New players not standing a chance on console against transfers!!

Concenaros · June 2015

Most of the peeps complaining, do realize that there was a VERY limited amount of people who were sent Transfer applications? There was also a very large amount of players who were sent the application and missed it due to life or other interests?

I really don't think this will be a game/server killer for ESO on console. What it does mean is yes, there will be some very high level players running around farming and contributing to the economy early on. It doesn't wholly mean that the megaserver and experience for new players will be ruined.

After all you can go to Cyrodill at level 10... but if you do, good luck.

I'll be hopping on and leveling through the PVE content as soon as I can, I'll wait until I'm properly geared to head into PVP.

Sighlynce · June 2015

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

The transfer has happened and no amount of moaning will change it, so deal with it.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
- George Santayana"

"It's all water under the fridge."

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If I'm not complaining, I'm not having a good time, hah hah!
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technohic · June 2015

It's also easy to say but that fades quickly when you will have a lot of people put off by it no matter how slight or how few people everyone thinks will have an actual advantage. It will be perceived and if there is a feeling of not being able to catch up; people will stop playing.

Really; on both console and PC versions, they shoudl do at least PvP campaigns with a ruleset that has no champion points and the non vet campaign should just be that by default to welcome new players, not create a second farm for alts of established players. Gear is a different story completely but I don't think it will be as bad when nirhoned is fixed.

Jaronking · June 2015

BloodWolfe wrote: »

Here's the thing, new players joining in on the PC version have the same issue so I really don't see how this is all that big of a deal. Sure, players will be established as soon as it is launched on console but new players even on PC are at that same disadvantage anyway. There are non-vet campaigns too, so again, not as big an issue as people are making it out to be.

People making a mountain out of a mole hill.

OK I have to disagree with this statement and all the statements like it.You can't honestly compare a player just joining the PC version of the game which has been out for a year and the Console version of the game that has not been released.That's like comparing apples to oranges.The PC players who just started had a year to play the game all they want but a console player did not have the same opportunity since they game was not released yet.So saying its the same that's a lie.

gard · June 2015

I don't know about any of this, but I'd just like to say that this thread has inspired me to watch some youtube videos of people getting mad and trashing their consoles.

Most entertaining! I don't think I can post any without getting banned. Sorry =P

MrGhosty · June 2015

rynth wrote: »

How is this any different from someone starting this game a year after everyone else? no matter where you go if your joining an MMO late especially a year late you are always going to have this problem of unbalance until you rank your skills and equipment up. This isn't anything new for an MMO so why act surprised when you join a game over a year late, not like other MMO's that shared both a console and pc didn't have this problem.

I think the problem isn't that there are players who will be higher rank/whatever than starting players. the problem is that ZOS is MARKETING this game as BRAND NEW, not "Oh we released this last year on PC but couldn't get consoles ready in time, btw we're also letting any PC player that qualified and gave us some more money transfer all their progress over to your BRAND NEW GAME."

If you figure in averages, the amount of vocal players on the forums gleefully waiting to go ruin some new players day I would imagine there will be enough of them to make an impact.

Yes players can close some of the gap after playing, but if you are trying to do that and play how you want to play but there is always a vet14 there to spoil your day how long will you continue to play before you just go grab another game? This isn't any fault of the players, good or bad. They want to enjoy themselves and sadly with the lack of content the "new content" some players have opted for is to transfer and mess with newcomers. The fault lies with ZOS making this possible forgetting the #1 rule of the internet "If someone can find a way to ruin someone else's day, they will do so with gusto".

This is harmful because if enough of these new players leave, it lowers total pop which is part of the "content" of an MMO. As that number dips lower and lower the game will fail and how long before they decide to scrap it and try again with another game? This might be an extreme example, but it illustrates the point that players, (Console especially) are not going to bang their head against a brick wall for the two months it would take them to get to a point where they can only start competing against veteran players.

I hope that my outlook on this turns out to be all smoke and no fire, but the fact such an occurrence could happen and would threaten our gameplay on the PC is worrisome to say the least.

