mtwiggz wrote: »

Anyways, I do however believe ALL items in games should be trade-able. You get an Undaunted light helmet, someone else has the same helmet in heavy, what's the issue with you two trading? Same goes for everything, other than items that have already been equip of course.

If people are quitting the game because they can't get the items they want, so be it. Games are meant to be enjoyable, it's not about having the best of everything, it's about having fun. Something much of the gaming community has forgotten in the past years.

I never understood how so many items could be bound to their people in the first place. I mean WHO THE HOLY BLANK casts a spell on an item that makes it attach itself to a person in the first place and where do I hunt them down and kill them? As far as I'm concerned, bound items are cursed items!

The biggest problem is that there's nothing of value to be found anyway. You can complete all content just fine with crafted gear, which is often even superior.

If they really wanted to make crafting the definitive way to acquire gear, they should have at least made it so certain crafting ingredients are only available from (endgame) content. Style materials should only drop from enemies of that race, legendary boosters should only drop from bosses, crafting stations placed in the boss room of difficult dungeons, etc. Funnel everything back to crafting if you must, but keep the ingredients behind a playwall. If players are unable or unwilling to do that content, they can buy their mats.

RNG makes sure people dont get them too easily, if they get them too easily, they start to whine new gears, because everyone has same stuff as they have, and Zen is forced to release new set of gears multiple times per year and that causes all kind of problems. Also ESO system promotes trading and sociality.

Faulgor wrote: »

The biggest problem is that there's nothing of value to be found anyway. You can complete all content just fine with crafted gear, which is often even superior.

If they really wanted to make crafting the definitive way to acquire gear, they should have at least made it so certain crafting ingredients are only available from (endgame) content. Style materials should only drop from enemies of that race, legendary boosters should only drop from bosses, crafting stations placed in the boss room of difficult dungeons, etc. Funnel everything back to crafting if you must, but keep the ingredients behind a playwall. If players are unable or unwilling to do that content, they can buy their mats.

Wait, what?!

You are suggesting that a section of the crafting system should be contingent on Endgame combat-focussed content. Am I reading this right? If they are unwilling or unable to take part in endgame content they should be forced to buy their mats, the money for which will either require them to do more combat-focussed content... or to somehow work out a way to make vast amounts of money through crafting itself, a trick that very few crafters have actually managed.

One of the crowning glories of the crafting system at the moment is that there is a way to master and produce masterwork items that does not require continuously resorting to combat:

1) Collect the materials for your craft (by wandering/sneaking past mobs if need be).
2) Collect enough Skyshards to level those skills. (see above)
3) Collect items to teach you traits from chests.
4) Collect trait stones from containers (with or without stealing)
5) Refine mats to give you upgrade items.
6) CRAFT

It isn't pretty but it can be done. Nobody asks crafters to provide white items. They can get better than those in drops. Green is the lowest request I get for orders, usually blue or purple... and you want to make it harder for crafters to get these materials?

No. Please, by the Lady of Dusk and Dawn. No.

Iluvrien wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

The biggest problem is that there's nothing of value to be found anyway. You can complete all content just fine with crafted gear, which is often even superior.

If they really wanted to make crafting the definitive way to acquire gear, they should have at least made it so certain crafting ingredients are only available from (endgame) content. Style materials should only drop from enemies of that race, legendary boosters should only drop from bosses, crafting stations placed in the boss room of difficult dungeons, etc. Funnel everything back to crafting if you must, but keep the ingredients behind a playwall. If players are unable or unwilling to do that content, they can buy their mats.

Wait, what?!

You are suggesting that a section of the crafting system should be contingent on Endgame combat-focussed content. Am I reading this right?

Yes.

As a healer, I have 3 Master's bows, a few Master's Destro Staffs, and a few others. Still no Master's Resto staff from either PvP or DSA rewards. Guess what? 2/3 of those bows are sharpened.
I have 3 Maulbeth's helms, no shoulders, all with the Sturdy trait.
I have 2 Maw of the Infernal Helms, and 5 shoulders for the set.
I have 2 Mephala's Helms and 1 shoulder - 1 sturdy, 1 Well-Fitted, the other Infused.
I have 2 Nirien'eth's Pauldrons, still no helm.
I have 1 Valkyn Skoria helm (despite doing it once a day for almost a month), and 1 Valkyn shoulder (both Well-Fitted).
The only Engine Guardian helm I have received was V1, still no shoulders.
I have 1 Bloodspawn shoulders, no helm.
I have never looted a piece of the Lich set, despite a solid week of large-group Dolmen farming.

This game has some serious RNG issues. Whatever factor they tied RNG to, they did it poorly.

Faulgor wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

The biggest problem is that there's nothing of value to be found anyway. You can complete all content just fine with crafted gear, which is often even superior.

If they really wanted to make crafting the definitive way to acquire gear, they should have at least made it so certain crafting ingredients are only available from (endgame) content. Style materials should only drop from enemies of that race, legendary boosters should only drop from bosses, crafting stations placed in the boss room of difficult dungeons, etc. Funnel everything back to crafting if you must, but keep the ingredients behind a playwall. If players are unable or unwilling to do that content, they can buy their mats.

Wait, what?!

You are suggesting that a section of the crafting system should be contingent on Endgame combat-focussed content. Am I reading this right?

Yes.

I see. Then I have little else I can add to my earlier post except possibly clarity and brevity:

No. This idea sucks.

Worst loot system in mmo history? This is not a claim you can make if you have clearly never played a Korean mmorpg.

Have we already forgotten how loot works in those games? How you can clear every boss in a tough dungeon and not a single item dropped for anyone from those bosses? That's right - nothing. Not even vendor trash. Why? Gambling is something they just love over there, from the lockbox nonsense we deal with in f2p games to the enchanting system their games all have to gambling if the bosses will even drop anything at all.

