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[POLL] : Show your support for Duels within your faction 1v1
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SIXR_sCaR✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)My man and I love kicking each others' butts. But we love playing with each other more; the only way to duel each other right now would be to make alts on different factions and meet in Cyrodiil, and that's no fun for the main gameplay. Furthermore it would be fun, player-generated content to do things like host little dueling tournaments and the like.
To SAFEGUARD dueling:
1) Implement it so there is no dueling in cities or you get the guards on your tail if you try (perhaps the criminal underbellies have those things that rhyme with night pub that you're not supposed to talk about). This should declutter dueling in main hub areas.
2) You start with the option of accepting duels turned off. Thus the people who want them have to activate it, and it's no effort or big deal for those who don't want them.
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Yasha✭✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???
I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL
Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.
It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.
@Tandor
"lag in PvE" that is ridiculous, I don't see how adding duelling would create zergs and lag trains, so there is zero reason why this would add any more lag than there is currently.
Some have said "I don't want to be harrassed by people who want to duel me and who call me chicken"
My answer : toggle ability to see or not see the duel invites. And if you can't handle someone who spams whispers to you, you have nothing to do on the internet my friend. Also /ignore will instantly rid you of the problem.
Another fact that people seem to forget, is that we all play on a megaserver. Not everyone is in the same zone. Guess what the server does? It places in the zone your guild mates, friends, and people who take part in the same kind of activity as you. Which is why, if you hate PvP so much and are only member of PvE guilds, there is a good chance you wouldn't even meet duellers..
Balance issues? Just know that on the NA and on the EU servers there are already duelling guild (Legend in Na if i'm not mistaken and Arena in EU). People already duel the heck out of each other, and it's a good thing because it highlights the bugs and imbalances in the game. You won't see more posts than there already are, because the people who want to duel their faction already duel the opposing factions.
If you think PvP imbalances influence PvE too much, it's true on both sides. Guess what major change happened because of PvE tanks whining? Ultimate generation. Ners and buffs are going to happen.
The only semi valid argument you have is the diversion of developer resources from "more important issues", because we all want this game to be fixed before adding new content.
I wasn't raising those points as mine, although I agree with some of them. I was countering the accusation that people who vote against duelling are selfish with no thoughts for anyone but themselves. I made the point that those people have raised a number of perfectly valid reasons for voting against duelling, whether others agree with them or not. They are entitled to hold those views and vote accordingly, and to do so is not remotely selfish any more than to vote for duelling is selfish because it fails to take account of the views of those who oppose it.
The main reason presented by people against duels is not wanting to be harassed everywhere to participate in a duel. Solutions to get around that issue have been repeatedly posted, but it doesn't seem to sway their opinion. Similarly solutions or compromise on a few of the other sticking points such as potential lag in pve have been discussed. And again no one seems to change their stance.
This suggests to me that many of the people voting "no" are just being obstructionist for the sake of it. And that is not cool imo. Look, this is a feature that would greatly aid players who love pvp and if there is some way to implement it without adversely impacting gameplay for you I would encourage you to change your stance and support it, or at least not to obstruct it.
The only solution to harrassment offered that I can recall is to have an auto-decline feature, but Aneima explains in post #85 why that doesn't always provide a sufficient answer.
People are entitled to their point of view regardless of which side of the fence they're on. If you're going to complain that the "no" voters are only thinking of themselves and haven't changed their position to reflect the opposite arguments then please confirm how many "yes" voters are thinking of others and have changed their position?
PvP always causes friction between PvPers and PvEers, and that's why it is best kept in separate PvP areas. Both sets of players hold very strong views on it and are unlikely to change them, but that doesn't mean that only one side is entitled to hold those views and express them when asked a simple question like "Do you support duels". When some PvPers attack not only the argument but also the character of the PvEers (e.g "you're selfish") then it only reinforces the PvEers' view that they want nothing to do with PvP in any form.
There have been several suggestions of how to implement duelling without causing a problem for people that do not like it. One which would completely eliminate the issue is to have duels only occur in certain places- like a training ground in Cyrodiil for example.