EnikSleestak · June 2015

MrGhosty wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

How is this any different from someone starting this game a year after everyone else? no matter where you go if your joining an MMO late especially a year late you are always going to have this problem of unbalance until you rank your skills and equipment up. This isn't anything new for an MMO so why act surprised when you join a game over a year late, not like other MMO's that shared both a console and pc didn't have this problem.

I think the problem isn't that there are players who will be higher rank/whatever than starting players. the problem is that ZOS is MARKETING this game as BRAND NEW, not "Oh we released this last year on PC but couldn't get consoles ready in time, btw we're also letting any PC player that qualified and gave us some more money transfer all their progress over to your BRAND NEW GAME."

If you figure in averages, the amount of vocal players on the forums gleefully waiting to go ruin some new players day I would imagine there will be enough of them to make an impact.

Yes players can close some of the gap after playing, but if you are trying to do that and play how you want to play but there is always a vet14 there to spoil your day how long will you continue to play before you just go grab another game? This isn't any fault of the players, good or bad. They want to enjoy themselves and sadly with the lack of content the "new content" some players have opted for is to transfer and mess with newcomers. The fault lies with ZOS making this possible forgetting the #1 rule of the internet "If someone can find a way to ruin someone else's day, they will do so with gusto".

This is harmful because if enough of these new players leave, it lowers total pop which is part of the "content" of an MMO. As that number dips lower and lower the game will fail and how long before they decide to scrap it and try again with another game? This might be an extreme example, but it illustrates the point that players, (Console especially) are not going to bang their head against a brick wall for the two months it would take them to get to a point where they can only start competing against veteran players.

I hope that my outlook on this turns out to be all smoke and no fire, but the fact such an occurrence could happen and would threaten our gameplay on the PC is worrisome to say the least.

Oh please. I for one was mostly kidding with my "alt stomping" comment but....red is dead as us old folks used to say. Life is tough get a helmet.

MrGhosty · June 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

Transfers will indeed be more powerful than new players with no way for new players to catch up.
Even if the Veteran Rank gap is closed after a few weeks, or Veteran Ranks are eventually removed from game, transfers will continue to have more Champion Points.
It is an imbalance that the servers will have to face, and it will impact PvP as well as end-game PvE Trial times meaning transfers will continually dominate all competitive content. Transfers will also dominate the economy.
What portion of the console playerbase this upsets is what remains to be seen.

That said, most console players who were genuinely interested in and following information about this game were provided the opportunity to play on PC and pay extra to maintain their progress -- nothing is particularly unfair about this situation.

Ultimately the people who are being punished are:
- Players who only learned of the Elder Scrolls series recently and did not know about the PC version and transfers when they were announced -- such players would be just as far behind if they decided to start a new game on PC today as well.
- Players who actively decided not to participate in the transfer program and completely abstained from playing on PC -- such players come into this with the awareness that they would not have the progress transfers have
- Players who did not have sufficient computing power for ESO and were stuck waiting for console -- such players are the only group that really trigger my sympathies as they got short-changed due to technological or financial reasons rather than choice or being genuinely new to the series

It also is worth considering how different the markets are, I've personally found that almost all (if not all) PC players are better about keeping themselves informed. Console players largely wait until they see an ad for a game, a console player would have seen the ads for ESO back in the day but shortly after launch they all but disappeared so they would like go off of the radar. Now the game is being advertised anew, but the marketing frames it to make this seem like a brand new game. Now I don't believe in arguing fairness because tbh that is silly. What I do find worrying is the marketing is leading newcomers to believe something and when they find out it isn't that could have negative connotations for the game as a whole. Enough bad word of mouth gets around and that is pretty much that for a game, then is just becomes a matter of waiting to see what ZOS does with it. Console players have my sympathies and I truly hope they can stick with it, ZOS seems to be betting a lot on this console release so for everyone's sake I hope it does well.

Hypertionb14_ESO · June 2015

you come into a game that's a year old and expect to be on the same level as someone who was there day one?

that's just moronic.

coryevans_3b14_ESO · June 2015

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

you come into a game that's a year old and expect to be on the same level as someone who was there day one?

that's just moronic.

I agree with the first part completely. I'll stay away from the moronic part. I get enough warnings as it is

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2015

King Bozo wrote: »

What a useless thread no offense. I will be transferring 3 14s and a vet 5. I will be transferring my gold and mats. I will be helping guild mates through dungeons and be a master crafter for others. I don't see what you really have to complain about.

