group tool- get rid of it

Fruitmass · June 2015

I've not had much luck with it yet but I am curious are vet characters able to form groups now thanks to yesterdays patch? I mean not just in theory but actually queued in and managed to form a group?

Mettaricana · June 2015

its like waiting for a dungeon group in the launch of ff online ARR 3 hours later dungeon is ready

leshpar · June 2015

PBpsy wrote: »

There is a group tool?

Bring up your party interface (default P) when you're not in a group and it'll bring up the group finder.

Blackhorne · June 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ranique wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I've only tried it for finding specific dungeons, but I may have to try it with a broader search

*If I can pick on you for a minute....if that's O K

This is why people think it doesn't work. When you limit your chances, chances are small

what limits chances:
-people not using it
-not using it correctly (trying to make changes after hitting search)
-people telling others it doesn't work
-people using zone chat vs the grouping tools
-being too selective when using it correctly

I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to be selective but when the forum theme and zone chat theme is...don't use it...results will apply.

*For those saying..ZOS needs to fix it for me to use it.
*How do you know its not fixed if you aren't using it and telling others its broken?

It works fine for many already but the enhancements since April haven't hurt it, but only made it better.
Good luck!

This is exactly why I'm actually saying to take it down for a while. There are still some issues with it (if people are allowed to make changes after hitting search that should work, so it is a bug that it doesn't work. Either prevent people from making changes or improve so it works.)

By taking it down, making some improvements and maybe even updating the interface a bit, people will try it out when it returns and it will have a chance. The current situation that people don't try it just cause it is always broken is maybe silly, but it is how masses work.

That doesn't make logical sense as the tool is working.
Following that logic the whole game would need to be shut down to fix bugs too

Not really. Group finder is inherently sensitive to social pressures -- it depends entirely on a critical mass of people using it, and bugs or inefficiencies in it will reduce that mass, leading to more delays finding a group, reducing that mass even further. It's a vicious cycle.

Aside from widespread show-stopping bugs, general game bugs will not significantly decrease the number of players; they'll more likely avoid (or exploit, depending on the type of bug) the bugged situations, but continue playing in other ways. Even those who do quit over game bugs don't significantly diminish others' ability to play the game.

Put another way, any dissatisfaction with group finder has a direct and immediate effect on its usefulness; most dissatisfaction with the overall game has only an indirect effect which only rises to a crisis if it affects a large number of players for a sustained period of time.

Nhoxxx · June 2015

"Fixed an issue where normal Dragonstar Arena groups were not being formed through the Grouping Tool."

But there is really no problem at all with the tool. Not even one.

lovESOng · June 2015

Easiest, cheapest, highly customisable grouping tool in every MMO: custom chat channels.

pecheckler · June 2015

go right ahead and delete it
everyone who wants to use it is already jumping ship to console where there is a fully functional group finder
have fun stuck in your circa 2001 LFG system spending absurd amounts of time forming groups

shame on zenimax for never fixing it

and for the 80 bajillionth time - Zenimax has CONFIRMED the PC group finder is not working correctly. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/158526/is-the-dungeon-finder-broken-yes-or-no/p1

NewBlacksmurf · June 2015

Blackhorne wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ranique wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I've only tried it for finding specific dungeons, but I may have to try it with a broader search

*If I can pick on you for a minute....if that's O K

This is why people think it doesn't work. When you limit your chances, chances are small

what limits chances:
-people not using it
-not using it correctly (trying to make changes after hitting search)
-people telling others it doesn't work
-people using zone chat vs the grouping tools
-being too selective when using it correctly

I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to be selective but when the forum theme and zone chat theme is...don't use it...results will apply.

*For those saying..ZOS needs to fix it for me to use it.
*How do you know its not fixed if you aren't using it and telling others its broken?

It works fine for many already but the enhancements since April haven't hurt it, but only made it better.
Good luck!

This is exactly why I'm actually saying to take it down for a while. There are still some issues with it (if people are allowed to make changes after hitting search that should work, so it is a bug that it doesn't work. Either prevent people from making changes or improve so it works.)

By taking it down, making some improvements and maybe even updating the interface a bit, people will try it out when it returns and it will have a chance. The current situation that people don't try it just cause it is always broken is maybe silly, but it is how masses work.

