Are there Dragons in ESO?

UrQuan · June 2015

Ghrimn wrote: »

This is what's Lore-Breaking:

"...he explained, the dragonknight could (...) even breathe fire just like the legendary dragons of yore. And this was, he asserted, because a dragonknight used actual dragon magic..."
"...with abilities said to have been learned from the Dragons themselves..."

Dragons in TES aren't the typical fire breathing beast we see in other fictional universes, they actually use the Thu'um (Real Dragon Magic), a type of magic that enables them to cast spells of immense power. The Thu'um can be used for a wide variety of purposes, anything from sharpening blades to quickly traveling across the land, even controlling animals or killing enemies. So it's quite absurd for DragonKnights to say they can use Real Dragon Magic when they only use Fire spells.

It's also true that they haven't been seen for centuries, so it would make sense for the Thu'um and most of the other powers the Dragons use to be discounted as just myths. However, there's at least two abilities the Dragons have that are acknowledged by almost everyone: Their ability to use Fire & Frost. If DragonKnights claim their abilities come from the Dragons themselves, some even saying they use Real Dragon Magic, how come they only use Fire? It is widely known that Dragons use Frost as well, so how come there aren't any Frost Dragonknights?

You're joking, right? Have you even read the full text that comes from instead of just the pieces you pulled out? In case you haven't, here's the source:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ardent_Flame:_Draconic_or_Endemic?
In that source, the author makes it very clear that the quotes she's providing are from a (probably drunk) braggart who is trying to impress her in order to get into her pants. She also makes it very clear that she's convinced that he's lying, and that the magic he's talking about is just a variant of the same type of magic she uses, and that it actually has nothing to do with the magic of dragons.

So you're upset that it's lore-breaking that dragonknights actually use dragon magic, and yet... the very source that you quoted to show why you're upset strongly supports the idea that they don't use dragon magic.

Ghrimn wrote: »

This is also Lore-Breaking:

"Draconic Power – tapping into their draconic bloodline, the Dragonknight can fortify their own defenses and lock down enemies, eliminating foes quickly and brutally."

Having Dragon Blood is something unique and extremely rare, it's not something given to every random peasant.

On that one I'd agree, but I don't place much (if any) stock in flavour text used to describe abilities. It's just a way to let the player understand what the ability does. I'll take lorebooks and events experienced in-game over them any day.

BBSooner wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Lorewise we know that they expressly use the martial traditions of the Akaviri Dragonguard. The Akaviri Dragonguard have been established in the lore long before Skyrim, and it makes sense that their traditions would be alive and well in this era, even if they were later largely lost.

However the Akaviri arts wouldn't have been a tradition of, say, the Altmer of Summerset. Which kind of makes it innappropriate to have Dominion armies bolstered with soldiers trained specifically in Akaviri combat.

You seem not to be aware of what happened to the Akaviri Dragonguard. More importantly, you seem to be unaware of the established lore (as in: established prior to ESO) about the origin of the Fighters Guild. The Fighters Guild began as an Akaviri-only organization called The Syffim. Initially they didn't allow non-Akaviri members at all, but they grew and began accepting members of other races (starting with Nords). They expanded across Tamriel. In fact, by the time of the Guilds Act (which officially sanctioned both the Fighters Guild and the Mages Guild, among others) in 2E 321 (note: this is over 250 years before the time of ESO) they were supported and encouraged to expand by the Empire. The martial traditions of the Fighters Guild have their roots in Akaviri martial traditions, and the Fighters Guild expanded across all of Tamriel more than 250 before ESO. It would be inappropriate if any of the races didn't have members trained in those traditions.

SeptimusDova · June 2015

Last night I was sitting in the Anchor's Point taproom, nursing a mug of rum posset while poring over Ralliballah's Eleven Ritual Forms,

Wait, about the Rum???

Where is this Rum she speaks of?

Elebeth · June 2015

@UrQuan

You can also add this in Akavir martial arts spreading "equation".

@otherposters; I'd like to add that, just because fantasy as a genre (in general) uses 4 limbs = dragon, 2 limbs = wyvern, it doesn't mean that every fantasy world should use those archetypes.

TES dragons are far from archetypal... even better, I should say: TES is far from archetypal fantasy; that's why so many adore it, so I'm a bit confused when I see "it's wyvern, not a dragon" in "every other post".