I think this is going to be more of the norm coming from PC. I have the same mentality. I cant bring my VR over because ZOS apparently forgot my email. But Ive already organized close to 20 people for a Start-Up Guild on PS4. The experience I have from the game prior to its Console Launch will help me help others and I think thats mostly what Transferees will be doing themselves.

mklundub17_ESO · June 2015

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

you come into a game that's a year old and expect to be on the same level as someone who was there day one?

that's just moronic.

Because the game isn't a year old.... the PC version is. To think that it's 'fair', because someone played the games previous iteration, they can borrow gold and basically dupe it by friends sharing lump sums with each other, and without violating any terms of service, now that is moronic.

MMO's often don't even allow new servers to transfer over, and when they do they COMPLETELY move over as in you would no longer have access to play your PC character or use any of the gold/items that was moved over.

This copying of the character, I've only ever seen this for MMO's when they allow players to copy to the TEST SERVER.

You don't think every gold farmer out there didn't just dupe their entire inventories over multiple accounts? These are people who are NOT coming over to console to help players, invest in the economy, etc etc as others have claimed in this thread. They're there for one simple reason, to take advantage of this blunder of allowing gold to be easily duped into an entirely new market of players.

PainfulFAFA · June 2015

Heromofo wrote: »

Nah lol i want to chomp on some new players.

This.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · June 2015

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Nah lol i want to chomp on some new players.

This.

"Kotaro will give you newbies, 10 days, and this one means 10 days and then he will be coming for those that do not swear fealty to my Queen in the Aldmeri Dominion..."

Kotaro Atani
VR14 Khajiit Nightblade Aldmeri Dominion
League of Assassins (guild on the PS4)

On a side note, I currently don't have a PS4 but will be picking one up on the 19th, so that's where the 10 days comes from..LOL

Aww cmon i'm kidding, im not gonna just kill every lowbie I see...well maybe.......

Ourorboros · June 2015

MrGhosty wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Transfers will indeed be more powerful than new players with no way for new players to catch up.
Even if the Veteran Rank gap is closed after a few weeks, or Veteran Ranks are eventually removed from game, transfers will continue to have more Champion Points.
It is an imbalance that the servers will have to face, and it will impact PvP as well as end-game PvE Trial times meaning transfers will continually dominate all competitive content. Transfers will also dominate the economy.
What portion of the console playerbase this upsets is what remains to be seen.

That said, most console players who were genuinely interested in and following information about this game were provided the opportunity to play on PC and pay extra to maintain their progress -- nothing is particularly unfair about this situation.

Ultimately the people who are being punished are:
- Players who only learned of the Elder Scrolls series recently and did not know about the PC version and transfers when they were announced -- such players would be just as far behind if they decided to start a new game on PC today as well.
- Players who actively decided not to participate in the transfer program and completely abstained from playing on PC -- such players come into this with the awareness that they would not have the progress transfers have
- Players who did not have sufficient computing power for ESO and were stuck waiting for console -- such players are the only group that really trigger my sympathies as they got short-changed due to technological or financial reasons rather than choice or being genuinely new to the series

It also is worth considering how different the markets are, I've personally found that almost all (if not all) PC players are better about keeping themselves informed. Console players largely wait until they see an ad for a game, a console player would have seen the ads for ESO back in the day but shortly after launch they all but disappeared so they would like go off of the radar. Now the game is being advertised anew, but the marketing frames it to make this seem like a brand new game. Now I don't believe in arguing fairness because tbh that is silly. What I do find worrying is the marketing is leading newcomers to believe something and when they find out it isn't that could have negative connotations for the game as a whole. Enough bad word of mouth gets around and that is pretty much that for a game, then is just becomes a matter of waiting to see what ZOS does with it. Console players have my sympathies and I truly hope they can stick with it, ZOS seems to be betting a lot on this console release so for everyone's sake I hope it does well.

