The best thing about having both available is that it give you flexibility to choose your form of communication in different environments.

Samadhi · June 2015

Zyrlux wrote: »

So they are responsible for your purchasing choices, is that right?

Here's the thing. You want to communicate. Sweet. That's dandy. Unfortunately, you have a physical disability that prevents that from happening via normal methods. Okay. That's understandable. But why is anyone other than you responsible for overcoming your shortcomings?
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Because deaf console players do not have the option of creating add-ons that allow them to communicate via text?
Am certain that if such were an option, they would be fully willing to undertake such a task and it would be to the benefit of all other healthy people who simply want text chat.
Not an option though.

Any decent community acknowledges that, at times, the differently able require additional outside assistance to access services that are freely available to those with the privilege of being able bodied.

It is why things like Wheelchair Ramps get built instead of saying to someone "well, shouldn't you just find your own way up the stairs?"

Zyrlux wrote: »

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Would you buy a CD player and then *** to the company that you can't hear it cause you are deaf? No. Why? Because that's *** ***. There are some things you can't do and, yes, it is unfortunate for you, it's not other people's responsibility to cater to you and your disability.
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It is difficult to take you seriously after reading this paragraph. Quoting you has given me the ability to see through the asterisk in your text and reveals that you have decided to resort to "effing r-word" as an insult.
You literally treat suffering from an intellectual handicap as itself being a derogatory insult towards someone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz6xw6mHFV4

Dear Ann Coulter,

Come on Ms. Coulter, you aren’t dumb and you aren’t shallow. So why are you continually using a word like the R-word as an insult?

I’m a 30 year old man with Down syndrome who has struggled with the public’s perception that an intellectual disability means that I am dumb and shallow. I am not either of those things, but I do process information more slowly than the rest of you. In fact it has taken me all day to figure out how to respond to your use of the R-word last night.

I thought first of asking whether you meant to describe the President as someone who was bullied as a child by people like you, but rose above it to find a way to succeed in life as many of my fellow Special Olympians have.

Then I wondered if you meant to describe him as someone who has to struggle to be thoughtful about everything he says, as everyone else races from one snarkey sound bite to the next.

Finally, I wondered if you meant to degrade him as someone who is likely to receive bad health care, live in low grade housing with very little income and still manages to see life as a wonderful gift.

Because, Ms. Coulter, that is who we are – and much, much more.

After I saw your tweet, I realized you just wanted to belittle the President by linking him to people like me. You assumed that people would understand and accept that being linked to someone like me is an insult and you assumed you could get away with it and still appear on TV.

I have to wonder if you considered other hateful words but recoiled from the backlash.

Well, Ms. Coulter, you, and society, need to learn that being compared to people like me should be considered a badge of honor.

No one overcomes more than we do and still loves life so much.

Come join us someday at Special Olympics. See if you can walk away with your heart unchanged.

A friend you haven’t made yet,
John Franklin Stephens
Global Messenger
Special Olympics Virginia

Letter transcript taken from: https://specialolympicsblog.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/an-open-letter-to-ann-coulter/

Your discriminatory nature shows, and it does wonders to frame why you are complaining that some people suffer from physical limitations and would like to see accommodation for their needs.

Being that this game pre-exists in a format with text chat in it, ZOS made the conscious decision to exclude a portion of their console player base on the basis of disability by removing it.
It is completely reasonable for such individuals to want to see it available in the console version.

nastuug · June 2015

Sallington wrote: »

Pecivilis wrote: »

This is why MMOs should never be put on console. Consoles just do not have the same capabilities as PC.

However let's face it, this is an MMORPG, which may be uncharted territory for most Console players, especially those that are exclusive to console...as an MMO End-Game is a big deal, in fact most would argue (and I agree) that End Game / Hard-Core PvP is the entire point of playing an MMO.

That being said, as a Raid leader in both aspects of the game I require a VoIP at all times, Microphone is strongly requested but not required. What IS required is me being able to quickly and reliably being able to make calls adjust the Raid group and complete tasks with minimal roadblocks. By having someone in the raid that can not hear me, thus requiring me to stop and type will inevitably hold the group back and cause wipes.

Yes most of the Vet dungeons and low scale willy nilly PvP don't require much on your part thus no need for VoIP communication. But let's see you try and complete Vet Dragonstar Arena or Sanctum Ophidia with just trying to type mid fight, or High-end pvp when you are deep in the battle and everyone needs to make calls about incoming or sudden deaths that need to be adjusted for accordingly.

Some raid leaders may be willing to do these things with out requiring VoIP, however I am not one of them nor have I ever been...either use VoIP or get out of my group, sorry but that's how I roll . Text chat is all fine and dandy, however Console players...you will be extremely happy about your built in voice chat come later levels.