Also, too many people take just one text/book/source, (in a universe where it is canon that NPCs have their own headcanons), and then stick to that content like it's set in stone.
When you join in a lore discussion like that, you are just like an NPC: not wrong, but make others want to turn off their prevent attacking innocents.

SeptimusDova · June 2015

So what about the Rum???

SeptimusDova · June 2015

SO when are we getting the Mark and Recall set ?

BBSooner · June 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

You seem not to be aware of what happened to the Akaviri Dragonguard. More importantly, you seem to be unaware of the established lore (as in: established prior to ESO) about the origin of the Fighters Guild. The Fighters Guild began as an Akaviri-only organization called The Syffim. Initially they didn't allow non-Akaviri members at all, but they grew and began accepting members of other races (starting with Nords). They expanded across Tamriel. In fact, by the time of the Guilds Act (which officially sanctioned both the Fighters Guild and the Mages Guild, among others) in 2E 321 (note: this is over 250 years before the time of ESO) they were supported and encouraged to expand by the Empire. The martial traditions of the Fighters Guild have their roots in Akaviri martial traditions, and the Fighters Guild expanded across all of Tamriel more than 250 before ESO. It would be inappropriate if any of the races didn't have members trained in those traditions.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that the fighters guild, after spreading beyond the lands that the Akaviri even stepped foot on ...

not southwest of Cyrodiil

... was akin to a McDonalds franchise where the contents of each hall was the same service/same flavor throughout Nirn.

Though the Syffim did establish themselves in some kingdoms neighboring Cyrodiil, it became quickly apparent that local warriors were needed. Part of the problem was simply that there were not enough Akaviri for the work that needed to be done. Another part was that the snake men did not understand the geography and politics of the regions they were assigned.

*emphasis mine

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:History_of_the_Fighters_Guild

No, rather than learning a specific fighting style throughout the world and shipping Akaviri to every corner of Tamriel, the Syffim grew beyond the borders of direct Akaviri influence and, as you said, began to establish the Fighters Guild as we know it. This however is not proof that the Akaviri arts were present in the Dominion to any great degree (certainly not 1/4 of the adventurer/soldier population as we're expected to believe), merely that once the organization grew too big for its beginnings that they expanded. So yes, the thought that Akaviri Martial arts are present in Summerset in a quarter of the trained population who draw upon their "draconic bloodline" is absolutely silly.

SeptimusDova · June 2015

Can we get back to the Rum and where its hidden Plz

UrQuan · June 2015

BBSooner wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You seem not to be aware of what happened to the Akaviri Dragonguard. More importantly, you seem to be unaware of the established lore (as in: established prior to ESO) about the origin of the Fighters Guild. The Fighters Guild began as an Akaviri-only organization called The Syffim. Initially they didn't allow non-Akaviri members at all, but they grew and began accepting members of other races (starting with Nords). They expanded across Tamriel. In fact, by the time of the Guilds Act (which officially sanctioned both the Fighters Guild and the Mages Guild, among others) in 2E 321 (note: this is over 250 years before the time of ESO) they were supported and encouraged to expand by the Empire. The martial traditions of the Fighters Guild have their roots in Akaviri martial traditions, and the Fighters Guild expanded across all of Tamriel more than 250 before ESO. It would be inappropriate if any of the races didn't have members trained in those traditions.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that the fighters guild, after spreading beyond the lands that the Akaviri even stepped foot on ...
not southwest of Cyrodiil

... was akin to a McDonalds franchise where the contents of each hall was the same service/same flavor throughout Nirn.

Though the Syffim did establish themselves in some kingdoms neighboring Cyrodiil, it became quickly apparent that local warriors were needed. Part of the problem was simply that there were not enough Akaviri for the work that needed to be done. Another part was that the snake men did not understand the geography and politics of the regions they were assigned.

*emphasis mine

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:History_of_the_Fighters_Guild

No, rather than learning a specific fighting style throughout the world and shipping Akaviri to every corner of Tamriel, the Syffim grew beyond the borders of direct Akaviri influence and, as you said, began to establish the Fighters Guild as we know it. This however is not proof that the Akaviri arts were present in the Dominion to any great degree (certainly not 1/4 of the adventurer/soldier population as we're expected to believe), merely that once the organization grew too big for its beginnings that they expanded. So yes, the thought that Akaviri Martial arts are present in Summerset in a quarter of the trained population who draw upon their "draconic bloodline" is absolutely silly.