Remember, this is the same marketing that sold us massive PVP battles, new content every few months, a crafting system that values dedicated crafters, crafted items equal to anything dropped. No one should be surprised by misleading ads for the console. As to the major point of the thread, any console player who buys the game believing it is brand new and is unaware of PC players porting must be living under a rock. They sorta deserved to get stomped if they venture into Cyrodiil unaware. Stupidity brings it's own special awards.

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mklundub17_ESO · June 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

Remember, this is the same marketing that sold us massive PVP battles, new content every few months, a crafting system that values dedicated crafters, crafted items equal to anything dropped. No one should be surprised by misleading ads for the console. As to the major point of the thread, any console player who buys the game believing it is brand new and is unaware of PC players porting must be living under a rock. They sorta deserved to get stomped if they venture into Cyrodiil unaware. Stupidity brings it's own special awards.

How would they possibly know unless they stumbled onto a forum thread or specifically searched? It's not advertised on any console product info pages for the console versions. I couldn't even cancel my preorder after I did find out.

Ourorboros · June 2015

mklundub17_ESO wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Remember, this is the same marketing that sold us massive PVP battles, new content every few months, a crafting system that values dedicated crafters, crafted items equal to anything dropped. No one should be surprised by misleading ads for the console. As to the major point of the thread, any console player who buys the game believing it is brand new and is unaware of PC players porting must be living under a rock. They sorta deserved to get stomped if they venture into Cyrodiil unaware. Stupidity brings it's own special awards.

How would they possibly know unless they stumbled onto a forum thread or specifically searched? It's not advertised on any console product info pages for the console versions. I couldn't even cancel my preorder after I did find out.

I'm extrapolating from my own experience. I've never bought a game in the last decade without checking it out on the internet. I guess not everyone checks as carefully before swiping their credit card.

Milktray · June 2015

PC Players destabalizing the market makes me laugh .. how exactly?

There is no Central AH to destabalize, instead there is the choice of upto 5 guilds and there markets (if they have one), feel it's dominated by a PC crew? Then LEAVE THE GUILD, join one that is only console players if you want.

Psychobunni · June 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

mklundub17_ESO wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Remember, this is the same marketing that sold us massive PVP battles, new content every few months, a crafting system that values dedicated crafters, crafted items equal to anything dropped. No one should be surprised by misleading ads for the console. As to the major point of the thread, any console player who buys the game believing it is brand new and is unaware of PC players porting must be living under a rock. They sorta deserved to get stomped if they venture into Cyrodiil unaware. Stupidity brings it's own special awards.

How would they possibly know unless they stumbled onto a forum thread or specifically searched? It's not advertised on any console product info pages for the console versions. I couldn't even cancel my preorder after I did find out.

I'm extrapolating from my own experience. I've never bought a game in the last decade without checking it out on the internet. I guess not everyone checks as carefully before swiping their credit card.

I don't or haven't every time. I started LOTRO blind based soley upon the story based on. Never saw a Skyrim trailer or anything bought it because Elder Scrolls, and I saw very little info before hand of ESO, simply signed up for beta and waited...because Elder Scrolls. Every Fallout except the first was bought just because the first lol, 4 being the first trailer I looked for.

Anyway, my point was only that not everyone investigates every game they buy before hand if they believe they know about what to expect.

Milktray · June 2015

Psychobunni wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

mklundub17_ESO wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Remember, this is the same marketing that sold us massive PVP battles, new content every few months, a crafting system that values dedicated crafters, crafted items equal to anything dropped. No one should be surprised by misleading ads for the console. As to the major point of the thread, any console player who buys the game believing it is brand new and is unaware of PC players porting must be living under a rock. They sorta deserved to get stomped if they venture into Cyrodiil unaware. Stupidity brings it's own special awards.

How would they possibly know unless they stumbled onto a forum thread or specifically searched? It's not advertised on any console product info pages for the console versions. I couldn't even cancel my preorder after I did find out.

I'm extrapolating from my own experience. I've never bought a game in the last decade without checking it out on the internet. I guess not everyone checks as carefully before swiping their credit card.

I don't or haven't every time. I started LOTRO blind based soley upon the story based on. Never saw a Skyrim trailer or anything bought it because Elder Scrolls, and I saw very little info before hand of ESO, simply signed up for beta and waited...because Elder Scrolls. Every Fallout except the first was bought just because the first lol, 4 being the first trailer I looked for.