That doesn't make logical sense as the tool is working.
Following that logic the whole game would need to be shut down to fix bugs too

Not really. Group finder is inherently sensitive to social pressures -- it depends entirely on a critical mass of people using it, and bugs or inefficiencies in it will reduce that mass, leading to more delays finding a group, reducing that mass even further. It's a vicious cycle.

Aside from widespread show-stopping bugs, general game bugs will not significantly decrease the number of players; they'll more likely avoid (or exploit, depending on the type of bug) the bugged situations, but continue playing in other ways. Even those who do quit over game bugs don't significantly diminish others' ability to play the game.

Put another way, any dissatisfaction with group finder has a direct and immediate effect on its usefulness; most dissatisfaction with the overall game has only an indirect effect which only rises to a crisis if it affects a large number of players for a sustained period of time.

So your opinion is the grouping tools need to be removed for personal reasons rather than logic. People do use it regularly so removing something that does function will have an impact on others. Any dissatisfaction with anything has a direct affect but again, concluding this tool should be removed until fixed is silly. There are so many things in this game that don't function as intended....should the game be put on hold

F7sus4 · June 2015

Ranique wrote: »

Nobody uses the group tool.

Pugs do.

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Katsibrokos · June 2015

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/173235/request-premade-group-addon#latest

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO · June 2015

The lfg tool is horrible. Tried it again last night after the patch and it's still badly desgined. No wonder nobody uses it. Spent more than an hour to get a v14 tank for our group and eventually gave up.

Ranique · June 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ranique wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I've only tried it for finding specific dungeons, but I may have to try it with a broader search

*If I can pick on you for a minute....if that's O K

This is why people think it doesn't work. When you limit your chances, chances are small

what limits chances:
-people not using it
-not using it correctly (trying to make changes after hitting search)
-people telling others it doesn't work
-people using zone chat vs the grouping tools
-being too selective when using it correctly

I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to be selective but when the forum theme and zone chat theme is...don't use it...results will apply.

*For those saying..ZOS needs to fix it for me to use it.
*How do you know its not fixed if you aren't using it and telling others its broken?

It works fine for many already but the enhancements since April haven't hurt it, but only made it better.
Good luck!

This is exactly why I'm actually saying to take it down for a while. There are still some issues with it (if people are allowed to make changes after hitting search that should work, so it is a bug that it doesn't work. Either prevent people from making changes or improve so it works.)

By taking it down, making some improvements and maybe even updating the interface a bit, people will try it out when it returns and it will have a chance. The current situation that people don't try it just cause it is always broken is maybe silly, but it is how masses work.

That doesn't make logical sense as the tool is working.
Following that logic the whole game would need to be shut down to fix bugs too

Actually....they did.
Well not as rigourus that they took it down for some weeks, but Tamriel Unlimited has been marketed as a reboot. Telling the people that ESO pc launch was a fail and that they improved it and dropped the monthly fees and doing so under a new name.

Only if it would be working properly it would not make sense. As it is currently not working properly, but barely, it should be taken down and relaunched when the bugs are out. I suspect and hope they will copy the grouptool from ESO console. If so this would have much more success if they take down the current one now.

NewBlacksmurf · June 2015

Ranique wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ranique wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I've only tried it for finding specific dungeons, but I may have to try it with a broader search

*If I can pick on you for a minute....if that's O K

This is why people think it doesn't work. When you limit your chances, chances are small

what limits chances:
-people not using it
-not using it correctly (trying to make changes after hitting search)
-people telling others it doesn't work
-people using zone chat vs the grouping tools
-being too selective when using it correctly

I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to be selective but when the forum theme and zone chat theme is...don't use it...results will apply.

*For those saying..ZOS needs to fix it for me to use it.
*How do you know its not fixed if you aren't using it and telling others its broken?

It works fine for many already but the enhancements since April haven't hurt it, but only made it better.
Good luck!

This is exactly why I'm actually saying to take it down for a while. There are still some issues with it (if people are allowed to make changes after hitting search that should work, so it is a bug that it doesn't work. Either prevent people from making changes or improve so it works.)

By taking it down, making some improvements and maybe even updating the interface a bit, people will try it out when it returns and it will have a chance. The current situation that people don't try it just cause it is always broken is maybe silly, but it is how masses work.