Absolutely voice is required for end-game content if you are at all competitive. I have my own 10-person vent server just in case for that reason. I much prefer text chat if I'm just trying to trade or talking to people in zone/tells. The best thing about having both available is that it give you flexibility to choose your form of communication in different environments.

Perfect explanation as to why both should be on both platforms.

Xendyn · June 2015

[quote="Sallington;1872829"
Absolutely voice is required for end-game content if you are at all competitive. I have my own 10-person vent server just in case for that reason. I much prefer text chat if I'm just trying to trade or talking to people in zone/tells. The best thing about having both available is that it give you flexibility to choose your form of communication in different environments.
[/quote]

Yes, flexibility...options. Good stuff there

Maybe even (gods forbid) the desire to Help others out that would like to do/learn content they might otherwise be at a disadvantage in?

Gandrhulf_Harbard · June 2015

The_Sadist wrote: »

Zhoyzu wrote: »

The simple answer is no ZoS has never cared about anything other than their crown store.

But.. what about before the crown store?

Before the Crown Store?

There was a lot of smoke and mirrors preparing the way for the Crown Store.

The moment they announced the game would be cross-platform they 100% knew for a fact they could not maintain the subscription model.

The moment they knew they could not maintain the subscription model the 100% knew there would be a Crown Store.

So, in short they have ALWAYS know there would be a B2P game with Crown Store - and everything before that was just paving the way.

All The Best

Kaide · June 2015

Pecivilis wrote: »

Yes most of the Vet dungeons and low scale willy nilly PvP don't require much on your part thus no need for VoIP communication. But let's see you try and complete Vet Dragonstar Arena or Sanctum Ophidia with just trying to type mid fight, or High-end pvp when you are deep in the battle and everyone needs to make calls about incoming or sudden deaths that need to be adjusted for accordingly.

Some raid leaders may be willing to do these things with out requiring VoIP, however I am not one of them nor have I ever been...either use VoIP or get out of my group, sorry but that's how I roll . Text chat is all fine and dandy, however Console players...you will be extremely happy about your built in voice chat come later levels.

Instead of typing mid fight....

Why not just explain to the player through text in advance what to expect in the fight? And if changes need to be made based on the fight's phases....then can't you just assign that player to follow someone else...so that when they switch what theyre doing he/she switches at the same time?

This sounds more like people with little toleration for others needs...as opposed to something that can easily be resolved.

But as I stated before...there is an army of players fighting tooth and nail for us to get LESS content with each new game that releases...and I still have no idea why. Text shouldn't be an option for games in 2015....it should be a STANDARD!

Abradax · June 2015

Kaide wrote: »

FULL CREDIT for this post goes to XENDYN

This post is in regards to DEAF/HEARING IMPAIRED PS4/XBOX ONE players....which is a post that has NOT been created yet.

What about the deaf and hearing impaired? Are they not allowed to play Elder Scrolls Online because the game is restricted to only those that can communicate verbally with other players? That's pretty pathetic...if that is the case. So what's an excellent reason for implementing TEXT CHAT? How about your player base that can't speak/hear? Do you not want them to buy your game? Final Fantasy XIV and Neverwinter already have an EXCELLENT text chat system...so do not say that it does not work or people won't be able to read the chat box....when it's already been PROVEN to work!

I asked about it here and on Facebook, no reply. So yeah. I get to miss 90% of the story because they didn't feel it was necessary to offer the same accomodations games have been offering for years. I love seeing a "Watch the conversation" and that is literally all I can do because there are no ambient subtitles.

That is in addition to voice chat only...

Kaide · June 2015

It is very frustrating when you see people who do not have any disabilities say that they don't even want players with disabilities to have a chat box option or that they'd kick them out of their raid/guild due to a slow down in progression. What is wrong with some of you? Seriously. You do realize that there are some players with hearing disabilities that would probably help you out way more in a raid than some of your players that can hear...if you just took 2 seconds out of your busy schedule to explain the fight in text...

I hope you never get injured...or you just might be the one the guild is kicking to the curb.

Cernow · June 2015

So many fanboy trolls in this thread it's quite depressing. Making such insensitive and in some cases cruel remarks about disability, and all for what? To defend a company that couldn't be bothered to put in a basic game feature that is already present in the PC version? Because it makes you feel important to be such a big, tough forum warrior? Because you think you're promoting and protecting Zenimax's reputation (hint: you aren't)?

