Are there Dragons in ESO?

BuggeX · June 2015

Ghrimn wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

are not known if they live or where, so just a Legend.

Mirmulnir and Nahfahlaar are alive.
Mirmulnir is the first Dragon you see (Alduin aside), Nahfahlaar = Nafaalilargus, and as you said he was only "killed" in E2 864.
Vulthuryol is also alive, although no one knows about him. He's the Dragon in Blackreach.

first http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nafaalilargus

Nafaalilargus is not Nahfahlaar

Nafaalilargus shares several similarities with a dragon named Nahfahlaar, who was recorded by the Blades in their Atlas of Dragons in 2E 373.

You have to stop thinking about later.
You Need to think at the time of E2 582 were we Play.
At this Moment we dont know if they live or not.
We know that they was some rumos back then or at the time. but dont know if anyone survived or where they escaped.

Raash · June 2015

Ghrimn wrote: »

@Raash

Raash wrote: »

Wouldnt break anything lore wise to be able to ride a dragon for what ever reason - most of the game world wouldnt even notice it was around since it would maybe just be for one day.

It actually would, as of now there are Dragons are as Intelligent as any other Playable race (If not more), they are also a very proud and arrogant race, if you think they would let a puny mortal ride them you're very mistaken.
"We could Mind Control them"
Not even Molag Bal was able to do that, so it's highly unlikely any of the player characters could.
Also, there aren't enough Dragons alive for every player to be able to ride them.

There are only one vestige so the other player characters dont really exist, so only one dragon of all that ever was or would be would be sufficient.

BBSooner · June 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Never Forget, that the Lore is writen allready. Thats wy ppl Keep saying there are no Dragons in Teso.
In Skyrim you get told that this is the First Dragon, since the Dragon War, witch was saw alive.

So the Dragon War was Late ME even bevor E1. Since them noone in Tamriel ever saw a Dragon alive.
We know that Dragons exist becaus we know the Stroy mostly from Alduin himself. But Back then E3 noone knows.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:There_Be_Dragons

The last known sighting of a dragon in Tamriel was in the time of Tiber Septim. He made a pact with the few remaining dragons, swearing to protect them if they would serve him. Despite his promise, dragons were still hunted and slain. It's not clear if the last ones fled Tamriel or if they were exterminated.

They were known of and hunted through the second and 3rd era. Their sightings were likely greatly reduced, sure, but they were known enough to have people actually hunt them despite the biased and ignorant accounts we get from civilians in TES:V.

Edit: Just realized the quote from There Be Dragons is also quoted above.

Yes with Tiber Septim, Late E3 - E4. He startet the new Era.
So right after Teso. Still Septim is not Born yet so noone knows...yet

The only one who could known about Dragons is Mannimarco

That's speculation based on nothing. Dragon hunters exist in this point in time in Tamriel. If you're looking for a single protagonist, Cyrus specifically encounters a dragon in the second era.

Nafaalilargus, the Dragon you speek about was slain in E2 864 by Cyrus ( Born E2 831)

We Play in E2 582.

Tiber Septim was Born in E2 828.

Atlas of Dragons, (written 2E 373 by the Blades)

this 4 Drags are "known" to alive

Ahbiilok - Sightings dating back to the early years of the Dragonguard throughout the northern Jerralls. Multiple attempts to kill him have failed. He is believed to be lairing somewhere in Morrowind.

Mirmulnir - Last sighted in the Reach in 2E 212.

Nahfahlaar - Repeated alliances with mortal protectors which have prevented his elimination. His last known protector was the King Casimir II of Wayrest, which the Dragonguard successfully ended in 2E 369. He escaped and current location is unknown.

Paarthurnax - The legendary lieutenant of Alduin in the Dragon War. He is now known to lair on the Throat of the World under the protection of the Greybeards of High Hrothgar. Master Araidh continues the established policy of avoiding direct confrontation with the Greybeards while waiting for an opportunity to exact justice upon him.

After this Book all Drags, exept Paarthurnax, are not known if they live or where, so just a Legend.
Paarthurnax is known to alive. Paarthurnax spent most of his time meditating, rarely communicating even with the Greybeards

Those are the dragons of which the Blades knew the names of. For example, Tiber makes a pact with Dragons who are not entered in to 'Atlas of Dragons', thus we cannot use it as a definitive example as to the remaining dragon population. We know two things:

1.) Dragons exist and are known to be hunted until the time period of Tiber's reign.
2.) There are Dragons that existed that aren't included in Atlas of Dragons.