As shown in this thread, at least some of the people that want duels have listened to the other side and have suggested compromises that while not exactly what they might have originally wanted, will still allow them to duel while also ensuring it does not impact the game experience of other members of the community.
So now that you have been given a clear example of a way to implement duels without it having to impact your gameplay and also been shown how people on the other side are actually trying to think of ways to be inclusive and cater for other members of the community, what do you think?
My position is clear in post #47 on page 1.
All I've been doing lately is defending those who have given good reasons for holding their views - whether I agree with them or not - against those who accuse them of being selfish or obstructive because they happen to hold a different view to those making the accusations.
Bear in mind also, of course, that people are asked to vote on the proposition outlined in the original post, not in the light of any subsequent discussion.
We have repeatedly posted ways to implement a duelling system that takes into account all of the concerns raised by people in this thread.
Some of them, not all of them. People are still entitled to hold a contrary opinion without being insulted. You need to wake up to the fact that people will continue to oppose your ideas if you continue to call them selfish, obstructive, and negative. What possible reason is there for them to change their views to accord with those who are insulting them?
People with different views are not bad, people who persist in being obstructionist when they no longer have any logical reason to be are being selfish and obstinate. Since I have already spelled this out to you a few times but you continue to try and misrepresent my position I can only assume that you fall into the same bracket.
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SIXR_sCaR✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)shots fired dammmm ^^^^0
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???
I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL
Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.
It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.
@Tandor
"lag in PvE" that is ridiculous, I don't see how adding duelling would create zergs and lag trains, so there is zero reason why this would add any more lag than there is currently.
Some have said "I don't want to be harrassed by people who want to duel me and who call me chicken"
My answer : toggle ability to see or not see the duel invites. And if you can't handle someone who spams whispers to you, you have nothing to do on the internet my friend. Also /ignore will instantly rid you of the problem.
Another fact that people seem to forget, is that we all play on a megaserver. Not everyone is in the same zone. Guess what the server does? It places in the zone your guild mates, friends, and people who take part in the same kind of activity as you. Which is why, if you hate PvP so much and are only member of PvE guilds, there is a good chance you wouldn't even meet duellers..
Balance issues? Just know that on the NA and on the EU servers there are already duelling guild (Legend in Na if i'm not mistaken and Arena in EU). People already duel the heck out of each other, and it's a good thing because it highlights the bugs and imbalances in the game. You won't see more posts than there already are, because the people who want to duel their faction already duel the opposing factions.
If you think PvP imbalances influence PvE too much, it's true on both sides. Guess what major change happened because of PvE tanks whining? Ultimate generation. Ners and buffs are going to happen.
The only semi valid argument you have is the diversion of developer resources from "more important issues", because we all want this game to be fixed before adding new content.
I wasn't raising those points as mine, although I agree with some of them. I was countering the accusation that people who vote against duelling are selfish with no thoughts for anyone but themselves. I made the point that those people have raised a number of perfectly valid reasons for voting against duelling, whether others agree with them or not. They are entitled to hold those views and vote accordingly, and to do so is not remotely selfish any more than to vote for duelling is selfish because it fails to take account of the views of those who oppose it.
The main reason presented by people against duels is not wanting to be harassed everywhere to participate in a duel. Solutions to get around that issue have been repeatedly posted, but it doesn't seem to sway their opinion. Similarly solutions or compromise on a few of the other sticking points such as potential lag in pve have been discussed. And again no one seems to change their stance.
This suggests to me that many of the people voting "no" are just being obstructionist for the sake of it. And that is not cool imo. Look, this is a feature that would greatly aid players who love pvp and if there is some way to implement it without adversely impacting gameplay for you I would encourage you to change your stance and support it, or at least not to obstruct it.
The only solution to harrassment offered that I can recall is to have an auto-decline feature, but Aneima explains in post #85 why that doesn't always provide a sufficient answer.
People are entitled to their point of view regardless of which side of the fence they're on. If you're going to complain that the "no" voters are only thinking of themselves and haven't changed their position to reflect the opposite arguments then please confirm how many "yes" voters are thinking of others and have changed their position?
