Guild vs Guild Tournament

vortexman11 · May 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

I take it all back. This whole thing seems more like an appendage measuring exercise than anything else.

Recreating what you already experience in Cyrodiil? Why?

Just so it's planned so you know to record it to post on these forums probably.

Because recently in Cyrodiil you only experience these nice 16 v 16 / 8 v 8 / 6 v 6 fights maybe....three times a week if you're lucky? Fights always end with the team who has more players eventually overwhelming due to their numbers, or the team with more siege winning. Some people might use it as an appendage measuring exercise, sure, but others just want to participate in or watch some good fights which are increasingly hard to find.

Crown · May 2015

@olemanwinter My intent was to repeat the 1% of the time where we get actual fair fights in Cyrodiil. For some it will be a learning exercise, and for most it will be a lot of fun. How often do you run in a 16 person group and fight another group of the same size without too many randoms or other groups who show up because they see swords on the map? For me, it's not often enough. We too often have people trailing us (or even asking when we're going) in the hopes to spam heals and collect some AP, or other organized groups show up about 2 minutes after seeing swords on the map.

@Xiphyla People can play whatever they want, with whatever gear they want. If the team of 8v8 that show up with 8 Templars who have all stacked 50k+ magic resist win, then goes to show you that something is not balanced and maybe the devs will consider the results in their future considerations for class balance.

Crown · May 2015

I've started the sign up thread at:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171956/gvg-tournament-sign-up-list

Kupoking · May 2015

Positive point: At least players puts efforts to create their own new content instead of waiting for ZoS.

Astien · May 2015

This is awesome. Thanks for organizing this, Crown. I'm on vacation till Tuesday but if you need any help setting this up let me know.

Araxleon · May 2015

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Positive point: At least players puts efforts to create their own new content instead of waiting for ZoS.

Its a bit tiresome sometimes x_x

Tripe · May 2015

I've read the rules for your tournament and had some suggestions.

Disclosing a location before the event is just asking for trouble. I'm not saying it will happen, but some people just love to ruin a good time. I'd also suggest you try to keep the play area secret and restricted only to participating parties. If by chance a hundred people decide to show up, it'll just add to confusion and potential problems i.e. lag, possible interference, locked campaign.

Although it can work, having the event take place out front of Nikel can only add to potential problems. Personally, I would try to stay away from any trafficked areas for the same reasons listed above.

Naming yourself as referee isn't a good idea in my opinion especially while being a participant. I can't think of any competition where the person making all of the rules, deciding play area, is also a participant and sole referee. It just isn't good etiquette, and can only lead to potential problems. I would try my best to find a neutral party, or one referee from each faction.

I'm no expert on these matters, it's possible these things will be non-issues. Good luck and have fun.

Winnamine · May 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Group size requirement is way too large for Aldmeri Vice, so we will be unable to participate, but if you ever do something like 8v8 let us know and we might be able to cobble together that many. (4v4 and 6v6 is more our style)

However, if Decibel or Tertiary puts together a team, some of our members might be available to pad out the groups (like the ones that are in both vice and DB/TM), etc.

Just cant do Vice alone, sadly =/

Siiiiince Vice and Deci seem to be sharing members for 6v6's

Rylana · May 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Group size requirement is way too large for Aldmeri Vice, so we will be unable to participate, but if you ever do something like 8v8 let us know and we might be able to cobble together that many. (4v4 and 6v6 is more our style)

However, if Decibel or Tertiary puts together a team, some of our members might be available to pad out the groups (like the ones that are in both vice and DB/TM), etc.

Just cant do Vice alone, sadly =/

Siiiiince Vice and Deci seem to be sharing members for 6v6's

Just that one time >=/

And you left

But like, Me Saphy Sisko Ayrene make a pretty solid four man, with sigmus and karliah thats our sixman in just vice, we dont really have anyone else that isnt a crossover already. (pretty sure Ayrene is, but he has been a core member for a while)

Leovolao · May 2015

"No gear restriction"

I'm out!!