This alone tells us that the population is not only greater than 0 (despite people insisting there "are no dragons alive during ESO"), but that there are enough to facilitate the dragon hunting for another 300+ years.

Ghrimn · June 2015

@BuggeX

BuggeX wrote: »

Nafaalilargus is not Nahfahlaar

Nafaalilargus shares several similarities with a dragon named Nahfahlaar, who was recorded by the Blades in their Atlas of Dragons in 2E 373.

You have to stop thinking about later.
You Need to think at the time of E2 582 were we Play.
At this Moment we dont know if they live or not.
We know that they was some rumos back then or at the time. but dont know if anyone survived or where they escaped.

Well, he could be, and I believe he is.
I was just telling you that those Dragons were alive, nothing else. And they do know they're alive, they just don't where where they are.

@Raash

Raash wrote: »

There are only one vestige so the other player characters dont really exist, so only one dragon of all that ever was or would be would be sufficient.

Even though the other players aren't the vestige (from your point of view) they still exist. Just because you're the Vestige, that doesn't mean you're powerful enough to control a Dragon.

UrQuan · June 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

Ghrimn wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

are not known if they live or where, so just a Legend.

Mirmulnir and Nahfahlaar are alive.
Mirmulnir is the first Dragon you see (Alduin aside), Nahfahlaar = Nafaalilargus, and as you said he was only "killed" in E2 864.
Vulthuryol is also alive, although no one knows about him. He's the Dragon in Blackreach.

first http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nafaalilargus

Nafaalilargus is not Nahfahlaar

Nafaalilargus shares several similarities with a dragon named Nahfahlaar, who was recorded by the Blades in their Atlas of Dragons in 2E 373.

You have to stop thinking about later.
You Need to think at the time of E2 582 were we Play.
At this Moment we dont know if they live or not.
We know that they was some rumos back then or at the time. but dont know if anyone survived or where they escaped.

So your argument is "after ESO they knew dragons were alive, and before ESO they knew dragons were alive, therefore they couldn't have known that dragons were alive during ESO". Um, yeah, OK then.

nimander99 · June 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Ghrimn wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

are not known if they live or where, so just a Legend.

Mirmulnir and Nahfahlaar are alive.
Mirmulnir is the first Dragon you see (Alduin aside), Nahfahlaar = Nafaalilargus, and as you said he was only "killed" in E2 864.
Vulthuryol is also alive, although no one knows about him. He's the Dragon in Blackreach.

first http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nafaalilargus

Nafaalilargus is not Nahfahlaar

Nafaalilargus shares several similarities with a dragon named Nahfahlaar, who was recorded by the Blades in their Atlas of Dragons in 2E 373.

You have to stop thinking about later.
You Need to think at the time of E2 582 were we Play.
At this Moment we dont know if they live or not.
We know that they was some rumos back then or at the time. but dont know if anyone survived or where they escaped.

So your argument is "after ESO they knew dragons were alive, and before ESO they knew dragons were alive, therefore they couldn't have known that dragons were alive during ESO". Um, yeah, OK then.

Where is that darn LoL button when you need it? Eh @UrQuan ?

Woman · June 2015

A lot of the Daedra bosses feel quite dragon like... But for the most part, dragons don't exist in the game

dafox187 · June 2015

infinet face palms

AhPook_Is_Here · June 2015

Nietzsche says there are always dragons, and to try not to become a *** if spar with them.

Raash · June 2015

Ghrimn wrote: »

@BuggeX

BuggeX wrote: »

Nafaalilargus is not Nahfahlaar

Nafaalilargus shares several similarities with a dragon named Nahfahlaar, who was recorded by the Blades in their Atlas of Dragons in 2E 373.

You have to stop thinking about later.
You Need to think at the time of E2 582 were we Play.
At this Moment we dont know if they live or not.
We know that they was some rumos back then or at the time. but dont know if anyone survived or where they escaped.

Well, he could be, and I believe he is.
I was just telling you that those Dragons were alive, nothing else. And they do know they're alive, they just don't where where they are.

@Raash

Raash wrote: »

There are only one vestige so the other player characters dont really exist, so only one dragon of all that ever was or would be would be sufficient.

Even though the other players aren't the vestige (from your point of view) they still exist. Just because you're the Vestige, that doesn't mean you're powerful enough to control a Dragon.

they are just different versions of what my char could have been and dont exist in my characters game world unless I choose to see them as regular joes - story and lore wise they do not exist.
There are multiple ways one could get around that the Vestige is not powerfull enough to controll a dragon (then again he just might be=), magical items & spells and what not. perhaps there even is a friendly dragon out there somewhere in some of the ages that has past or are to come. the doors are open and if they would choose to bring dragons into the game as NPC bosses or mounts it would be perfectly fine.