That doesn't make logical sense as the tool is working.
Following that logic the whole game would need to be shut down to fix bugs too

Actually....they did.
Well not as rigourus that they took it down for some weeks, but Tamriel Unlimited has been marketed as a reboot. Telling the people that ESO pc launch was a fail and that they improved it and dropped the monthly fees and doing so under a new name.

Only if it would be working properly it would not make sense. As it is currently not working properly, but barely, it should be taken down and relaunched when the bugs are out. I suspect and hope they will copy the grouptool from ESO console. If so this would have much more success if they take down the current one now.

I think we are miss-communicating ideas.
If a systems main function is working but there are bugs or unexpected outcomes, to completely remove such a system without another immediate solution in place of such a system does more harm than good.

My interpretation of what you're suggesting is to disable the grouping tool entirely due to unexpected results or bugs. Using that logic and systematic approach, that would also suggest that the game as a whole would need to be disabled too. Basically we'd all be running around in a beta environment with greeted out options, skills, abilities, NPC's and items.

To me that more damaging

Each class has one or two skills that produce unexpected results, dungeons, quests, VR content and NPC's all exibit unexpected results even with all the fixes.

I disagree that my interpretation of your suggested systematic approach is one that ZOS should follow based on your comments above. I think many of us would be open to a different tool if perceived as a better tool but to disable anything that does function more than 80-90% in the ways it's intended would be a step backwards and also hurt the games community by doing so.

Alphashado · June 2015

If it only works under certain stipulations then it's not working correctly.

If it works for some people and not others then it's not working correctly.

If ZoS has officially acknowledged that it isn't working correctly (which they have), then it isn't working correctly.

Why do you think they completely restructured the LFG system for consoles? If the PC version worked correctly, then wouldn't they have just copy/pasted the same system onto console? Why waste developmental funds redesigning a functioning system?

For every person that has good results using it, there are two that have poor results. And insulting the intelligence of the community by suggesting that everyone is too dumb to use it correctly is ridiculous.

If you have to que for every vet dungeon in order to find a group, then it isn't working correctly. Vet players want to que and group for specific dungeons each day, namely the daily pledges.

It's not working correctly. It hasn't for a very long time. ZoS knows this. The vast majority of the Veteran Players know this. Now, as mentioned above, it works even less than the sub-optimal potential it has because people are tired of trying to use a sub-optimal system.

ragespell · June 2015

If ZoS is sure the tool is working and is just because few people use it, why don't they advertise ii with server wide messages few times a day?
Something along this line: "Do you know we have a group finder tool and is working perfectly now! Press bla bla bla and find a group in minutes!!! Bla bla bla" printed on the monitor of every player.

NewBlacksmurf · June 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

If it only works under certain stipulations then it's not working correctly.

If it works for some people and not others then it's not working correctly.

If ZoS has officially acknowledged that it isn't working correctly (which they have), then it isn't working correctly.

Why do you think they completely restructured the LFG system for consoles? If the PC version worked correctly, then wouldn't they have just copy/pasted the same system onto console? Why waste developmental funds redesigning a functioning system?

Where does this come from?
The UI for everything is different on consoles but the functionality is the same with respects to the platform and each platforms programming and network/servers.

People on PC including myself use it with success. Why is that hard to accept?

The main issue on PC is that people don't use it. Why they don't use it doesn't matter
If a lot of people on PC used it, continued to use it all the time then a rational conclusion can be drawn.

Right now it's a lot of opinions and a lot of refusal to use it.

When something isn't working as intended, this means the outcome of the system differs. It does not in any way shape or form mean that the system doesn't produce results...as in groups will not be formed.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil. A wheel unused eventually goes flat

Alphashado · June 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

People on PC including myself use it with success. Why is that hard to accept?

See. That is the difference between you and I. I have acknowledged many times that it works for some people. I have never once accused you or anyone else that uses it with success as being a liar. My standpoint as always been that it does not work for everyone. You however, refuse to acknowledge that it does not work for some people w/o insulting their intelligence by suggesting they are unable to use it correctly.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Inconsistency does not = working correctly. So allow me to ask the same question:

People on PC including myself use it without success. Why is that hard to accept?

Furthermore, ZoS has acknowledged that it isn't working correctly. Why is that hard to accept?

Athas24 · June 2015

The group tool should show you how may others are lfg for the area, if there are groups open to join (so you can select one yourself), It should let you type a note in such as *farm run* or *Must know fight* or *first timers* something like that. This way you know what you are getting into. It should also show how many of which class are queued up and an estimated wait time. This would make it more viable for over-world hunting/questing, world bosses, dolmen groups and dungeons or trials.