Worse loot system in mmo history...lawls. In YOUR personal playing history, maybe.

Dixa wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I think he is more upset that his friend got his weapon on his first clear. After all, a dsa clear guarantees a set bonus or master weapon. Most MMO don't guarantee you will get a thing. Usually only 1/4 the party gets anything. Here we all win.

I am pissed I've been completing DSA almost every day for the past three months and am just as close to getting the weapon I actually need as was the first time I cleared that content. I am sorry I expect the game to be at least a little bit fair? I mean, surely you don't think loot drop should be defined only by luck, do you? There should be some sort of chance increase if you completed the same content over 60 times, or am I wrong here?

And here we don't all win at all? You are not guaranteed a Master weapon upon completing DSA. On the run my friends got the weapon I need, I got two useless greens and a soul gem. It felt super rewarding.

I hate to break it to you, but a fully random system is a truly "fair" way of doing things.

token systems? rewards those with more time to play than others. in any game where relative power comes from loot and especially in a game where pve items are used in pvp - this is an unfair system.

guaranteed drops? quick rewards do not incentivize long-term playing. see: guild wars 2.

there is no system where this kind of thread would not be made about it.

Separating PvP and PvE Itemization or Battle Leveling. Token->XP conversion mystic (Long term replayability solution)
In regards to the PvP comment, there's quite a bit of interest from the pvp community to have a vet campaign VR1+ that utilizes the non-vet rulesets/stat leveling. The utilization of PvE gear in a PvP environment is in my opinion asking for a balance disaster which is pretty much what we have seen with the 1.6+ time to kill. A good sorc can essentially set up a full health nuke from range or a NB set up an instant kill rotation. Those are just some common examples but I do play all of the classes and each has their benefits but those seem to have the best burst in my personal experience. PvP isn't as fun when it's a quick kill or be killed scenario.

With all that said I think that introducing a PvP statistic such as toughness/expertise/resilience or setting the battle leveling would allow for a token system to be implemented for both PvP and PvE content. Once a player has all the BIS gear then they can take their tokens to a mystic and convert it to XP for champ system progression to ensure long term player participation. You could even cap the mystic "transactions" per week if you needed to but I really don't think you would since grinding is still to this day the best method of earning Champion System progression.

Luck System
Another method that could work to enhance the current system instead of a token system would be to implement a luck value. Where your luck starts at a reasonable value but as you progress through end game content without a "Rare" drop then that luck value increases essentially increasing your chance at a moderate rate in order to receive a rare drop. Ultra rare drops could be implemented at the same time however those could be immune to the luck system roll. Players should NEVER go on dry spells where they get green items only. That's absolutely absurd and should have been fixed before the game launched. We have for sure been clamoring to have it resolved since then but to no avail.

A boss should never be dropping voidsteel daggers or jewelry that has no set bonuses lol. More than a year later and I'm not certain why this is still a thing.

This game has become b2p and hence ZOS has no incentive at all to change to tokens or make rng fair in any way. But I am convinced we have a real chance of getting some sort of "Morph"-consumable in the crown store soon for 500 to 1.000 crowns to morph your master weapons etc. to the right one or change trait etc.

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

wholt200ub17_ESO wrote: »

If people are quitting the game because they can't get the items they want, so be it. Games are meant to be enjoyable, it's not about having the best of everything, it's about having fun. Something much of the gaming community has forgotten in the past years.

I have fun when my effort towards a desired goal is rewarded.

RNG loot drops DO NOT do that.

And in fact they do not in any way guarantee replayability, because I may - randomly - get exactly what I want on my first run through.

With a "token" system if I know I need to do 10 runs to get X gear then that is ten guaranteed runs. If then I can upgrade X by completing another 20 runs that's more replayability.

With RNG the tendency is to have the chance of me getting the loot I want so low that instead of guaranteeing replayability it guarantees frustration.

I play MMORPGS to wash away frustration, not to add to it.

All The Best

The problem I have with token-based systems is that it's pretty much the definition of a themepark. You repeat the same thing over and over again until you have enough to put into the slot machine and get what you want. Afterwards the content is never re-run because you got everything you want and token-bought items are usually bind on pickup, so you can't even sell your surplus.
RNG on the other hand is the mechanic of a sandbox. You can maximize your chance for loot in several ways that are not dictated by the game, such as grouping with friends, optimizing your build for a specific enemy, doing something else to earn the gold and buy what you need on the market, etc. pp. It's much more dynamic and immersive than an NPC-shaped slot machine.

ESO's problem is that it combines RNG with bind on pickup, which is stupid.

I was going to start a whole thread about my issue then I found this one.

I have run the vet pledge everyday for months now and I have not gotten a single monster helm drop. NOT ONE HELMET! If I had at least gotten one I didn't want I wouldn't complain but not one really?!?! My guildmate's wife has run two(2) just two vet dungeon in her life and guess what, she not only got a helm drop, but THE EXACT helm she wants. Now I've seen the helm I wanted drop in my groups and of course the guys who got them already had them 4 times over and didn't need or want it and promptly DCed it for the mats.

For the love of Pete put in a system where by group members can trade brand new bound items among themselves. Or better yet make the helms and master weapons BoE.

Speaking of the lackluster master weapons. Why the hell do they use a charge EVERYTIME they are used, even though the enchantment only affects ONE ability? The other MAJOR issue is they are completely discharged with 30 uses? I can use a crafted weapon without the extra charges trait and run DSA twice without needing to use a soulgem, but the so called master weapon needs to be recharged damn near every round of DSA.