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[POLL] : Show your support for Duels within your faction 1v1

  • Lionxoft
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    I love shooting synchronized siege weapons at dueling groups. Oh, the satisfaction of the ensuing whispers.
  • SIXR_sCaR
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    I love shooting synchronized siege weapons at dueling groups. Oh, the satisfaction of the ensuing whispers.

    :p lolllllllllllll
  • SHADOW2KK
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Lionxoft wrote: »
    I love shooting synchronized siege weapons at dueling groups. Oh, the satisfaction of the ensuing whispers.

    Lmao, can imagine hahaha, brilliant.

    Gave ya an awesome for that
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  • SIXR_sCaR
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Considering that when you die in PvP it's usually in a matter of seconds, I really don't see the utility of dueling in this game.

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  • Molsondry
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???

    I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL
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  • Valymer
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    It's OK, just let the game die with dignity.
  • jkemmery
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    I think it would be great practice and a great way to learn from your teammates.
  • Kildayen
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Yes! So I can troll every person in this thread who voted "no".
  • redeye_38rwb17_ESO
    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Yes, it just makes total sense imo. Very easy way to shut up the "erma gerd stop spamming meh duels" and foil the "Dueling Trolls" folk, is to have an option to turn dueling on or off. This would stop anyone being harrassed to duel that does not want to participate.

    Also as previously mentioned, (imo) it only opens up even more RP options for those that way inclined.

    Oh wow what a pain free solution eh?
    Edited by redeye_38rwb17_ESO on May 24, 2015 1:01AM
  • MornaBaine
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Aneima wrote: »
    Heromofo wrote: »
    No, I don't want to be hammered with requests for duels.

    Lol considering there would have to be a option to opt out of it i dont see why you would disagree.

    Probably because there is always a person in each and every online game that allows dueling once the duel is refused they still seem to /whisper and pester you and even after you say no thanks they will harass you. Even if ZOS added a on/off feature there will always be a person that will spam emotes /scared and follow you with with /bucket splash. Not to mention if you do decide to accept a duel and then lose they will most likely do /push-ups and /lol.

    I know that isn't something the majority of people would do but I also know that there are those that do those exact things even in arenas or dueling specific areas.

    You are speaking of player harassment here and there definitely are things ZOS can and should do to combat that. This is true regardless of whether or not they add dueling. None of us should be held hostage and denied content because of the bad behavior of other players that ZOS has the power to prevent in the first place.
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  • MornaBaine
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Sausage wrote: »
    I dont support, if they do duels, players learn too much of the game and start to whine nerfs/buffs. All it needs like 50 duel with your mates, and both classes's weaknesses and strenghts are found, then they come to the forum with details and tell Zen, why your game sucks.

    I'm trying to figure out why you feel that's a bad thing.
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  • SIXR_sCaR
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Kildayen wrote: »
    Yes! So I can troll every person in this thread who voted "no".

    dont do that :/
    smh lol
  • Tandor
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    NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)
    Molsondry wrote: »
    Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???

    I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL

    Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.

    It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.
  • SIXR_sCaR
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    world so big ,i dont think everyone will duel in 1 spot
    im going to mountains dueling everyone
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  • Ayantir
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Yes, but only in some special places. I don't want a duel front of queen Ayreen per exemple.

    Such an arena somewhere (so 3 arenas for 3 factions.)
    So one for non vets and the two others for veterans.

    And not in the 1rst and neither the 2nd one please. there already too many people here.

    When dueling, people couldn't receive any help for non dueling players. but don't do an instanced place.
    people should be able to see the duels.
    Maybe add invisible walls to do not interfer into the fight (avoid spectators send fake spells on the duelers).

    Duelers won't see any particules except from their opponent.
    If there is 2 duels in same arenas, they will see other guys, but not their spells.

    Duelers will recognize themselves with a big blue or orange marker, like when you have a scroll. Stealth will be possible of course.

    Add some tricks, like the spikes in DSA 1rst arena maybe.

    PS: For dominion, you already got the arena from a quest in the Khajit zone.
    Just add a phasing, if people doesn't did the quest, this one won't be available, once it's done, show whole people.