Whendim_ESO · June 2015

Honestly, what respectable, majestic Dragon/Wyvern would allow a lesser creature as any of us use them as a taxi? The thought is absurd.

renton1x1x1 · June 2015

i haven't seen any dragons maybe they're shy or have social anxiety

ssewallb14_ESO · June 2015

Nahfahlaar - Repeated alliances with mortal protectors which have prevented his elimination. His last known protector was the King Casimir II of Wayrest, which the Dragonguard successfully ended in 2E 369. He escaped and current location is unknown.

I always thought this was a great setup for a potential dungeon. Only a couple hundred years before ESO, Casimir II's descendants are already in the game, location of Nahfahlaar is currently unknown... Probably something about him being locked away for a couple hundred years in secret, then a relative of present day Casimir naively thinks he can release him and use his power for the Covenant/Guild/whatever.

ItsRejectz · June 2015

Couldn't imagine anything worse than flying mounts.. All the stuff you would miss on the ground, all the awesome locations you would miss purely because you was flying everywhere.
Would also destroy things like PvP to... Glad they will never come.

Ghrimn · June 2015

@Raash
The Vestige is NOT powerful enough to control a Dragon. He's NOT the Dragonborn. If you think a Dragon (Friendly or Not) would allow himself to be used as a mount, you're very mistaken.
There's only one acceptable way for Dragons to be in ESO:

1 Dragon, in the whole game, as a Trial Boss.

@renton1x1x1

renton1x1x1 wrote: »

i haven't seen any dragons maybe they're shy or have social anxiety

"They are just invisible, and very very quiet.".

Dragons do exist, but most of them were killed during the Dragon War. The few who survived are now in hiding, that's why we don't see them.

@ssewallb14_ESO

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

I always thought this was a great setup for a potential dungeon.

Even though I'm not against having 1 Dragon in the whole game as a Trial Boss, I do think it would be best to use one who was never mentioned.

burdocklightbringercub18_ESO · June 2015

Well, considering the most of the responses here have been in the negative, it has certainly sparked conversation - and hey, I am sure most of you, if ZOS went ahead and added them, would not complain and a part of you all would enjoy the experience!

Yinmaigao · June 2015

I don't want to ride/make friends with/talk to, or any of the above.

I just want to show him my pointy stabber and see what cool things come pouring out

RinaldoGandolphi · June 2015

No, there should be no dragons in ESO. They not only dont fit the time period, but they are unkillable by anyone but a Dragonborn.

Do you all realize dragons killed entire armies by themselves, without the Th'um 500 vestigaes would get owned by one Dragon.

You do realize that The Greybeards, just talking, will kill anyone who isn't Dragonbirn turning them to ash like Wulfharth.

The Nords revered the Dragonbirn Heros for a reason, the blades search for a dragonborn for a reason. There isn't a world that exists where 12....no 24 vestiges would have a chance against a dragon.

Not all dragons just fly around and breath fire either, Durnevir not only knows the voice, he is a master necromancer too who can call up armies from the Soul Cairn....nothing short of a Dragonbirn would have any chance, including 12 or more vestiges.

Leave dragons alone we got lots of daedric princes and other areas to explore

UrQuan · June 2015

burdocklightbringercub18_ESO wrote: »

I am sure most of you, if ZOS went ahead and added them, would not complain and a part of you all would enjoy the experience!

Hells no. If it was just one dragon, and it was a trials boss or something of equal significance, yeah, that would be fine and actually kind of cool. Anything else, though, would be terrible and might be enough for me to quit the game (depending on exactly how dragons were added in).

Deome · June 2015

burdocklightbringercub18_ESO wrote: »

I know there are in Skyrim, but I am assuming no? What about Wyverns?

There is one, but Paarthunax is not in-game at the moment.

Messy1 · June 2015

If they put the aforementioned dragons in the game they should be very hard to find and once you find them they should devour you whole and permanently kill the character who went looking for the dragon in the first place.

SeptimusDova · June 2015

The dragons do not want to play with us

We cannot get to High Hrothgar to bug Parthypoo. probably because somebody would just have to poke him with a stick and he would eat us.

"My claws have rended the flesh of innumerable foes, but I have never once been felled on the field of battle."
―Durnehviir

the Soul Cairn dragon is trapped and must for ever work in the fast food aisle

these two exist but we have no access to them.