Winnamine · May 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Group size requirement is way too large for Aldmeri Vice, so we will be unable to participate, but if you ever do something like 8v8 let us know and we might be able to cobble together that many. (4v4 and 6v6 is more our style)

However, if Decibel or Tertiary puts together a team, some of our members might be available to pad out the groups (like the ones that are in both vice and DB/TM), etc.

Just cant do Vice alone, sadly =/

Siiiiince Vice and Deci seem to be sharing members for 6v6's

Just that one time >=/

And you left

But like, Me Saphy Sisko Ayrene make a pretty solid four man, with sigmus and karliah thats our sixman in just vice, we dont really have anyone else that isnt a crossover already. (pretty sure Ayrene is, but he has been a core member for a while)

I needed the guild slot to help a friend

Reinv meh!

RadioheadSh0t · May 2015

Leovolao wrote: »

"No gear restriction"

I'm out!!

I feel you tea, when I switched my Sorc from DW to magicka, I finally saw what everyone was talking about with Nirn.

Someone in heavy with Nirn is essentially immune to magicka.

Rylana · May 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Group size requirement is way too large for Aldmeri Vice, so we will be unable to participate, but if you ever do something like 8v8 let us know and we might be able to cobble together that many. (4v4 and 6v6 is more our style)

However, if Decibel or Tertiary puts together a team, some of our members might be available to pad out the groups (like the ones that are in both vice and DB/TM), etc.

Just cant do Vice alone, sadly =/

Siiiiince Vice and Deci seem to be sharing members for 6v6's

Just that one time >=/

And you left

But like, Me Saphy Sisko Ayrene make a pretty solid four man, with sigmus and karliah thats our sixman in just vice, we dont really have anyone else that isnt a crossover already. (pretty sure Ayrene is, but he has been a core member for a while)

I needed the guild slot to help a friend
Reinv meh!

Next time im logged in I will, or see if Ayrene can if im not on.

JDar · May 2015

Sign up thread is open! Go sign up!!!

JDar · May 2015

How are you going to set up the brackets? Will there be a round robin group stage, a winners/losers bracket, or ncaa style? Will we be seeded accordingly or random matchups? Oh man I hope I get picked for the misfitz team. Sounds like this will be an all stamina affair tho

Docmandu · May 2015

Good idea but too structured imho. Just picking a group size and indicating a certain area to patrol would make it a bit more dynamic, ie. no pre-tuning to the other group's setup.

Guess DAoC tainted me too much.

WRX · May 2015

Yeah honestly without nirn restrictions I wouldn't expect to see myself entering a team. Might be fair, might not, but with the way magicka DPS is currently I will wait until nirn is fixed.

frozywozy · May 2015

I also don't think that anything under 12v12 is representative of group play. All you will see is everyone going pure two-handed / bow / dual wield focusing wrecking blow / snipe one target at a time abusing the low TTK broken mechanic.

cricripetitb16_ESO · May 2015

6v6 is duel which is not gvg
8v8 is duel which is not gvg

you got legend for that

this is GVG

10vs10
12vs12
MAX16v16

olemanwinter · May 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

I also don't think that anything under 12v12 is representative of group play. All you will see is everyone going pure two-handed / bow / dual wield focusing wrecking blow / snipe one target at a time abusing the low TTK broken mechanic.

Actually, I disagree. The lower the number of players the more you will see uber-tank "come at me bro" builds. Just like in those legend's duels.

The more players on the field, the more they can afford to have a few burst players dedicated to eliminating targets.

frozywozy · May 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I also don't think that anything under 12v12 is representative of group play. All you will see is everyone going pure two-handed / bow / dual wield focusing wrecking blow / snipe one target at a time abusing the low TTK broken mechanic.

Actually, I disagree. The lower the number of players the more you will see uber-tank "come at me bro" builds. Just like in those legend's duels.

