Ishammael wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Called it months ago which faction will be dead next AD or EP.

You realize that it doesn't matter, right?

Did to you since you felt the need to reply

TequilaFire wrote: »

AS AD on Chillrend really could use DC's help stemming the red tide.
Too many times the map is almost completely red and DC is attacking what little AD has left instead of going and pushing EP out of DC's own keeps.
I know there is no love for AD, but let's push back red then fight each other!

Sounds like ol' Thornblade! Talk about Deja Vu!



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They need to buff AoE targets, no target cap.. just radius falloff. Boom, now my DC team will farm the EP/AD newb zergs.

God_flakes wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

You may not like what I just posted but I think you all know it's 1000% true * and it what's needed to save DC.

Um no. People drop from large Wal Mart guilds because of all the petty infighting, drama and craptastic personalities that go along with them. When you give of yourself night after night, micromanaging HUGE numbers, babysitting herds and making important calls and slaving to gather intel for your team and then they turn around and backstab you, condescendingly and deliberately undermine you and start to make your game time MISERABLE- you tend to want to isolate yourself and try to find fun in the nooks and crannies you can find it in this game. Ep DOES have greater numbers. Their alliance ranks are not the only reason they dominate. One need only look at the pop bars in every campaign. Dc is hurting bad. And dc hurts themselves even worse.

frozywozy wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

balberith wrote: »

Simply stating fact. Blame what you will.

1. Historic low pop
2. Majority of the "Elite" pvp players/guilds are gone
3. Poor/inconsistent leadership

Congrats AD/EP Enjoy farming the stragglers and having AS/TB as buff campaigns.

Once again, I understand that DC has less players but I will keep saying this : Stop waiting for someone to take the command. Do a favor to your faction and start groups from the zone chat. Bring them into a teamspeak, teach them how to play and how to be organized like you learned it back in the days in those epic guilds. It will be frustrating, it will require alot of patience but it will be all worth it in the end. This is how other factions got some decent guilds going from the start and I don't expect it going any different in DC. I believe that people are not "mentally affected" in DC and will learn as much as in any other faction. You just have to do your faction a favor and to make things happen.

From what I saw on Chillrend tonight there are at least 3 groups that recruit from zone. Some require TS & some don't. Unlike the AD/EP guilds you allude to that built up back at the start, currently the game doesn't have the same population base to pull from which makes this substantially more challenging. There's also the fact that there are probably fewer high PvP rank DC players to pull from which means limited/no access to detonation & vigor (currently). Game performance is another big issue; all it takes is a couple lagged out fights at a keep or a resource and people lose interest in large groups. I suspect that by the time one of these guilds becomes as organized as their opponents, the organized AD/EP guilds will have burned out.

That said, I'd love to see DC get one or two organized guild groups going that are capable of fighting the AD/EP organized guilds because that would improve the situation for the small man stuff that I prefer. When the fights are even on all three fronts there's more opportunity to cut off reinforcements and/or create fights behind the lines. When they're skewed the way they are now, a small man capping resources to cut off a keep just gets zerged.

I understand that it takes some time for low players to gain access to those high AR skills but you know, my guild gets alot of new recruits from Tamriel Foundry and Official forums recruitement threads (most of them are not even vr1) and every wednesday, thursday and sunday, we get those new whelps with us and teach them what we can about Cyrodiil and try to give them as much AP as possible in the process. if EP can do it, DC can too I'm sure.

As others have said, it comes as no surprise that EP guilds don't have a problem recruiting; folks want to join the 'winning team' & not have to face the challenge. It's also easier to teach new players when they are carried by the more experienced players. DC guilds looking to bulk up don't have that luxury.

EskimoBrother wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

The elite DC need to stop F'ing around in these 'small team BS' crap and actually try to help the rest of us. Your small team isn't beating Grom's team, ever, so drop the AP farm game and actually try to help us.

Don't blame us. Sorry we dont need groups of 48 to get *** done. Back in azura's we'd watch you guys wipe over and over trying to take a keep until our small group came over to lend you guys a hand. I'd say you need to quit *** around with your garbage zerg and actually work on developing some good core players, then maybe you'll be able to take a defended keep without help. Who knows, you guys might actually get more than 5k ap an hour in the process, then you'll be able to get your beloved alliance ranks to help you win!



Dc needs more guilds like shortbus, not more mindless zerging.

Maybe if you had groups of 48, you'd be competing with the larger EP guilds. Shitting on people who aren't on your level of experience really makes you look childish. That mentality will be the death of DC, "garbage zergs" won't be.

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Show me one of the small teams beating Grom's big team consistently. Don't lie to yourself.

And yes, we wipe when we shouldn't, but we try, and keep on fighting. We do great against everyone except a very few teams. But we're trying hard to get better.

Good effort tonight on Had for Teleporter blue, we almost had it. We really appreciate the few other blue teams coming out to help us. I just wish DC could come together like EP does. They call for help and it comes.

edit: Everyone wants to be walmart.