NewBlacksmurf · June 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

People on PC including myself use it with success. Why is that hard to accept?

See. That is the difference between you and I. I have acknowledged many times that it works for some people. I have never once accused you or anyone else that uses it with success as being a liar. My standpoint as always been that it does not work for everyone. You however, refuse to acknowledge that it does not work for some people w/o insulting their intelligence by suggesting they are unable to use it correctly.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Inconsistency does not = working correctly. So allow me to ask the same question:

People on PC including myself use it without success. Why is that hard to accept?

Furthermore, ZoS has acknowledged that it isn't working correctly. Why is that hard to accept?

Because in 100% of those who I've played with or who post as such, they are claiming that "one" or "the only selection" they would use is not working rather than addressing the entire use of the tool as a whole.

I don't know your definition but the point is this...if you're someone who isn't getting results, talk to someone who is and figure out how to get results. Let me know if you need help

coryevans_3b14_ESO · June 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

People on PC including myself use it with success. Why is that hard to accept?

See. That is the difference between you and I. I have acknowledged many times that it works for some people. I have never once accused you or anyone else that uses it with success as being a liar. My standpoint as always been that it does not work for everyone. You however, refuse to acknowledge that it does not work for some people w/o insulting their intelligence by suggesting they are unable to use it correctly.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Inconsistency does not = working correctly. So allow me to ask the same question:

People on PC including myself use it without success. Why is that hard to accept?

Furthermore, ZoS has acknowledged that it isn't working correctly. Why is that hard to accept?

Because in 100% of those who I've played with or who post as such, they are claiming that "one" or "the only selection" they would use is not working rather than addressing the entire use of the tool as a whole.

I don't know your definition but the point is this...if you're someone who isn't getting results, talk to someone who is and figure out how to get results. Let me know if you need help

I'm wondering why this guy wont acknowledge that ZOS confirmed it doesn't work right....It's like he is completely ignoring it....I smell a troll.

wilsonirayb16_ESO · June 2015

SgtSilock wrote: »

I can understand them wanting to keep the social aspect, but this only applies to games where there are multiple servers. Since ESO is one big megaserver (I think?) they can implement a dungeon tool similar to the one seen in World Of Warcraft, and be okay.

I am not big into living a second life in a virtual world, I if wanted that I'd play something like Sims or aptly titled Second Life. I don't think that level of socializing is healthy in fantasy MMOs - it just creates an awkward atmosphere of people seeking adoration and adulation from strangers on the internet. We don't need any more of that..!

However modern MMOs drive a wedge between people by designing game worlds and game systems/mechanics that do not require interacting with others.

The dungeons in this game are shared, but nothing requires any one elses help. People certainly don't talk with another or communicate strategy.

Zone and guild chats are just text walls of spam or arugments.

And the forums are a cesspool, half heartedly handled my mods depending on what their attitude is that day.

The way to increase socializing, is to make content that encourages people to actually interact. They thought they had it right with open dungeons/zones, but the mechanics aren't there to support it.

So when you say 'keeping the social aspect,' that is not a fair (or accurate) justification for why they'd hang onto the group tool. It's just a failed concept they haven't decided what to do with yet.

NewBlacksmurf · June 2015

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

People on PC including myself use it with success. Why is that hard to accept?

See. That is the difference between you and I. I have acknowledged many times that it works for some people. I have never once accused you or anyone else that uses it with success as being a liar. My standpoint as always been that it does not work for everyone. You however, refuse to acknowledge that it does not work for some people w/o insulting their intelligence by suggesting they are unable to use it correctly.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Inconsistency does not = working correctly. So allow me to ask the same question:

People on PC including myself use it without success. Why is that hard to accept?

Furthermore, ZoS has acknowledged that it isn't working correctly. Why is that hard to accept?

Because in 100% of those who I've played with or who post as such, they are claiming that "one" or "the only selection" they would use is not working rather than addressing the entire use of the tool as a whole.

I don't know your definition but the point is this...if you're someone who isn't getting results, talk to someone who is and figure out how to get results. Let me know if you need help

I'm wondering why this guy wont acknowledge that ZOS confirmed it doesn't work right....It's like he is completely ignoring it....I smell a troll.