The more players on the field, the more they can afford to have a few burst players dedicated to eliminating targets.

Like Sypher already said in some of his streaming, there is no point to spec into an uber tank because all it does is turtleing a fight but in the end if you don't kill anyone u're not going to win anything.

My point is : A guild tournament should be group play, not single target builds.

Xiphyla · May 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I also don't think that anything under 12v12 is representative of group play. All you will see is everyone going pure two-handed / bow / dual wield focusing wrecking blow / snipe one target at a time abusing the low TTK broken mechanic.

Actually, I disagree. The lower the number of players the more you will see uber-tank "come at me bro" builds. Just like in those legend's duels.

The more players on the field, the more they can afford to have a few burst players dedicated to eliminating targets.

Like Sypher already said in some of his streaming, there is no point to spec into an uber tank because all it does is turtleing a fight but in the end if you don't kill anyone u're not going to win anything.

My point is : A guild tournament should be group play, not single target builds.

A guild vs guild fight should be group play plus melee / range single target assist.

Xiphyla · May 2015

cricripetitb16_ESO wrote: »

6v6 is duel which is not gvg
8v8 is duel which is not gvg

you got legend for that

this is GVG

10vs10
12vs12
MAX16v16

Why can't 6v6 and 8v8 count for guild vs guild ? This thread is about guild vs guild.

ToRelax · May 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I also don't think that anything under 12v12 is representative of group play. All you will see is everyone going pure two-handed / bow / dual wield focusing wrecking blow / snipe one target at a time abusing the low TTK broken mechanic.

Actually, I disagree. The lower the number of players the more you will see uber-tank "come at me bro" builds. Just like in those legend's duels.

The more players on the field, the more they can afford to have a few burst players dedicated to eliminating targets.

Like Sypher already said in some of his streaming, there is no point to spec into an uber tank because all it does is turtleing a fight but in the end if you don't kill anyone u're not going to win anything.

My point is : A guild tournament should be group play, not single target builds.

So you think single target spells are not usable in group play?
I don't think I like that idea of group play...
I also understand why you don't want less then 12 players then.
Because you can't kill people instantly spamming nothing but AoE...

I don't care what Sypher says or thinks.
I know a tank can be incredibly useful.
At least in small to medium sized groups (8 or less).

And at last - what is the "low TTK broken mechanic" ?
It doesn't take long to kill someone if you manage to do so now, right.
And what is the broken mechanic?

Sanct16 · May 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I also don't think that anything under 12v12 is representative of group play. All you will see is everyone going pure two-handed / bow / dual wield focusing wrecking blow / snipe one target at a time abusing the low TTK broken mechanic.

Actually, I disagree. The lower the number of players the more you will see uber-tank "come at me bro" builds. Just like in those legend's duels.

The more players on the field, the more they can afford to have a few burst players dedicated to eliminating targets.

Like Sypher already said in some of his streaming, there is no point to spec into an uber tank because all it does is turtleing a fight but in the end if you don't kill anyone u're not going to win anything.

My point is : A guild tournament should be group play, not single target builds.

So you think single target spells are not usable in group play?
I don't think I like that idea of group play...
I also understand why you don't want less then 12 players then.
Because you can't kill people instantly spamming nothing but AoE...

I don't care what Sypher says or thinks.
I know a tank can be incredibly useful.
At least in small to medium sized groups (8 or less).

And at last - what is the "low TTK broken mechanic" ?
It doesn't take long to kill someone if you manage to do so now, right.
And what is the broken mechanic?

Against organized groups tanks are pretty useless as everyone will ignore the tank.

ToRelax · May 2015

Sanct16 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I also don't think that anything under 12v12 is representative of group play. All you will see is everyone going pure two-handed / bow / dual wield focusing wrecking blow / snipe one target at a time abusing the low TTK broken mechanic.

Actually, I disagree. The lower the number of players the more you will see uber-tank "come at me bro" builds. Just like in those legend's duels.