Anyway, my point was only that not everyone investigates every game they buy before hand if they believe they know about what to expect.

Then it is basically their fault if they don't get what they expect

mklundub17_ESO · June 2015

That's ridiculous to assume it's players fault for not researching. Game mechanic details, trailers, reviews - that's reasonable research. Saying, "Oh I better check any obscure news only advertised to PC players within the last few months before I preorder this unreleased game on console" - not reasonable.

Dixa · June 2015

as this game really is primarly pve focused, i hope folks here aren't expecting a deep pvp experience.

this issue only affects pvp balance and does nothing to pve or the game economy due to the lack of a global auction house, and it's not something you can't eventually overcome.

what you may not be able to overcome is the vr grind, especially after vr4. most pc players left at this point. those that stayed deserve what they have earned. until the vr levels are removed, it will be the same for console players.

Funkopotamus · June 2015

Gamestop near my house had over 300 preorder cancels due to players finding out about "TRANSFERGATE"

I swear hat is what he called it.

Dixa · June 2015

mklundub17_ESO wrote: »

That's ridiculous to assume it's players fault for not researching. Game mechanic details, trailers, reviews - that's reasonable research. Saying, "Oh I better check any obscure news only advertised to PC players within the last few months before I preorder this unreleased game on console" - not reasonable.

for an mmorpg - it absolutely is reasonable.

these games are far deeper than console shooter clone #08y7987983483713123523

DaveMoeDee · June 2015

Thymos wrote: »

Then maybe they should make a non-champion campaign. Ensure that it is only people that have yet to reach level 50 on any character. :P

Eventually, they will hit 50 regardless. What do they do? Delete and repeat each time because they get destroyed in vet?

DaveMoeDee · June 2015

mklundub17_ESO wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

you come into a game that's a year old and expect to be on the same level as someone who was there day one?

that's just moronic.

Because the game isn't a year old.... the PC version is. To think that it's 'fair', because someone played the games previous iteration, they can borrow gold and basically dupe it by friends sharing lump sums with each other, and without violating any terms of service, now that is moronic.

MMO's often don't even allow new servers to transfer over, and when they do they COMPLETELY move over as in you would no longer have access to play your PC character or use any of the gold/items that was moved over.

This copying of the character, I've only ever seen this for MMO's when they allow players to copy to the TEST SERVER.

You don't think every gold farmer out there didn't just dupe their entire inventories over multiple accounts? These are people who are NOT coming over to console to help players, invest in the economy, etc etc as others have claimed in this thread. They're there for one simple reason, to take advantage of this blunder of allowing gold to be easily duped into an entirely new market of players.

They really messed up by copying instead of moving accounts. That allowed people to borrow items from guild banks and non-transferring friend to fill up their inventory for transfer. They they returned all the items borrowed. Those items should have been deleted instead and only bound items should have been transferred.

Perhaps that doesn't even matter though compared to the CP lead some have and the resources they acquired grinding over a year. To be honest though, it probably won't matter for most players. Most players will enjoy through Cadwell's Gold and won't bother with buying at guild store locations.

Sl1ckTh1ef · June 2015

pmitchell126b16_ESO wrote: »

To be fair also I did play on the PC when it was not F2P. However I decided to come back to PS4 launch with some real life friends and family and that it would hopefully be a fresh start and everyone else will start fresh however it seems this is not the case.

It like letting in cheaters and bullies coming into a game and bully the new console players that not touched or have played the pc version but hoping for fresh start and one would be better then a PC Launch.

You are at NO MORE of a Disadvantage than ANY NEW Player on PC. You guys need to stop being so [snip] over dramatic.

There are FAR more NEW players coming to the Console version than there are transfers not to mention the Transfers are going to be split between XBone and PS4.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO · June 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Gamestop near my house had over 300 preorder cancels due to players finding out about "TRANSFERGATE"

I swear hat is what he called it.

haha, I think u put too many zeros in that number man. I highly doubt over 300 ppl cancelled at this store.

Lady_Mephala · June 2015

Junkogen wrote: »

You vill die a fast and frustrating death, I assure you.

Like your spelling?