*sigh* I love it when people cherry-pick bits and pieces from a source while ignoring other parts of it that contradict their position. I notice you left out the following quotes from the source you reference:

Dinieras-Ves, "The Iron," initially believed that the entirety of the order should be composed of Akaviri.

Now they had a Potentate on the throne, and with Dinieras-Ves' machinations, the local armies would also be Akaviri. What they had failed to do by combat, they would have successfully accomplished by patience.

From those we know that the intention was for the Syffim to spread Akaviri influence across Tamriel.

It was evident that some non-Akaviri were needed in the Syffim, and by the mid point of the year, three Nords, a warrior-sorceress, a rogue, and a knight, were admitted into the order.

From this we know that, initially at least, by far the bulk of the Syffim was Akaviri. Otherwise no special significance would be placed on the fact that after half a year there were a whopping 3 non-Akaviri members. Note that the Guilds Act in which the Syffim became officially the Fighters Guild and was spread across Tamriel happened the very next year, so it's completely unreasonable and unbelievable to imagine that by the time the Guild spread across the Empire it wouldn't still be primarily Akaviri in character.

Before the year was through, Dinieras-Ves had spread his business throughout the Empire. Young men and women joined this new order en masse for a variety of reasons, including desperate poverty, love of action and adventure, or simply to aid their crime-stricken neighbors. They received training and were immediately put to work helping the aristocracy's problems, assuming the roles of guards and soldiers within their locality.

Yup, throughout the Empire, less than 6 months after a time when it was remarkable that they had as many as 3 non-Akaviri members. The young men and women who joined received training. Since they only had 3 non-Akaviri when they started training all of these new members, it would be absolutely ridiculous to think that they'd be trained in anything other than Akaviri traditions.

Aside from that is the source that @Elebeth mentioned (which I had read before, but I couldn't find until the link was helpfully provided):
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Legacy_of_the_Dragonguard
Notably this section:

Other former members of the Dragonguard followed different pursuits. Some joined their former centurion, Dinieras-Ves, when he founded the organization that would come to be known as the Fighters Guild. Others became roving adventurers, selling their services as combat trainers or swords-for-hire.

One of these was a former Dragonguard whose name is now lost, and is known only to this chronicler as the Grandmaster. He took it upon himself to ensure that the martial and mystical arts of the old Akaviri would survive into the new and turbulent Second Era. However, he would teach his skills only on condition that those he taught would go on to teach others. This was the origin of those whom we now call "the Dragon Knights."

So I'm sorry, but your position that 250 years after the Akaviri-founded Fighters Guild spread across Tamriel, and after many former members of the Dragonguard began selling their services as trainers (including one who specifically taught on the condition that those he taught would go on to teach others), those in the Aldmeri Dominion wouldn't have plenty of warriors with those skills... Well, your position just isn't supported by the lore. Not in the slightest.

UrQuan · June 2015

Elebeth wrote: »

Also, too many people take just one text/book/source, (in a universe where it is canon that NPCs have their own headcanons), and then stick to that content like it's set in stone.
When you join in a lore discussion like that, you are just like an NPC: not wrong, but make others want to turn off their prevent attacking innocents.

Yeah, there's a reason why there are entire university courses dedicated to assessing the reliability of (and interpreting) written sources. I'd be willing to bet that most of the people who discuss lore and cite various lorebooks don't even understand the difference between a primary source and a secondary source, let alone why they should be treated differently, or how they should be treated differently.

SantieClaws · June 2015

The only dragons in ESO are the ones in the accounts department who are pulling the strings behind the crown store ...

Veridiano02 · June 2015

For everyone, so worried about dragons and the lore breaking, I only have two words for you: TIME TRAVEL. In the game we do it several times. Trough magic, visions... So, we found some ancient ruins, some mages touches some thing and ¡PUF! Time travel. And a lot of dragons. It will be a nice dungeon or trial.

SeptimusDova · June 2015

Veridiano02... Be careful of messing with time and dragons. If you summon Alduin you put him away yourself .