PvP always causes friction between PvPers and PvEers, and that's why it is best kept in separate PvP areas. Both sets of players hold very strong views on it and are unlikely to change them, but that doesn't mean that only one side is entitled to hold those views and express them when asked a simple question like "Do you support duels". When some PvPers attack not only the argument but also the character of the PvEers (e.g "you're selfish") then it only reinforces the PvEers' view that they want nothing to do with PvP in any form.
There have been several suggestions of how to implement duelling without causing a problem for people that do not like it. One which would completely eliminate the issue is to have duels only occur in certain places- like a training ground in Cyrodiil for example.
As shown in this thread, at least some of the people that want duels have listened to the other side and have suggested compromises that while not exactly what they might have originally wanted, will still allow them to duel while also ensuring it does not impact the game experience of other members of the community.
So now that you have been given a clear example of a way to implement duels without it having to impact your gameplay and also been shown how people on the other side are actually trying to think of ways to be inclusive and cater for other members of the community, what do you think?
My position is clear in post #47 on page 1.
All I've been doing lately is defending those who have given good reasons for holding their views - whether I agree with them or not - against those who accuse them of being selfish or obstructive because they happen to hold a different view to those making the accusations.
Bear in mind also, of course, that people are asked to vote on the proposition outlined in the original post, not in the light of any subsequent discussion.
We have repeatedly posted ways to implement a duelling system that takes into account all of the concerns raised by people in this thread.
Some of them, not all of them. People are still entitled to hold a contrary opinion without being insulted. You need to wake up to the fact that people will continue to oppose your ideas if you continue to call them selfish, obstructive, and negative. What possible reason is there for them to change their views to accord with those who are insulting them?
People with different views are not bad, people who persist in being obstructionist when they no longer have any logical reason to be are being selfish and obstinate. Since I have already spelled this out to you a few times but you continue to try and misrepresent my position I can only assume that you fall into the same bracket.
I'm not misrepresenting your position at all, you again accuse people of being obstructive and selfish because they hold a different view to you and aren't swayed by your arguments that their views have been accounted for. No argument at all has been put forward to counter the view, for example, that the introduction of duelling would divert developer resources from more important things, nor has any argument been put forward to counter people's individual experience of having been pursued and harassed when declining duels in other games.
There will always be tension in PvE areas when PvP is introduced to them, and that is reflected in the discussion here. As always, it is the PvPers who throw the insults around when others have the temerity to disagree with them. This discussion is no different, and has run its course.0 -
Blackhorne✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Here's what I would like to see for in-faction duels:- Default is dueling off; you have to turn it on in settings to send or receive dueling invites. This setting is sent to the server, so anyone sending a dueling invite to someone with dueling turned off will simply receive an automatic refusal.
- You can invite anyone to duel anywhere you'd like. BUT
- Dueling in front of town guards or members of faction military gives you a bounty.
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Yasha✭✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???
I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL
Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.
It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.
@Tandor
"lag in PvE" that is ridiculous, I don't see how adding duelling would create zergs and lag trains, so there is zero reason why this would add any more lag than there is currently.
Some have said "I don't want to be harrassed by people who want to duel me and who call me chicken"
My answer : toggle ability to see or not see the duel invites. And if you can't handle someone who spams whispers to you, you have nothing to do on the internet my friend. Also /ignore will instantly rid you of the problem.
Another fact that people seem to forget, is that we all play on a megaserver. Not everyone is in the same zone. Guess what the server does? It places in the zone your guild mates, friends, and people who take part in the same kind of activity as you. Which is why, if you hate PvP so much and are only member of PvE guilds, there is a good chance you wouldn't even meet duellers..
Balance issues? Just know that on the NA and on the EU servers there are already duelling guild (Legend in Na if i'm not mistaken and Arena in EU). People already duel the heck out of each other, and it's a good thing because it highlights the bugs and imbalances in the game. You won't see more posts than there already are, because the people who want to duel their faction already duel the opposing factions.
If you think PvP imbalances influence PvE too much, it's true on both sides. Guess what major change happened because of PvE tanks whining? Ultimate generation. Ners and buffs are going to happen.
The only semi valid argument you have is the diversion of developer resources from "more important issues", because we all want this game to be fixed before adding new content.