    For Covenant, Alk'r is pretty huge and there's a school of blade, maybe near this place. Plus the redguards are good fighters.
    For Pact, somewhere in Nordic zones.

    PS: Add training puppets in thoses places too
    PPS : Add a commentator like the one in DSA for the duelers, while in fight, with nice trolls from him, then you'll really want to kill your opponent.
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  • Kildayen
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    SIXR_sCaR wrote: »
    Kildayen wrote: »
    Yes! So I can troll every person in this thread who voted "no".

    dont do that :/
    smh lol

    ;) lol
  • Vizier
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Absolutely. How else are you going to "train" people within your guild. In faction Dueling would raise the bar for skill levels across the board IMO.
  • SlayerTheDragon
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    What is this "In your faction" BS? You should be allowed to duel anytime, anywhere, with any consenting player.
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  • Etaniel
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Tandor wrote: »
    Molsondry wrote: »
    Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???

    I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL

    Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.

    It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.

    @Tandor
    "lag in PvE" that is ridiculous, I don't see how adding duelling would create zergs and lag trains, so there is zero reason why this would add any more lag than there is currently.

    Some have said "I don't want to be harrassed by people who want to duel me and who call me chicken"
    My answer : toggle ability to see or not see the duel invites. And if you can't handle someone who spams whispers to you, you have nothing to do on the internet my friend. Also /ignore will instantly rid you of the problem.

    Another fact that people seem to forget, is that we all play on a megaserver. Not everyone is in the same zone. Guess what the server does? It places in the zone your guild mates, friends, and people who take part in the same kind of activity as you. Which is why, if you hate PvP so much and are only member of PvE guilds, there is a good chance you wouldn't even meet duellers..

    Balance issues? Just know that on the NA and on the EU servers there are already duelling guild (Legend in Na if i'm not mistaken and Arena in EU). People already duel the heck out of each other, and it's a good thing because it highlights the bugs and imbalances in the game. You won't see more posts than there already are, because the people who want to duel their faction already duel the opposing factions.

    If you think PvP imbalances influence PvE too much, it's true on both sides. Guess what major change happened because of PvE tanks whining? Ultimate generation. Ners and buffs are going to happen.

    The only semi valid argument you have is the diversion of developer resources from "more important issues", because we all want this game to be fixed before adding new content.
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  • Tandor
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    NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)
    Etaniel wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Molsondry wrote: »
    Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???

    I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL

    Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.

    It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.

    @Tandor
    "lag in PvE" that is ridiculous, I don't see how adding duelling would create zergs and lag trains, so there is zero reason why this would add any more lag than there is currently.

    Some have said "I don't want to be harrassed by people who want to duel me and who call me chicken"
    My answer : toggle ability to see or not see the duel invites. And if you can't handle someone who spams whispers to you, you have nothing to do on the internet my friend. Also /ignore will instantly rid you of the problem.

    Another fact that people seem to forget, is that we all play on a megaserver. Not everyone is in the same zone. Guess what the server does? It places in the zone your guild mates, friends, and people who take part in the same kind of activity as you. Which is why, if you hate PvP so much and are only member of PvE guilds, there is a good chance you wouldn't even meet duellers..

    Balance issues? Just know that on the NA and on the EU servers there are already duelling guild (Legend in Na if i'm not mistaken and Arena in EU). People already duel the heck out of each other, and it's a good thing because it highlights the bugs and imbalances in the game. You won't see more posts than there already are, because the people who want to duel their faction already duel the opposing factions.

    If you think PvP imbalances influence PvE too much, it's true on both sides. Guess what major change happened because of PvE tanks whining? Ultimate generation. Ners and buffs are going to happen.

    The only semi valid argument you have is the diversion of developer resources from "more important issues", because we all want this game to be fixed before adding new content.

    I wasn't raising those points as mine, although I agree with some of them. I was countering the accusation that people who vote against duelling are selfish with no thoughts for anyone but themselves. I made the point that those people have raised a number of perfectly valid reasons for voting against duelling, whether others agree with them or not. They are entitled to hold those views and vote accordingly, and to do so is not remotely selfish any more than to vote for duelling is selfish because it fails to take account of the views of those who oppose it.
  • Yasha
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Tandor wrote: »
    Etaniel wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Molsondry wrote: »
    Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???