This guys is not a troll but has read a lot and realizes that many people are going off very old information....
Maybe in Oct - November around the time Dragon Star arena was added...that seemed to cause the issues.
Lets go through the Patch notes:

December 2014
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142486/patch-notes-v1-5-7#latest
-The Elder Scrolls Online v1.5.7 is an incremental patch that addresses issues with Trials leaderboards, the Grouping Tools performance

-UI
Grouping Tools

Fixed an issue that was reducing the effectiveness of the Grouping Tool. This will address instances where there were a large number of player characters in the Tool that had not yet been matched into a group.

March 2015
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154426/patch-notes-v1-6-5#latest
Grouping Tools

-Fixed an issue if you selected a role at the same time a group search started, the icon to toggle roles could not be used.
-Sound effects will now play when you select or deselect the Preferred Roles icon in the Grouping Tools.

May 2015
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171247/patch-notes-v2-0-9#latest
UI
General

- Fixed an issue where an offline group member could become the group leader in the event that the current group leader left or logged off.

June 2015

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172920/patch-notes-v2-0-10#latest

-The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited v2.0.10 is an incremental patch that fixes a few issues with quests, gameplay, and also adjusts some grouping rules within Veteran Ranks

UI
Grouping Tool

-Fixed an issue where normal Dragonstar Arena groups were not being formed through the Grouping Tool.
-You will now be grouped with other Veteran Rank player characters within 5 Veteran Ranks when using the Grouping Tool.

Awe · June 2015

did all the group dungeons below lvl 50 using this tool
but vet part needs some more options, like level range

Proteus1 · June 2015

I've sat in the dungeon finder queue as a healer/dps for literally hours without finding a group. I never select a specific dungeon because my fear is that it would then take even longer. The only time it seems to find a group reasonably quickly is during very particular peak play times.

Alphashado · June 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

People on PC including myself use it with success. Why is that hard to accept?

See. That is the difference between you and I. I have acknowledged many times that it works for some people. I have never once accused you or anyone else that uses it with success as being a liar. My standpoint as always been that it does not work for everyone. You however, refuse to acknowledge that it does not work for some people w/o insulting their intelligence by suggesting they are unable to use it correctly.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Inconsistency does not = working correctly. So allow me to ask the same question:

People on PC including myself use it without success. Why is that hard to accept?

Furthermore, ZoS has acknowledged that it isn't working correctly. Why is that hard to accept?

Because in 100% of those who I've played with or who post as such, they are claiming that "one" or "the only selection" they would use is not working rather than addressing the entire use of the tool as a whole.

I don't know your definition but the point is this...if you're someone who isn't getting results, talk to someone who is and figure out how to get results. Let me know if you need help

I'm wondering why this guy wont acknowledge that ZOS confirmed it doesn't work right....It's like he is completely ignoring it....I smell a troll.

This guys is not a troll but has read a lot and realizes that many people are going off very old information....
Maybe in Oct - November around the time Dragon Star arena was added...that seemed to cause the issues.
Lets go through the Patch notes:

December 2014
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142486/patch-notes-v1-5-7#latest
-The Elder Scrolls Online v1.5.7 is an incremental patch that addresses issues with Trials leaderboards, the Grouping Tools performance

-UI
Grouping Tools

Fixed an issue that was reducing the effectiveness of the Grouping Tool. This will address instances where there were a large number of player characters in the Tool that had not yet been matched into a group.

March 2015
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154426/patch-notes-v1-6-5#latest
Grouping Tools

-Fixed an issue if you selected a role at the same time a group search started, the icon to toggle roles could not be used.
-Sound effects will now play when you select or deselect the Preferred Roles icon in the Grouping Tools.

May 2015
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171247/patch-notes-v2-0-9#latest
UI
General

- Fixed an issue where an offline group member could become the group leader in the event that the current group leader left or logged off.

June 2015

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172920/patch-notes-v2-0-10#latest

-The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited v2.0.10 is an incremental patch that fixes a few issues with quests, gameplay, and also adjusts some grouping rules within Veteran Ranks

UI
Grouping Tool

-Fixed an issue where normal Dragonstar Arena groups were not being formed through the Grouping Tool.
-You will now be grouped with other Veteran Rank player characters within 5 Veteran Ranks when using the Grouping Tool.