I wasn't raising those points as mine, although I agree with some of them. I was countering the accusation that people who vote against duelling are selfish with no thoughts for anyone but themselves. I made the point that those people have raised a number of perfectly valid reasons for voting against duelling, whether others agree with them or not. They are entitled to hold those views and vote accordingly, and to do so is not remotely selfish any more than to vote for duelling is selfish because it fails to take account of the views of those who oppose it.
The main reason presented by people against duels is not wanting to be harassed everywhere to participate in a duel. Solutions to get around that issue have been repeatedly posted, but it doesn't seem to sway their opinion. Similarly solutions or compromise on a few of the other sticking points such as potential lag in pve have been discussed. And again no one seems to change their stance.
This suggests to me that many of the people voting "no" are just being obstructionist for the sake of it. And that is not cool imo. Look, this is a feature that would greatly aid players who love pvp and if there is some way to implement it without adversely impacting gameplay for you I would encourage you to change your stance and support it, or at least not to obstruct it.
The only solution to harrassment offered that I can recall is to have an auto-decline feature, but Aneima explains in post #85 why that doesn't always provide a sufficient answer.
People are entitled to their point of view regardless of which side of the fence they're on. If you're going to complain that the "no" voters are only thinking of themselves and haven't changed their position to reflect the opposite arguments then please confirm how many "yes" voters are thinking of others and have changed their position?
PvP always causes friction between PvPers and PvEers, and that's why it is best kept in separate PvP areas. Both sets of players hold very strong views on it and are unlikely to change them, but that doesn't mean that only one side is entitled to hold those views and express them when asked a simple question like "Do you support duels". When some PvPers attack not only the argument but also the character of the PvEers (e.g "you're selfish") then it only reinforces the PvEers' view that they want nothing to do with PvP in any form.
There have been several suggestions of how to implement duelling without causing a problem for people that do not like it. One which would completely eliminate the issue is to have duels only occur in certain places- like a training ground in Cyrodiil for example.
As shown in this thread, at least some of the people that want duels have listened to the other side and have suggested compromises that while not exactly what they might have originally wanted, will still allow them to duel while also ensuring it does not impact the game experience of other members of the community.
So now that you have been given a clear example of a way to implement duels without it having to impact your gameplay and also been shown how people on the other side are actually trying to think of ways to be inclusive and cater for other members of the community, what do you think?
My position is clear in post #47 on page 1.
All I've been doing lately is defending those who have given good reasons for holding their views - whether I agree with them or not - against those who accuse them of being selfish or obstructive because they happen to hold a different view to those making the accusations.
Bear in mind also, of course, that people are asked to vote on the proposition outlined in the original post, not in the light of any subsequent discussion.
We have repeatedly posted ways to implement a duelling system that takes into account all of the concerns raised by people in this thread.
Some of them, not all of them. People are still entitled to hold a contrary opinion without being insulted. You need to wake up to the fact that people will continue to oppose your ideas if you continue to call them selfish, obstructive, and negative. What possible reason is there for them to change their views to accord with those who are insulting them?
People with different views are not bad, people who persist in being obstructionist when they no longer have any logical reason to be are being selfish and obstinate. Since I have already spelled this out to you a few times but you continue to try and misrepresent my position I can only assume that you fall into the same bracket.
I'm not misrepresenting your position at all, you again accuse people of being obstructive and selfish because they hold a different view to you and aren't swayed by your arguments that their views have been accounted for. No argument at all has been put forward to counter the view, for example, that the introduction of duelling would divert developer resources from more important things, nor has any argument been put forward to counter people's individual experience of having been pursued and harassed when declining duels in other games.
There will always be tension in PvE areas when PvP is introduced to them, and that is reflected in the discussion here. As always, it is the PvPers who throw the insults around when others have the temerity to disagree with them. This discussion is no different, and has run its course.
I am not interested in changing people's views, I want to listen to what people think about this and then come up with solutions so that a duelling system can be introduced without hurting other players game experience. And that is exactly what I and others in this thread have done. We have already thought of ways to introduce a duelling system that takes into account all the fears expressed by the nay sayers in this thread.