    I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL

    Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.

    It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.

    @Tandor
    "lag in PvE" that is ridiculous, I don't see how adding duelling would create zergs and lag trains, so there is zero reason why this would add any more lag than there is currently.

    Some have said "I don't want to be harrassed by people who want to duel me and who call me chicken"
    My answer : toggle ability to see or not see the duel invites. And if you can't handle someone who spams whispers to you, you have nothing to do on the internet my friend. Also /ignore will instantly rid you of the problem.

    Another fact that people seem to forget, is that we all play on a megaserver. Not everyone is in the same zone. Guess what the server does? It places in the zone your guild mates, friends, and people who take part in the same kind of activity as you. Which is why, if you hate PvP so much and are only member of PvE guilds, there is a good chance you wouldn't even meet duellers..

    Balance issues? Just know that on the NA and on the EU servers there are already duelling guild (Legend in Na if i'm not mistaken and Arena in EU). People already duel the heck out of each other, and it's a good thing because it highlights the bugs and imbalances in the game. You won't see more posts than there already are, because the people who want to duel their faction already duel the opposing factions.

    If you think PvP imbalances influence PvE too much, it's true on both sides. Guess what major change happened because of PvE tanks whining? Ultimate generation. Ners and buffs are going to happen.

    The only semi valid argument you have is the diversion of developer resources from "more important issues", because we all want this game to be fixed before adding new content.

    I wasn't raising those points as mine, although I agree with some of them. I was countering the accusation that people who vote against duelling are selfish with no thoughts for anyone but themselves. I made the point that those people have raised a number of perfectly valid reasons for voting against duelling, whether others agree with them or not. They are entitled to hold those views and vote accordingly, and to do so is not remotely selfish any more than to vote for duelling is selfish because it fails to take account of the views of those who oppose it.

    The main reason presented by people against duels is not wanting to be harassed everywhere to participate in a duel. Solutions to get around that issue have been repeatedly posted, but it doesn't seem to sway their opinion. Similarly solutions or compromise on a few of the other sticking points such as potential lag in pve have been discussed. And again no one seems to change their stance.

    This suggests to me that many of the people voting "no" are just being obstructionist for the sake of it. And that is not cool imo. Look, this is a feature that would greatly aid players who love pvp and if there is some way to implement it without adversely impacting gameplay for you I would encourage you to change your stance and support it, or at least not to obstruct it.
  • HoAxZoR
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    I voted Yes.

    I remember playing LOTRO and having the option to request a "Spar" with anyone was a really great feature. I used it very little but when I did spar I enjoyed it.

    It will give use DPS testing without needing to put target dummies in the game. It should only be allowed outside of Cyrodiil and of course not damage gear or get ap/xp for it.
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  • Tandor
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    NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)
    Yasha wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Etaniel wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Molsondry wrote: »
    Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???

    I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL

    Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.

    It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.

    @Tandor
    "lag in PvE" that is ridiculous, I don't see how adding duelling would create zergs and lag trains, so there is zero reason why this would add any more lag than there is currently.

    Some have said "I don't want to be harrassed by people who want to duel me and who call me chicken"
    My answer : toggle ability to see or not see the duel invites. And if you can't handle someone who spams whispers to you, you have nothing to do on the internet my friend. Also /ignore will instantly rid you of the problem.

    Another fact that people seem to forget, is that we all play on a megaserver. Not everyone is in the same zone. Guess what the server does? It places in the zone your guild mates, friends, and people who take part in the same kind of activity as you. Which is why, if you hate PvP so much and are only member of PvE guilds, there is a good chance you wouldn't even meet duellers..

    Balance issues? Just know that on the NA and on the EU servers there are already duelling guild (Legend in Na if i'm not mistaken and Arena in EU). People already duel the heck out of each other, and it's a good thing because it highlights the bugs and imbalances in the game. You won't see more posts than there already are, because the people who want to duel their faction already duel the opposing factions.