Isn't it interesting that you were telling everyone that it was working great before the patch in March. You were still telling everyone they were not using it correctly before the patch in May. You were still telling everyone that it didn't work just because of usage before the patch in June, and you were still insisting that it works just fine right up until this latest patch.

So you just linked 5 different attempts that ZoS has made to fix something that you have been saying doesn't need fixing.

So very strange how they keep trying to fix something that isn't broken huh? Even stranger that according to you, it was working great before all those attempts to fix it. And still you insist it isn't broken.

It's hilarious

NewBlacksmurf · June 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

People on PC including myself use it with success. Why is that hard to accept?

See. That is the difference between you and I. I have acknowledged many times that it works for some people. I have never once accused you or anyone else that uses it with success as being a liar. My standpoint as always been that it does not work for everyone. You however, refuse to acknowledge that it does not work for some people w/o insulting their intelligence by suggesting they are unable to use it correctly.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Inconsistency does not = working correctly. So allow me to ask the same question:

People on PC including myself use it without success. Why is that hard to accept?

Furthermore, ZoS has acknowledged that it isn't working correctly. Why is that hard to accept?

Because in 100% of those who I've played with or who post as such, they are claiming that "one" or "the only selection" they would use is not working rather than addressing the entire use of the tool as a whole.

I don't know your definition but the point is this...if you're someone who isn't getting results, talk to someone who is and figure out how to get results. Let me know if you need help

I'm wondering why this guy wont acknowledge that ZOS confirmed it doesn't work right....It's like he is completely ignoring it....I smell a troll.

This guys is not a troll but has read a lot and realizes that many people are going off very old information....
Maybe in Oct - November around the time Dragon Star arena was added...that seemed to cause the issues.
Lets go through the Patch notes:

December 2014
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142486/patch-notes-v1-5-7#latest
-The Elder Scrolls Online v1.5.7 is an incremental patch that addresses issues with Trials leaderboards, the Grouping Tools performance

-UI
Grouping Tools

Fixed an issue that was reducing the effectiveness of the Grouping Tool. This will address instances where there were a large number of player characters in the Tool that had not yet been matched into a group.

March 2015
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154426/patch-notes-v1-6-5#latest
Grouping Tools

-Fixed an issue if you selected a role at the same time a group search started, the icon to toggle roles could not be used.
-Sound effects will now play when you select or deselect the Preferred Roles icon in the Grouping Tools.

May 2015
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171247/patch-notes-v2-0-9#latest
UI
General

- Fixed an issue where an offline group member could become the group leader in the event that the current group leader left or logged off.

June 2015

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172920/patch-notes-v2-0-10#latest

-The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited v2.0.10 is an incremental patch that fixes a few issues with quests, gameplay, and also adjusts some grouping rules within Veteran Ranks

UI
Grouping Tool

-Fixed an issue where normal Dragonstar Arena groups were not being formed through the Grouping Tool.
-You will now be grouped with other Veteran Rank player characters within 5 Veteran Ranks when using the Grouping Tool.

Isn't it interesting that you were telling everyone that it was working great before the patch in March. You were still telling everyone they were not using it correctly before the patch in May. You were still telling everyone that it didn't work just because of usage before the patch in June, and you were still insisting that it works just fine right up until this latest patch.

So you just linked 5 different attempts that ZoS has made to fix something that you have been saying doesn't need fixing.

So very strange how they keep trying to fix something that isn't broken huh? Even stranger that according to you, it was working great before all those attempts to fix it. And still you insist it isn't broken.

It's hilarious

Not at all interesting...did you read the notes and dates.
Considering I wasn't playing from Aug - TU release in March what's your point?
It seems you're just arguing without any valid information while I'm attempting to help others enjoy the game and stay informed about what does work and how to use the system

Edit: and just to be clear I've been saying that it does work and never said there were not bugs.
You're saying it needs to be fixed to work

I wasn't even on before March as I had stopped subbing to this game.
In April ...different story

Alphashado · June 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

People on PC including myself use it with success. Why is that hard to accept?

See. That is the difference between you and I. I have acknowledged many times that it works for some people. I have never once accused you or anyone else that uses it with success as being a liar. My standpoint as always been that it does not work for everyone. You however, refuse to acknowledge that it does not work for some people w/o insulting their intelligence by suggesting they are unable to use it correctly.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Inconsistency does not = working correctly. So allow me to ask the same question:

People on PC including myself use it without success. Why is that hard to accept?