Personally I would be happy with just the standard duel anywhere system like in wow, but the most common reason among people who do not want a duel system seems to be that they have had to deal with some sort of harassment in that system. We thought of a way to totally side-step that problem (and other issues), but even after addressing all the concerns you are still against it -just "because". Your irrational hate for pvp is not a valid reason for not having duelling in the game.
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Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)MercyKilling wrote: »The game does not need more PvP options. <--that's a period. Means full stop.
Really? I guess youre going to be really disappointed come the Imperial City then.
I get that people prefer PvE over PvP or dont want anything to do with PvP. But your preference does not mean others have to suffer a lack of content. PvP isnt hurting you. Infact PvP at this time has not received as much attention as it probably should have in the first year. PvP is a huge part of this game and deserves just as much attention as PvE receives.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax1 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)As long as they found a way to circumvent the possibility of harassment and spam. I would be just fine with Duels. My major concern are the morons that will go to major hubs and challenge everyone within eye shot of themselves. Anything that promotes or opens the door for harassment and spam is just not a good mechanic in my opinion. So if they can prevent that. Theyve got my vote.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax1 -
Xandryah✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Almost all of the objections posted in the comments could be mitigated by smart design choices.
yeah ^^ many nay-sayer's objections can be mitigated by creative solutions... there is a solution for many things in MMO's
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✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)Amsel_McKay wrote: »We all had guy follow us in our previous MMOs almost on the whole man starting with "please, just one fight" and ending with "chicken" and rude emotes when we ignored them. Also there is no point for duels cause the game is not 1v1 pvp and that would cause more of "nerf this ability/class" posts.
At some point rather fast, that would have irritated me somewhat and I would have turned round and slaughtered him, hehe.
Well if there was a option to block for the hardcore PvE`ers that that would be fine, so it does not take it away from any of us who may like such a thing.
And tbh both camps are responsible for nerf this or nerf that threads.
We all play the game, we all got a right to play how we want.
I am a hybrid player who enjoys PvE and PvP, at least in PvP its dynamic unlike scripted and predicable NPC`s.
IMO anyways
The block option just automaticaly declines the proposed duels and does not guaranteed that the guy will leave you at peace and not follow you for 10 minutes. The best option i think is special places, like small arenas, where you can enter and fight there...
So many times I have been followed by a person I turned down a duel.... Naked dancing, killing all your mobs, friend requesting, group requesting, guild requesting, zone spamming, the list goes on and on just because I dont want to duel your VR14 toon with my level 35 one... Small arenas would be the key to this, so people who dont want to duel or be spammed can stay away, and add a duel channel so this wont be yelled or zoned:
"VR14 Temp LF Duel front of Davons Watch"
This...I really don't want to be bothered. Also, nothing would make people want to NERF things or buff things more due to the glaring differences that 1v1 would show.Edited by coryevans_3b14_ESO on June 1, 2015 1:49PM0 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)I am not interested in changing people's views, I want to listen to what people think about this and then come up with solutions so that a duelling system can be introduced without hurting other players game experience. And that is exactly what I and others in this thread have done. We have already thought of ways to introduce a duelling system that takes into account all the fears expressed by the nay sayers in this thread.
Really? The opt-in system, and the requirement for it to take place in Arenas are good ways to handle most (but not all) of the harassment issues, but I have yet to see an adequate explanation with regards to @Tandor's point about developer resources.
We have not had a meaningful content release since Upper Craglorn. You are talking about a system that will require new assets in almost every aspect of gameplay. How do you balance that requirement with the people who say that they would rather have the developers making new zones with that time/energy/money?
I have yet to see an answer to that. Asking for such an answer doesn't seem too selfish to me... you might even call it an entirely reasonable request.1 -
Uviryth✭✭✭✭✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)If people want it, then fine by me. As long as Bethesda PROMISES to NEVER EVER EVER listen to ANYONE crying for class-balance because of 1vs1-performance and as long as players promise to not whine about getting roflstomped while playing underwhelming duelingspeccs.0 -
Yasha✭✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)I am not interested in changing people's views, I want to listen to what people think about this and then come up with solutions so that a duelling system can be introduced without hurting other players game experience. And that is exactly what I and others in this thread have done. We have already thought of ways to introduce a duelling system that takes into account all the fears expressed by the nay sayers in this thread.