    If you think PvP imbalances influence PvE too much, it's true on both sides. Guess what major change happened because of PvE tanks whining? Ultimate generation. Ners and buffs are going to happen.

    The only semi valid argument you have is the diversion of developer resources from "more important issues", because we all want this game to be fixed before adding new content.

    I wasn't raising those points as mine, although I agree with some of them. I was countering the accusation that people who vote against duelling are selfish with no thoughts for anyone but themselves. I made the point that those people have raised a number of perfectly valid reasons for voting against duelling, whether others agree with them or not. They are entitled to hold those views and vote accordingly, and to do so is not remotely selfish any more than to vote for duelling is selfish because it fails to take account of the views of those who oppose it.

    The main reason presented by people against duels is not wanting to be harassed everywhere to participate in a duel. Solutions to get around that issue have been repeatedly posted, but it doesn't seem to sway their opinion. Similarly solutions or compromise on a few of the other sticking points such as potential lag in pve have been discussed. And again no one seems to change their stance.

    This suggests to me that many of the people voting "no" are just being obstructionist for the sake of it. And that is not cool imo. Look, this is a feature that would greatly aid players who love pvp and if there is some way to implement it without adversely impacting gameplay for you I would encourage you to change your stance and support it, or at least not to obstruct it.

    The only solution to harrassment offered that I can recall is to have an auto-decline feature, but Aneima explains in post #85 why that doesn't always provide a sufficient answer.

    People are entitled to their point of view regardless of which side of the fence they're on. If you're going to complain that the "no" voters are only thinking of themselves and haven't changed their position to reflect the opposite arguments then please confirm how many "yes" voters are thinking of others and have changed their position?

    PvP always causes friction between PvPers and PvEers, and that's why it is best kept in separate PvP areas. Both sets of players hold very strong views on it and are unlikely to change them, but that doesn't mean that only one side is entitled to hold those views and express them when asked a simple question like "Do you support duels". When some PvPers attack not only the argument but also the character of the PvEers (e.g "you're selfish") then it only reinforces the PvEers' view that they want nothing to do with PvP in any form.

    It isn't a question of being obstructive, it's a case of some opposing duelling for what to them are very good reasons, just as others support it for what are to them very good reasons.
    Edited by Tandor on May 26, 2015 1:55PM
  • Slurg
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    Sounds like a fine idea, but this may be better implemented in designated training areas on the map outside population and quest areas, where people can go if they wish to participate without interfering with other activities or accidentally becoming a criminal. Also if we ever get guild halls this would be a great feature to add there.

    Also defaulting to off with a toggle on for people who want to make themselves available to duel would be best for those who don't want to receive unwelcome invitations to duel.
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  • Yasha
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Tandor wrote: »
    Yasha wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Etaniel wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Molsondry wrote: »
    Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???

    I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL

    Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.

    It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.

    @Tandor
    "lag in PvE" that is ridiculous, I don't see how adding duelling would create zergs and lag trains, so there is zero reason why this would add any more lag than there is currently.

    Some have said "I don't want to be harrassed by people who want to duel me and who call me chicken"
    My answer : toggle ability to see or not see the duel invites. And if you can't handle someone who spams whispers to you, you have nothing to do on the internet my friend. Also /ignore will instantly rid you of the problem.

    Another fact that people seem to forget, is that we all play on a megaserver. Not everyone is in the same zone. Guess what the server does? It places in the zone your guild mates, friends, and people who take part in the same kind of activity as you. Which is why, if you hate PvP so much and are only member of PvE guilds, there is a good chance you wouldn't even meet duellers..

    Balance issues? Just know that on the NA and on the EU servers there are already duelling guild (Legend in Na if i'm not mistaken and Arena in EU). People already duel the heck out of each other, and it's a good thing because it highlights the bugs and imbalances in the game. You won't see more posts than there already are, because the people who want to duel their faction already duel the opposing factions.

    If you think PvP imbalances influence PvE too much, it's true on both sides. Guess what major change happened because of PvE tanks whining? Ultimate generation. Ners and buffs are going to happen.

    The only semi valid argument you have is the diversion of developer resources from "more important issues", because we all want this game to be fixed before adding new content.