BBSooner · June 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You seem not to be aware of what happened to the Akaviri Dragonguard. More importantly, you seem to be unaware of the established lore (as in: established prior to ESO) about the origin of the Fighters Guild. The Fighters Guild began as an Akaviri-only organization called The Syffim. Initially they didn't allow non-Akaviri members at all, but they grew and began accepting members of other races (starting with Nords). They expanded across Tamriel. In fact, by the time of the Guilds Act (which officially sanctioned both the Fighters Guild and the Mages Guild, among others) in 2E 321 (note: this is over 250 years before the time of ESO) they were supported and encouraged to expand by the Empire. The martial traditions of the Fighters Guild have their roots in Akaviri martial traditions, and the Fighters Guild expanded across all of Tamriel more than 250 before ESO. It would be inappropriate if any of the races didn't have members trained in those traditions.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that the fighters guild, after spreading beyond the lands that the Akaviri even stepped foot on ...
not southwest of Cyrodiil

... was akin to a McDonalds franchise where the contents of each hall was the same service/same flavor throughout Nirn.

Though the Syffim did establish themselves in some kingdoms neighboring Cyrodiil, it became quickly apparent that local warriors were needed. Part of the problem was simply that there were not enough Akaviri for the work that needed to be done. Another part was that the snake men did not understand the geography and politics of the regions they were assigned.

*emphasis mine

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:History_of_the_Fighters_Guild

No, rather than learning a specific fighting style throughout the world and shipping Akaviri to every corner of Tamriel, the Syffim grew beyond the borders of direct Akaviri influence and, as you said, began to establish the Fighters Guild as we know it. This however is not proof that the Akaviri arts were present in the Dominion to any great degree (certainly not 1/4 of the adventurer/soldier population as we're expected to believe), merely that once the organization grew too big for its beginnings that they expanded. So yes, the thought that Akaviri Martial arts are present in Summerset in a quarter of the trained population who draw upon their "draconic bloodline" is absolutely silly.

*sigh* I love it when people cherry-pick bits and pieces from a source while ignoring other parts of it that contradict their position. I notice you left out the following quotes from the source you reference:

Cherry picking is pointing out the exact statement that tells us that the Akaviri didn't have the manpower to directly influence more than Cyrodiil and a few of the border territories? Call it what you want, we're told specifically that the fighters guild was diversified from the Syffim specifically because of a lack of manpower.

From this we know that, initially at least, by far the bulk of the Syffim was Akaviri. Otherwise no special significance would be placed on the fact that after half a year there were a whopping 3 non-Akaviri members. Note that the Guilds Act in which the Syffim became officially the Fighters Guild and was spread across Tamriel happened the very next year, so it's completely unreasonable and unbelievable to imagine that by the time the Guild spread across the Empire it wouldn't still be primarily Akaviri in character.

In which case that spread was likely largely due to the recruitment restrictions being lifted. It's far more likely that the mandate simply said "you can do this" and fighters guilds began being established in the farther territories - where the Akaviri had no military influence at all.

So I'm sorry, but your position that 250 years after the Akaviri-founded Fighters Guild spread across Tamriel, and after many former members of the Dragonguard began selling their services as trainers (including one who specifically taught on the condition that those he taught would go on to teach others), those in the Aldmeri Dominion wouldn't have plenty of warriors with those skills... Well, your position just isn't supported by the lore. Not in the slightest.

Who is this "many former members" you speak of? Some joined the centurion, others became mercenaries who split their time between swords for hire and training. We have one account of somebody soley devoted to teaching it. If this one person as well as the partial time that others (where only you assert that they had a great many, not the lore) apparently spread the arts like wildfire, I'm curious why you seem to think they would be so widespread that they would be a quarter of the trained population of Tamriel, with the promise to train even more (and training still doesn't account for the "draconic bloodline" these knights apparently tap in to) - as well as a deep seeded tradition of the living fighters guild and yet be completely untrained in the later eras.

You can say my position isn't supported if it makes you feel better. However kindly re-read the lore posted above. You're welcome.