Asking for text chat on the console version is not an unreasonable request and it's not just a disability issue either, there's quite a list of reasons why lots of players would welcome it, as many have posted. And adding it would take absolutely NOTHING away from players who enjoy using voice chat. So if you're happy with the voice chat, why feel the need to get involved other than to troll?

It also has nothing to do with entitlement, a term people love to throw around without fully understanding it. Sure, an entertainment company has no legal or moral responsibility to make it's products as user-friendly and disability-friendly as possible. But it is simply not good business sense to needlessly alienate significant sections of your customer base.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · June 2015

I'm with @Cernow and @Kaide on this one.

All The Best

Darlgon · June 2015

Ok.. I HAVE to ask..

I have neither an XBox nor a Playstation. Last time I saw one, it did not come with a keyboard to input text. Inputting each letter thru a console interface would be scrolling up-down-right-left and selecting each letter in 5=6 row words banks sounds worse than Chinese water torture.

How do other games on those platforms handle chat boxes?

ThatNeonZebraAgain · June 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

Ok.. I HAVE to ask..

I have neither an XBox nor a Playstation. Last time I saw one, it did not come with a keyboard to input text. Inputting each letter thru a console interface would be scrolling up-down-right-left and selecting each letter in 5=6 row words banks sounds worse than Chinese water torture.

How do other games on those platforms handle chat boxes?

A magical thing called a Bluetooth keyboard

Sallington · June 2015

Kaide wrote: »

It is very frustrating when you see people who do not have any disabilities say that they don't even want players with disabilities to have a chat box option or that they'd kick them out of their raid/guild due to a slow down in progression. What is wrong with some of you? Seriously. You do realize that there are some players with hearing disabilities that would probably help you out way more in a raid than some of your players that can hear...if you just took 2 seconds out of your busy schedule to explain the fight in text...

I hope you never get injured...or you just might be the one the guild is kicking to the curb.

nastuug · June 2015

Sallington wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

It is very frustrating when you see people who do not have any disabilities say that they don't even want players with disabilities to have a chat box option or that they'd kick them out of their raid/guild due to a slow down in progression. What is wrong with some of you? Seriously. You do realize that there are some players with hearing disabilities that would probably help you out way more in a raid than some of your players that can hear...if you just took 2 seconds out of your busy schedule to explain the fight in text...

I hope you never get injured...or you just might be the one the guild is kicking to the curb.

Pecivilis · June 2015

Kaide wrote: »

Instead of typing mid fight....

Why not just explain to the player through text in advance what to expect in the fight? And if changes need to be made based on the fight's phases....then can't you just assign that player to follow someone else...so that when they switch what theyre doing he/she switches at the same time?

This sounds more like people with little toleration for others needs...as opposed to something that can easily be resolved.

Is this your first MMO? Or have you been in and hard-core progression guilds / content before? It's perfectly ok if you haven't or if this is your first major MMO.

However boss strategies and fight sequences are much to complex to have to type every time. and simplifying following another player will not cut it in most circumstances.Especially if it's a fight where say..you have to be a safe distance away from other players at all times or the boss hits you with damage/ ground AoEs that scales if folk are to close (Celestial Mage's Chain lightning is just one example). If a person is to another close and can't hear me, chances are by the time I am able to stop what I am doing type it out and send it they and the others they are near are already dead. OR because I am now standing still and typing *I* am now standing stationary in a ground AoE and could be dead myself (or ganked if it's PvP).

This happens at the wrong moment (say right before the Burn Phase) and the folk that went down are a chunk of our DPS and or a healer the Raid is almost assuredly screwed and it's a wipe. Also if someone falls or I as the Raid leader has to suddenly adjust things differently from the normal strategy on the fly to make it through.

Kaide · June 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

Ok.. I HAVE to ask..

I have neither an XBox nor a Playstation. Last time I saw one, it did not come with a keyboard to input text. Inputting each letter thru a console interface would be scrolling up-down-right-left and selecting each letter in 5=6 row words banks sounds worse than Chinese water torture.

How do other games on those platforms handle chat boxes?

$20 US

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Pecivilis · June 2015

I am not saying I wouldn't take the time to try and type it out. But what it all comes down to is the inherent problem with High-End raiding or PvP....

To quote my favorite book character of all time,
"Everything always changes. The best plan lasts until the first arrow leaves the bow." -Matrim Cauthon , the Wheel Of Time

I have been a raid leader since Ultima Online's early days, there are so many variables during fights it's ridiculous and with the ability to quickly and reliably communicate and take control of a situation (i.e VoIP) a competent raid leader can change a wipe scenario into a recovery and win. It's as simple as that...

That is why I require it and always will.