Furthermore, ZoS has acknowledged that it isn't working correctly. Why is that hard to accept?

Because in 100% of those who I've played with or who post as such, they are claiming that "one" or "the only selection" they would use is not working rather than addressing the entire use of the tool as a whole.

I don't know your definition but the point is this...if you're someone who isn't getting results, talk to someone who is and figure out how to get results. Let me know if you need help

I'm wondering why this guy wont acknowledge that ZOS confirmed it doesn't work right....It's like he is completely ignoring it....I smell a troll.

This guys is not a troll but has read a lot and realizes that many people are going off very old information....
Maybe in Oct - November around the time Dragon Star arena was added...that seemed to cause the issues.
Lets go through the Patch notes:

December 2014
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142486/patch-notes-v1-5-7#latest
-The Elder Scrolls Online v1.5.7 is an incremental patch that addresses issues with Trials leaderboards, the Grouping Tools performance

-UI
Grouping Tools

Fixed an issue that was reducing the effectiveness of the Grouping Tool. This will address instances where there were a large number of player characters in the Tool that had not yet been matched into a group.

March 2015
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154426/patch-notes-v1-6-5#latest
Grouping Tools

-Fixed an issue if you selected a role at the same time a group search started, the icon to toggle roles could not be used.
-Sound effects will now play when you select or deselect the Preferred Roles icon in the Grouping Tools.

May 2015
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171247/patch-notes-v2-0-9#latest
UI
General

- Fixed an issue where an offline group member could become the group leader in the event that the current group leader left or logged off.

June 2015

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172920/patch-notes-v2-0-10#latest

-The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited v2.0.10 is an incremental patch that fixes a few issues with quests, gameplay, and also adjusts some grouping rules within Veteran Ranks

UI
Grouping Tool

-Fixed an issue where normal Dragonstar Arena groups were not being formed through the Grouping Tool.
-You will now be grouped with other Veteran Rank player characters within 5 Veteran Ranks when using the Grouping Tool.

Isn't it interesting that you were telling everyone that it was working great before the patch in March. You were still telling everyone they were not using it correctly before the patch in May. You were still telling everyone that it didn't work just because of usage before the patch in June, and you were still insisting that it works just fine right up until this latest patch.

So you just linked 5 different attempts that ZoS has made to fix something that you have been saying doesn't need fixing.

So very strange how they keep trying to fix something that isn't broken huh? Even stranger that according to you, it was working great before all those attempts to fix it. And still you insist it isn't broken.

It's hilarious

Not at all interesting...did you read the notes and dates.
Considering I wasn't playing from Aug - TU release in March what's your point?
It seems you're just arguing without any valid information while I'm attempting to help others enjoy the game and stay informed about what does work and how to use the system

Edit: and just to be clear I've been saying that it does work and never said there were not bugs.
You're saying it needs to be fixed to work

I wasn't even on before March as I had stopped subbing to this game.
In April ...different story

I thought my point was pretty clear. Endless bugs = not working correctly. I won't say it again because doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

Safe travels.

NewBlacksmurf · June 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

People on PC including myself use it with success. Why is that hard to accept?

See. That is the difference between you and I. I have acknowledged many times that it works for some people. I have never once accused you or anyone else that uses it with success as being a liar. My standpoint as always been that it does not work for everyone. You however, refuse to acknowledge that it does not work for some people w/o insulting their intelligence by suggesting they are unable to use it correctly.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Inconsistency does not = working correctly. So allow me to ask the same question:

People on PC including myself use it without success. Why is that hard to accept?

Furthermore, ZoS has acknowledged that it isn't working correctly. Why is that hard to accept?

Because in 100% of those who I've played with or who post as such, they are claiming that "one" or "the only selection" they would use is not working rather than addressing the entire use of the tool as a whole.

I don't know your definition but the point is this...if you're someone who isn't getting results, talk to someone who is and figure out how to get results. Let me know if you need help

I'm wondering why this guy wont acknowledge that ZOS confirmed it doesn't work right....It's like he is completely ignoring it....I smell a troll.