Elebeth · June 2015

@BBSooner

And yet there is imperial-library.info/content/true-told-tale-hallin where we have one person who (by domino effect) taught great numbers of "merchants and artists" ancient martial arts.
Granted, the story is in a form of a legend but there is definitively more than just one lore book with similar "domino effect" scenarios. (will add more when I find some time)

Also, it is never -just- Cyrodiil and few of the border territories; it is -THE- Cyrodiil and border territories, meaning everyone and their mother will soon know of it.
So it is really weird to think that something that established itself firmly in THE Cyrodiil would not spread out further and farther. Especially when you have around 430 years of Akavir ruling and 37 years of war throughout the land, followed by "en mass" recruitment of younglings.

Btw, that "1/4 of population" you are referring to; you don't mean that because of: 4 classes = 1/4 are dragonknights, right?
Please tell me that you are not using numbers of players using game mechanics of an mmo in a lore discussion...

(now that I said that out loud; I realized that I/We might be arguing for naught, if all boils down to discussion on numbers. I claim that, yes, there are "dragonknights" in every province but definitively not in great numbers)

BBSooner · June 2015

Elebeth wrote: »

@BBSooner

And yet there is imperial-library.info/content/true-told-tale-hallin where we have one person who (by domino effect) taught great numbers of "merchants and artists" ancient martial arts.
Granted, the story is in a form of a legend but there is definitively more than just one lore book with similar "domino effect" scenarios. (will add more when I find some time)

Also, it is never -just- Cyrodiil and few of the border territories; it is -THE- Cyrodiil and border territories, meaning everyone and their mother will soon know of it.
So it is really weird to think that something that established itself firmly in THE Cyrodiil would not spread out further and farther. Especially when you have around 430 years of Akavir ruling and 37 years of war throughout the land, followed by "en mass" recruitment of younglings.

Btw, that "1/4 of population" you are referring to; you don't mean that because of: 4 classes = 1/4 are dragonknights, right?
Please tell me that you are not using numbers of players using game mechanics of an mmo in a lore discussion...

(now that I said that out loud; I realized that I/We might be arguing for naught, if all boils down to discussion on numbers. I claim that, yes, there are "dragonknights" in every province but definitively not in great numbers)

I'm not discounting the importance of Cyrodiil, however the provinces throughout the entirety of the series maintain their own cultures to astounding detail.

And yes, I'm stating that due to creating an adventurer class as specific as somebody "trained in Akaviri arts, who draws upon draconic blood" that it holds as much weight as any of the other type of adventurer. Seeing as how ESO is considered canon, I find it safe to apply all conditions for the game especially with the lengths ZOS attempts to go to make the mechanics fit.

However, the number of "dragonknights" as a mechanic is the same as the discussion of dragons (or dragon mounts, or any other loosely lore defined mounts). Because we as the player see them in bulk (Dunmer riding senche en masse through Alki'r, or armies of Nords riding Senche clashing against armies of Redguard riding Senche for example), and can actually quantify that amount in a comparable manner to what else we see, I believe it is a valid comparison. This leads me to believe that these occurances are simply a silly MMO mechanic that just uses lore loosely as an excuse for it to happen. Which is my conclusion of the Dragonknight - a class loosely based on the lore (and more appropriate as a discipline/world skill than as an actual class) because of the implications it puts towards the other classes and the numbers we see it.

I'm glad you hold in your headcanon that dragonknights are few and far inbetween (likely due to that being the most likely scenario given lore). That is mine as well (and I also prefer to think they don't have a draconic bloodline, because the otherwise is just pandering for the people who want to relive Skyrim), because the Tamriel ZOS puts in front of us does not hold solid to this specific occurance of lore.

I should note that I also think that ZOS has kept true to the lore surprisingly well, I however cannot accept that Dragonknights are as abundant as they presume by making them a class.

Ghrimn · June 2015

@BuggeX

BuggeX wrote: »

But still, the Martial Art is jsut a Martial art like Boxing or Judo. Wy arent Boxers using the feets to? I meen there are also Judo fighters.

Thats wy Dragonknighs just use Fire and Earth Magic.
They swore to focus on this elements.

Mby at some point there will be a DK like Class witch use Frost or Shock. But then it will not Called Dragonknight

Your example makes no sense:

Judo is all about immobilizing an opponent. It emulates Tenjin Shinyo-ryu (strikes to disrupt the balance of the opponent) & Kitō-ryū (Throwing, Joint Locking and Choking techiniques) which are both martial arts used to Immobilize an oponent.
Boxing has prehistoric origins, and it has always been about throwing punches. You aren't supposed to use your feet.
Akaviri Martial Arts are said to emulate the Thu'um, but they only use Fire/Earth, which are only 2 of the 1000 uses the Thu'um has. It's the same thing as you using a Dagger and then saying you are emulating Two-Handed Sword Fighters.