Darlgon · June 2015

Kaide wrote: »

$20 US

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Thanks.. dang.. get corporal tunnel just thinking about holding those for any amount of time.

Kaide · June 2015

Pecivilis wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

Instead of typing mid fight....

Why not just explain to the player through text in advance what to expect in the fight? And if changes need to be made based on the fight's phases....then can't you just assign that player to follow someone else...so that when they switch what theyre doing he/she switches at the same time?

This sounds more like people with little toleration for others needs...as opposed to something that can easily be resolved.

Is this your first MMO? Or have you been in and hard-core progression guilds / content before? It's perfectly ok if you haven't or if this is your first major MMO.

No...I also led 3 guilds in World of Warcraft for 5 years (I played for 9 years), Guild Wars for 2 years, and Final Fantasy for a year...so I think it's safe to say this isn't my first MMO. But thank you for attempting to hurl empty insults at me when I never once attacked you. I simply stated common sense things you could do to integrate everyone into the raid......like explain the fights in advance and assign players to raid leaders who know the fight's various phases....you know...simple things. But some guild leaders prefer to kick people out that don't fit into their mold...I understand. I guess I'm able to adjust to more players play styles than most guild leaders...and I probably have a lot more patience. You seem to prefer going through people like water if they aren't perfect....and I prefer to invest more into them to accomplish long term goals....to each his own.

You mentioned a boss fight that requires players to separate? Lets picture the worst possible scenario....a boss fight that only has sounds to warn players when to separate. I would tell one of the raid/party/group leaders to simply signal through an action each time the sound was made....it could be a cheap buff or even a simple jump to let the deaf player know it is time to move to a certain location. Imagine a guild all pressing spacebar at once when the sound is made to help the deaf players...its a beautiful thing. There is not a situation you can give me that I wouldn't be able to include everyone. I constantly had to come up with solutions in raids for scenerios just like you described....it's a pity you can't.

Xendyn · June 2015

Pecivilis wrote: »

I am not saying I wouldn't take the time to try and type it out. But what it all comes down to is the inherent problem with High-End raiding or PvP....

To quote my favorite book character of all time,
"Everything always changes. The best plan lasts until the first arrow leaves the bow." -Matrim Cauthon , the Wheel Of Time

I have been a raid leader since Ultima Online's early days, there are so many variables during fights it's ridiculous and with the ability to quickly and reliably communicate and take control of a situation (i.e VoIP) a competent raid leader can change a wipe scenario into a recovery and win. It's as simple as that...

That is why I require it and always will.

Good for you?
Nobody is saying get rid of voice chat here, just the addition of text chat for many reasons including an assist for the hearing impaired. Go run your "progression" raids however you like, we're mostly talking about the Other 95% of the game here and those who care about helping a group in need of it.

Pecivilis · June 2015

Kaide wrote: »

Pecivilis wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

Instead of typing mid fight....

Why not just explain to the player through text in advance what to expect in the fight? And if changes need to be made based on the fight's phases....then can't you just assign that player to follow someone else...so that when they switch what theyre doing he/she switches at the same time?

This sounds more like people with little toleration for others needs...as opposed to something that can easily be resolved.

Is this your first MMO? Or have you been in and hard-core progression guilds / content before? It's perfectly ok if you haven't or if this is your first major MMO.

No...I also led 3 guilds in World of Warcraft for 5 years (I played for 9 years), Guild Wars for 2 years, and Final Fantasy for a year...so I think it's safe to say this isn't my first MMO. But thank you for attempting to hurl empty insults at me when I never once attacked you. I simply stated common sense things you could do to integrate everyone into the raid......like explain the fights in advance and assign players to raid leaders who know the fight's various phases....you know...simple things. But some guild leaders prefer to kick people out that don't fit into their mold...I understand. I guess I'm able to adjust to more players play styles than most guild leaders...and I probably have a lot more patience. You seem to prefer going through people like water if they aren't perfect....and I prefer to invest more into them to accomplish long term goals....to each their own.

I wasn't insulting you...There I bolded a certain statement you seemed to of missed for you...
as for my response to that I already made one... here:

Pecivilis wrote: »

I am not saying I wouldn't take the time to try and type it out. But what it all comes down to is the inherent problem with High-End raiding or PvP....

To quote my favorite book character of all time,
"Everything always changes. The best plan lasts until the first arrow leaves the bow." -Matrim Cauthon , the Wheel Of Time

I have been a raid leader since Ultima Online's early days, there are so many variables during fights it's ridiculous and with the ability to quickly and reliably communicate and take control of a situation (i.e VoIP) a competent raid leader can change a wipe scenario into a recovery and win. It's as simple as that...

That is why I require it and always will.