Really? The opt-in system, and the requirement for it to take place in Arenas are good ways to handle most (but not all) of the harassment issues, but I have yet to see an adequate explanation with regards to @Tandor's point about developer resources.
We have not had a meaningful content release since Upper Craglorn. You are talking about a system that will require new assets in almost every aspect of gameplay. How do you balance that requirement with the people who say that they would rather have the developers making new zones with that time/energy/money?
I have yet to see an answer to that. Asking for such an answer doesn't seem too selfish to me... you might even call it an entirely reasonable request.
Putting the duelling area in Cyrodiil would address all the harassment type issues mentioned. People already go there to pvp and this would keep pve and pvp separate (again addressing a concern posted by some on this thread). Personally I would prefer to have a duel anywhere type system, but I am not a totally selfish *** so am willing to compromise heavily to ensure everyone is happy. There could even be some upside from having duelling localized in specific areas.
Regarding developer resources, that line of argument is the very essence of being selfish. They want resources to be spent on the things they like and don't really care about the desires of other community members. You won't see me in other threads voting down implementation of some much wanted feature for no other reason than "I don't like it so it shouldn't get attention, spend all your resources on me please".
I don't know how hard it is to create a duelling system, it looks like it would be a far smaller job than creating new zones since you would need few if any new art assets, but the programing side of things could be extremely complicated. It would not require "new assets in almost every aspect of gameplay" as far as I can see. This is not an all or nothing scenario. Other aspects of the game are also important; putting in a duelling system may delay some other feature, or conversely implementation of other features may delay duelling. Which feature should take precedence needs to be looked at case by case.Edited by Yasha on June 2, 2015 10:08AM1 -
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✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)the biggest sad thing about dueling guilds is they have to be cross faction, and i would love to try dueling with people i know and like.I play every class in every situation. I love them all.1 -
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✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)If people want it, then fine by me. As long as Bethesda PROMISES to NEVER EVER EVER listen to ANYONE crying for class-balance because of 1vs1-performance and as long as players promise to not whine about getting roflstomped while playing underwhelming duelingspeccs.
This guy gets it. If players learn the game, they start to post whine/nerf post, like the say goes "Ignorance is bliss"
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Marginis✭✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)I don't see why this would be a bad idea. Personally, I think there are higher priorities, but hey, who doesn't want the option to do something they couldn't before as long as it doesn't take away already existing options?@Marginis on PC, Senpai Fluffy on Xbox, Founder of Magicka. Also known as Kha'jiri, The Night Mother, Ma'iq, Jane Shepard, Damia, Kintyra, Zoor Do Kest, You, and a few others.1 -
Yasha✭✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
I believe that post was regarding no arena in the Imperial city, as a translation of German promotional materials mistakenly indicated that there was going to be small scale pvp added with the Imperial city. This poll is about duelling, which is quite different. I haven't anywhere seen the devs rule out implementing a duelling system at some point.1 -
Tonturri✭✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
I don't think anyone is saying/demanding 'drop all everything now and do this or else'. That said, I could go into every single suggestion thread and say 'I think developer resources would be better spent elsewhere'...which results in that argument being utterly pointless to bring up. We all have our own ideas as to where we'd like the resources to go. I believe the point of the thread was about dueling systems itself :P Let's let ZOS decide what they want to work on first.They want resources to be spent on the things they like
TLDR - we can argue about where we want dev resources to until the cows (which made delicious steaks yesterday) come home, but it serves no point whatsoever.
Anyway...>.>
As for dueling itself - aren't there a couple arena spread around the zones? I haven't explored all of them, but I know there was an arena quest in Reaper's March. It'd make sense that those places could also be used as practice arenas. Pop into group with someone, clicky 'E' on the door and select 'Duel'.
There could also be an item you have to equip that goes into the costume slot that somehow adds the option of dueling. Perhaps a mask, banner attached to the back, or colored pool of shiny around both players' feet.2 -
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✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)As for dueling itself - aren't there a couple arena spread around the zones? I haven't explored all of them, but I know there was an arena quest in Reaper's March. It'd make sense that those places could also be used as practice arenas. Pop into group with someone, clicky 'E' on the door and select 'Duel'.