Why wouldn't a DragonKnight using Frost be called a DragonKnight? Dragons are also known to use it. In fact, as of now, Dragons are only known to use Fire or Frost, any other type of power they have are thought to be just myths.

@UrQuan

UrQuan wrote: »

You're joking, right? Have you even read the full text that comes from instead of just the pieces you pulled out?
So you're upset that it's lore-breaking that dragonknights actually use dragon magic, and yet... the very source that you quoted to show why you're upset strongly supports the idea that they don't use dragon magic.

On that one I'd agree, but I don't place much (if any) stock in flavour text used to describe abilities. It's just a way to let the player understand what the ability does. I'll take lorebooks and events experienced in-game over them any day.

No, I'm not joking, and yes, I've read the whole text. I'll have you know that the second quote doesn't come from the same source as the first one, and so, it wasn't written by a drunk Knight. The Dragonknights (Drunk or not) claim their abilities come from Dragons.

"Heals for [27 / 28 / 29 / 30]% of missing Health. Increases Health regeneration by 40% for 20 seconds." --> This is enough for the player to understand what the skill does.
"Draw on your draconic blood" --> this doesn't help in any way, it just breaks the Lore.

SeptimusDova · June 2015

I thought this thread was about dragons. Seems it got the Entebbe hijack treatment. To the OP I apologize.

BuggeX · June 2015

Ghrimn wrote: »

@BuggeX

BuggeX wrote: »

But still, the Martial Art is jsut a Martial art like Boxing or Judo. Wy arent Boxers using the feets to? I meen there are also Judo fighters.

Thats wy Dragonknighs just use Fire and Earth Magic.
They swore to focus on this elements.

Mby at some point there will be a DK like Class witch use Frost or Shock. But then it will not Called Dragonknight

Your example makes no sense:
Judo is all about immobilizing an opponent. It emulates Tenjin Shinyo-ryu (strikes to disrupt the balance of the opponent) & Kitō-ryū (Throwing, Joint Locking and Choking techiniques) which are both martial arts used to Immobilize an oponent.

Boxing has prehistoric origins, and it has always been about throwing punches. You aren't supposed to use your feet.

Akaviri Martial Arts are said to emulate the Thu'um, but they only use Fire/Earth, which are only 2 of the 1000 uses the Thu'um has. It's the same thing as you using a Dagger and then saying you are emulating Two-Handed Sword Fighters.

Why wouldn't a DragonKnight using Frost be called a DragonKnight? Dragons are also known to use it. In fact, as of now, Dragons are only known to use Fire or Frost, any other type of power they have are thought to be just myths.

@UrQuan

UrQuan wrote: »

You're joking, right? Have you even read the full text that comes from instead of just the pieces you pulled out?
So you're upset that it's lore-breaking that dragonknights actually use dragon magic, and yet... the very source that you quoted to show why you're upset strongly supports the idea that they don't use dragon magic.

On that one I'd agree, but I don't place much (if any) stock in flavour text used to describe abilities. It's just a way to let the player understand what the ability does. I'll take lorebooks and events experienced in-game over them any day.

No, I'm not joking, and yes, I've read the whole text. I'll have you know that the second quote doesn't come from the same source as the first one, and so, it wasn't written by a drunk Knight. The Dragonknights (Drunk or not) claim their abilities come from Dragons.

"Heals for [27 / 28 / 29 / 30]% of missing Health. Increases Health regeneration by 40% for 20 seconds." --> This is enough for the player to understand what the skill does.
"Draw on your draconic blood" --> this doesn't help in any way, it just breaks the Lore.

Wy is my ex. bad? becaus you cant understand it?

Both are martial arts with different focuses and technics

for both exist 1000 possibilitys but they just focus one a small ammount of them.

But well mby take a better exemple:

Hung Kuen Shaolin Kung = Akaviri Martial Arts(Thu'um)

Hung Kuen Shaolin Kung is emulating animals.

two of them are Dragon and Tiger.