The more players on the field, the more they can afford to have a few burst players dedicated to eliminating targets.

Like Sypher already said in some of his streaming, there is no point to spec into an uber tank because all it does is turtleing a fight but in the end if you don't kill anyone u're not going to win anything.

My point is : A guild tournament should be group play, not single target builds.

So you think single target spells are not usable in group play?
I don't think I like that idea of group play...
I also understand why you don't want less then 12 players then.
Because you can't kill people instantly spamming nothing but AoE...

I don't care what Sypher says or thinks.
I know a tank can be incredibly useful.
At least in small to medium sized groups (8 or less).

And at last - what is the "low TTK broken mechanic" ?
It doesn't take long to kill someone if you manage to do so now, right.
And what is the broken mechanic?

Against organized groups tanks are pretty useless as everyone will ignore the tank.

You can talk all you want, it doesn't make it true.
If a tank uses cc, charges and interrupts every enemy who poses a threat, bat-rezzes his own fellows etc. he is extremely useful.

frozywozy · May 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I also don't think that anything under 12v12 is representative of group play. All you will see is everyone going pure two-handed / bow / dual wield focusing wrecking blow / snipe one target at a time abusing the low TTK broken mechanic.

Actually, I disagree. The lower the number of players the more you will see uber-tank "come at me bro" builds. Just like in those legend's duels.

The more players on the field, the more they can afford to have a few burst players dedicated to eliminating targets.

Like Sypher already said in some of his streaming, there is no point to spec into an uber tank because all it does is turtleing a fight but in the end if you don't kill anyone u're not going to win anything.

My point is : A guild tournament should be group play, not single target builds.

So you think single target spells are not usable in group play?
I don't think I like that idea of group play...
I also understand why you don't want less then 12 players then.
Because you can't kill people instantly spamming nothing but AoE...

I don't care what Sypher says or thinks.
I know a tank can be incredibly useful.
At least in small to medium sized groups (8 or less).

And at last - what is the "low TTK broken mechanic" ?
It doesn't take long to kill someone if you manage to do so now, right.
And what is the broken mechanic?

You guys changed my initial post of "I don't want everybody to spec into pure stamina nbs/dks focusing wrecking blow, snipe, surprise attacks, soul harvest on one target at a time" into "I don't think single abilities are useful".

I have never said that you could not use single target abilities or tanks or character spec to stealth assault someone. My worries were more about everybody being built for single target which is not representative at all of what large scale pvp is in reality. The reason why I think we should include 12vs12 and 16vs16. If 16players all spec in single target bursts, they will have a real hard time because aoe spells will wreck them before they can even kill more than a few players.

glak · May 2015

Sanct16 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I also don't think that anything under 12v12 is representative of group play. All you will see is everyone going pure two-handed / bow / dual wield focusing wrecking blow / snipe one target at a time abusing the low TTK broken mechanic.

Actually, I disagree. The lower the number of players the more you will see uber-tank "come at me bro" builds. Just like in those legend's duels.

The more players on the field, the more they can afford to have a few burst players dedicated to eliminating targets.

Like Sypher already said in some of his streaming, there is no point to spec into an uber tank because all it does is turtleing a fight but in the end if you don't kill anyone u're not going to win anything.

My point is : A guild tournament should be group play, not single target builds.

So you think single target spells are not usable in group play?
I don't think I like that idea of group play...
I also understand why you don't want less then 12 players then.
Because you can't kill people instantly spamming nothing but AoE...

I don't care what Sypher says or thinks.
I know a tank can be incredibly useful.
At least in small to medium sized groups (8 or less).

And at last - what is the "low TTK broken mechanic" ?
It doesn't take long to kill someone if you manage to do so now, right.
And what is the broken mechanic?

Against organized groups tanks are pretty useless as everyone will ignore the tank.

The new guard skill was an intent to change that.

RadioheadSh0t · May 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I also don't think that anything under 12v12 is representative of group play. All you will see is everyone going pure two-handed / bow / dual wield focusing wrecking blow / snipe one target at a time abusing the low TTK broken mechanic.