    I wasn't raising those points as mine, although I agree with some of them. I was countering the accusation that people who vote against duelling are selfish with no thoughts for anyone but themselves. I made the point that those people have raised a number of perfectly valid reasons for voting against duelling, whether others agree with them or not. They are entitled to hold those views and vote accordingly, and to do so is not remotely selfish any more than to vote for duelling is selfish because it fails to take account of the views of those who oppose it.

    The main reason presented by people against duels is not wanting to be harassed everywhere to participate in a duel. Solutions to get around that issue have been repeatedly posted, but it doesn't seem to sway their opinion. Similarly solutions or compromise on a few of the other sticking points such as potential lag in pve have been discussed. And again no one seems to change their stance.

    This suggests to me that many of the people voting "no" are just being obstructionist for the sake of it. And that is not cool imo. Look, this is a feature that would greatly aid players who love pvp and if there is some way to implement it without adversely impacting gameplay for you I would encourage you to change your stance and support it, or at least not to obstruct it.

    The only solution to harrassment offered that I can recall is to have an auto-decline feature, but Aneima explains in post #85 why that doesn't always provide a sufficient answer.

    People are entitled to their point of view regardless of which side of the fence they're on. If you're going to complain that the "no" voters are only thinking of themselves and haven't changed their position to reflect the opposite arguments then please confirm how many "yes" voters are thinking of others and have changed their position?

    PvP always causes friction between PvPers and PvEers, and that's why it is best kept in separate PvP areas. Both sets of players hold very strong views on it and are unlikely to change them, but that doesn't mean that only one side is entitled to hold those views and express them when asked a simple question like "Do you support duels". When some PvPers attack not only the argument but also the character of the PvEers (e.g "you're selfish") then it only reinforces the PvEers' view that they want nothing to do with PvP in any form.

    There have been several suggestions of how to implement duelling without causing a problem for people that do not like it. One which would completely eliminate the issue is to have duels only occur in certain places- like a training ground in Cyrodiil for example.

    As shown in this thread, at least some of the people that want duels have listened to the other side and have suggested compromises that while not exactly what they might have originally wanted, will still allow them to duel while also ensuring it does not impact the game experience of other members of the community.

    So now that you have been given a clear example of a way to implement duels without it having to impact your gameplay and also been shown how people on the other side are actually trying to think of ways to be inclusive and cater for other members of the community, what do you think?
    Edited by Yasha on May 26, 2015 2:19PM
  • Tandor
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    NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)
    Yasha wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Yasha wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Etaniel wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Molsondry wrote: »
    Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???

    I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL

    Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.

    It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.

    @Tandor
    "lag in PvE" that is ridiculous, I don't see how adding duelling would create zergs and lag trains, so there is zero reason why this would add any more lag than there is currently.

    Some have said "I don't want to be harrassed by people who want to duel me and who call me chicken"
    My answer : toggle ability to see or not see the duel invites. And if you can't handle someone who spams whispers to you, you have nothing to do on the internet my friend. Also /ignore will instantly rid you of the problem.

    Another fact that people seem to forget, is that we all play on a megaserver. Not everyone is in the same zone. Guess what the server does? It places in the zone your guild mates, friends, and people who take part in the same kind of activity as you. Which is why, if you hate PvP so much and are only member of PvE guilds, there is a good chance you wouldn't even meet duellers..

    Balance issues? Just know that on the NA and on the EU servers there are already duelling guild (Legend in Na if i'm not mistaken and Arena in EU). People already duel the heck out of each other, and it's a good thing because it highlights the bugs and imbalances in the game. You won't see more posts than there already are, because the people who want to duel their faction already duel the opposing factions.

    If you think PvP imbalances influence PvE too much, it's true on both sides. Guess what major change happened because of PvE tanks whining? Ultimate generation. Ners and buffs are going to happen.

    The only semi valid argument you have is the diversion of developer resources from "more important issues", because we all want this game to be fixed before adding new content.