I admire that you are going to keep fighting and improve instead of giving up. It takes a lot, and it's a hard road but it can be done.

God_flakes wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

DC could really use a return of the full No Mercy team (or something like it) or just someone to compliment Short Bus.

That I've seen DC diehards running with Decibel (yes, AD side) gives me a sad.

When and if the third faction fails completely (DC being the most likely), then this game is done PVP wise.

I ran with EL, Nm and EG (the guilds of old). All were good. NM isn't the ONLY blue guild of note. Eg was a very coordinated and effective guild (and I can say that despite my anger with Brandon). Eg had solid leadership: Drako, Stg Sorc, Sooz, Brandon, Nemesis. All good players and leaders. But we all know what happened: ep numbers skyrocketed. Dc's did not. Many good guilds and leaders burned out and got really sick and tired of facing enormous red blobs of lag at every keep. TB ruined the morale and the game for a lot of people. This is a game, it isn't real life- it is supposed to be an escape from real life. Ep didn't do anything special-they just made a whole lot of people a whole lot of miserable and they have come out on top by default. (Slow clap) And ep will be left fighting Ad eventually until they throw in the towel as well. And every campaign will be red. Again, slow clap. Hooray. ESO pvp dies. But with any luck the FO4 announcement will come in 15 hours and Bethesda can redeem themselves from this epic failure.

Yup, i ran in groups with Drako, Lion's Brigade, and Brandon occasionally back in the day too, but what i see now.....i don't have acceptable words to describe.

PVP is dying plain and simple, small scale skirmish pvp is harder and harder to find, everything is a zerg, and the lag is unbearable...most of DC is fed up, under-populated.....this won't end well.

EP also has Teargrants, so ya DC is doomed...

loki547 wrote: »

Tear your frags were consistently hitting me for 3730 last night...please tell me you trying out a Tinkerbell build or something

My frags are all Made in China. But my build has nothing to do w/ how much nirnhoned you wear. =\

I dunno. This past February I took a DC character I abandoned at launch, got it to 10, and spent 3 weeks in BWB, got to Sergeant and VR1, then did Cadwell's Silver and Gold to get to VR12 to be competitive in a campaign. Between constant computer problems, increased workload, and working on another neglected character I did no PvP for a while on my DC.

I've been trying to get back into PvP with my DC in the evenings a few times this week, knowing that learning to play a class in a vet campaign isn't the same as what worked in non-vet. But the times I have been able to get on Chilldrend haven't offered much chance for practice. At 6:30-7PM Eastern US time, a map with a decent amount of blue changes. AD takes some of its strongholds back then farms DC at Glade. EP swarms through capping most blue territory in the north and occasionally stops to farm outside of Glade as well.

Now, this isn't about telling people in those factions who log onto Chill what to do or not do, it's just a description of what has been happening the three nights I've been on this week, and it's like clockwork. Practicing PvP with my DC character in those conditions amounts to hurling ranged spells at a big blob of red or yellow and bolting away over and over, or, trying to more fully engage with a single target (knowing I will likely die but might learn/have fun) only to get swarmed by a dozen-plus enemy players 3-5 seconds later.

Blame certain builds/players. Blame game design/coding errors. Blame anything you want. This thread has lots of that, and, maybe corrections driven by ZOS and/or players will be coming eventually. But from just the point of view of a single player trying to enjoy PvP/support a weaker NA faction, the current situation seems to get old really fast. I'm not giving up, but, this is what it looks like from my PoV trying to "help out" with some of the problems listed in this thread.

(Again, no faction/player/guild hate here, when I do get some smaller fights you guys are awesome and I hope to get half as good as some of you!)

It's true that a lot of the remaining DC guilds don't follow the established meta of sticking their nose up crown's butt and having designated people spamming purges, barrier, vigor, steel tornado, etc.

But is that really what you want? That kind of gameplay is crap, and it's what is killing this game, as much as people want to blame it on 'lag' and other things. DC consistently forms smaller groups and spreads out, but it seems for EP it's ball up, zerg up, 100% of the time.

DC has been the underdog for a long time, and even though our large groups lose because we don't crown-stack as effectively, the average PUG outclasses any EP PUG, just by virtue of their experience being outmanned ALL THE TIME.

Telling DC to 'git gud' and 'man up' is not going to solve anything. We will always have less players, and therefore, less organized groups. Thornblade and Azuras have already died. Chillrend is the only server we pop-lock now, and even then it gets brigaded like it did last night by that 40+ AD zergball that was farming Glade Mine. Keep it classy, AD.

Threads pointing fingers at DC don't help anyone. DC needs more constructive help before the faction dies off completely. Unless EP actually likes PvDooring. I'm sure it would make the PvE'ers happy.

The witcher3 is pretty fun.

....and the meek shall inherit the earth

- Temples of Syrinx


DC will return.........