Actually, I disagree. The lower the number of players the more you will see uber-tank "come at me bro" builds. Just like in those legend's duels.

The more players on the field, the more they can afford to have a few burst players dedicated to eliminating targets.

Like Sypher already said in some of his streaming, there is no point to spec into an uber tank because all it does is turtleing a fight but in the end if you don't kill anyone u're not going to win anything.

My point is : A guild tournament should be group play, not single target builds.

So you think single target spells are not usable in group play?
I don't think I like that idea of group play...
I also understand why you don't want less then 12 players then.
Because you can't kill people instantly spamming nothing but AoE...

I don't care what Sypher says or thinks.
I know a tank can be incredibly useful.
At least in small to medium sized groups (8 or less).

And at last - what is the "low TTK broken mechanic" ?
It doesn't take long to kill someone if you manage to do so now, right.
And what is the broken mechanic?

Against organized groups tanks are pretty useless as everyone will ignore the tank.

You can talk all you want, it doesn't make it true.
If a tank uses cc, charges and interrupts every enemy who poses a threat, bat-rezzes his own fellows etc. he is extremely useful.

Tanks are pretty useless in large group play. Sure, against average players you can get them to focus you while your group mops them up, but most of the time being a tank in a group bigger than 6-8 means that you'll just be the last one to die. There are certain players who good groups just ignore; they can't kill anything, so why waste your time on something that isn't a threat.

ToRelax · May 2015

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I also don't think that anything under 12v12 is representative of group play. All you will see is everyone going pure two-handed / bow / dual wield focusing wrecking blow / snipe one target at a time abusing the low TTK broken mechanic.

Actually, I disagree. The lower the number of players the more you will see uber-tank "come at me bro" builds. Just like in those legend's duels.

The more players on the field, the more they can afford to have a few burst players dedicated to eliminating targets.

Like Sypher already said in some of his streaming, there is no point to spec into an uber tank because all it does is turtleing a fight but in the end if you don't kill anyone u're not going to win anything.

My point is : A guild tournament should be group play, not single target builds.

So you think single target spells are not usable in group play?
I don't think I like that idea of group play...
I also understand why you don't want less then 12 players then.
Because you can't kill people instantly spamming nothing but AoE...

I don't care what Sypher says or thinks.
I know a tank can be incredibly useful.
At least in small to medium sized groups (8 or less).

And at last - what is the "low TTK broken mechanic" ?
It doesn't take long to kill someone if you manage to do so now, right.
And what is the broken mechanic?

Against organized groups tanks are pretty useless as everyone will ignore the tank.

You can talk all you want, it doesn't make it true.
If a tank uses cc, charges and interrupts every enemy who poses a threat, bat-rezzes his own fellows etc. he is extremely useful.

Tanks are pretty useless in large group play. Sure, against average players you can get them to focus you while your group mops them up, but most of the time being a tank in a group bigger than 6-8 means that you'll just be the last one to die. There are certain players who good groups just ignore; they can't kill anything, so why waste your time on something that isn't a threat.

ToRelax wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I also don't think that anything under 12v12 is representative of group play. All you will see is everyone going pure two-handed / bow / dual wield focusing wrecking blow / snipe one target at a time abusing the low TTK broken mechanic.

Actually, I disagree. The lower the number of players the more you will see uber-tank "come at me bro" builds. Just like in those legend's duels.

The more players on the field, the more they can afford to have a few burst players dedicated to eliminating targets.

Like Sypher already said in some of his streaming, there is no point to spec into an uber tank because all it does is turtleing a fight but in the end if you don't kill anyone u're not going to win anything.

My point is : A guild tournament should be group play, not single target builds.

[...]

I don't care what Sypher says or thinks.
I know a tank can be incredibly useful.
At least in small to medium sized groups (8 or less).

[...]

So yeah, I agree...