This are two different Technics and Martial arts and take very long to Master it.

All have it own Name, but overall it just known as Hung Kuen Shaolin Kung

Davadin · June 2015

forgot using them as mounts,.. i want a raid boss dragon which we don't defeat, but just like Molag Bal... we... make him run awya for a while.

next DLC please.

OH better yet, put it in the Imperial city, middle of cyrodiil!

Robbmrp · June 2015

Just because ESO has no Dragons doesn't mean that there couldn't be Daedric Versions added to the game. Molag Bal should be able to send some of his Daedric Dragon/Titans for us to fight. @ZOS should add in new "portals" that drop down bigger Daedra in random areas in each zone.

Rosveen · June 2015

Veridiano02 wrote: »

For everyone, so worried about dragons and the lore breaking, I only have two words for you: TIME TRAVEL. In the game we do it several times. Trough magic, visions... So, we found some ancient ruins, some mages touches some thing and ¡PUF! Time travel. And a lot of dragons. It will be a nice dungeon or trial.

Unless it's a Doctor Who episode, using time travel in every other quest is just shoddy writing.

lsneakl · June 2015

Couldnt they make a new zone where a dragon has taken over and torched everything? You have rolling valleys and mountains and then nestled away in a small like cove is the fiercest dragon you will ever cross. It takes 20 VR14s to bring it down and is the boss of epic proportions where to have slain the dragon brings you glory the world over.

I would like to think a dragon would be more than just a trial or boss but would be THE boss to beat in ESO for the foreseeable future. Maybe you get a dragon skin armor set or something for slaying it but the dragon would be by far the toughest creature to kill by far.

Also the respawn time could be a random number of days and it would never respawn in the same area of the world, during its time alive it would be able to travel the whole zone so it wouldnt be easy to camp and you wouldnt be able to grind on it for gear.

Shunravi · June 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

Veridiano02 wrote: »

For everyone, so worried about dragons and the lore breaking, I only have two words for you: TIME TRAVEL. In the game we do it several times. Trough magic, visions... So, we found some ancient ruins, some mages touches some thing and ¡PUF! Time travel. And a lot of dragons. It will be a nice dungeon or trial.

Unless it's a Doctor Who episode, using time travel in every other quest is just shoddy writing.

Time travel is fun!

Rosveen · June 2015

@Shunravi Don't remind me of Eleven. I'm still angry at Moffat for ruining River's character.

Shunravi · June 2015

@Rosveen

Tennant FTW!

Ghrimn · June 2015

@BuggeX

BuggeX wrote: »

Why is my example bad?

You're comparing real life Martial Arts to a Fantasy/Magical world Martial Art.
Judo & Boxing are"both martial arts with different focuses and techniques". You're basically saying: "How come birds have wings and dogs don't? They're both animals.".
Akaviri Martial Art is said to come from Dragons, but for some reason it looks nothing like the Thu'um. Judo comes from Tenjin Shinyo-ryu & Kitō-ryū, and all these techniques look a lot like each other.

1 & 3 can also be applied to your new example. You're comparing real life Martial Arts to a Fantasy/Magical world Martial Art. Hung Kuen emulates the techniques, tactics and physical movements of animals. Akaviri Martial Art doesn't emulate the techniques, tactics and physical movements of Dragons.

@Davadin

Davadin wrote: »

OH better yet, put it in the Imperial city, middle of cyrodiil!

It would make no sense whatsoever to find a Dragon in the Imperial City. Dragons are trying to survive, and they do that by hiding themselves. The Imperial City is one of the worst places to do that.

Yinmaigao · June 2015

Man, this thread has really gotten weird.

Can't we all just get along... and stab the sh*t outta some dragons to see what kinda loot their insides look like?

jcasini222ub17_ESO · June 2015

*puts on flamesuit*

Their loot? Their loot may look like krayt pearls

JD2013 · June 2015

Daedric Titans are basically "improved" Dragons created from a dragon by Molag Bal.

All the others that survived the dragon wars are in hiding.

Whendim_ESO · June 2015

Can't we all just get along... and stab the sh*t outta some dragons to see what kinda loot their insides look like?

See? This is exactly what I said all this talk of dragons would lead to. For the Divines, won't you please stop?