    I wasn't raising those points as mine, although I agree with some of them. I was countering the accusation that people who vote against duelling are selfish with no thoughts for anyone but themselves. I made the point that those people have raised a number of perfectly valid reasons for voting against duelling, whether others agree with them or not. They are entitled to hold those views and vote accordingly, and to do so is not remotely selfish any more than to vote for duelling is selfish because it fails to take account of the views of those who oppose it.

    The main reason presented by people against duels is not wanting to be harassed everywhere to participate in a duel. Solutions to get around that issue have been repeatedly posted, but it doesn't seem to sway their opinion. Similarly solutions or compromise on a few of the other sticking points such as potential lag in pve have been discussed. And again no one seems to change their stance.

    This suggests to me that many of the people voting "no" are just being obstructionist for the sake of it. And that is not cool imo. Look, this is a feature that would greatly aid players who love pvp and if there is some way to implement it without adversely impacting gameplay for you I would encourage you to change your stance and support it, or at least not to obstruct it.

    The only solution to harrassment offered that I can recall is to have an auto-decline feature, but Aneima explains in post #85 why that doesn't always provide a sufficient answer.

    People are entitled to their point of view regardless of which side of the fence they're on. If you're going to complain that the "no" voters are only thinking of themselves and haven't changed their position to reflect the opposite arguments then please confirm how many "yes" voters are thinking of others and have changed their position?

    PvP always causes friction between PvPers and PvEers, and that's why it is best kept in separate PvP areas. Both sets of players hold very strong views on it and are unlikely to change them, but that doesn't mean that only one side is entitled to hold those views and express them when asked a simple question like "Do you support duels". When some PvPers attack not only the argument but also the character of the PvEers (e.g "you're selfish") then it only reinforces the PvEers' view that they want nothing to do with PvP in any form.

    There have been several suggestions of how to implement duelling without causing a problem for people that do not like it. One which would completely eliminate the issue is to have duels only occur in certain places- like a training ground in Cyrodiil for example.

    As shown in this thread, at least some of the people that want duels have listened to the other side and have suggested compromises that while not exactly what they might have originally wanted, will still allow them to duel while also ensuring it does not impact the game experience of other members of the community.

    So now that you have been given a clear example of a way to implement duels without it having to impact your gameplay and also been shown how people on the other side are actually trying to think of ways to be inclusive and cater for other members of the community, what do you think?

    My position is clear in post #47 on page 1.

    All I've been doing lately is defending those who have given good reasons for holding their views - whether I agree with them or not - against those who accuse them of being selfish or obstructive because they happen to hold a different view to those making the accusations.

    Bear in mind also, of course, that people are asked to vote on the proposition outlined in the original post, not in the light of any subsequent discussion.
    Edited by Tandor on May 26, 2015 3:05PM
  • Milktray
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    NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)
    SIXR_sCaR wrote: »
    duels makes new friends :)

    duels make pita drive by sends of 'x wants to duel' who then constantly send requests when denied or run after you annoying you.
    ZoS please understand everyone thinks and pronounces things differently, so please add to your 'rules' that things get removed if the Mod doesn't actually quite understand phrasing
  • SIXR_sCaR
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    YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)
    Milktray wrote: »
    SIXR_sCaR wrote: »
    duels makes new friends :)

    duels make pita drive by sends of 'x wants to duel' who then constantly send requests when denied or run after you annoying you.

    i never ever had someone chase me lol
  • Davadin
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    NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)
    SIXR_sCaR wrote: »
    Davadin wrote: »
    love pvp but ive seen how duels in other mmo ruined the community....

    so no.


    it changes the players from a healthy mix of adventurers and min-maxers, to 99% hardcore min-maxers. then everything becomes a numbers game. And the e-peen mentality... oh god....

    MAYBE, just maybe, if by default it's turned off. And it's limited to small spaces only. Like the Arena idea, wherever that went...

    But otherwise, big fat NO from me.

    which game community has ruined because of duels ,i want to know that :o

    LOTRO.

    just 1 example.
    August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
    Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
    Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
    March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber
  • Davadin
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    NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)
    Just FYI, I would vote YES on Arena.

    But duel?

    Freeform, open-world, anytime anywhere, "fight me now" button?


    No.
    August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
    Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
    Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
    March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber
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