And it's not just about fitting into a mold, I have pain painstakingly taken my time to train players in this game that never PvE'd in any game before and just PvP'd in this one. I have sat for 30+ minutes in a normal vet dungeon between bosses to help them and talk to them about builds..or show them how to properly spell weave, plus many other things. I then took groups of those same players straight through all the end game content.

However when it comes to Progression raiding it takes a better than normal player, guild, and raid leader. I have always preferred Elitist Progression Raiding over normal casual play. For most it's not their cup of tea as it tends to be more demanding and has a higher chance of burning folk out.

Tandor · June 2015

daemonios wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

I don't play this game anymore but felt the need to comment on this subject. I was a PC player and have hearing impairment. It wasn't so much an issue due to the text chat of course. I realised that when no chat option was available on console that they basically excluded a whole bunch of people from the game because they have hearing impairment, or are completely deaf. The problem isn't just you sometimes can't hear what people are saying, hearing impairment often comes with sensitivity problems too, so people are either too quiet, or too loud. It would be impossible for me to play this game without text chat, at the best, it would be very uncomfortable. Just one of the smaller reasons I want absolutely nothing to do with any game Zenimax produces now or in the future.

I really appreciate you replying to the post and sharing your own experiences. You are correct that there are also a multitude of other reasons why someone would prefer a text chat system. I don't think the Devs took all of this into account. Hopefully it will be addressed soon.

Well I doubt it will get addressed. Its not like they haven't thought about this. At some point in the past, someone said "what about people with hearing impairment or are deaf, they'd need text chat"? And someone else has said "nah, don't bother, too much hassle".

That argument might carry more weight if there wasn't already a PC version of the game with text chat. It's not like those who want to play the game but have hearing issues can't play it.

Sorry, this argument doesn't fly for me due to a couple of reasons:

- If you have a console but not a PC, you'd have to invest in one. Each player in that situation would have to buy a PC, instead of one company taking the trouble of getting text chat in their game, which they already do for other versions.
- If you want the console version because your friends are playing on console, being able to use text on the PC version isn't much of an answer.

I admit I didn't even remember the case for hearing impaired people when I learned there was no text chat on consoles. But I find it weird that so many people's reaction is "you're hearing impaired, deal with it" rather than "hot dang, I didn't think of that... it really should be addressed".

I certainly haven't taken that attitude, my earlier post indicated that I hoped that this was something that ZOS would be able to address and that in the meantime affected players would hopefully have the PC version to play. I seriously wonder how many players who cannot manage without text chat limit themselves to consoles which aren't primarily geared to keyboard play.

It isn't simply a case of "copy and paste" to port the PC version across to consoles, it's a massive undertaking and given the scale of the exercise and the nature of consoles it's not surprising that ZOS have not included text chat in the console versions at launch. I remain hopeful that they will add it later, and in the meantime there are alternative platforms (PC and Mac) for those able to use them. My point was that this surely represents a better situation for hearing-impaired players than if the game were only on console without text chat support. That doesn't seem an unreasonable approach to adopt, but hopefully ZOS will provide additional options in the future.

Kaide · June 2015

And it's not just about fitting into a mold, I have pain painstakingly taken my time to train players in this game that never PvE'd in any game before and just PvP'd in this one. I have sat for 30+ minutes in a normal vet dungeon between bosses to help them and talk to them about builds..or show them how to properly spell weave, plus many other things. I then took groups of those same players straight through all the end game content.

However when it comes to Progression raiding it takes a better than normal player, guild, and raid leader. I have always preferred Elitist Progression Raiding over normal casual play. For most it's not their cup of tea as it tends to be more demanding and has a higher chance of burning folk out.

If you are "painstakingly" taking time to tell players how to play a game the way that you think it should be played....and people are getting burned out. I'd suggest to stop micro managing.

I never told people what to do...because if you reach a point that you cannot progress they will make adjustments on their own if they want the group to move forward. People aren't stupid...you don't have to walk them through how to play the entire game step by step...and say "my way is the only right way"...because its not. And there are people in this world who just might be smarter and more talented than you are at the same game. However, you come across as the type who would brush off their perspective...since your way is the right way. I take a different approach....and realize that once you get stuck at a certain point people will realize what needs to be done to succeed and make adjustments accordingly. With all the raid damage/healing tracking software...it doesn't take much for everyone to see where the issue is. The person is already aware of what they need to do...and either they will make that change or not. If you force them to change and play your way....they WILL get burned out.

What about the DEAF &amp; HEARING IMPAIRED players? Do you care about them?

What about the DEAF & HEARING IMPAIRED players? Do you care about them?