And just for those a taste of the future

"Trust in me, Whiterun! Trust in Heimskr! For I am the chosen of Talos! I alone have been anointed by the Ninth to spread his holy word!"
―Heimskr

Talos the mighty! Talos the unerring! Talos the unassailable! To you we give praise!
We are but maggots, writhing in the filth of our own corruption! While you have ascended from the dung of mortality, and now walk among the stars!

But you were once man! Aye! And as man, you said, "Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you."

Aye, love. Love! Even as man, great Talos cherished us. For he saw in us, in each of us, the future of Skyrim! The future of Tamriel!

And there it is, friends! The ugly truth! We are the children of man! Talos is the true god of man! Ascended from flesh, to rule the realm of spirit!

The very idea is inconceivable to our Elven overlords! Sharing the heavens with us? With man? Ha! They can barely tolerate our presence on earth!

Today, they take away your faith. But what of tomorrow? Do the elves take your homes? Your businesses? Your children? Your very lives?

And what does the Empire do? Nothing! Nay, worse than nothing! The Imperial machine enforces the will of the Thalmor! Against its own people!

So rise up! Rise up, children of the Empire! Rise up, Stormcloaks! Embrace the word of mighty Talos, he who is both man and Divine!

For we are the children of man! And we shall inherit both the heavens and the earth! And we, not the Elves or their toadies, will rule Skyrim! Forever!

Terrible and powerful Talos! We, your unworthy servants, give praise! For only through your grace and benevolence may we truly reach enlightenment!

And deserve our praise you do, for we are one! Ere you ascended and the Eight became Nine, you walked among us, great Talos, not as god, but as man!

Trust in me, Whiterun! Trust in the words of Heimskr! For I am the chosen of Talos! I alone have been anointed by the Ninth to spread his holy word!

"Trust in me, Whiterun! Trust in Heimskr! For I am the chosen of Talos! I alone have been anointed by the Ninth to spread his holy word!"
―Heimskr

Mead MEad Mead Mead Mead Mead Mead Mead Mead mead mead mead mead.

Can you brew me an ale.

"Trust in me, Whiterun! Trust in Heimskr! For I am the chosen of Talos! I alone have been anointed by the Ninth to spread his holy word!"
―Heimskr

Is that fur coming out of your ears? You smell like a wet dog.

P.S Edited to add this VERY important public service message...

UP YOURS KNIFE EARS !!!!!!!!

Septimus D.

Tiberius Imperial Gardener at Large

bosmern_ESO · June 2015

The only dragon Alive during the 2nd Era was Paarthax (who was hiding on top of the throat of the world, no one knew about him other than the grey beards at the time and up until the 4th Era)

During Skyrim all dragons were supposed to be extinct but they almost broke the lore with bringing them back with Alduin.

SeptimusDova · June 2015

Bosmern you forgot one

img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120812201451/elderscrolls/images/5/56/DurnehviirSC.png

"My claws have rended the flesh of innumerable foes, but I have never once been felled on the field of battle."
―Durnehviir

SeptimusDova · June 2015

go back to the soul cairn and revisit that conversation D.Bone was tricked to the soul cairn in the first era

SeptimusDova · June 2015

But thats ok your prolly a wood elf. You know wood elves they have a property Dragons like..

For thou are extra crunchy and tasteth good with Ketchup

Septimus D.
Imperial Gardener at Large

kkravaritieb17_ESO · June 2015

How about you go and play skyrim or WoW and leave mounts as they are here? Food for thought

SeptimusDova · June 2015

I said nothing about mounts I would prefer all mounts gone even horses.thats at you kk

I was talking about the EXISTENCE of dragons in the Interregnum period. Not mounts your entire post is smarmy and is bad.

drschplatt · June 2015

I have a friend in game who goes by the name of "Dragon Me'around" does that count?

Rosveen · June 2015

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

The only dragon Alive during the 2nd Era was Paarthax (who was hiding on top of the throat of the world, no one knew about him other than the grey beards at the time and up until the 4th Era)

During Skyrim all dragons were supposed to be extinct but they almost broke the lore with bringing them back with Alduin.

We have proof of other dragons alive during the Second and Third Era from the Atlas of Dragons, events of Redguard and events of Battlespire.

In Skyrim, dragons for the most part are extinct as they're supposed to be - and there's nothing even remotely lore-breaking about them being revived by Alduin.

just testing, nothing to see here, move along