This guys is not a troll but has read a lot and realizes that many people are going off very old information....
Maybe in Oct - November around the time Dragon Star arena was added...that seemed to cause the issues.
Lets go through the Patch notes:

December 2014
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142486/patch-notes-v1-5-7#latest
-The Elder Scrolls Online v1.5.7 is an incremental patch that addresses issues with Trials leaderboards, the Grouping Tools performance

-UI
Grouping Tools

Fixed an issue that was reducing the effectiveness of the Grouping Tool. This will address instances where there were a large number of player characters in the Tool that had not yet been matched into a group.

March 2015
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154426/patch-notes-v1-6-5#latest
Grouping Tools

-Fixed an issue if you selected a role at the same time a group search started, the icon to toggle roles could not be used.
-Sound effects will now play when you select or deselect the Preferred Roles icon in the Grouping Tools.

May 2015
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171247/patch-notes-v2-0-9#latest
UI
General

- Fixed an issue where an offline group member could become the group leader in the event that the current group leader left or logged off.

June 2015

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172920/patch-notes-v2-0-10#latest

-The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited v2.0.10 is an incremental patch that fixes a few issues with quests, gameplay, and also adjusts some grouping rules within Veteran Ranks

UI
Grouping Tool

-Fixed an issue where normal Dragonstar Arena groups were not being formed through the Grouping Tool.
-You will now be grouped with other Veteran Rank player characters within 5 Veteran Ranks when using the Grouping Tool.

Isn't it interesting that you were telling everyone that it was working great before the patch in March. You were still telling everyone they were not using it correctly before the patch in May. You were still telling everyone that it didn't work just because of usage before the patch in June, and you were still insisting that it works just fine right up until this latest patch.

So you just linked 5 different attempts that ZoS has made to fix something that you have been saying doesn't need fixing.

So very strange how they keep trying to fix something that isn't broken huh? Even stranger that according to you, it was working great before all those attempts to fix it. And still you insist it isn't broken.

It's hilarious

Not at all interesting...did you read the notes and dates.
Considering I wasn't playing from Aug - TU release in March what's your point?
It seems you're just arguing without any valid information while I'm attempting to help others enjoy the game and stay informed about what does work and how to use the system

Edit: and just to be clear I've been saying that it does work and never said there were not bugs.
You're saying it needs to be fixed to work

I wasn't even on before March as I had stopped subbing to this game.
In April ...different story

I thought my point was pretty clear. Endless bugs = not working correctly. I won't say it again because doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

Safe travels.

Let's be clear here...
your comment -" My standpoint as always been that it does not work for everyone. You however, refuse to acknowledge that it does not work for some people w/o insulting their intelligence by suggesting they are unable to use it correctly."

I'm saying and have been educating people that it does work. I even provided with specifics but now your arguments seems to have changed to argument that "Endless bugs = not working correctly."

Nothing I've said was its working flawlessly or without bugs.
Why not just use the information the company provides and seek assistance from those who are giving you info and trying to offer assistance in having better results for yourself?

Naivefanboi · June 2015

Yinmaigao wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I've only tried it for finding specific dungeons, but I may have to try it with a broader search

*If I can pick on you for a minute....if that's O K

This is why people think it doesn't work. When you limit your chances, chances are small

what limits chances:
-people not using it
-not using it correctly (trying to make changes after hitting search)
-people telling others it doesn't work
-people using zone chat vs the grouping tools
-being too selective when using it correctly

I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to be selective but when the forum theme and zone chat theme is...don't use it...results will apply.

*For those saying..ZOS needs to fix it for me to use it.
*How do you know its not fixed if you aren't using it and telling others its broken?

It works fine for many already but the enhancements since April haven't hurt it, but only made it better.
Good luck!

Turn about is fair play, so I shall pick on you for a moment ;D

Just curious.... do you use the grouping tool yourself?

I have tried to use it as ANY role on multiple toons (queue tank or dps and as healer or dps). The ONE time it placed me into a group (after sitting in queue for approximately an hour) if placed me in a low level group, with a greater than 5 vet rank difference.

While I can agree that there is a lot of conspiracy theory going on with it, there is also the fact that is is just plain garbage. This may partially be due to the lack of players using it, or problems with coding, but the end result is the same: It doesn't do what it is advertised to do.

Yup, agree completely, buut zos knows best!
Thats why they should gut chat logs from pc, "just makes the game better "

Found a twitter group for creating a massive AH basicly message me if your intrested.
Hopfully they can help us fill grouos for raids and such since chat logs are gutted for our own benefit.