This is a good idea. There are areas that have arenas already. I am not sure if they are equitably spread but using the pre-existing assets would certainly decrease the time/energy required by the devs to implement it and would, likely, make it an issue of mechanics and programming rather than art or animation (which would be needed if they were going to add new arena buildings to the world).
Confining arena use to Cyrodiil would also help with the harassment concerns although I am not sure it would make it available enough to all of the people desiring it. All in all though, I like the idea of using the arenas in the world as is (with possibly some instancing so the people already questing/exploring in those locations aren't drawn into the fight).1 -
AssaultLemming✭✭✭✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)Better to just get on with enforcers vs outlaws I think0
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Snippit_Thomas✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Good for testing builds2 -
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✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)With 75% for and 24% against, where is the last 1%?
Illuminati!2 -
arena25✭✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)I wholeheartedly agree that we need duels. Heck, if you're gonna add duels, why not add achievements for duels, such as:
First Duel (Participate in your first duel).
Ten Duels (Participate in ten duels).
25 Duels (Participate in 25 duels).
50 Duels (Participate in 50 duels).
100 Duels (Participate in 100 duels). Earns title "Prince in Duels"
First Blood (Win your first duel). Earns title "Duel Winner"
Fight (Win 10 duels). Earns title "Challenger"
Massacre (Win 25 duels). Earns title "Gladiator"
Bloodbath (Win 50 duels). Earns title "Champion of Duels"
EXTERMINATION (Win 100 duels). Earns title "Master of Duels"
That's me and my own two cents.If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen!1 -
Aneima✭✭✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)I read some posts a while back ranging from topics such as "fear needed a nerf" and even more outrageous "dodge roll needs to be nerfed". Threads like those are only posted and are only brought up as an issue because of one thing...Pvp in Cyrodill.
Even though there would be a toggle on/off switch for duels, designated dueling areas or Pvp arenas the one thing the pve players do not want to see is their class that they spent time leveling up, gearing up, learning and getting used to it's abilities and rotations is to see that class nerfed in one way or another. It's a fact every single mmorpg ever created once Pvp or duels are added you can 100% go check any games forums you will see someone somewhere complaining about class balances and this or that class needs a nerf.
I mean come on "dodge roll" really?
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✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Absolutely yes. It's useful for a variety of reasons, from fun sparring, to testing builds or even just practice, to community tournaments. Add an options section under the Gameplay settings that you can check off or on to allow duel requests from None, or choose to allow from Friends, Guildmates, and/or Anyone. If someone isn't in the choices you've set, no duel request ever should hit your screen
. Simple rules like other games have used including no gear durability loss and the duel ending when you would be at 1 hitpoint or less (without killing you, but ending the duel and clearing all negative effects on both participants) would keep it clean and enjoyable without hassle. -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Absolutely yes. It's useful for a variety of reasons, from fun sparring, to testing builds or even just practice, to community tournaments. Add an options section under the Gameplay settings that you can check off or on to allow duel requests from None, or choose to allow from Friends, Guildmates, and/or Anyone. If someone isn't in the choices you've set, no duel request ever should hit your screen. Simple rules like other games have used including no gear durability loss and the duel ending when you would be at 1 hitpoint or less (without killing you, but ending the duel and clearing all negative effects on both participants) would keep it clean and enjoyable without hassle.
All fantastic ideas.1 -
NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)No, because I can't stand being at a crafting station or doing something else in a town that makes sense to do in a town and a bunch of dweebs are spraying fire everywhere while doing the childish bunny hop all over the place.
It also defeats the purpose of being alliance united against the enemy. ZOS made a whole game based around lore and canon, they should stick to it.
I'd only support duels if :- They remove alliance restrictions on PVE content
- You can only duel outside of a town (and that includes quest hub areas or camps out in the world)
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Nihili✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)MercyKilling wrote: »The game does not need more PvP options. <--that's a period. Means full stop.
Lol this guy though.2
